buffenuff: Tithes can be paid in many forms not just in church. For instance you can use your tithes to pay for a homeless persons rent, If you earn 2 million a year, your tithes will be 200k. That alone can pay for someones rent for the year and get him off the streets. Or otherwise pay for the school fees for some kids on the streets. God will not be angry with you if you use your tithe money to help a stranger but God will be angry if you spend that tithe money on yourself. That's stealing from God. If everybody used their tithe money to help a stranger, in a matter of time, we will be looking for who to help cos there will be no more people in need.

Very well said!

shdemidemi:

That is where the problem lies, you are actually committing idolatry unconsciously. You believe tithing equals sowing because it works for you, right? The first thing you should take into consideration is never to to take experiences as God's standard.

You also spoke about Christ acknowledging the issue of tithe but He called it trivial requirement from the law. What does Christ expect us to do with those trivial things that concerns spiritual babes?

He needs us to outgrow them. We need to get off the baby bottle, getting into the meat of the Word, go on unto perfection,maturity, or that which is complete.

When he called it trival(according to your understanding) does it mean it is useless? Does it mean it is idolatory?(according to you)..from the revised translation of the original greek text.matt 23:23 Woe to you,scribes and pharisees,hypocrites,for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin,and ye have left aside the weightier matters of the law,judgment and mercy and faith:these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside....This conforms to what I said earlier,tithes and offerings are NOT mandated on christains,neither is it a scam as many will potray it to be..the translation used the word 'weightier'..LOVE is the weightiest of the Law,a fact that can't be argued.peace.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too.

When I think of Christians asking themselves whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible, is an Old Testament or New Testament teaching, I wonder how many of these Christians "send back" the many scriptural blessings God has given His people in the Old Testament. How many people when they are blessed and given hope through the mention of God's works, words etc. through the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't receive this or that blessing or confirmation because it's in the Old Testament'?"

Giving tithe is good - but only to God all mighty. pastors these days are far from the presence of The Lord, in today's world giving your tithe to church or pastor does not equate giving to The Lord. unfortunately.

To give to God remember the words of Jesus when asked 'how do we give to your Father in Heaven?'. He said when you give to the poor and the needy you give to my Father in Heaven.

You don't need to give to the poor by second hand (Church) if you are sincere about it. your personal effort to find and give to the needy is also a sacrifice for the Kingdom of God.

sarutobie:
When he called it trival(according to your understanding) does it mean it is useless? Does it mean it is idolatory?(according to you)..from the revised translation of the original greek text.matt 23:23 Woe to you,scribes and pharisees,hypocrites,for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin,and ye have left aside the weightier matters of the law,judgment and mercy and faith:these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside....This conforms to what I said earlier,tithes and offerings are NOT mandated on christains,neither is it a scam as many will potray it to be..the translation used the word 'weightier'..LOVE is the weightiest of the Law,a fact that can't be argued.peace.

What are the weightier matters?

Love Faith and Hope through the most important gift of the Spirit 'teaching'

What are the 'non-weightier' matters?

Miracle, signs, finance (tithe).......

Does Christ want us to dwell on the 'non-weightier' matters?

No, he wants us to grow even towards perfection.

damosky12:
GOD BLESS YOU. Tis is more all-encompassing.

Dears, it is so unfortunate that you glory in ignorance. what is God's covenant with Abraham? Simply put...through your seed, the whole world will be bless.....not the seed from the bond servant but free.....Note:seed not seeds....the seed is Christ Jesus.Gen 22:15-18, Heb 11:18

It should interest you to know that we are Christians today through that seed which is the fulfillment/establishment of the covenant. Even Abraham, Isaac...the prophets waited but they neva experienced it......

Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Law has been abolished! Paul when he was Saul had same problem you are having today because he could not come to terms with the truth that because the priesthood has change, there is also a necessity for the change of the Law..Heb7:12

God established his covenant with Abraham because of his obedience&Faith and not cos of Tithe Gen 22:15-19,Heb 11:emph on 1,8-10, 17-18. His tithe was free will offering (and thas what God wants from Christians today, II cor 9:1-15) If you have studied the principle of giving in the scriptures with been bias or reading another so called "man of God's book" You will come to understand that the only principle that has survived the test of time and has always been God's standard is free will giving and were all done out of faith, see below;

Cain and Abel: Gen 4:1-6
Abraham: Gen 22:15-16
David: II Sam 24:24
Barnabars: Act 4:32-37
Ananaias & Safira: Act 5:1-11
Christians giving: Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Go on and search......

The principle that lead to tithe in the Bible has not been looked into and thas why the direction of the discussion is odd and it now seems like an argumentative essay rather we need to educate ourselves...

T[b]he main reason for Tithe was that, the tribe of Levites has no inheritance when they got to the promise land! therefore other tribes that have inheritance (as per landed properties) should bring into the Treasury of the Levites for their survival. Levites in turn will then present to God one tenth of what they received as sacrifice to God. Num 18:21-26[/b]

21 “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting,.....

26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.

That is why tithe was limited to farm(plant and animal) produce. Lots of people were into buying and selling just as we are today in which we have salary earners but God neva asked them for tithe. Lev 27:30-32

Earlier on, you have been taken through the yearly tithe and 3 years Tithe as found in the scripture, the manner and style of which it was laid down and practiced.see Deut 14: 22-28

Come to think of it, assuming we are to obey the Law of Tithe today, how ought you think it should be done? would it have eva taken the process, procedure, manner and whateva dimension it is taking today? By now you know the answer!

In this Christian era, we do not have priests again, the bible says Christians are royal priest... and we have only one high priest, Jesus Christ..I Peter 2:9....Pastors are not priest!

Christians giving is of the principle of free will,...what a man purpose in his heart.....God loves(as always) a cheerful giver......Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Banabas didn't give tithe, he gave all the proceeds from the sales of his property and not to the apostles but to the church..Act 4:32-37

The Macedonian church gave beyond their ability even though they seems poor ......

No wonder Christ said our righteousness should exceed that of the pharisees and Sadducee....Math 5:20

Christians are under liberty and not under the law of necessity even in giving........

Our giving is to the saints and not to the priest.....cos we are priest ourselves

I to God through Jesus Christ our Lord to Continue to grant us knowledge wisdom and understanding. Amen

wonderz: In Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too.

When I think of Christians asking themselves whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible, is an Old Testament or New Testament teaching, I wonder how many of these Christians "send back" the many scriptural blessings God has given His people in the Old Testament. How many people when they are blessed and given hope through the mention of God's works, words etc. through the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't receive this or that blessing or confirmation because it's in the Old Testament'?"

The chapter you quoted is what I have been trying to explain..But no! They would rather heed to their own understanding and logic.

because its nt a must for the new testament church and if u want to pay it. It should according to the bible that said u should it to d fatherless, widows and lastly d levites(we still have any).

Did the early church in acts collect tithes? Did paul or peter or Jesus collect it?

U can show ur love 2 God via offerings working for God spending ur time and energy for Him and fatherless and widows .

Bidam: wAOOH!God bless you plenty plenty.1million likes for this.Even lawless reprobates like Kun, Gosh and drummaboy couldn't provide a rebuttal for this because they will be nailing their coffins.

I understand them twisting Paul letters to say the Law was abolished.But can they provide a single scripture to tell us if the Abrahamic covenant which is the foundation to all of scriptures being abolished? I know they can't.The Abrahamic covenant is the key to both the Old and New Testaments and is foundational to the whole program of redemption.

All subsequent revelation is the outworking of this covenant. This covenant, and the subsequent covenant framework, is the key to understanding Scripture.

Dears, it is so unfortunate that you glory in ignorance. what is God's covenant with Abraham? Simply put...through your seed, the whole world will be bless.....not the seed from the bond servant but free.....Note:seed not seeds....the seed is Christ Jesus.Gen 22:15-18, Heb 11:18

It should interest you to know that we are Christians today through that seed which is the fulfillment/establishment of the covenant. Even Abraham, Isaac...the prophets waited but they neva experienced it......

Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Law has been abolished! Paul when he was Saul had same problem you are having today because he could not come to terms with the truth that because the priesthood has change, there is also a necessity for the change of the Law..Heb7:12

God established his covenant with Abraham because of his obedience&Faith and not cos of Tithe Gen 22:15-19,Heb 11:emph on 1,8-10, 17-18. His tithe was free will offering (and thas what God wants from Christians today, II cor 9:1-15) If you have studied the principle of giving in the scriptures with been bias or reading another so called "man of God's book" You will come to understand that the only principle that has survived the test of time and has always been God's standard is free will giving and were all done out of faith, see below;

Cain and Abel: Gen 4:1-6
Abraham: Gen 22:15-16
David: II Sam 24:24
Barnabars: Act 4:32-37
Ananaias & Safira: Act 5:1-11
Christians giving: Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Go on and search......

The principle that lead to tithe in the Bible has not been looked into and thas why the direction of the discussion is odd and it now seems like an argumentative essay rather we need to educate ourselves...

T[b]he main reason for Tithe was that, the tribe of Levites has no inheritance when they got to the promise land! therefore other tribes that have inheritance (as per landed properties) should bring into the Treasury of the Levites for their survival. Levites in turn will then present to God one tenth of what they received as sacrifice to God. Num 18:21-26[/b]

21 “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting,.....

26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.

That is why tithe was limited to farm(plant and animal) produce. Lots of people were into buying and selling just as we are today in which we have salary earners but God neva asked them for tithe. Lev 27:30-32

Earlier on, you have been taken through the yearly tithe and 3 years Tithe as found in the scripture, the manner and style of which it was laid down and practiced.see Deut 14: 22-28

Come to think of it, assuming we are to obey the Law of Tithe today, how ought you think it should be done? would it have eva taken the process, procedure, manner and whateva dimension it is taking today? By now you know the answer!

In this Christian era, we do not have priests again, the bible says Christians are royal priest... and we have only one high priest, Jesus Christ..I Peter 2:9....Pastors are not priest!

Christians giving is of the principle of free will,...what a man purpose in his heart.....God loves(as always) a cheerful giver......Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Banabas didn't give tithe, he gave all the proceeds from the sales of his property and not to the apostles but to the church..Act 4:32-37

The Macedonian church gave beyond their ability even though they seems poor ......

No wonder Christ said our righteousness should exceed that of the pharisees and Sadducee....Math 5:20

Christians are under liberty and not under the law of necessity even in giving........

Our giving is to the saints and not to the priest.....cos we are priest ourselves

I to God through Jesus Christ our Lord to Continue to grant us knowledge wisdom and understanding. Amen

Gombs:

Sir, but Israel (Jacob, incase you've forgotten) was from Isaac, who in turn was from Abraham, same Abraham God said this to

Gal 3v16-17

16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and
to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,”
meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Question is if I'm not part of Israel, who was a line Jesus (seed of Abraham) came from, same Jesus I follow, my question is, Do you really follow Jesus? Read that Gal 3v16 and 17 veeeeeeeeery well sir. I'm from Israel, and I pay tithe.

Notice how far the law was from Abraham who paid tithe. And paul said the Law DOES NOT set aside the covenant God had with Abraham. Remember Melchizedek Abraham paid tithe to was likened to Jesus (he had same priesthood as Jesus) because Heb 7v 1-3 says this about Melchizedek

KJV

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the
most high God, who met Abraham returning from the
slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first
being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent,
having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but
made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest
continually.


It is the priesthood that
continues, which is a type of Christ’s perpetual
priesthood.

Sir, you need study d scriptures well...I can go on and on

I just established the fact that Jesus came from Abraham through Israel. From your above post "You have no business paying tithes except you are an israelite"

if you believe in Jesus (Gal 3v29 NLT "And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.) , then you are surely from the line of Israel-Abraham's Children (satisfying you words "except you are an israelite" which you now know you are) , and hence it becomes your business paying tithes and Yea, you SHOULD pay tithes.

Dears, it is so unfortunate that you glory in ignorance. what is God's covenant with Abraham? Simply put...through your seed, the whole world will be bless.....not the seed from the bond servant but free.....Note:seed not seeds....the seed is Christ Jesus.Gen 22:15-18, Heb 11:18

It should interest you to know that we are Christians today through that seed which is the fulfillment/establishment of the covenant. Even Abraham, Isaac...the prophets waited but they neva experienced it......

Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Law has been abolished! Paul when he was Saul had same problem you are having today because he could not come to terms with the truth that because the priesthood has change, there is also a necessity for the change of the Law..Heb7:12

God established his covenant with Abraham because of his obedience&Faith and not cos of Tithe Gen 22:15-19,Heb 11:emph on 1,8-10, 17-18. His tithe was free will offering (and thas what God wants from Christians today, II cor 9:1-15) If you have studied the principle of giving in the scriptures with been bias or reading another so called "man of God's book" You will come to understand that the only principle that has survived the test of time and has always been God's standard is free will giving and were all done out of faith, see below;

Cain and Abel: Gen 4:1-6
Abraham: Gen 22:15-16
David: II Sam 24:24
Barnabars: Act 4:32-37
Ananaias & Safira: Act 5:1-11
Christians giving: Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Go on and search......

The principle that lead to tithe in the Bible has not been looked into and thas why the direction of the discussion is odd and it now seems like an argumentative essay rather we need to educate ourselves...

T[b]he main reason for Tithe was that, the tribe of Levites has no inheritance when they got to the promise land! therefore other tribes that have inheritance (as per landed properties) should bring into the Treasury of the Levites for their survival. Levites in turn will then present to God one tenth of what they received as sacrifice to God. Num 18:21-26[/b]

21 “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting,.....

26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.

That is why tithe was limited to farm(plant and animal) produce. Lots of people were into buying and selling just as we are today in which we have salary earners but God neva asked them for tithe. Lev 27:30-32

Earlier on, you have been taken through the yearly tithe and 3 years Tithe as found in the scripture, the manner and style of which it was laid down and practiced.see Deut 14: 22-28

Come to think of it, assuming we are to obey the Law of Tithe today, how ought you think it should be done? would it have eva taken the process, procedure, manner and whateva dimension it is taking today? By now you know the answer!

In this Christian era, we do not have priests again, the bible says Christians are royal priest... and we have only one high priest, Jesus Christ..I Peter 2:9....Pastors are not priest!

Christians giving is of the principle of free will,...what a man purpose in his heart.....God loves(as always) a cheerful giver......Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Banabas didn't give tithe, he gave all the proceeds from the sales of his property and not to the apostles but to the church..Act 4:32-37

The Macedonian church gave beyond their ability even though they seems poor ......

No wonder Christ said our righteousness should exceed that of the pharisees and Sadducee....Math 5:20

Christians are under liberty and not under the law of necessity even in giving........

Our giving is to the saints and not to the priest.....cos we are priest ourselves

I to God through Jesus Christ our Lord to Continue to grant us knowledge wisdom and understanding. Amen

shdemidemi:


Clueless to say the least!

You know the answer to the rubbish you are insinuating, yet you spew if for the sake of popularity. What are the works of Abraham, tithing? No. Trust in God(belief)

Pick up a part in James gospel or john's gospel that talks about the body of Christ, you can't find it there. It will definitely come to a time when people shall be judged by works. The seven churches you see in the book of Revelations would be judged by works and not by 'undeserved favour', they would not be justified (just as if they never sinned), you would also not find the Holy Spirit mentioned there.

As for us who are the mystical body of Christ
Ephesians
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 4

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


You need to know your left from the right when talking scriptures.

All the verses of scriptures you quoted talks about salvation which is not by works.We receive Jesus into our hearts not by our own righteousness but the righteousness that is by faith in Christ Jesus. Now after the gift of salvation what next?

Lemme quote Paul since you hate the other apostles.The bible says:

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Philippians 2 :13

so why are ye imagining vain things, when you see glaringly from scriptures that God is at work in believers to pay tithes(a form of giving) in order to propagate His Kingdom.

These rogues want to turn Jesus into a tithe collector

damosky12: This explains the reason why some Christians are'nt as rich as they ought to. It explains why some arnt even rich at all. PAYING YOUR TITHES AND OFFERING IS A PRINCIPLE TO RECIEVING SUPERNATURAL ABUNDANCE.

God said: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground: neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts" - Malachi 3:10-11. Whao! God said all these, not a man's idea. It isnt like a man's idea of making money. God said it. Bishop Oyedepo isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Pastor Chris isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Whao! God said "try me, if I will not open the windows of heaven to bless you that there will be no room to contain it. Not just that, He says: after blessing you, He will rebuke devourers for your sake. Whao!!! That is the secret behind "the Kingdom wealth".
Now listen, whether you believe it or not, it doesnt change a thing. Whether you pay tithe or not doesnt affect God's servants. They will still live in stupendous plenty.
Offering and thiting isnt an old testament law, it is God's principle of expanding they that apply it.
"He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much..." - Luke 16:10

The principle to recieving plenty is to be faithful in the little wages, salary, income you earn. Notice, He didnt say "generous". He said "Faithful". That means, You arnt doing God a favour, You are giving Him what is His. Giving Him what is His is what gives you what is yours in Christ

I WONDER WHY THE NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTS THE OLD TESTAMENT

FOLYKAZE:

It is either you are a thief or trying to venture into pastorpreneur. Did what you quote indicates money at all?

This is from the bible:

Deuteronomy 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns,
29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


From the above verse, tithe is to be paid yearly or every three years adding up all the previous years. This contradict fraudulent claims of monthly paying you and your pasthieves are spreading.

Tithe is farm produce and not money

Tithe can be convert to silver/money when you at distance place but you will use it to buy whatever pleases your heart.....meaning those farm produce you cant travel with but you can still buy farm produce when you get to the house of God. This contradict your holy-scam of opening account with the bank and sowing seed with money? Is church investment company?

Bidam: All the verses of scriptures you quoted talks about salvation which is not by works.We receive Jesus into our hearts not by our own righteousness but the righteousness that is by faith in Christ Jesus. Now after the gift of salvation what next?

Lemme quote Paul since you hate the other apostles.The bible says:

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Philippians 2 :13

so why are ye imagining vain things, when you see glaringly from scriptures that God is at work in believers to pay tithes(a form of giving) in order to propagate His Kingdom.

Do you not look at these things properly or what!

It is God who works in me.

Who does the work? God

What can I then be proud about! God says He works in me to do even to will.

Like you rightly said, being saved is not the end of the race. There is another height to reach which is reigning with him and being a joint-heir with Christ. How do I achieve that?

2 Tim 2a
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him

Romans 8:17

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; (caveat, if)if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

paparazzi1987:

I WONDER WHY THE NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTS THE OLD TESTAMENT

They are different because Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Testament simply means covenant

There is the old and there is a new covenant. The old covenant is a earthly shadow of the spiritual new covenant. Unfortunately many still try to mix these two to fit into their blur personal postulations.

Tithing is not a christian doctrine. It is a jewish doctrine. Did the apostles who started the early churches asked people to pay tithes? Or may be they forgot to? Their emphasis was on giving.

Pastor Kun: These rogues want to turn Jesus into a tithe collector

...as if our Lord descended from the tribe of Levi.

Gombs:

Sir, but Israel (Jacob, incase you've forgotten) was from Isaac, who in turn was from Abraham, same Abraham God said this to

Gal 3v16-17

16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and
to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,”
meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Question is if I'm not part of Israel, who was a line Jesus (seed of Abraham) came from, same Jesus I follow, my question is, Do you really follow Jesus? Read that Gal 3v16 and 17 veeeeeeeeery well sir. I'm from Israel, and I pay tithe.

Notice how far the law was from Abraham who paid tithe. And paul said the Law DOES NOT set aside the covenant God had with Abraham. Remember Melchizedek Abraham paid tithe to was likened to Jesus (he had same priesthood as Jesus) because Heb 7v 1-3 says this about Melchizedek

KJV

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the
most high God, who met Abraham returning from the
slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first
being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent,
having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but
made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest
continually.


It is the priesthood that
continues, which is a type of Christ’s perpetual
priesthood.

Sir, you need study d scriptures well...I can go on and on

I just established the fact that Jesus came from Abraham through Israel. From your above post "You have no business paying tithes except you are an israelite"

if you believe in Jesus (Gal 3v29 NLT "And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.) , then you are surely from the line of Israel-Abraham's Children (satisfying you words "except you are an israelite" which you now know you are) , and hence it becomes your business paying tithes and Yea, you SHOULD pay tithes.

Nice write up. I really do not have time to disect your write up ut will try to do when i am more relaxed

But this is what i have to say to it for now... We have an inheritance in Christ through the promise made to Abraham by God. This does not automatically mean we have to live under the law as in the OT times (note the whole law is fulfilled in Christ and we are heirs by His grace...the work on calvary).

When a sinner believes and accepts christ, he is born into and inheritance as per the promise. Now 1 Peter 2:9 lets us know we are "a royal priesthood". This simply means we are born (again) into priesthood. We can all act as priests, all having direct access to God.

Now a simple question to you. From your knowledge of the bible, do priests pay tithes and who do they pay their tithes to? (to Levites?)

Bidam: wAOOH!God bless you plenty plenty.1million likes for this.Even lawless reprobates like Kun, Gosh and drummaboy couldn't provide a rebuttal for this because they will be nailing their coffins.

I understand them twisting Paul letters to say the Law was abolished.But can they provide a single scripture to tell us if the Abrahamic covenant which is the foundation to all of scriptures being abolished? I know they can't.The Abrahamic covenant is the key to both the Old and New Testaments and is foundational to the whole program of redemption.

All subsequent revelation is the outworking of this covenant. This covenant, and the subsequent covenant framework, is the key to understanding Scripture.

I will NEVER follow the MOSAIC because the LAW make NO ONE PERFECT (mature) in the things of God. I will do and follow the Apostolic. Under the law, Abraham's tithe of spoils of war IS NOT ACCEPTED because it is not what is produced in Israel. It's not transfered into the law. The Abrahamic covenant is NOT based on tithe of Abraham. He was already rich before the act of tithe ONCE. Even at this once tithe, Melchizedek BLESSED him first BEFORE Abram gave that tithe. UNLIKE you, the tithers, you tithe BECAUSE YOU WANT WINDOWS OF HEAVEN OPEN (THAT'S LAW TITHING NOW, NOT ABRAHAM'S EXAMPLE), YOU TITHE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE BLESSED.....Do you now see that difference?

fisayobolusere:

Dears, it is so unfortunate that you glory in ignorance. what is God's covenant with Abraham? Simply put...through your seed, the whole world will be bless.....not the seed from the bond servant but free.....Note:seed not seeds....the seed is Christ Jesus.Gen 22:15-18, Heb 11:18

It should interest you to know that we are Christians today through that seed which is the fulfillment/establishment of the covenant. Even Abraham, Isaac...the prophets waited but they neva experienced it......

Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Law has been abolished! Paul when he was Saul had same problem you are having today because he could not come to terms with the truth that because the priesthood has change, there is also a necessity for the change of the Law..Heb7:12

God established his covenant with Abraham because of his obedience&Faith and not cos of Tithe Gen 22:15-19,Heb 11:emph on 1,8-10, 17-18. His tithe was free will offering (and thas what God wants from Christians today, II cor 9:1-15) If you have studied the principle of giving in the scriptures with been bias or reading another so called "man of God's book" You will come to understand that the only principle that has survived the test of time and has always been God's standard is free will giving and were all done out of faith, see below;

Cain and Abel: Gen 4:1-6
Abraham: Gen 22:15-16
David: II Sam 24:24
Barnabars: Act 4:32-37
Ananaias & Safira: Act 5:1-11
Christians giving: Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Go on and search......

The principle that lead to tithe in the Bible has not been looked into and thas why the direction of the discussion is odd and it now seems like an argumentative essay rather we need to educate ourselves...

T[b]he main reason for Tithe was that, the tribe of Levites has no inheritance when they got to the promise land! therefore other tribes that have inheritance (as per landed properties) should bring into the Treasury of the Levites for their survival. Levites in turn will then present to God one tenth of what they received as sacrifice to God. Num 18:21-26[/b]

21 “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting,.....

26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.

That is why tithe was limited to farm(plant and animal) produce. Lots of people were into buying and selling just as we are today in which we have salary earners but God neva asked them for tithe. Lev 27:30-32

Earlier on, you have been taken through the yearly tithe and 3 years Tithe as found in the scripture, the manner and style of which it was laid down and practiced.see Deut 14: 22-28

Come to think of it, assuming we are to obey the Law of Tithe today, how ought you think it should be done? would it have eva taken the process, procedure, manner and whateva dimension it is taking today? By now you know the answer!

In this Christian era, we do not have priests again, the bible says Christians are royal priest... and we have only one high priest, Jesus Christ..I Peter 2:9....Pastors are not priest!

Christians giving is of the principle of free will,...what a man purpose in his heart.....God loves(as always) a cheerful giver......Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Banabas didn't give tithe, he gave all the proceeds from the sales of his property and not to the apostles but to the church..Act 4:32-37

The Macedonian church gave beyond their ability even though they seems poor ......

No wonder Christ said our righteousness should exceed that of the pharisees and Sadducee....Math 5:20

Christians are under liberty and not under the law of necessity even in giving........

Our giving is to the saints and not to the priest.....cos we are priest ourselves

I to God through Jesus Christ our Lord to Continue to grant us knowledge wisdom and understanding. Amen

Very good write up. you understand the Abrahamic covenant better than those that try to use it as excuse to collect or confuse people to pay tithe.

Just by listening to what some unbelievers have to say on
the subject of tithing, it quickly becomes clear that the
modern tithing doctrine undermines the Gospel message and
keeps a lot of people from coming to Christ. It just doesn’t
make any sense that Jesus died freely for our sins yet He
charges us 10% of our income like some kind of club dues
or fees. Something seems fishy because it is. Many
unbelievers refuse to consider the Gospel message because
of this very conflict.

There're thousands of people all over the world who don't pay tithes, they are not even Christians and they are extremely rich and grateful to God. But what is found common among them is that they are givers. And secondly given to God is not synonymous with given to a church.

If You Believe in Paying tithe to work for you, then pay your tithe. But my Problem With our Pastors today is that, why is it that the pastors emphasis on the tithe as if that is the only thing to do that you will get increase from God. Jesus did not stress on tithe rather he stressed on love. our pastors please preach the right thing. don't be selfish

[quote author=GeneralShepherd]Just by listening to what some unbelievers have to say on
the subject of tithing, it quickly becomes clear that the
modern tithing doctrine undermines the Gospel message and
keeps a lot of people from coming to Christ. It just doesn’t
make any sense that Jesus died freely for our sins yet He
charges us 10% of our income ... Jesus did not ask us to pay tithes in fact he mentioned tithes once when he said there're more important acts of worship than paying tithes.

[b][/b]

Goshen360:

I will NEVER follow the MOSAIC because the LAW make NO ONE PERFECT (mature) in the things of God. I will do and follow the Apostolic. Under the law, Abraham's tithe of spoils of war IS NOT ACCEPTED because it is not what is produced in Israel. It's not transfered into the law. The Abrahamic covenant is NOT based on tithe of Abraham. He was already rich before the act of tithe ONCE. Even at this once tithe, Melchizedek BLESSED him first BEFORE Abram gave that tithe. UNLIKE you, the tithers, you tithe BECAUSE YOU WANT WINDOWS OF HEAVEN OPEN (THAT'S LAW TITHING NOW, NOT ABRAHAM'S EXAMPLE), YOU TITHE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE BLESSED.....Do you now see that difference?

Surely ye were baptised in the name of paul

damosky12:
When I say Law, I mean 'rules u must follow to keep your salvation intact, ie: keeping the old testament laws. When I say principles, I mean things you must do to attract God's "special" intervention on specific areas of your life. Ie, Giving is a principle for Recieving, Paying Tithe opens the windows of heaven for your benefits and rebukes devourers for your sake. MALACHY 3:11

Guy understand ur bible very well b4 u start saying rubbish here. Tithe is not a rule to keep ur salvation intact.Jesus has already paid for our salvation. D fact dat u don't pay tithe does not mean u r going to hell.

[quote author=fisayobolusere]

Dears, it is so unfortunate that you glory in ignorance. what is God's covenant with Abraham? Simply put...through your seed, the whole world will be bless.....not the seed from the bond servant but free.....Note:seed not seeds....the seed is Christ Jesus.Gen 22:15-18, Heb 11:18

Let me also free you from ignorance since you just come here to copy and paste rather than address issues from a scriptural perspective. It seems you are a learner.SMH!
Even after the crucifixion of her Messiah, Paul said the covenants and promises still pertained to Israel (Rom. 9:4).The Jews in the time of Jesus claimed that they were the true children of Abraham and therefore the rightful heirs of the covenant promises. They challenged Jesus, saying, "Abraham is our father." John 8:39. But Jesus answered, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." John 8:40. Then Jesus clearly told them, "Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. . . . He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because you are not of God." John 8:44,47.. Is it not rather pathetic that what we see today echoes the words of Jesus? Remember it's God's tithe.(LEVITICUS 27:30-34
30[i] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy to the LORD[/i].) NOT yours to eat.

It should interest you to know that we are Christians today through that seed which is the fulfillment/establishment of the covenant. Even Abraham, Isaac...the prophets waited but they neva experienced it......

Says who? anyway not this scripture sha.

Isaiah 51

King James Version (KJV)

51 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and the Law has been abolished! Paul when he was Saul had same problem you are having today because he could not come to terms with the truth that because the priesthood has change, there is also a necessity for the change of the Law..Heb7:12

Cop out scriptures lawless reprobates use to say the tithes was abolished.change of law there means ceremonial laws which the tithes replaced.

God established his covenant with Abraham because of his obedience&Faith and not cos of Tithe Gen 22:15-19,Heb 11:emph on 1,8-10, 17-18. His tithe was free will offering (and thas what God wants from Christians today, II cor 9:1-15) If you have studied the principle of giving in the scriptures with been bias or reading another so called "man of God's book" You will come to understand that the only principle that has survived the test of time and has always been God's standard is free will giving and were all done out of faith, see below;

who told you i am following a so could man of God on this issues.The holy Spirit taught me this as a spiritual principle comparing scriptures with scriptures.

LUKE 11:42 (Jesus)
42 But woe to you, Pharisees! for you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgement and the love of God: these you ought to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Note: What did Jesus mean in these scriptures? He is simply saying to them and us, "You ought to tithe." Jesus is the head of the church (Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18), which is his body (Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1:24), and it should be in complete subjection to him in all things (Ephesians 1:22), but it will never be so without paying tithes, because here he said that we ought to do it. Jesus' words are still applicable to us today:

(Matthew 24:35) "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 23:23) "you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, ... these you ought to have done,"
(Luke 11:42) "you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs ... these you ought to have done,"
(Luke 6:46) "And why do you call me, Lord, Lord, and do not do the things which I say?"
(John 14:15) "If you love me, keep my commandments."
(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."

The principle that lead to tithe in the Bible has not been looked into and thas why the direction of the discussion is odd and it now seems like an argumentative essay rather we need to educate ourselves...

Keep deceiving and being deceived,we should throw away all the OT books just because yours sincerely said so abi? SMH!

T[b]he main reason for Tithe was that, the tribe of Levites has no inheritance when they got to the promise land! therefore other tribes that have inheritance (as per landed properties) should bring into the Treasury of the Levites for their survival. Levites in turn will then present to God one tenth of what they received as sacrifice to God. Num 18:21-26[/b]

21 “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting,.....

26 “Moreover, you shall speak and say to the Levites, ‘When you take from the people of Israel the tithe that I have given you from them for your inheritance, then you shall present a contribution from it to the Lord, a tithe of the tithe.

That is why tithe was limited to farm(plant and animal) produce. Lots of people were into buying and selling just as we are today in which we have salary earners but God neva asked them for tithe. Lev 27:30-32

Earlier on, you have been taken through the yearly tithe and 3 years Tithe as found in the scripture, the manner and style of which it was laid down and practiced.see Deut 14: 22-28

If you don't understand scriptures,why not ask questions instead vomiting what you read and heard from some one who abhors God's tithes and commandments?

In the days of Jesus and prior to his first coming, the Levitical priesthood was supported by the tithes of Israel because they did the service of God under the law. In the New Testament there is no longer any need for the Levitical priesthood as the whole system has been changed which i agree (Hebrews 7:11-12), but their equivalent is now the ministry in the New Testament church.

1 CORINTHIANS 9:7-11 (Paul)
7 Who goes to war any time at his own expense? who plants a vineyard, and does not eat of the fruit of it? or who feeds a flock, and does not drink of the milk of the flock?
8 Do I say these things as a man? or does not the law say the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, You shall not muzzle the mouth of the ox who treads out the corn. Does God take care for oxen?
10 Or does he say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he who ploughs should plough in hope; and that he who threshes in hope should be a partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown to you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?


GALATIANS 6:6 (Paul)
6 Let him who is being taught in the word share with him who teaches in all good things.


Note: Just as under the law of Moses the Levites, who did the service of God in the tabernacle and the temple, received the tithes so it is right for those who perform the ministry in the church to receive tithes, as it is written, "the labourer is worthy of his hire." (Luke 10:7).

Let's also look at the DEUTERONOMY 14:28-29, you quoted. I had to reply you because you made the mistake of quoting me here. I am not ignorant of the scriptures on tithing my sis.I had to suspend all other activities to address this lengthy post.Hope you will still go and study more on it.

DEUTERONOMY 14:28-29
28 At the end of three years you will bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year, and you will lay it up within your gates:
29 And the Levite, (because he has no part nor inheritance with you,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.


DEUTERONOMY 26:12-13
12 When you have made an end of tithing all the tithes of your increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within your gates, and be filled;
13 Then you will say before the LORD your God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, and to the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandments which you have commanded me: I have not transgressed your commandments, neither have I forgotten them:


You can see from these scripture you just cherry picked what you wanted and not the purpose why God instituted the tithe in the first place.Pls,study the bolded i highlighted carefully can you see it being replayed in the NT?of cos YES.

ACTS 6:1-4
1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples to them, and said, It is not right that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Therefore, brethren, look out from among yourselves seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.


No matter whether we look in the Old or New Testament, God has always expected his people to make a provision for widows and orphans, and we see here that this was one of the uses for the tithes. Helping those who are in hardship like orphans is just an expression of love for people who may be suffering through no fault of their own, and so is part of fulfilling the law (Romans 8:4; 13:10), and the command of Jesus, "You shall love your neighbour as yourself." (Matthew 22:39).

Come to think of it, assuming we are to obey the Law of Tithe today, how ought you think it should be done? would it have eva taken the process, procedure, manner and whateva dimension it is taking today? By now you know the answer!

In this Christian era, we do not have priests again, the bible says Christians are royal priest... and we have only one high priest, Jesus Christ..I Peter 2:9....Pastors are not priest!

who told you pastors are not priest? Are you not a priest? You see how ignorant you re concerning God's word, yet you come here to teach us right?Go read Revelation 5:10 & 1 peter 2:9. I am tired of quoting scriptures abeg.
Individually we are all Kings and Priest i.e every believer in Christ,but corporately we are either Kings or priests.

Corporately, Priest refers to the five fold ministry gifts, while King refers to very believer irrespective of what their jobs/careers are.

Christians giving is of the principle of free will,...what a man purpose in his heart.....God loves(as always) a cheerful giver......Math 5:20, Luke 6:38,I cor 16:1-2, II cor 9:1-15

Hmnn...The cheerful giving includes God's tithe my dear.I know of stingy folks who don't give their 20naira offerings cheerfully na.

Banabas didn't give tithe, he gave all the proceeds from the sales of his property and not to the apostles but to the church..Act 4:32-37

Maybe he did a first fruit principle.Are you surprised?

The Macedonian church gave beyond their ability even though they seems poor ......

And it ascended to God as a sweet smelling savour,They are not poor dear,they are rich in Christ because he saw their hearts.

No wonder Christ said our righteousness should exceed that of the pharisees and Sadducee....Math 5:20

Ok...Maybe 20% is more like it,but you go see more complain na...common 10% hard una...

Christians are under liberty and not under the law of necessity even in giving........

Under the liberty to give 10 naira in churches despite the fact that God has blessed them abi?

Our giving is to the saints and not to the priest.....cos we are priest ourselves

Ok now you have corrected yourself,But Jesus is the High priest na..Why covet His tithe?(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."

I to God through Jesus Christ our Lord to Continue to grant us knowledge wisdom and understanding. Amen

Amen, i also trust you to follow the words of Jesus(God).
According to Jesus' words, if we say that we love him, but do not pay our tithes, then we are a liar, and where would that leave our salvation?

(Revelation 21: "all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

The TITHE as practised in churches today is a FRAUD no matter how you try to twist God's word to support this day light robbery and extortion.

damosky12: This explains the reason why some Christians are'nt as rich as they ought to. It explains why some arnt even rich at all. PAYING YOUR TITHES AND OFFERING IS A PRINCIPLE TO RECIEVING SUPERNATURAL ABUNDANCE.

God said: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground: neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts" - Malachi 3:10-11. Whao! God said all these, not a man's idea. It isnt like a man's idea of making money. God said it. Bishop Oyedepo isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Pastor Chris isnt the one who put it there, GOD DID. Whao! God said "try me, if I will not open the windows of heaven to bless you that there will be no room to contain it. Not just that, He says: after blessing you, He will rebuke devourers for your sake. Whao!!! That is the secret behind "the Kingdom wealth".
Now listen, whether you believe it or not, it doesnt change a thing. Whether you pay tithe or not doesnt affect God's servants. They will still live in stupendous plenty.
Offering and thiting isnt an old testament law, it is God's principle of expanding they that apply it.
"He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much..." - Luke 16:10

The principle to recieving plenty is to be faithful in the little wages, salary, income you earn. Notice, He didnt say "generous". He said "Faithful". That means, You arnt doing God a favour, You are giving Him what is His. Giving Him what is His is what gives you what is yours in Christ

the challenge you have is that you don't know the reason why tithe was paid initially and the fact we are guided by the new testament law today. If you want to learn more about the Bible visit (www.lavistachurchofchrist.org) or (Christiancourier.com). It has helped me a lot and I believe it can help you too.

frosbel: The TITHE as practised in churches today is a FRAUD no matter how you try to twist God's word to support this day light robbery and extortion.

I believe this whole fraud originated from Nigeria. Modern day Nigerian pastors are very smart.

shdemidemi:

They are different because Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Testament simply means covenant

There is the old and there is a new covenant. The old covenant is a earthly shadow of the spiritual new covenant. Unfortunately many still try to mix these two to fit into their blur personal postulations.

But Jesus christ never says that "The old covenant is a earthly shadow of the spiritual new covenant" rather he says "He came to uphold the laws of the Old Testament". meanwhile, he has long gone before the advent of the new testament.

GeneralShepherd: Just by listening to what some unbelievers have to say on
the subject of tithing, it quickly becomes clear that the
modern tithing doctrine undermines the Gospel message and
keeps a lot of people from coming to Christ. It just doesn’t
make any sense that Jesus died freely for our sins yet He
charges us 10% of our income like some kind of club dues
or fees. Something seems fishy because it is. Many
unbelievers refuse to consider the Gospel message because
of this very conflict.

Yes, it is extremely difficult for a non-believer to take Christianity seriously. The message of Jesus was and is short simple and sweet, '' do unto others as you would be done by'' but it all seems so incredibly complicated, partly because the Apostle Paul commanded Christians to ''walk by faith and not by sight'' therefore modern day Christians are unable to comprehend the obvious even if it fell on their heads. The issue of tithing is one of several that has severely undermined Christianity. You have to wonder about a religion that allows all manner of deviants, misogynists and megalomaniacs to perpetrate what amounts to a swindle of global proportions on their unfortunate congregants. Personally I find the religion utterly boring and devoid of any aspirations to a higher consciousness.