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Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by dalhat14(m): 2:25pm On Aug 23, 2013
owolabifunke14: Doctors should consider the stress mothers passes through during gestation period
doctors are not on strike, other health workers are.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Nobody: 2:48pm On Aug 23, 2013
moscobabs: what a bad Nation..I feel not to go back to Nigeria Again

Come back to where! When more pple are vacating? Anyway, u can com bak if u want to die b4 ur time.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Nobody: 2:51pm On Aug 23, 2013
234GT: This could be blessing in disguise for some of those babies. Its better to return to heaven than.......

Staying alive to become citizens of this epileptic nation
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Dbeliever(m): 2:52pm On Aug 23, 2013
Atleast skeletal service be given for goodness sake.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by onagoodday1: 2:55pm On Aug 23, 2013
malele:
Bro government not paying this people like they want is bad, but understand it happen in most jobs in nigeria, people that work in oil companies atimes protest because of salaries,
My point here is leaving those kids to die because u think u are not collecting enough money is sOoooooo bad, u are worse than the government, believe me.

my brother,the strike is not really about money or salaries but mainly for professionalism and separation of duties along the lines of professional qualification,people are fighting to free themselves from the strangulating clutch of medical doctors,people/workers feel that what we run in nigeria is the ministry of doctors and not ministry of health,the medical doctors feels that a lab scientist who through his duty comfirms diagnosis before a doctor could commence treatment is not a professional after five years of education,the ministry of health feels no other person is qualified to head an hospital (an administrative post) except a medical doctor,the medical doctors feels that a clinical pharmacist is not competent enough to prescribe a drug,advice him on drug use etc,the minister of health is a medical doctor and he foolishly thinks a medical doctor is a mr know it all,the disharmony in the health sector is orchestrated by dr ransom kuti and sustained by NMA, The workers feels that as a profesional,they should be allowed to do their job,and what is due to them should be given to them,how can a medical doctor feel he/she can do without the the nurse,if you see the way and manner they order nurses around,you will feel for them, my dear when and anytime the president and the minister of health ensure that everyone does their work according to their professional inclination and compensated as such,then this sort of strike will be a thing of the past.

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Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Chimdim: 3:01pm On Aug 23, 2013
God pls come to our aid and touch them to save innocent ones
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 3:06pm On Aug 23, 2013
armadeo:



So the doctors are the reason health workers are on strike, but from what I read they are not part of the strike.
Interesting. Can u make available the list of demands health workers made for puiblic scrutiny. Thanks
HEALTH STRIKE: FG CONFUSED BY
COURT RULING
August 22, 2013 by | Filed in news | No
comments
Federal government did not implement
the ruling of the National Industrial Court into
its long-running dispute with health workers
because it found the court’s ruling on two
major issues “confusing”, said health minister,
Onyebuchi Chukwu.
But health workers said the ministry agreed to
abide by the ruling even before going to court
and that reneging showed no respect for rule
of law.
The Federal Ministry of Health, embroiled
in industrial dispute with the Joint Health
Sector Unions, appealed the court’s ruling
early August on the advice of its legal counsel.
“The memo [from the counsel to the
FMOH legal unit to the minister] suggested the
minister should allow an appeal by government
on the grounds that the judgement was
confusing,” said Chukwu Thursday afternoon,
hours after support staff in federal
government-run hospitals went on strike.
According to Chukwu, the major confusion
in the ten-point agreement reached between
both sides since May 2012 is the
union’s insistence on skipping (allowing
workers in line to promotion to
principal officials to skip CONHESS 10) and
extending the designation of consultants
to others outside the medical profession in
hospitals.
The ministry expected the court to
decide whether government policy ruling
skipping in any state establishment was
right or wrong, said the minister.
“But the court said because they had
been skipping before, what government should
have done was to negotiate with them.”
The court also ruled government
held prerogative to designate consultants
outside federal hospitals, but that “people who
had been previously given that [appointment]
in error or not should be allowed to enjoy.
On designating consultants outside
federal hospitals, said the minister, the court
ruled appointing consultants was a federal
government prerogative but said existing
appointees should be allowed to remain in
position, while the move is halted.
“It is a bit confusing,” said Chukwu.
“Where the court has agreed it is wrong for
anybody outside the ministry of health
to answer consultant, but if an error has
occured by any agent of the ministry, they
should allow that. It is a bit confusing too.”
Chukwu said government counsel have
served appeal papers on JOHESU but the union
said it categorically received none.
It said FMOH contravened a collective bargain
agreement both sides reached before the
dispute went to court at the request of the
labour ministry.
JOHESU president, Dr Ayuba Wabba, said
four of the 10-point agreement went to court
because the ministry decided it could not
implement them and wanted the court to
“adjudicate on it. And they agreed that
whatever is the pronouncement of the court,
they are going to respect it.”
He said none of the contents of the agreement
had been implemented, and that filing an
appeal was “not a stay on execution” to stop
implementation of the agreements.
Hours after the strike started on
Wednesday midnight, the ministry said it was
ready to meet with JOHESU as early as
Monday to deliberate on ways of ending the
current impasse.
Chukwu said he was still “waiting for
them [JOHESU] to accept the date.”
JOHESU—an umbrella body of
nurses, midwives, allied health professionals in
hospitals and other tertiary institutions—said it
was “open to discussion.”
Meanwhile, hospital activities slowed
as support staff abandoned duty.
Correspondents visiting University of
Abuja Teaching Hospital saw doctors attending
to patients but nursing stations were deserted
and patients had to go outside hospital
premises to buy drugs on
prescription.
Nigerian Medical Association told its members
to remain on duty to guarantee “uninterrupted
services” and urged hospital chiefs to ensure
“adequate security.”
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 3:09pm On Aug 23, 2013
armadeo:



So the doctors are the reason health workers are on strike, but from what I read they are not part of the strike.
Interesting. Can u make available the list of demands health workers made for puiblic scrutiny. Thanks
Health workers begin strike
on August 21, 2013 vanguard
By Sola Ogundipe & Victoria Ojeme
DARK clouds have gathered over the fortunes of
the health sector yet again as workers of all
Federal tertiary health institutions nationwide,
under Joint Health Sector Unions will embark on
an indefinite strike from 12 midnight today.
In a statement issued yesterday, the unions
noted that the strike was called at the expiration
of a 21-day ultimatum issued to government on
the August 1, to accede to the 10-point demand
and agreements reached on May 10, 2012.
The statement was signed by National President
and Secretary-General, Medical & Health
Workers’ Union of Nigeria, Mr. Ayuba Wabba,
and Mr. Marcus Omokhuale, respectively;
National President, National Association of
Universities, Teaching Hospitals, Research
Institutes and Association Institution, Mr. Adeniji
A. and the Ag. General Secretary, National
Association of Nigeria Nurses and Midwives, Mr.
Yusuf Badmus W.
It said members of the unions at the states and
local governments health facilities are expected
to join the strike as from 12 midnight by August
28.
Recalling the events that led to the current face-
off, the unions pointed out that at a meeting
called by the Minister of Labour and
Productivity on Monday, August 19, neither the
Minister of Health nor his representative
attended the meeting.
They also recalled an earlier meeting, where it
was resolved that items agreed upon required
the action of the Ministry of Health on or
before May 29, 2012, to allow the Technical
Working Group commence its sitting.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 3:12pm On Aug 23, 2013
armadeo:



So the doctors are the reason health workers are on strike, but from what I read they are not part of the strike.
Interesting. Can u make available the list of demands health workers made for puiblic scrutiny. Thanks
1. As a result of the obvious unwillingness of the
Federal Ministry of Health to obey and comply
with the judgement of the National Industrial
Court of Nigeria (NICN) regarding the withdrawal
of the obnoxious Non-skipping of CONHESS 10
Circular; Consultants/Specialists allowance
circular and non-implementation of the 2009
Collectively bargained agreement as enshrined in
the CONHESS Circular, the Joint Health Sector
Unions have resolved to embark on an idefinite
and comprehensive industrial action to press
home our demands.
2. The Hon. Minister of Health has refused to
respond to the 21-day Ultimatum earlier
submitted to him by the Unions and the
Assembly of Healthcare Professional
Associations. Neither the Minister nor the his
officials attended the mediation meeting
surmoned by the Hon. Minister of Labour &
Productivity yesterday to address the issues
raised by labour in the ultimatum.
3. The continued violation of statutory schemes
of service and collectively bargainged and signed
agreement by the authorities in the FMOH and
hospitals in Nigeria will no longer be tolerated.
It has therefore become imperative that we have
no choice than to withdraw services to press
home our demands in line with the strike
directive by the Joint Health Sector Unions
(JOHESU).
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by kleenUch: 3:15pm On Aug 23, 2013
If any sector will go on strike at least not health. I weep for my country. God heals.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by holuwarlay08(m): 3:37pm On Aug 23, 2013
Omo See Gobe.............................
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by virie: 3:52pm On Aug 23, 2013
For starters doctors are working nationwide..neither are doctors lording it over other health workers, lab scientists/pharmacists dont own hospitals they own pharmacies and laboratories..it doesnt make sense for either to head a hospital since doctors own hospitals.
As regards the lab scientists confirming a diagnosis doctors can arrive at a diagnosis without lab results on most occasions...we are waiting on the appeal court ruling..in the meanwhile sick people can come to the hospitals jooo..
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 4:01pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie: For starters doctors are working nationwide..neither are doctors lording it over other health workers, lab scientists/pharmacists dont own hospitals they own pharmacies and laboratories..it doesnt make sense for either to head a hospital since doctors own hospitals.
As regards the lab scientists confirming a diagnosis doctors can arrive at a diagnosis without lab results on most occasions...we are waiting on the appeal court ruling..in the meanwhile sick people can come to the hospitals jooo..
Is Doctors the only professional working in an hispital, so how can you said the Doctors own the hospital, he who think he knows all is a fool, the hospital can only be manage by an HEALTH ADMINISTRATORS, tell me what a Doctor knows about administration of an Establishment, when a Doctor is suppose to take care of his/ her patients.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by virie: 4:16pm On Aug 23, 2013
enny09:
Is Doctors the only professional working in an hispital, so how can you said the Doctors own the hospital, he who think he knows all is a fool, the hospital can only be manage by an HEALTH ADMINISTRATORS, tell me what a Doctor knows about administration of an Establishment, when a Doctor is suppose to take care of his/ her patients.
your very funny to say the least..in the private sector do you hear of doctors running pharmacies or laboratories..I'm sure your answer is no..neither do you see the pharmacists or other health professionals being in charge of hospitals..well if want to run hospitals get the laws changed then.. the public sector is a mirror image of the private sector..besides Nigeria is no different from most other countries ..where the system operates as it is currently...if e dey pain u too much go read medicine okay..berra still be civil and await the appeal court ruling.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Hearme(m): 4:27pm On Aug 23, 2013
malele: If u don't like ur work, u resign and look for another one, while close a hospital because dey didn't increase ur wage.

its now their turn to react to government not honoring agreement. For those criticizing ASUU this is just to let you know that there are several agreements not honored by government. Next will be the Resident doctors.

Same reason it took government so long to privatize PHCN is because of the way NITEL staff were treated. When will the ruling class ever learn? I'm suspecting oil increment very soon.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 4:36pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie:
your very funny to say the least..in the private sector do you hear of doctors running pharmacies or laboratories..I'm sure your answer is no..neither do you see the pharmacists or other health professionals being in charge of hospitals..well if want to run hospitals get the laws changed then.. the public sector is a mirror image of the private sector..besides Nigeria is no different from most other countries ..where the system operates as it is currently...if e dey pain u too much go read medicine okay..berra still be civil and await the appeal court ruling.
Your problem is that you dont know the differnce between administration and medical, we have people who study aministration and understand how administration should be run, pharmacist or med. lab. scientist are not saying they want to run the a hospital, they are only saying dont put an accountant to replace a pilot to drive a plane, go to UK, you will underatand who an health administrators,
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Divinetouch(m): 4:37pm On Aug 23, 2013
owolabifunke14: Doctors should consider the stress mothers passes through during gestation period


doctors are not on strike. only pharmacists,nurses,imaging scientist, physiotherapists, lab scientists etc are on strike. The truth is dat d doctors cannot do without these ppl.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by virie: 4:41pm On Aug 23, 2013
enny09:
Your problem is that you dont know the differnce between administration and medical, we have people who study aministration and understand how administration should be run, pharmacist or med. lab. scientist are not saying they want to run the a hospital, they are only saying dont put an accountant to replace a pilot to drive a plane, go to UK, you will underatand who an health administrators,
...guy dis ur English sef!! grin
enny09:
Your problem is that you dont know the differnce between administration and medical, we have people who study aministration and understand how administration should be run, pharmacist or med. lab. scientist are not saying they want to run the a hospital, they are only saying dont put an accountant to replace a pilot to drive a plane, go to UK, you will underatand who an health administrators,
...guy dis ur English sef!!
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 5:03pm On Aug 23, 2013
[quote author=virie]
...guy dis ur English sef!! grin
...guy dis ur English sef!![/qu
English Man, dats the truth, the fact that many things are wrong in this country does not mean everyone should keep quiet, if a doctor kill a patient due to his negligence, who will investigate him, when doctors are the head of a hospitals, even madman will never rope himself when guilty
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Nobody: 5:05pm On Aug 23, 2013
Symphony007: healthcare is humanitarian? So the workers don't have farmilies to fend for? Bill to pay? Lives to live? Go find out what better nations pay first responders and health care personels. And the workers did'nt just go on strike, the sue the government and won, yet the govt. Refused to honour the terms. Reconciliation meeting were called and the govt. Ignored them. What do you expert? Don't you see anything wrong in a politician earning millions and a nurse earning peanuts? A price must be paid for change.
How would you feel if your child is that price?.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by onagoodday1: 5:31pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie: For starters doctors are working nationwide..neither are doctors lording it over other health workers, lab scientists/pharmacists dont own hospitals they own pharmacies and laboratories..it doesnt make sense for either to head a hospital since doctors own hospitals.
As regards the lab scientists confirming a diagnosis doctors can arrive at a diagnosis without lab results on most occasions...we are waiting on the appeal court ruling..in the meanwhile sick people can come to the hospitals jooo..

so the labs and the pharmacies in the hospital are owned by the doctors,imagine how u displayed your ignorance by saying that doctors due arrive @ most diagnosis without scientific investigation,this is how you have turned our hospital into abatoirs,the earlier doctors leave health helm of affairs the better for us all..nonsense!!!

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Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 5:35pm On Aug 23, 2013
honey86:
How would you feel if your child is that price?.
what you dont understand is that a graduate who is professional in is own field i.e pharmacist, med. lab. scientist are been oppress while discharging dia duty by another professional i.e Doctor, and you expect them to keep working under such condition, in dia own country.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by onagoodday1: 5:36pm On Aug 23, 2013
honey86:
How would you feel if your child is that price?.

Prof onyebuchi should be the price that must be paid
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by onagoodday1: 5:38pm On Aug 23, 2013
enny09:
what you dont understand is that a graduate who is professional in is own field i.e pharmacist, med. lab. scientist are been oppress while discharging dia duty by another professional i.e Doctor, and you expect him to keep working under such condition, in his own country.

My brother help me askam o
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by abugbe(m): 5:43pm On Aug 23, 2013
The destiny of dis country is only in the hands of GOD.
Imagine Great country, Great Nation, Gaint of Africa, Gaint of problems surround us. GOD please come to our rescure.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by shynbritly: 5:49pm On Aug 23, 2013
Strike! Strike! Strike.
This is to notify the general public that the services of medical Doctors are no longer needed in this country. Nurses pls Tek Over.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by onagoodday1: 5:58pm On Aug 23, 2013
shynbritly: Strike! Strike! Strike.
This is to notify the general public that the services of medical Doctors are no longer needed in this country. Nurses pls Tek Over.

gbam!!!!
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 6:05pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie:
your very funny to say the least..in the private sector do you hear of doctors running pharmacies or laboratories..I'm sure your answer is no..neither do you see the pharmacists or other health professionals being in charge of hospitals..well if want to run hospitals get the laws changed then.. the public sector is a mirror image of the private sector..besides Nigeria is no different from most other countries ..where the system operates as it is currently...if e dey pain u too much go read medicine okay..berra still be civil and await the appeal court ruling.
we have politicized everything in nigeria instead of letting professional handle things, look what we have turn our health sector into, a reasonable person know that when only doctors said something is right and all other professonal in health sector i.e pharmacist, med. lab. scientist, nursing, physiotherapy, Dietician and so on said something is not right, then we all know people who are afraid of change for the best of the patients due to dia selfish intrest.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by virie: 6:08pm On Aug 23, 2013
on a good day:


so the labs and the pharmacies in the hospital are owned by the doctors,imagine how u displayed your ignorance by saying that doctors due arrive @ most diagnosis without scientific investigation,this is how you have turned our hospital into abatoirs,the earlier doctors leave health helm of affairs the better for us all..nonsense!!!
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you are obviously very ignorant..diagnosis is clinical in most instances that doesn't rule out lab work ..I'm sure you work in one of those abattoirs you talked about..it's obvious your grouse is against doctors not necessarily because you want a better health sector..stop the beef...doctors aren't anti-other health affiliates..
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 6:10pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie:
your very funny to say the least..in the private sector do you hear of doctors running pharmacies or laboratories..I'm sure your answer is no..neither do you see the pharmacists or other health professionals being in charge of hospitals..well if want to run hospitals get the laws changed then.. the public sector is a mirror image of the private sector..besides Nigeria is no different from most other countries ..where the system operates as it is currently...if e dey pain u too much go read medicine okay..berra still be civil and await the appeal court ruling.
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by enny09: 6:22pm On Aug 23, 2013
virie: .
you are obviously very ignorant..diagnosis is clinical in most instances that doesn't rule out lab work ..I'm sure you work in one of those abattoirs you talked about..it's obvious your grouse is against doctors not necessarily because you want a better health sector..stop the beef...doctors aren't anti-other health affiliates..
if doctors aren't anti-other health professionals y is every professional in the health sector saying thesame thing, atleast one out of all d professional should have come out and defend the Doctors
Re: Premature Babies Abandoned At Makurdi Federal Medical Center Due To Strike by Nobody: 6:29pm On Aug 23, 2013
on a good day:


my brother,the strike is not really about money or salaries but mainly for professionalism and separation of duties along the lines of professional qualification,people are fighting to free themselves from the strangulating clutch of medical doctors,people/workers feel that what we run in nigeria is the ministry of doctors and not ministry of health,the medical doctors feels that a lab scientist who through his duty comfirms diagnosis before a doctor could commence treatment is not a professional after five years of education,the ministry of health feels no other person is qualified to head an hospital (an administrative post) except a medical doctor,the medical doctors feels that a clinical pharmacist is not competent enough to prescribe a drug,advice him on drug use etc,the minister of health is a medical doctor and he foolishly thinks a medical doctor is a mr know it all,the disharmony in the health sector is orchestrated by dr ransom kuti and sustained by NMA, The workers feels that as a profesional,they should be allowed to do their job,and what is due to them should be given to them,how can a medical doctor feel he/she can do without the the nurse,if you see the way and manner they order nurses around,you will feel for them, my dear when and anytime the president and the minister of health ensure that everyone does their work according to their professional inclination and compensated as such,then this sort of strike will be a thing of the past.
10000 LIKES...IMAGINE THE FORMER CMD OF LUTH TELLING NURSES IN 2003 DAT PATIENTS BELONG ONLY TO THE DOCTORS..THERE SHULD BE RESPECT OF INDIVIDUAL PROFESIONALISM

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