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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by ichommy(m): 4:21pm On Aug 29, 2013
NoContract: All because of Eternal Life things abi?

Keep going to church hating your neighbour!

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by Chidoks(f): 4:29pm On Aug 29, 2013
the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by mencade5(m): 4:34pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.
dont harm them *let them use our offering and tithes to satisfy their needs while we go hungry*
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by everyday: 4:36pm On Aug 29, 2013
Thanks for the explanation
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by yorubadguy: 4:38pm On Aug 29, 2013
mencade5: dont harm them *let them use our offering and tithes to satisfy their needs while we go hungry*

Then stop paying tithe! They put gun for ur head?

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by theoctopus: 4:39pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

What you have just posted is what is called the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. This was a sect of heretical people who tried to infiltrate the early church. Our Lord Jesus warned us against them in the book of revelation (Rev 2:1->wink. The devil has again brought these doctrines into the gathering of God's people in recent years.

Everything you wrote is called doctrines of men and of devils. If you are truly born again, you would have spoken God's word, not your human doctrines. God's Word is the foundation of true Christianity. Anything outside of God's Word is from the devil.

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?

You cannot cure a single cell. Healing is done by the Holy Spirit. All you are asked to do is pray or speak the word. God's Holy spirit does the healing. That means it has absolutely nothing to do with how "much of a man of God" you are. A baby Christian, who just got born again today can obtain as much healing from God as much as any "man of God". God is no respecter of persons and has no preferences when answering prayers. Some deacons in the early church, like Steven, had more spectacular miracles than the apostles. You are way way out of scriptures.

b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?

Mark 16:15- says the signs shall follow them that believe. It didnt say the signs shall follow the "men of God" or the "highly annointed men". If you think God does miracles because he thinks the person asking for it is special, then you need to go back to God's word

c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?

This is very ridiculous. Do you think the Holy Spirit is your messenger? Do you think any man can determine how fast a healing will occur? Your are insulting the Holy Spirit with this your post. God is not your messenger. The principle of healing and miracles is based on faith, not on the person doing the praying. A small kid can have more faith than a man who has been born again for 50 years. Do you know that there were cities where Jesus could not perform any miracles. It didnt say Jesus did not, it said he "could" not. Why? Because of their unbelief. No man of God can force a miracle out of God without the involvement of the faith of those involved. Some of the miracles you see today are sorcery. Moses struck a rock and water came out but God was angry with Moses and he didnt enter the promised land. That is because you can access spiritual principles and perform miracles but it wouldnt be from God and it wouldnt have Gods approval. Many so called men of God are operating in this realm


d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?

See the paragrapghs above

e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?


This is witchcraft. You are supposed to intercede and pray for evil men, not decree their death. Are you a spiritual assassin?

h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

This is not a "man of God". This is the work of a diviner. That anyone can perform a miracle doesnt make him a man of God or doesnt mean he has God's approval. There is a purpose for miracles. Miracles are not for show off.


Please read Deuteronomy 13. It will enligthen you about the workings of God. You need to repent and go back to God

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by theoctopus: 4:41pm On Aug 29, 2013
Chidoks: the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!

Why are you speaking like an unbeliever? A Christian will never speak like this. No man can destroy the church except you are referring to man made denominations.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by gidjah(m): 4:46pm On Aug 29, 2013
in as much as u r on course. op, pls dnt forget we r saved by grace n faith nt works, ds salvation wasn't evenfor us if u cn recall, ( we r gentiles hu had acess to salvation prepared 4 d jews n co, ) we r also expected to appropriate scriptures to our selves as children of God n joint heirs. also as father abraham s children claim ds blessing s upon ur self n house hold.We r all anointed as u earlier said, yes we all hv access to God but wit wt speed n accuracy do we receive full net work communications frm BABA?? pls dnt b deceived power pass power even in d small church setting s we passone anoda via d grace of God upon one anoda.while I hv bin communing wt God for d success of our forth comin sat program in d church wt fasting n praying& my fellow bro or SIS has bin eating n drinking all d while, u think we r gonna be at d same level approaching God OP?? Ha ba bro, our closeness to God differs frm pesns to pesns, that's y our relationship wt God is at various levels too
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by touchmeder: 4:47pm On Aug 29, 2013
This is fantastic stuff from the throne of grace.my spirit man was sooooooo xcited reading this.God bless you richly op. May God's children in this day and age learn very well and be educated.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by jpphilips(m): 4:50pm On Aug 29, 2013
infonubia:
I attend Dominion International Center

Isnt that a school?
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by frainc(m): 4:54pm On Aug 29, 2013
I hardly comment on topic like this
but to be honest with you here
you just typed what has been on my mind for long

thanks for shearing what i call "the truth" here

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by infonubia(m): 5:09pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

As much I wouldn't want to get in an argument with you over this matter, it is important to note that the story of "Jesus I know, Paul I know" which you referenced needs to be clarified. Read Acts 19:11-14 again

Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We[a] exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.

These people did not believe in Jesus! does being the son of a priest make you a priest?

Also, please note that the points made in the post are purely from a biblical standpoint, not out of sentiments. I read your response and I don't see where you mentioned that according to the Bible, the working of miracles (and everything else listed in your question) is only reserved for men such as the ones you spotlighted.

I think your question should be why aren't we doing these things if the Bible is explicitly clear in John 1:12 that the power to become children of God is for as many that believe.

Lastly, this post is not meant to disrespect any leaders in the faith but to let folks understand that it is important to study the scripture and understand it for yourself. Again, God has no grandchildren.

Thanks for commenting.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by infonubia(m): 5:11pm On Aug 29, 2013
jp philips:

Isnt that a school?
hahaha, really, its a Church - www.dicspring.org
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by theoctopus: 5:15pm On Aug 29, 2013
Deuteronomy 13

New International Version (NIV)

13 [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere.

Deuteronomy 13

The Message (MSG)

13 1-4 When a prophet or visionary gets up in your community and gives out a miracle-sign or wonder, and the miracle-sign or wonder that he gave out happens and he says, “Let’s follow other gods” (these are gods you know nothing about), “let’s worship them,” don’t pay any attention to what that prophet or visionary says. God, your God, is testing you to find out if you totally love him with everything you have in you. You are to follow only God, your God, hold him in deep reverence, keep his commandments, listen obediently to what he says, serve him—hold on to him for dear life!


Miracles does not show that God is with someone.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by touchmeder: 5:19pm On Aug 29, 2013
gidjah: in as much as u r on course. op, pls dnt forget we r saved by grace n faith nt works, ds salvation wasn't evenfor us if u cn recall, ( we r gentiles hu had acess to salvation prepared 4 d jews n co, ) we r also expected to appropriate scriptures to our selves as children of God n joint heirs. also as father abraham s children claim ds blessing s upon ur self n house hold.We r all anointed as u earlier said, yes we all hv access to God but wit wt speed n accuracy do we receive full net work communications frm BABA?? pls dnt b deceived power pass power even in d small church setting s we passone anoda via d grace of God upon one anoda.while I hv bin communing wt God for d success of our forth comin sat program in d church wt fasting n praying& my fellow bro or SIS has bin eating n drinking all d while, u think we r gonna be at d same level approaching God OP?? Ha ba bro, our closeness to God differs frm pesns to pesns, that's y our relationship wt God is at various levels too
And how in heavens name does this in any way shape or form proove we quote scriptures out of contex to suit non applicable circumstances.how does what you have explained still show touch not my annointed applies exclusiveley to my pastor only?

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by gbemilekan: 5:21pm On Aug 29, 2013
I will like to add. One of the definition of foolishness is failure to realise that the more you know the more you really don't know. Writer think about it!
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by Nobody: 5:28pm On Aug 29, 2013
i feel you brother...always good to tell who people are by their works not mere words.For by their fruits ye know them.
We all are God's children and our works of righteousness is what counts.
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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by tujays(m): 5:35pm On Aug 29, 2013
its only nigerians that are been deceived by those craps gringrin
infonubia: "..Saying, Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm..." - Psalms 105:15.

Someone once told me that " when a man takes the TEXT out of CONTEXT, he becomes a CON - An instance of deceiving or tricking someone".

And in my experience in church and "Christianese" that is what God's word has become to many of us, a means to an end.

We want money we quote "..Give and it shall be given to you..", meanwhile that scripture has nothing to do with money.

When we want to teach people greed that we call Prosperity, we quote "..money answereth all things...", but on the contrary, that scripture points out clearly those things that money have answers to, if only we would read in context and not read our GREED into HIS CREED!

One of those scriptures we've misused and quote out of context is Ps. 105.15. An individual in the place of leadership, within the body of Christ has misused his/her authority or abused his/her office, instead of taking up the cloak of humility, we respond with either by citing the story of Moses and his siblings in Numbers 12:4-10, then back it up with Ps. 105.15 or 'we' place people under a curse { I wonder if we understand scriptures at all ... we place God's people under a curse, after that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us} HABA!!! O ga ooo. I hope to look into that another time, if God wills.

The truth about Psalms 105:15.

This psalm was written by David, it was first delivered up into the hands of Asaph (a Levite, Chief of those appointed by David, to minister before the Ark of God) and his brethren in the day they brought the Ark of God into the midst of tent that David pitched (that is what the bible would latter call the tabernacle of David).

This Psalm was PROBABLY rewritten (or formatted, in today's language) as additional verses were latter seen to be added, which were not originally there. Compare [1 Chronicles 16:8-36 <=WITH=> Ps. 105:1-15(THEN check verses 16-45 of Ps. 105)]

Who is [are] the anointed [ones] and the prophets?

1. This Psalm was a psalm of thanksgiving from the position of what God has done in the history past of Israel as a nation or a people. So David was not talking about himself or someone or some people in the future.

2. Read this scripture from any translation, you will discover that it is talking about a COMMUNITY of people not AN INDIVIDUAL!!!

Read Ps. 105. from verses 12-15
When they were few in number, Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
When they went from one nation to another, From one kingdom to another people,
He permitted no one to do them wrong; Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,
Saying, 'Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm.'

These verses summarize the past of this community of people, and how God kept them.

There are three major events in scriptures that spells out what these verses are talking about:

a.) Dinah, Jacob's daughter got raped: Gen 34:1-35:1-5.

When Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite raped Dinah and afterwards will want to marry her, Simeon and Levi her brothers through deception killed all the males in that city because of what Shechem had done to their sister.

Hear what Jacob said from where the statement "When they were few in number" came in Gen. 34:30
Then Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, You have troubled me by making me obnoxious among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites; and since I AM FEW IN NUMBER [ did you see that? ], they will gather themselves together against me and kill me. I shall be destroyed, my household and I.

See how verses Ps. 105:15 then occur in this case: Gen. 35:5
..And they journeyed, and the terror of God was upon the cities that were all around them, and they did not pursue the sons of Jacob...

So, the anointed [ones] and the prophets here is the whole community not just an individual. [For the record, Simeon and Levi were punished for that action later by their father.]

b.) Twice, Abraham traded his wife for his safety: Gen.12:10-20,20:1-18.

If you read these verses,
When they went from one nation to another, From one kingdom to another people,
He permitted no one to do them wrong;Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,..

You wonder how? This correlate with the life and times of Abraham. He had married his own sister i.e Sarah (from the same father but NOT the same mother). She was very pretty so much that at an old age of Sixty plus, kings were still "running" after her. Abraham knew that his wife was beautiful so he had a pact with her saying " always tell them you are my sister!" for his own safety.

Twice, this happened, and twice God rebuked kings!! In fact, in one case, God told the king in a dream you are a dead man. Why? "....because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man's wife.?" and called Abraham a prophet, who will pray healing for him and his household "Now therefore, restore the man?s wife; for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you shall live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours.?"

God was not only protecting Abraham here, he was also protecting Sarah and all of their household that later became a nation.

These were the primary events that form the backdrop on which these verses 12-15 of Psalm 105 was written.

Who then are the anointed [ones] now?

Please let me quickly say that these gifts of Christ as stated in Ephesians 4:11-16, has nothing to do with TITLES or POSITIONS. I wonder why we have Pastor so and so, Apostle so and so, etc but we don't have Teacher so and so. These gifts of Christ were given (not attained or achieved) for FUNCTIONS!

So, who are those that are anointed, If we are to "apply" the scripture Psalms 105.15 today?

a.) Scripturally, Psalms 105:15, is for our exhortation not "shut-ING-up" words. To see what God has done in the past, and so believing in him that he would keep his words in the NOW.

b.) You will also notice that the scripture is not for a certain individual within the community against another group of persons within THAT family or THAT community of anointed ones and prophets! In fact, God used the plural PROPHETS!!! NOT PROPHET!! Read any translation!

c.) We are all ANOINTED !!!

That is God's word!
..But you have an anointing [unction] from the Holy One, and you all know..... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him [ the anointing is not OIL, it is a person ]. 1 John 2:20,27,
Of course you have to read from the verse 1 to see these in context.

In conclusion: There is of course, a place of honor for those who labor and who are put in charge as leaders or Shepherd by God [ We are all the same before God, it's our functions that defers, just like body parts ].

However, we are charged by scripture "..Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith...", it is when we do this that we realize that Jesus is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. Why? Because what God is working in their lives following the Lord, will be the same if we follow him so!

We are to CONSIDER the OUTCOME of their way of LIFE and FOLLOW their FAITH!!! God doesn't have grandchildren!!!

Clearly it obvious that Psalms 105:15 is not the exclusive reserve of the elitists within the church!

I can only Pray that the Lord grant you understanding in all these things!!

- Timothy Adigun

http://www.infonubia.com/2013/08/the-lie-we-preached-from-pulpit.html
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by eph12(m): 5:39pm On Aug 29, 2013
I don't like contributing to this kind of topics but i must commend d op 4 his insightful contribution. Though i still think there are heirachies even in spiritual things. Thanks

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by anytexy: 6:15pm On Aug 29, 2013
OP, indeed u have a point up there, but dn't u think if we should go by these ur points there will be no need for us to have pastors in churches any longer. Am of the opinion that all we need to do as christains is to apply wisdom and knw when we are giving God's glory to (anointed) pastors. The truth is that scripturally God gave all his servants different gifts and we must need one another to run this heavenly race.
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by theoctopus: 6:33pm On Aug 29, 2013
anytexy: OP, indeed u have a point up there, but dn't u think if we should go by these ur points there will be no need for us to have pastors in churches any longer. Am of the opinion that all we need to do as christains is to apply wisdom and knw when we are giving God's glory to (anointed) pastors. The truth is that scripturally God gave all his servants different gifts and we must need one another to run this heavenly race.

There are only 2 positions in the local church. The elders and the deacons. The deacons where created by the apostles as men who will help serve amongst the people. People who will take care of administering material things. The elders are the shepherds. Pastors, bishops are elders. Elders does not mean old men but men who have come to much knowledge about the faith. These men are expected to lead and teach the brethren. There is no high priest in the new testament. Jesus is our high priest and he does not and will never delegate that function to any other man.

1 Timothy 2:5
There is one God and one mediator between God and man. The man Christ Jesus.

Notice it said, the "man" Christ Jesus. Not the God, Christ Jesus. This was referring to Jesus as a man. So no other man can claim he is the mediator. God has no grandchildren. God has no man standing in between him and other men. Pastors are not priests. They are also not like old testament prophets. Their job is to teach and help build the body of Christ, not rule them or stand as mediators for them. Not go to God for them. The veil has been torn into two. All these "men of God" doctrine only seek to negate the death and resurrection of Christ. It seeks to negate the grace of God. It seeks to rubbish the salvation of men. Never put your salvation or christian walk in the hands of another man. No man can save you. It is doctrines of devils. Some now say that their destiny is tied to their "man of God". This is terrible heresy and a rejection of God's grace and salvation. It is a very serious sin. Awake thou that sleepest. Go back to your first love.


Revelation 2

New Living Translation (NLT)
The Message to the Church in Ephesus

2 “Write this letter to the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus. This is the message from the one who holds the seven stars in his right hand, the one who walks among the seven gold lampstands:

2 “I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars. 3 You have patiently suffered for me without quitting.

4 “But I have this complaint against you. You don’t love me or each other as you did at first![b] 5 Look how far you have fallen! Turn back to me and do the works you did at first. If you don’t repent, I will come and remove your lampstand from its place among the churches. 6 But this is in your favor: You hate the evil deeds of the Nicolaitans, just as I do.

7 “Anyone with ears to hear must listen to the Spirit and understand what he is saying to the churches. To everyone who is victorious I will give fruit from the tree of life in the paradise of God.

Revelation 2

King James Version (KJV)

2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by phlamy(m): 6:42pm On Aug 29, 2013
This goes a long way to show how some of us have been brain washed and kept in perceptual zoo.
We no longer have the privilege to think for ourselves, scriptures are now taught to us based on fear.
Everything now is about fear for the person in charge and like someone said earlier,can you place
a curse on someone who was cured from any curse by the blood of Jesus.
The best of men are still men at their very best

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by omenka(m): 7:24pm On Aug 29, 2013
theoctopus:

What you have just posted is what is called the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. This was a sect of heretical people who tried to infiltrate the early church. Our Lord Jesus warned us against them in the book of revelation (Rev 2:1->wink. The devil has again brought these doctrines into the gathering of God's people in recent years.

Everything you wrote is called doctrines of men and of devils. If you are truly born again, you would have spoken God's word, not your human doctrines. God's Word is the foundation of true Christianity. Anything outside of God's Word is from the devil.



You cannot cure a single cell. Healing is done by the Holy Spirit. All you are asked to do is pray or speak the word. God's Holy spirit does the healing. That means it has absolutely nothing to do with how "much of a man of God" you are. A baby Christian, who just got born again today can obtain as much healing from God as much as any "man of God". God is no respecter of persons and has no preferences when answering prayers. Some deacons in the early church, like Steven, had more spectacular miracles than the apostles. You are way way out of scriptures.



Mark 16:15- says the signs shall follow them that believe. It didnt say the signs shall follow the "men of God" or the "highly annointed men". If you think God does miracles because he thinks the person asking for it is special, then you need to go back to God's word



This is very ridiculous. Do you think the Holy Spirit is your messenger? Do you think any man can determine how fast a healing will occur? Your are insulting the Holy Spirit with this your post. God is not your messenger. The principle of healing and miracles is based on faith, not on the person doing the praying. A small kid can have more faith than a man who has been born again for 50 years. Do you know that there were cities where Jesus could not perform any miracles. It didnt say Jesus did not, it said he "could" not. Why? Because of their unbelief. No man of God can force a miracle out of God without the involvement of the faith of those involved. Some of the miracles you see today are sorcery. Moses struck a rock and water came out but God was angry with Moses and he didnt enter the promised land. That is because you can access spiritual principles and perform miracles but it wouldnt be from God and it wouldnt have Gods approval. Many so called men of God are operating in this realm



See the paragrapghs above



This is witchcraft. You are supposed to intercede and pray for evil men, not decree their death. Are you a spiritual assassin?



This is not a "man of God". This is the work of a diviner. That anyone can perform a miracle doesnt make him a man of God or doesnt mean he has God's approval. There is a purpose for miracles. Miracles are not for show off.


Please read Deuteronomy 13. It will enligthen you about the workings of God. You need to repent and go back to God
I must admit, i'm impressed!
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by Kingspin(m): 7:30pm On Aug 29, 2013
The world cannot be perfect and dnt expect one either, that's why the race is between you and your God.
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by alexleo(m): 7:40pm On Aug 29, 2013
Chidoks: the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!

Its like you are one those people who are intimidating your members with touch not my anointed? Be careful not to miss heaven because nobody tells you where you are wrong. When you can't accept correction from human being, is it the still small voice of the Holy Spirit that you won't supress with your pride or whatever?

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by luluosas(m): 7:48pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.
I don't seem to get you. Raising one from the dead, calling fire and brimstone from the sky, or performing extra ordinary signs and wonders as a pastor does not in anyway make anybody more special to others.
In fact, Jesus said that, a lot of these miracle workers who some of see as super human and have equally idolised as mini gods will be disappointed on the last day.
A lot of us have now shifted importance to the working 'gifts' (power gifts) of the Holy Spirit, which have no heavenly use whatsoever, instead of concentrating on the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, which is more important and has heavenly usage as well.
The fact that T. B. Joshua can prophesy and it come to pass does not make him (T. B. Joshua) a more Christian than myself. Please, let's realise that all of us irrespective of what we are called, occupied the same position in Christ. The only difference between Christian A and Christian B is the application of our individual faith and remember, it is the same Holy Spirit that empowers us, even as Jesus Christ said, if you have faith like the grain.....
God bless you.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by infonubia(m): 7:50pm On Aug 29, 2013
Chidoks: the
op messed things up by analyzing the scripture carnally.a carnal mind
cannever understand the scriptures!!!op you can never understand the
scriptures until u repent and get baptized in the holyghost.
stop being an instrument in the hands of the devil!!!stop attempting to destroy the church of Christ!!!u are way too small!!!
wow...such ignorance!

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by bosa1(m): 8:34pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.
'won de ooooo, awon omo leyin pastors.' my brother b4 God we are all christ like. shikenah.

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Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by iykedancastro(m): 8:36pm On Aug 29, 2013
stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.
bull-crap!! With due respect u seem to me as a miracle seeker!! Tell me wch is greater power to win lost souls or dat to perform d so-called miracles!! Plss heed d op's advice pick up ur bible n read stop being a baby christian waiting to b feed!! With d holy spirit comes d understanding of His word! Only God knows his people!
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by trolling(m): 8:42pm On Aug 29, 2013
One Faith, One Baptism, One Adonai... All "denom" inations be thieves.
Re: The Lie "We" Preached From The Pulpit.... by Slowvenom(m): 8:43pm On Aug 29, 2013
If u av understnding, av it 2 d glory of God, dnt use it 2 disregard dos who dos nt kno cos u r nt a peft jug, if u wnt 2 bring light of d gosple b polite. Bsid I lv pple dat study 2 kno beta. Cheer.

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