sidespin: I WILL BE GLAD IF YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE PETER, PAUL, JAMES AND OUR BLESSED LORD COLLECTED OR RECEIVED TITHES.
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, JESUS BECAME POOR FOR WE TO BE RICH.
U MAKE UP UR MIND TO GIVE TO GOD WHAT US CONVENIENT EACH TIME U RECEIVE MONEY. U ARE NOT UNDER ANY COMPULSION. NO CURSE IS ATTACHED TO U. YOU ARE NOT A JEW. THEY HAD TO DO THAT TO RECEIVE GOD'S BLESSING AWAITING WHEN CHRIST WILL COME.
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, THERE IS GIVING, HELPING - NOT SOWING

jude d writer: When u pay tithe u are obeying God; even if ur pastor uses ur tithe to buy a house, dat is none of ur business, u have obeyed God. God knows hw to handle his servants that abuse church money. By the way, if u don't tithe ur pocket will be tight

SHAAWA: There's nuthing wrong with paying tithes, the question is who should benefit from it?

damosky12:
When I say Law, I mean 'rules u must follow to keep your salvation intact, ie: keeping the old testament laws. When I say principles, I mean things you must do to attract God's "special" intervention on specific areas of your life. Ie, Giving is a principle for Recieving,

Paying Tithe opens the windows of heaven for your benefits and rebukes devourers for your sake. MALACHY 3:11

damosky12:
When I say Law, I mean 'rules u must follow to keep your salvation intact, ie: keeping the old testament laws. When I say principles, I mean things you must do to attract God's "special" intervention on specific areas of your life. Ie, Giving is a principle for Recieving,

Paying Tithe opens the windows of heaven for your benefits and rebukes devourers for your sake. MALACHY 3:11

soledadd: I cannever grudge over giving offerin in the church. I can give even more than ten times in a service simply because God is so generous. When i have something to give it gives me joy. I have a cousin who vowed not to give at all in every service no matter what. Reason beign that the priests are already very rich. He is close to 40 year now and miserable. A graduate of 10 years that cannot lay his hand on any job and bussiness. He keep soliciting for money from relatives even his younger ones. I cannever approach the house of God empty handed and God has never stopped blessing me.

uchdollar111: It is always good for a christian to pay tithe in fact, it is a commandment from the Lord, actually it started when Abraham gave 1/10 of his earnings to Melchizedech. And since then, it became a commandment so. Christians pay ur tithes.

Gombs:

Wot if I'm selling cars and don't have farm produce, and I didn't travel far frm my church, so it shdnt be a problem if I take one-tenth of the total cars to church, would it? Evn if I drive the car to church as tithe, you wud stil call pastors thieves. Ok frm wot you said, "tithe is to be paid yearly or every three years adding up all the previous years" imagine a church of 15,000 members, who after as you said every 3yrs now brought their farm produce...imagine the amount of cow, chicken, yams, beans, maize that wud litter d church altar...evn at that you'd say "gullible pple feeding the pastors while poor people starve to death". Also from this " Tithe is farm produce and not money meaning if I don't farm, then tithing aint for me, yes?

Sir understand quoted Moses's law, tithing was never of Moses but abraham. Question then is, did abraham give farm produce? If he didn't, then Abraham did it wrongly, no?

We are NO LONGER under the law

Roman 6 v 14 New Living Translation

...for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God's grace.

Gal 3v25 New Living Translation

And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer
need the law as our guardian.

But look what paul said about the law in romans 13 from verses

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

If then love is the fulfillment of the LAWS of Moses, Jesus then said

John 14v15 King James Bible

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Who gave the command in Malachi 3v8-11??

You are an atheist I gathered, in Christianity, we believe in the Trinity. God=Jesus=Holy Spirit. I knw tis hard for you to wrap your head around that, but this is what Paul said about it in 1corinth 2v14

14 The person without the Spirit does not
accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Goshen360: Tithing is ABOLISHED in the New Testament - Hebrews 7. Read it slowly and with understanding!

mwaza02: Well i am not in anyway asking anyone to pay tithe or not to, i check with my catholic church and you are not expected to pay tithes i know some young Nigerian priest are now into it, if in doubt check with catholic experts from. http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/search.asp. The act of giving just to receive is quite foolhardy if you think the giving is in donating just money. The simple giving is in our acts to your neighbor(fellow mankind).

each time people talk about tithe the only quote the old testament quoting the mosaic laws, now christ has come and fulfilled this laws and prophesies . We as christian have been born into the same priesthood as christ and do not require to pay the tenth to a levite as we share in the priesthood by virtue of our baptism into christ we born into same priesthood as melchizedik the priest of saleem,

Also tithe was only to be paid by head of the family and never by everyone in the house.

Tithe was never money but food , it was never a monthly thing but your harvest at the end of the year , you were to sit with your family and eat , only some portion of the ten was given to the priest . It was on the third year all went to the priest.

it was when jerusalem was too far that food was sold and money taken to jerusalem.

How come nobody talk about the laws in leviticus that say not to eating animals like pork , dogs etc , we accept the teaching of the new testament on this that not what goes in makes a man sin but what comes out of the heart. Selfishly some preachers have held on to tithing

What about laws that makes a woman unclean during menstruation and other such laws in the old testament laws that require sacrifice of animals have christ fulfilled those but not able to fulfilled tithing law? i am puzzled.

if you feel is ok to pay tithe please do if you feel "No" then don't but i thought i share this knowledge with you , looking forward to factual disputes please

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

damosky12:
Predestination is a different ball game. That talks more about our salvation in Christ and not finance.
There is depth of open heaven blessings you can not experience without paying your tithes and offering.
Am not a G.O, neither do I collect tithes from anybody but, obviously from the scriptures, you are expected to be "faithful" to God with your income. Tithe is God's own way of insuring your finance, job, businesses and properties.
The reason many of you lose what belongs to you is simply because you dont pay tithe. The devourer could capitalize on this. If you pay tithes, God said: " And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,.." . That means there is a devourer. I didnt write it o, God did. It isnt a Scam. IT IS REAL!!!

DrummaBoy:

Like my brother and friend Candour, I am loosing the steam to debate tithe on this forum but I just cannot but respond to this post. It would be good that tithe advocate check up the meaning of the word Principle in the dictionary and when they are through with that they should show us were, and anywhere, the Bible stated categorically that tithe is a principle.

From the scriptures FOLYKAZE quoted it is clear as noon day the purpose of the tithe: to provide for a group of people God had selected from Israel of old to administer the religious and civil life of His people. These people, the levites, were not to inherit the land and God, who is ever fair and ballanced, said that though you will not have land, you will have the tithe. The tithe was meant to be a means of sustenance for this people who had nothing. So what is the principle behind tithing: it is not the tithe itself but the fact that God is fair and would have everyone provided for. The levites had nothing and so should have the tithe. The principle it further depicts therefore is that God's work should be provided for.

In today's church, were many are demanding tithes, we see minister owning lands, cars and jets, and still demanding the tithe. The principle of provision in the house of God is sufficiently covered by the call on believers to give willingly and without compulsion. Anything beyond this it is legalistic and a fraud.

The height of the NT Christian life is the fact that believers can be led by the Spirit and not by written codes. If the written code demanded tithing in the OT, it makes sense to see that that has been translated to a life of the Spirit, being led by the Spirit, in free will giving. The moment it becomes a compulsory 10%, it is no longer a leading; there is no more a freedom to give; it becomes legalistic.

The worst part of this tithe fraud is how modern day ministers are feasting fat on it, while poor Christians have to tithe their meager allowances.

jarsofclay: @poster
there is absolutely nothing wrong in paying your tithe in CHURCH. you are doing the right thing and acting as the obedient child of God dat u are. don't let the anti-tithers discourage you. i had to emphasize the `Church' cos der re even those who believe in d tithe bt think they can pay it anywhere but d church. you see they have set themselves as enemies of the church of christ. if only they wil let us be. you don't believe in tithe? keep at it. but don't discourage d tithers. one day God wil separate the chaff from the wheat

Goshen360:

Is tithe a 'commandment' or 'principle'?
What is 'principle' of tithe?
Where in scripture did God instructed tithe as 'principle'?

Gombs:

Wot if I'm selling cars and don't have farm produce, and I didn't travel far frm my church, so it shdnt be a problem if I take one-tenth of the total cars to church, would it? Evn if I drive the car to church as tithe, you wud stil call pastors thieves. Ok frm wot you said, "tithe is to be paid yearly or every three years adding up all the previous years" imagine a church of 15,000 members, who after as you said every 3yrs now brought their farm produce...imagine the amount of cow, chicken, yams, beans, maize that wud litter d church altar...evn at that you'd say "gullible pple feeding the pastors while poor people starve to death". Also from this " Tithe is farm produce and not money meaning if I don't farm, then tithing aint for me, yes?

Sir understand quoted Moses's law, tithing was never of Moses but abraham. Question then is, did abraham give farm produce? If he didn't, then Abraham did it wrongly, no?

We are NO LONGER under the law

Roman 6 v 14 New Living Translation

...for you no longer live under the requirements of the law. Instead, you live under the freedom of God's grace.

Gal 3v25 New Living Translation

And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer
need the law as our guardian.

But look what paul said about the law in romans 13 from verses

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

If then love is the fulfillment of the LAWS of Moses, Jesus then said

John 14v15 King James Bible

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Who gave the command in Malachi 3v8-11??

You are an atheist I gathered, in Christianity, we believe in the Trinity. God=Jesus=Holy Spirit. I knw tis hard for you to wrap your head around that, but this is what Paul said about it in 1corinth 2v14

14 The person without the Spirit does not
accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but
considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

jniran22:

Deut.26:13
James 1:27

SELFWORTH:

This is nothing but poverty mentality.!! All these pretences. .

Gpattern: Just to make a few points:
1. No teacher of the gospel of Grace is against giving.
2. What Abraham gave as tithe was free will and not an instructed (so he could have given 1/20, 1/90 or even 1/5 if he choose to).
3. Abraham never gave from his income, but from the spoils of war, which he returned the 1/90.
4. Abraham only gave tithe once.
5. The tithe of the law was for the Jews and was an obligation (a must).
6. We have never been Jews... not before not now.
7. Under grace we don't do things by obligation, but by love.
8. the tithe of the law was of Animals and crops... not of money nor craft work etc
9. the tithe of the law was eaten at the gate of the temple by the owner.
10. Job was not a Jew and never mention to have paid tithe and was wealth (the most wealthy man in the east)
11. Malachi as we always quote as the tithe scripture was not written to the people of Israel, but to the prist
12. Under Grace Jesus never lay enphasies on tithing, but on giving in love or cheerfully.
thanks

Excellent move: there is no single verse in d bible where God commanded CHRISTIANS to pay 10% of their salaries/wages every month end to God, Jesus, pastor or church organisation. Pls if u'v seen, kindly show us. God bless.

jarsofclay: @poster
there is absolutely nothing wrong in paying your tithe in CHURCH. you are doing the right thing and acting as the obedient child of God dat u are. don't let the anti-tithers discourage you. i had to emphasize the `Church' cos der re even those who believe in d tithe bt think they can pay it anywhere but d church. you see they have set themselves as enemies of the church of christ. if only they wil let us be. you don't believe in tithe? keep at it. but don't discourage d tithers. one day God wil separate the chaff from the wheat

jarsofclay: @poster
there is absolutely nothing wrong in paying your tithe in CHURCH. you are doing the right thing and acting as the obedient child of God dat u are. don't let the anti-tithers discourage you. i had to emphasize the `Church' cos der re even those who believe in d tithe bt think they can pay it anywhere but d church. you see they have set themselves as enemies of the church of christ. if only they wil let us be. you don't believe in tithe? keep at it. but don't discourage d tithers. one day God wil separate the chaff from the wheat