free2ryhme: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV

free2ryhme: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV

free2ryhme: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV

superior1:

Can you show us from the pages of the Holy Bible where Jesus asked us to pray in the name of Mary

spongebuny:

it is evident to note that you don't misinterpret the bible for your selfish reason!!!!! i have sent u the answer to ur false interpretation...the catholic priests were and are pure scholars! they study the history of the bible as well as interpret the bible in the way it is to be. i advise you to read the previous posts well and allow it sink in. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU!!!

shumax:
Oga sir nobody prays in the name of mary, we just ask her to pray for us

free2ryhme:

where in the post did i mention catholic priests i only quoted a bible verse and you took it out of context .. May God forgive you

shumax:
Oga sir nobody prays in the name of mary, we just ask her to pray for us

damerry: yes, it's not in the Bible. But her life ministry proves that she is the easiest way to christ heart, so what are you waiting for? Rush to the nearest catholic shop, get yourself a rosary , and start seeking her powerful intercession. Besides do you think her apparitions ain't real?

superior1:

None, i just wanted to be sure, i have a friend on this thread who has been playing hide and seek with that question.

Back to the main discussion

2 Timothy 3, 14-16
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible should be the basis of all Christian doctrines and should be a reference point to all issues relating to a Christian life.

If Mary was with a special ministry or if we should use her name in prayers, it would be stated in the Bible. There was no teaching or parable of Christ or the Apostles where Mary (or any other saints) where asked to be used in prayers.

Instead Christ asked us to pray in His name
King James 2000 Bible (John 14:13)
And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

The word 'whatsoever' leaves no Christian in doubt (Prayers of forgiveness, supplication etc), he said we should ask in His name, unless you believe Jesus doesn't know what He is saying, He never mentioned any other name, not Mary, not Paul, not saints but in the name of Jesus.

Pray only in Jesus Name and nothing more

damerry: Jesus was the only son of Mary, those brothers and sisters could be cousins or relations. If Jesus had blood brothers why did he entrust his mother to John the beloved at the cross? After Jesus death john took care of Mary as his mother where were Jesus brothers and sisters? Being the spouse of the Holy spirit goes to prove Mary as ever-virgin. She ''remained a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin'' (st Augustine, serm. 186, 1 PL 38, 999): with her whole being, she is the ''handmaid of the Lord'' (LK 1:38)

Maria-Goretti:
This arguement will lead to nowhere....instead, you will keep on going in circles.
If you are a Catholic or protestant, its good. Just concentrate and serve your God. Dont go about castigating other denomination....because frankly speaking, you are not even sure about yourself.

What matters right now is THE END....
HOW MANY OF US WILL ATTAIN ETERNAL LIFE?
HOW MANY WILL ACTUALLY BE REWARDED?


That is what you should be worried about and not baseless arguements and calling names.
God isnt dumb, you know....he hasnt totally revealed everything to anybody.

superior1:

John 7 verses 1-5
7 And after these things Jesus was going about in Galilee. For he did not want to go about in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. 2 Now the feast of the Jews—the feast of Tabernacles—was near. 3 So his brothers said to him, “Depart from here and go to Judea, so that your disciples also can see your works that you are doing. 4 For no one does anything in secret and yet he himself desires to be publicly recognized.[a] If you are doing these things, reveal yourself to the world!” 5 (For not even his brothers believed in him.)

Mark 3: 31-33
31Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him. 32A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You." 33Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers?

His brothers did not believe in him and were not part of His followers at that time and hence are not expected to show up at the cruxification.

We know John the baptist was a son of Elizabeth and a second cousin to Jesus, none was started again, so why would you just assumed (even though you are not sure) that they are cousins of Jesus?, none of the 4 Gospel mentioned this theory of yours. They were called his brothers, they were in the company of Jesus mother to seek him

ochongonoko:

Well said!!. The bible called them his brother yet they seny it.. Chei

ochongonoko:

Nah sis, knowing the truth and accepting them won't hurt you. It's not bad to spread the true gospel of God. Why is so hard for you to agree God said this things when it's wriiten in the bible. Bible said don't bow down to ANY(no exceptions) graven image whether in heaven or on earth, yet you guys kneel/bow down to a graven image of mary. It's not complicated, the truth is that you know these things but have gone too deep to agree that you're wrong

Maria-Goretti:
...bow down?
C'mon, same way we've got statues of Jesus is same way we've got statues of BVM

ochongonoko:

Well said!!. The bible called them his brother yet they seny it.. Chei

naijadeyhia:

I see you are here my brother. God bless you real good

ochongonoko:

So outta all I wrote you picked out only "bow"?. Ok, what about kneeling and having mary's graven image and all that of Jesus?. Did jesus said you should make graven image of him?. He said NO graven image should be made. Is that so hard to understand?

CAMEROONPRIDE: liar, the bible call them cousins, in the ancient Greek and in most ancient languages there is no word for cousin , brother was used instead, it doesn't mean u are blood related or even related at all . Don't u sometimes call people on nairaland my brother? My African brother , my Nigerian brother or Cameroonian brother? Does it mean they are u brothers? Abeg stop this madness , Mary remained a virgin. Or name the so called brothers of Jesus and tell us when she gave birth to them or else shut up .

Maria-Goretti:
..calm down. We are not fighting.
Nobody is bowing or worshiping their moulded images.

Maria-Goretti:
..calm down. We are not fighting.
Nobody is bowing or worshiping their moulded images.

ochongonoko:

Mark 6:3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and
brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are
not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at
Him. 4 And Jesus said to them

You are asking me when she gave birth to them?. Does it matter as long as bible said she give birth to other children?. Okay, list the "TIME" EVERY name in bible was given bith to.

naijadeyhia: FACT: Catholics engage in endless praise of Mary. When a woman praised Jesus' mother to his face, did Jesus commend encourage this woman to continue praising Mary?

"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28

naijadeyhia:


[b]Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:4-5 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;


Acts 17:29 - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.


Leviticus 26:1 - Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 4:16-19 - 16 Lest ye corrupt [yourselves], and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17 The likeness of any beast that [is] on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.[/b]

ochongonoko:

I aint fighting with you. I just tried to point out some few things to you. I apologise if my post sounded aggressive.

As for your response, I guessing kneeling before a GRAVEN image of mary is now acceptable by God right?. So kneeling before a graven image and PRAYING through mary to pray to Jesus is now a biblical thingy?. I didn't expect you to refute my posts "biblically" cos you had no proofs


Once again, I'm sorry, if I sounded harsh. Remain blessed. See you later

CAMEROONPRIDE: sorry what I meant is brother was used for cousins, relatives and close friends. According to protestants dumb logic 101 , everything is written in the bible and when it is not it is devil, so my friend do you really think if Jesus had brothers their birth wouldn't b mentioned in the bible, and since it is not mentioned where do u get that from? Ur azz?

Maria-Goretti:
...lol, that was an entirely different context...he said that in other to encourage people about the teaching he gave earlier.


And true talk, Virgin Mary also heard and obeyed God.