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Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by naptu2: 9:33pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
[size=14pt]RCCG moves to control traffic on Lagos-Ibadan road[/size] http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/rccg-moves-to-control-traffic-on-lagos-ibadan-road/ |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Olaone1: 9:35pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
pappilo:Thanks. Naptu, this is another long-term measure to curb it. Let them travel miles, close the entrance. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Nobody: 9:40pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
You guyz are busy here ranting nonsense! Free the Church jorh. What about in the north where on fridayz, access roads are blocked and used as prayer ground?? What about in the north where bank staff leaves customer and pray inside the banks? The church has suffered persecution under Paul and other roman soldiers, the jews and pharasees and have thrived. I rest my case 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by naptu2: 9:43pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Ola one: Something similar was implemented in my neighbourhood and believe me it was a huge relief. The access way to The Palms Mall was right by the Lekki Expressway and it caused massive traffic jams. That entrance was closed off when the road was expanded and a longer access way was created. It solved the problem. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by SoaringSammy: 9:44pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
Culpability is of the government & the agency in charge, church has its own mission let the Government handle thiers. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Olaone1: 10:38pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
debosky: @vannityI don't even think it is possible to have Wembley and any big club in London at the same time. Maybe I'm wrong |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by meforyou1(m): 11:44pm On Aug 13, 2013 |
This matter don tire me. Govt should just close those camps, especially redeem, till the expansion of the road is completed |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by NOLONGTIN1(m): 3:03am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Rubbish!!! As I've said in other post, the government must find solutions and not the church. If you feel the church should be d 1 to solve the problem then mosques have to solve the problems I face every Friday because they want to pray. They literally pray on the roads!! |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by talk2s(m): 3:24am On Aug 14, 2013 |
A very serious question: WHEN WOULD THE UNGOING RECONSTRUCTION WORK ON LAGOS-IBADAN EXPRESS WAY BE COMPLETED? Let me condition my mind and schedule to avoid that road till further notice! |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by vanitty: 6:39am On Aug 14, 2013 |
It is the responsibility of the government to ensure its road is safe what we cannot do is try to guilt-trip the organisations into taking on the responsibilities of the government just because they are religious organisations. @ Papillo, just listen to yourself and that is my bugbear about the whole situation, other sensible government plan ahead, no contract WILL be signed until all the terms and conditions are satisfied, our own government just leave everything to chance and see how it goes syndrome!! and when it hits the fan, shift the blame. Why give them planning permission and then lament afterwards. Other organisations are still been given permission TILL DATE to build in already congested areas, common sense prevailing, aren't their any lessons learnt from that expressway!! 10 years from now, we will be blaming the organisations NOT the government and we expect Nigeria to be better, it is well! Until the government are held into account and everyone speaks with a voice be you Muslim, Christian, Hausa, Igbo or Yoruba nothing i mean nothing will change, let us all they siddon dey look! @ ola one : please do they get charged for their fans using the road? @ de bosky, why should they? Why can't the government THINK for once. It is obvious that whole road is a mess. I remember going there with my family eons ago like 15 years ago now and it was a mess then and i am sure it is worse now. The government should get their finger out of their arse and do something. Period. Overall responsibility belongs to the government. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by naptu2: 6:59am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Ola one: The whole thing is disgusting, really. You should report those churches and mosques (and any nightclub, music store, factory, etc that's involved in noise pollution) to Lasepa. They'll make sure they stop the noise, otherwise the church or mosque will be shut down. https://www.nairaland.com/876166/lagos-shuts-down-lord-chosen https://www.nairaland.com/943461/lagos-state-shut-down-one https://www.nairaland.com/1056540/fashola-clerics-tackle-noise-pollution https://www.nairaland.com/361263/shackled-laws-noise-pollution https://www.nairaland.com/887421/lagos-demolishes-three-mosques-relocates https://www.nairaland.com/1171114/79-year-old-lady-sues-redeemed-church |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by eazylifer(m): 8:12am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Well, if the road is widened, it will only ease movement on the Lagos-Ibadan expressway not forgeting the traffic is being generated from somewhere. Those places no doubt will still be burdened with the traffic. Lasting solution should include dissuading private cars from entering the churches. I don't know how feasible that will be though. The government & the institutions also need to do independently Traffic Impact Assessment for lasting solutions. Just a Town Planner's opinion |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Okijajuju1(m): 9:10am On Aug 14, 2013 |
deeptesting: [b]Please shut up with this government excuse.. Do these churches pay taxes?! So we should use tax payers money to build a 10 lane road to accomodate entities that make trillions of Naira/Dollars every year without remitting 1 cent to the government. The churches should be held accountable. There is something called social responsibility you know.. The solution is very simple, start by taxing all churches, secondly adjusting the law to remove Churches and places of worship from the 'Charity organization' category and plcae them under a special category where they would be made to pay taxes, forced to pay their organization workers atleast minimum wage and also make them carry out some social responsibility works in the community in which they operate. Look at Adeboye about to build a 3km lenght/1 billion man capacity church on that same road, do you think that making it a 10-lane road would be able to accomodate the traffic that 1-billion people moving in one direction would cause?! Please leave the government out of this.. What the government should do really is build a toll plaza on that road.. Yeah!! This would really piss off those churches. By the time their members sleep in traffic for 2 days enroute these churches, attendance would drop automatically.. Or better still, ban roadside parking.. Any car praked on the road would be towed and will only be released for half the value of the car. [/b] 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by since1914(m): 9:36am On Aug 14, 2013 |
AjanleKoko: Haha! This is the truest thing I heard this year. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Olaone1: 9:47am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Okija_juju:Weekends only toll will also help. And, make it 5,000 Naira per car sef |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Olaone1: 9:47am On Aug 14, 2013 |
naptu2:Good one |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Olaone1: 9:56am On Aug 14, 2013 |
vanitty:No. However, you and I know that every weekend, you need extra police officers, road safety officers, Civil Defense personnel, maybe LASMA, YES O, O'YES, etc, on that road. These people are being paid by tax payers, yet, they get drafted to this road in large numbers to sort out the mess emanating from the activities of these organizations. Why? Why do I have to contribute in form of taxes to help things go smoothly for these organizations? Hence the need for them to pay levies. Same for clubs like Chelsea, Man U, etc. What is my business in their business? Abeg, make dem pay jare. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Nobody: 10:06am On Aug 14, 2013 |
meetmonde: You guyz are busy here ranting nonsense! Free the Church jorh. What about in the north where on fridayz, access roads are blocked and used as prayer ground?? What about in the north where bank staff leaves customer and pray inside the banks? The church has suffered persecution under Paul and other roman soldiers, the jews and pharasees and have thrived. I rest my case SO BECAUSE THE NORTHERNERS DO IT U MUST ALSO ADOPT IT EH. SMART THINKING...... U AND THE BONEHEAD WHO LIKED UR HORSESHIT |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by gudugudumeje: 10:40am On Aug 14, 2013 |
LET RCCG, NASFAT, etc. ad others along Lagos -Ibadan Expressway be made to vacate the roads in the dire interest of the public by order. They cannot be greater than all of us. Well, one day will be one day ad that will be..... |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by deeptesting(m): 10:42am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Okija_juju: I hate when people make comment or post just for the sake of posting... Now these few questions below arises from your above submission: 1. Who will compel the churches to pay taxes if that will solve the problem? 2. Who will adjust the laws to remove the churches from the category of charity organization? Is it not the same government that I have placed this burden on its door step? Though you claim to be a worshiper of our ancestor you are not better than the Christians and Muslims who sees their religious belief as superior to others thus referred to as religious bigots...Now your hatred for Christianity has turned you to a traditional idol worshiper bigot.....I am am Atheist and it is founded on humanity, respect for the rights and privileges of others. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by ravgach: 11:03am On Aug 14, 2013 |
I have heard that NAFSAT, RCCG and Christ Embassey has at one time or the other caused motorists untold hardship on Lagos-Ibadan Expressway. I have not heard for once that Deeperlife or Mountain of Fire had made commuters on the road experience such challenges. I think we should find out how they have managed to hold their programs without causing commuters these type of hardship and adopt that strategy for the others. As these churches do these, the government must be alive to their responsibility by making that road ten-lanes with rail lines and BRT lanes. Nobody can stop churches from holding programs along that road if the government fails to do what they supposed to do. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Akanbiedu(m): 11:04am On Aug 14, 2013 |
This is not the church's fault but the government. An approval must have been sought before such gigantic project was executed along the axis. If it wasn't, still government fault for not taking necessary action. The church is responsible to its interests, while the government should live up to its responsibility by taking care of our collective interest. By the way, the reason why government doesn't want to disturb the church should be quite obvious. This particular church(Redeemed) has been/is helping the government in a very subtle way. A lot of masses' anger get calmed at the services. If I were in government's shoes, with no cogent plans to uplift the standards of living of the citizenry, I wouldn't do anything to the church too, at least until I am threatened politically by the church or by protesters against the effects of the church's activities around the road. Government discretionary tinz LOL 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Okijajuju1(m): 11:20am On Aug 14, 2013 |
deeptesting: [b]Yeah! The government is the one to change the laws and enforce them but you and I know that wasnt where you were heading with that post of yours. You wanted the government to build a 10-lane super highway there to ease the traffic congestion brought about by the presence of these churches on that road, but failed to point out that these churches dont pay taxes and dont perform any form of social responsibility acts. You just made a blanket statement of the 'government failing to live up to its responsibility' without telling us what these responsibilities that they didnt live up to are. Yes I dont think this one is the fault of the government. If Adeboye completes he 3km span auditorium, then all hell will break lose on that road. Infact!! I wonder why the government would even grant him a permit to build such a structure? The HSE risk involved with such projects is already astronomically high. Now from 1 million church capacity to 1 billion.. That road will have the mother of all traffics. Now the last paragraph of your post makes no sense whatsoever. Where did I say I hated Christianity or other religions in my post?! You even rushed to judge my religion by my moniker, isnt that funny! You being an atheist now makes you better than others abi?! lol! My guy, atheism wasnt founded on the principle of humanity, but rather on the belief that their is no 'Supreme being', which technically is itself a 'belief', cos just like the deists cant prove the existence of a supreme being, so can Atheist not disprove it either... #Geddit?! P.S:: The gods are wise... |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by pappilo(m): 11:52am On Aug 14, 2013 |
vanitty: It is the responsibility of the government to ensure its road is safe what we cannot do is try to guilt-trip the organisations into taking on the responsibilities of the government just because they are religious organisations. I agree with you 100%. The only thing to add is that the representatives of government that have allowed these people to perpetuate this rot didnt do it for free. Palms must have been greased. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by deeptesting(m): 11:53am On Aug 14, 2013 |
Okija_juju: Dude will Adeboye build the 3km church without a building approval from the government? The issue is not with the church but the government that is a slowpoke and dragging its citizens into this mess and we should hold them responsible...The church will have no choice but comply with whatever regulation the government hands over to them because their activities are governed by the law and don't forget the law should not be meant to cripple their activities but to ensure that they carry out there activities without breaching the right of other citizens plying that road 1 Like |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Okijajuju1(m): 12:00pm On Aug 14, 2013 |
deeptesting: Anyways!! I say Tax the bastards and Toll the road... Plus place steep fines on all church cars parked on the road and or forming double lines into the church. All visitors to these churches must park inside the Church compound or no where else. |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by whiteroses(f): 4:58pm On Aug 14, 2013 |
make them tax the churches well and build roads for their members to ride on abi |
Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by Nobody: 7:52pm On Aug 14, 2013 |
Some years ago on my way back from a family burial ceremony in ikale, ondo state i spent over 12hours within redeem axis due to a terrible gridlock and got home by 3am. I saw people sharing plates of fried rice meant for a wedding ceremony to fellows victims on that road to avoid waste cos they couldn't make the wedding due to heavy traffic congestion. The so called leaders and politicians failed to do the needful cos they ply those churches for election/re-election prayers/support from their self acclaimed MOGs. Inspite of the sufferings on that road its so sad that politicians politicise everything at the detriment of other nigerians for selfish reasons. Govt need to monitor/regulate such developments and the road needs to be dualised too! |
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