italo:

Even my neighbour's 3week old foetus knows the meaning of "intercede."

I am surprised that an adult doesnt.

doclan: you are right.. They compiled the bible or rather they kept patchment of d Apostles' letter.. Lets be clear here, during d dark ages, the available copies of the bible were kept in strategised locations and considered nt right for common man to view, read or touch..

doclan:
Tank GOD for pple like Martin Luther, John Calvin dat fought for its freedom. Indeed, catholics compiled d bible.. Get ur histories right..

doclan: no wonder U allow the baptism of infants.. 3 wks old undastand intercede.. Keep it up. Waiting 4 U Maria

doclan: My brother, intercession takes place btw 3 parties, the human, the mediator and the father... It leaves no room for another person. If a pastor pray on behalf of sm1, He lays all prayer through Christ to God, still 3 people.. Pls, let us read d bible with sobriety pouring out all we have heard or known so we can get d actual msg.. I am nt a fan of confusion.. 1TIM2vs5, dats all.

Maria-Goretti:
Childre's dictionary..

Intercede..
v.
Intervene on behalf of another.


So its same when you ask your pastor to pray for you

Maria-Goretti:
we are doing smae... Mary, in this context takes the place of the Pastor.

naijadeyhia: [b]So Your Virgin Mary prays for you because:

1) You are sinners
2) Now that you are alive and also when you are at the point of your death.

Amazing. I see why you cannot understand Gods word because you are yet sinners and so carnal for the carnal mind cannot understand the things of the spirit. She also intercedes for you at the point of your death so that what would happen? Is it so that God can forgive and forget your sinful ways and usher you into heaven or is it purgatory?

Hebrews 7:14-28

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec: )
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Those are the words of God and not mine. Read them and be converted.[/b]

Maria-Goretti:
...so, you are without sin, right...?
Even the born-agains still ask for forgiveness during the course of their prayers.

If that bible passage is concerning 'Mary's intercession', then its of no use because I have alresdy told you the role she plays in the 3-person involved in prayers to Doclan earlier.
She plays same role as your Pastor.

doclan: .. Mawning Maria.. I dnt wana exchange words answering posts, bt I wana clerify smtin to U.. Quoting from Douay catholic translation, 1TIM 2vs5 reads "For there is one GOD; and one mediator of GOD and men, the man Christ Jesus" if faced wt a questn lyk who is Man's mediator to GOD? will it nt be gr8 to answer Mary? And get it wrong? It clearly is Christ... No one nids a priest to interprete the bible to him, God's understanding is all we need.. @ Superior1, with all dilligence, teach them the actual truth. God bless all.

philfearon:
You are seriously confused bro.....Are u normal at all? Who told u that Catholics take Mary as Man's Mediator?
Mary is the Mediator between us and Christ Who is the Ultimate Mediator...Mind You,The Blessed Virgin Mary is just Glorified being,not a God....So,mind ur language bro,b4 u incure untold wrath on urself....

Maria-Goretti:
...so, you are without sin, right...?
Even the born-agains still ask for forgiveness during the course of their prayers.

If that bible passage is concerning 'Mary's intercession', then its of no use because I have alresdy told you the role she plays in the 3-person involved in prayers to Doclan earlier.
She plays same role as your Pastor.

naijadeyhia:

if Mary plays the same role as a pastor would then what role does your reverend father play? Someone said Mary mediates between man and Christ so i suppose the rev father mediates between man and Mary and so the chain continues when God said we should come boldly before His throne of Grace that we may obtain mercy and grace to help in times of need. Heb 4:16

italo:

I cant find where Christ said anyone should make a "Bible." Yet the Catholic Church compiled and made it in the fourth century.

Is that also a man-made tradition we should do away with?

italo:

Any human being can play a mediatory role between man and Christ.

Any saint too.

doclan: I say and repeat, my point is not who prays 4 U, when pple go to pastors to pray for them, that is nt interceeding btw "Man and God" it simply is making ur petitions known to GOD.. The bible says if any is ill, let the elders pray for such.. In essence, wat I am driving home is dnt let Mary fill in the gap of Jesus.. And remember, Maria quoted that Mary is interceeding 4 us... Dat z wat I antagonised nd knw d meaning of interceed nd mediate very well b4 U take ur stand.

doclan: you are right.. They compiled the bible or rather they kept patchment of d Apostles' letter.. Lets be clear here, during d dark ages, the available copies of the bible were kept in strategised locations and considered nt right for common man to view, read or touch.. Tank GOD for pple like Martin Luther, John Calvin dat fought for its freedom. Indeed, catholics compiled d bible.. Get ur histories right..

naijadeyhia:

Mary plays absolutely no role. Can you point to me clearly in the scriptures where God demanded that we pray to her or through her. When you answer try to back it up with scripture as i do. This will prove to me that you are not concocting fables as you have been taught from childhood as a catholic. Going further also show me anywhere from the bible where God says we should pray to the dead for guidance or assistance (as you fondly call them dead saints)

naijadeyhia:

Oh really? Any human being? if any human being can then why do you need mary? Christ needs no mediator. He alone is the mediator between man and God. Those who died in Christ and who are serving Christ today and yet alive are all saints. The difference now that the dead to us but alive in Christ saints have run their race and finished their course. All they are doing now is worshiping God and not occupying a mediatory position. Christ shed his blood, suffered and died for all men. No one else did this except Him and this put Him in the seat of a mediator between man and God because he that was without sin was made sin for us. Did Mary die for the whole world? Was she the one beaten and bruised and given a crown of thorns? Was she the one crucified and buried? Was she the one who rose again from the dead on the 3rd day? Questions, questions, questions!

naijadeyhia:

Mary is the mediator between man and Christ? Wow now this is a whole new level of doctrine. Did Christ suggest even vaguely in the bible that he needed a mediator between men and him or did he come to focus men to God and not to Himself? Na wa o see confusion.

superior1:

Let them also tell you about robbing graves and praying to dead bones.

naijadeyhia:

Oh really? Any human being? if any human being can then why do you need mary? Christ needs no mediator. He alone is the mediator between man and God. Those who died in Christ and who are serving Christ today and yet alive are all saints. The difference now that the dead to us but alive in Christ saints have run their race and finished their course. All they are doing now is worshiping God and not occupying a mediatory position. Christ shed his blood, suffered and died for all men. No one else did this except Him and this put Him in the seat of a mediator between man and God because he that was without sin was made sin for us. Did Mary die for the whole world? Was she the one beaten and bruised and given a crown of thorns? Was she the one crucified and buried? Was she the one who rose again from the dead on the 3rd day? Questions, questions, questions!

philfearon:
At the Wedding at Cana,the servants could have simply gone to Jesus and told Him about the finished wine...Why did they go to Mary?

naijadeyhia:

Oh really? Any human being? if any human being can then why do you need mary? Christ needs no mediator. He alone is the mediator between man and God. Those who died in Christ and who are serving Christ today and yet alive are all saints. The difference now that the dead to us but alive in Christ saints have run their race and finished their course. All they are doing now is worshiping God and not occupying a mediatory position. Christ shed his blood, suffered and died for all men. No one else did this except Him and this put Him in the seat of a mediator between man and God because he that was without sin was made sin for us. Did Mary die for the whole world? Was she the one beaten and bruised and given a crown of thorns? Was she the one crucified and buried? Was she the one who rose again from the dead on the 3rd day? Questions, questions, questions!

nnatom:

pls which of d churches do u attend, b bold pls? So we can discuss more.

naijadeyhia:

And this suggests that she is now a spiritual mediator? Even when He was confronted by Mary this was His response.
"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come." He called her Woman and not Mother and it wasnt the only time He called her woman.

So because he turned water into wine at her plea she is now a mediator? I suppose the centurion who pleaded with Christ to heal his servant and Christ did in Luke 7 is also a mediator.

naijadeyhia:

Young man i do not belong to what you know as church i belong to the body of Christ. I do not attend A church because of its name. I am first and foremost a believer and church attended has nothing to do with anything. I am bold to declare that i am a believer and a son of the living God. I am not just a church goer, I am an embodiment of the life of Christ