theoctopus: To prove motive in court, all you need do is show an event prior to the act that proves the offender had a reason to do what he did. That is all you need to do. A jury for example does not need to go searching wikipedia like you to understand these rudiments. You are clueless.

Mr Aboki:

Yeah!!

So how can you prove that his intent was to KILL and no to just Beat him to a pulp?!



You are thick..

theoctopus: To prove motive in court, all you need do is show an event prior to the act that proves the offender had a reason to do what he did. That is all you need to do. A jury for example does not need to go searching wikipedia like you to understand these rudiments. You are clueless. You guys are even helping to provide that motive with your claim that Chinda attacked him earlier. He has also helped to provide motive by claiming he was attacked and ended up in the hospital before he came back to the chamber to attack Chinda. That is why I found it funny when some of you kept claiming he was attacked first. what you didnt realise is that you were all providing a proof of motive

dirifred: what a dumb question, are you ok at all?

theoctopus:

You dont need to prove his intent was to kill. Go back and read my posts again. The next thing you have to prove is that the act was capable of causing death. Please stick to your day job. You are clueless

Mr Aboki:



Now this is just down right stupiid..

All we have to prove is that the act is capable of causing death?! I'm sorry hommie, but you are a slowpoke with regards to Legal matters. No disrespect meant here, just stating a pure fact!

Now!! based on your comment;

1. A slap is capable of causing death. A knock on the head is capable of causing death. A punch is capable of causing death. Giving groundnuts to a person allergic to groundnut can cause death. Shiiiiit! My Aunty died in the middle of a verbal quarrel with a person from Hypertension (Meaning shouting at a person with High B can cause their death).

SO!!! Two young men full of testosterone that were fighting and in the process, one punches the other in the head which then causes death.. Can we comfortably charge him with MURDER?


hahahahahaaaa.. Dude you need to stop! You are embarassing yourself.

enigmang:

Off course manslaughter !!

Mr Aboki:

Now this is just down right stupiid..

All we have to prove is that the act is capable of causing death?! I'm sorry hommie, but you are a slowpoke with regards to Legal matters. No disrespect meant here, just stating a pure fact!

Now!! based on your comment;

1. A slap is capable of causing death. A knock on the head is capable of causing death. A punch is capable of causing death. Giving groundnuts to a person allergic to groundnut can cause death. Shiiiiit! My Aunty died in the middle of a verbal quarrel with a person from Hypertension (Meaning shouting at a person with High B can cause their death).

SO!!! Two young men full of testosterone that were fighting and in the process, one punches the other in the head which then causes death.. Can we comfortably charge him with MURDER?


hahahahahaaaa.. Dude you need to stop! You are embarassing yourself.

dejust: Believe it or not Chidi Lloyd's political career is hanging on balance and believe me he is disappearing from political reliance.

theoctopus:

Though is sounds silly to respond to the above, I will still respond for record purposes. A slap is not capable of causing death. Neither is a punch capable of causing death except you can prove the person was hit in a very dangerous place like his private part or if the attacker is a trained professional like a black belt holder or a trained combatant! A mace is capable of causing death. You are sounding more silly with every post. Leave it alone. I am even helping to break it down for you, that is why you notice I have not been using legal terms. I want people reading it to be able to follow.

theoctopus: How ignorant can you get. Because a newspaper used that as their article title, does that mean the cause of death was the slap? You are just getting more ridiculous with every post. seriously dud? Do you even understand why autopsies are conducted? jeez!

theoctopus:

Please read again if you missed it before!

Neither is a punch capable of causing death except you can prove the person was hit in a very dangerous place like his private part or if the attacker is a trained professional like a black belt holder or a trained combatant!

theoctopus:

Though is sounds silly to respond to the above, I will still respond for record purposes. A slap is not capable of causing death. Neither is a punch capable of causing death except you can prove the person was hit in a very dangerous place like his private part or if the attacker is a trained professional like a black belt holder or a trained combatant! A mace is capable of causing death. You are sounding more silly with every post. Leave it alone. I am even helping to break it down for you, that is why you notice I have not been using legal terms. I want people reading it to be able to follow.

Family of Utah soccer referee who died after punch from player holds vigil
Published May 06, 2013

Associated Press

The oldest daughter of the Utah soccer referee who died Saturday a week after a teenage player punched him in the head hopes to forgive the young man who did it -- but not yet.

"I will, but not today; it's too soon," said Johana Portillo, 26, speaking Sunday night at a vigil to honor her father, Ricardo Portillo. "He was a father, he was a friend, he was a grandfather; he left a whole family behind. They should think before they do something stupid."

Police have accused a 17-year-old player in a recreational soccer league of punching Ricardo Portillo, 46, after he called a foul on him and issued him a yellow card.

Portillo died Saturday night after a week in a coma.

Nearly 100 family and friends gathered at a candlelight vigil Sunday night on the front lawn of the Salt Lake City home of Ricardo Portillo. Wearing white shirts and holding signs that read, "In loving memory of Ricky," family and friends stood around a table that had a picture of Portillo raising his arms in victory, with flowers and candles surrounding it.

The suspect, whose name is withheld because he's a minor, has been booked into juvenile detention on suspicion of aggravated assault. Authorities will consider additional charges since Portillo has passed away. An autopsy is planned. No cause of death was released.

Johana Portillo said Sunday she doesn't care what punishment the teenager gets -- saying nothing will bring her father back.

"When he did that, he took a part of me with him," she said, crying. "He took my daddy away from me."

She added: "I feel sorry for him. I feel for his family. But if he was old enough to do what he did, then he's responsible to pay for it."

Pedro Lopez, his brother-in-law and a fellow soccer referee, said the teenager made a mistake and isn't solely to blame. He said he's been involved in soccer his entire life, playing and refereeing, and seen a troubling trend emerge.

"It's not the ignorance of the child, it's the poor manners of the parents," said Lopez in Spanish, who played soccer professionally. "The yells and insults from the sideline from the parents make kids more violent."

Lopez, Johana Portillo and youth soccer coach James Yapias called on athletes around the world to hold their tempers in check so another family doesn't have to suffer -- and to bring something positive from Ricardo Portillo's death.

Yapias, a longtime friend of Ricardo Portillo coach in the same league, said coaches and parents need to do a better job teaching children about sportsmanship and being non-violent. He also called for more police presence at games. Portillo's death is a reminder that life can change in a second, he said.

"We all love this sport," Yapias said. "But we all need to respect the rules."

Johana Portillo said she hopes her father's death leads to more security at sporting events and better self-control from players. She said her father had been attacked by players twice before in his eight years refereeing soccer matches -- even having his ribs and legs broken.

Lopez said players need to respect referees and remember it's a sport meant to relieve stress -- not cause pain.

"Remember that we are human beings, and we make mistakes," Lopez said in Spanish. "Don't take justice into your own hands."

The former professional soccer player said he plans to continue working as a referee. He said leaving it behind would be abandoning his passion. He said he'll do so remembering Ricardo Portillo.

Ricardo Portillo's daughters had begged him to stop refereeing in a soccer league because of the growing risk of violence from angry players. But, like Lopez, Portillo told his daughters he couldn't quit.

"It was his passion," she said. "We could not tell him no."

Now his three daughters are faced with planning his funeral after he succumbed to injuries late Saturday that had put him in a coma for a week since teenager goalie punched him in the head.

Accounts from a police report, Portillo's daughter and others offer further detail what occurred.

The teenager was playing goalie during a game at Eisenhower Junior High School in Taylorsville when Portillo issued him a yellow card for pushing an opposing forward trying to score. In soccer, a yellow card is given as a warning to a player for an egregious violation of the rules. Two yellow cards lead to a red card and expulsion from the game.

The teenager, quite a bit heavier than Portillo, began arguing with the referee, then punched him in the face. Portillo seemed fine at first, then asked to be held because he felt dizzy. He sat down and started vomiting blood, triggering his friend to call an ambulance.

When police arrived around noon, the teenager was gone and Portillo was laying on the ground in the fetal position. Through translators, Portillo told emergency workers that his face and back hurt and he felt nauseous. He had no visible injuries and remained conscious. He was considered to be in fair condition when they took him to the Intermountain Medical Center.

But when Portillo arrived to the hospital, he slipped into a coma with swelling in his brain. Johana Portillo called detectives to let them know his condition had worsened.

That's when detectives intensified their search for the goalie. By Saturday evening, the teenager's father agreed to bring him down to speak with police.

Johana Portillo said she last spoke to him that night before he fell into a coma. She grabbed his hand and told him he was going to be all right. He held her hand tightly and said, "no." Within seconds, doctors ushered her out of the room and he lost consciousness.

She said Sunday night, with tears streaming down her face, that her father will always be in her heart.

"It's going to be very difficult," she said. "But I know he's going to help us from heaven."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/06/family-utah-soccer-referee-who-died-after-punch-from-player-holds-vigil/#ixzz2aWaqpStn

The suspect, whose name is withheld because he's a minor, has been booked into juvenile detention on suspicion of aggravated assault. Authorities will consider additional charges since Portillo has passed away. An autopsy is planned. No cause of death was released

theoctopus: Dud, this is how the court works.

If I slap you and you die, an autopsy will have to be conducted to find out the cause of death because a slap cannot be the cause of death. Obviously, the cause of death will be found. The best you can get in that case is man slaughter.

If I punch you, the same thing will happen except the prosecution can prove that, you were hit is a place in your body that can lead to death or if you are a trained combatant. That is why you have what is called human weapons and military personnel are banned from fighting except as self defense. If a trained military personnel attacks a civilian and kills him and it isnt in self defense, then he will be charged for murder.

An object, like a mace, it capable of causing death and if used during a fight, except you can prove it was in self defense, you can be charged for attempted murder or murder.

Mr Aboki:


Now you are outrightly irredeembale..

The suspect, whose name is withheld because he's a minor, has been booked into juvenile detention on suspicion of aggravated assault. Authorities will consider additional charges since Portillo has passed away. An autopsy is planned. No cause of death was released

Mr Aboki:


Im sure say na your type for don sentence Zimmerman to death for their palour..

Yeah!! I lifeted the darn definition off of wikipedia, but that doesnt make it any less true. In law, cases are not solved based on 'emotions' but certain laid down laws.

Your real problem is a limited mindset.. Chack out this scenario;

Chidi lloyd rushes into that hall empty handed as he was, grabbed ihunwo, pins hin to the ground and rains down punches on his face and causes the exact same damage he did to ihunwo with the mace, would you still be shouting 'Attempted murder'?! I doubt it. Stop focusing on the mace my child.. Look at the broader picture..

Now if Chidi Lloyd had grabbed a stick from outside and walked into that hall with it and proceeded to attack Ihunwo with that stick, then you have a solid basis to claim 'Mens rea' and thus attempted murder based on the 'actus rea'.

If you cant prove intent, then you have no case for murder.

kolado: Hahaha i can't help laughing when i see some people using emotion rather than law to judge crime. I have been following posts frm beginning and i saw craps as well as commonsensical legal positions proffered. Intent to kill(mens rea) is the most important ingredients in a murder case. Assault can easily be proved in Chidi Llyod's case in that murder case is just an escape mechanism. Conspiracy?! A man cannot conspire with himself. Law sweet o o layman go jxt dey gawk!

kolado: Wow, you've a sound legal application(IRAC).....Where do you school and what level?

Bros I be street Lawyer o!!

Learnt from my aunties, my mum, John Grisham, and now my mother in-la and my wife are both lawyers..

I am an engineer.. But my alter ego is a 'wanna-be lawyer'..

theoctopus:

Chidi Llyod has provided the most damning proof of intent: revenge. When he keeps shouting he was attacked first, that is proof of revenge.

When 3 men hold down a man on the table and one man raises up a mace to the sky to bring it down on a defenseless person, that is proof of intent right there and that is also a blatant proof of conspiracy. All these aspiring lawyers on NL self. lol. Google and Wikipedia lawyers.

Vengance is not 'intent to kill'...




hahahahahaaaaaa....

Mr Aboki:

Bros I be street Lawyer o!!

Learnt from my aunties, my mum, John Grisham, and now my mother in-la and my wife are both lawyers..

I am an engineer.. But my alter ego is a 'wanna-be lawyer'..

theoctopus:

I knew you have no clue. Just posting Google search results and Wikipedia articles. That is what NL is all about. Ignoramus on rampage! hahahahaha. That is why it always took you like 30 minutes to respond to every of my post. You couldnt even filter the searches.

Heheheheheeeeee..

I couldnt agree more..