@Stagger, I am sorry if I differ in ur opinion about wht ds person wrote. Obviously, d article did not castigate any of our fathers in d faith,n u can not fault any sentence in dt article because it is word based...
Now ur response to d article only shows a level of Biblical illiteracy we ve in our generation. To start with, anointing is not measured by d number of miracle, it is measured by ur obedience to divine instruction..I dont know wht u were tought o, but, u dont have to be a great man of God to raise d dead, stop rain, heal d sick etc, it is a function of faith n calling...So where will u place those who never raised d dead yet, translated d scripture to other language? wht of d missionaries crying to heaven day n night in d arab world, yet with 'few or no soul YET' to show for it. If u were to gudge d prophets like Isaiah n Ezekiel by ur standard of conversion, they wud be termed failure, cos God told them they will speak to d household of Israel, yet the people will not listen to them. U see, everyone u mentioned in ur 'attack response' can only PRAY, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THAT ANSWERS PRAYER. If God chooses not to answer, u will see dt nothing can be done, no Supertar anywhere, It is d office they occupy God is honouring, no big deal. I hve been on d mission field to see dt any little boy or girl can cast out 'strong Demon'...We are all sons and daughters of d most high. Of cause we MUST honour our Pastors wit highest level of respect we cud, but d truth is God has no grandchildren...for ur information, Baba Adeboye, Baba kumuyi, Gbile Akani, Oyedepo, Wale Oke,me(because i know i'm redeemed), whoever u are looking up to in ds kingdom are only running to hear a simple statement frm d mouth of d master: welcome, thou gud n faithful SERVANT'.....or u think ur Driver is better dan ur househelp? its a matter of dutypost....u can raise d dead sir, u can stop d rain....d code is giben already in d scripture....if u ve faith like ds murstad seed....U sound like miracle authenticate level of anointing, John d baptist never raise d dead...grow up and stop talking miracle

luluosas:
My dear, I love you hence my warning to you. See what Jesus Christ said and then think it over, if I am just asking you to withdraw your language for nothing. Thank you.

Jesus Christ also told the rich man to go sell all his property and give to the poor and he walked away...so you better go tell that to your materialistic pastors,always craving material possessions-let them know that man can not serve both God and Mammon.
Let them know that the excess money should be used for the widows and orphans,let them know that when the Bible stated-Give and it should be given unto you,the Bible did not say "give to your pastors" it means we should give to our neighbours,give to our brothers,give to the the most vulnerable of the society.
Hence tell them to stop saying if one does not give he will not make it,because our God blesses us regardless.
Look at the richest men in the world are there "born agains"?
God does not weigh successes according to the way we do.
It is more important to God that we live righteously than we make money.
"it is easier for a Camel to walk through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kigdom of God"
So it is totally wrong for them to cajole people into giving by quoting all these scriptures out of context.
And you talk to your self,preach to your brothers and sisters...you can't tell me shit.hypocrites.
you all are bloody hypocrites,you love the false Christianity we practice in this country.you are blind open your eyes before you try opening mine-words of hypocrites mean nothing to me.
Most of the youths going into crime are carried away by the extravagant life-styles of politicians and pastors.

Good writeup containing many facts. The only part I wanna correct here is imitation of faith of other anointed. We only show our weaknesses when we imitate faith. Faith isn't imitated but comes by hearing and reading of the word and also acting on it. Most men of whatever like hiding under the statement "touch not my anointed" to prevent themselves from the consequences of their wrong doings. May God help us

iamdsam: Good writeup containing many facts. The only part I wanna correct here is imitation of faith of other anointed. We only show our weaknesses when we imitate faith. Faith isn't imitated but comes by hearing and reading of the world and also acting on it. Most men of whatever like hiding under the statement "touch not my anointed" to prevent themselves from the consequences of their wrong doings. May God help us

That is tru, i know two big so called great man of god who have money in coutries where they pay very low tax, to keep the money safe when something happen in nigeria and they can fly every time with there private jet to an other country and they have enough money outside nigeria so that they will not suffer.

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

Brother, do not be deceived. We are all christians and all have the same access to the same God. The difference between these categories of people is excercisig the faith you have. Nothing more. If I take my time to dwell and meditate on the word of God, commiting my self to it and by faith putting his word to work, I can do all these thing you have mentioned and i said this wil all humility. I must not open a church for this.

There are many doing wonders but are not known world wide due to no publicity. This does not mean the publicised ones are the "only prophets" of God.

Brother please do not teach false thing and try to limit people in God's kingdom.

Revolva: yes @op i support you...so where did cain go to marry when he went far east....who did he marry? dat one dem never tell us till date

Cain married his relative. the hint could be deduced from the genesis account.

@Afro connect, you are getting me very wrong and you also concentrating your attention to what one rich pastor or the other is doing. My dear friend, this is not the best for you. Do you know why? These pastors you keep pointing your fingers at are mere human beings just like you. They will stand for their own judgment alone, just the same way you will stand for your own alone.
See, I am a member of RCCG and I will tell you one thing. When pastor Adeboye recently asked for a 1 billion naira donations from individual wealthy members of the church, I faulted him. Why? If RCCG have rich men (not politicians) that can conveniently donate 1 billion naira to build a 3km X 3km auditorium in the RCCG camp, why will parishes owned by the same RCCG be folding up for a mere N1,000 monthly house rent?
Therefore, my asking you to change your language has nothing to do with any attachment to any rich or poor pastor. I hope you understand me now. Thank you.

Here is my earlier post to you.
My dear, I love you hence my warning to you. See what Jesus Christ said and then think it over, if I am just asking you to withdraw your language for nothing. Thank you.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

2map: Wait, did you see that too? So, there are some added verses in the bible and rephrased ones. No wonder there is confusion, why would some group of people think the original word of God is not good enough, all to replace it by the fake. Does anyone mind explaining?

I dont think that the op is saying that their are added verses in the bible, but that some people quote out of context for their selfish agrandisement.

dmighty: U see, everyone u mentioned in ur 'attack response' can only PRAY, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THAT ANSWERS PRAYER. If God chooses not to answer, u will see dt nothing can be done, no Supertar anywhere, It is d office they occupy God is honouring, no big deal. I hve been on d mission field to see dt any little boy or girl can cast out 'strong Demon'...We are all sons and daughters of d most high. Of cause we MUST honour our Pastors wit highest level of respect we cud, but d truth is God has no grandchildren...for ur information, Baba Adeboye, Baba kumuyi, Gbile Akani, Oyedepo, Wale Oke,me(because i know i'm redeemed), whoever u are looking up to in ds kingdom are only running to hear a simple statement frm d mouth of d master: welcome, thou gud n faithful SERVANT'.....or u think ur Driver is better dan ur househelp? its a matter of dutypost....u can raise d dead sir, u can stop d rain....d code is giben already in d scripture....if u ve faith like ds murstad seed....U sound like miracle authenticate level of anointing, John d baptist never raise d dead...grow up and stop talking miracle

Including me because I am redemmed. Thank you for this little write up. This is just a final answer to all d arguement here. more grace.

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

My brother, to me you have explained in details what my humble posters shared. Everybody cannot perform the same function. The names of those pastors you listed are performing their functions. Like i will tell you, there are differences between GIFTS and FRUITS. e.g 1st Corithians 13:2 '....gift of prophecy' and Galatians '.... fruit of the Spirit'. Pst. Adeboye and Bishop Oyedepo do not have the level or number of gifts, and some gifts are more visible in one than the other. So because of that will you now compare them that one is a captain and the other a general? NO. Why? Because its not given to them for any man to boast of it. God looked down to see if there be any righteous man but found none. In heaven, we will all be like angels; no man or woman. Like my humble poster said in 1 John 2 : 27 '.... the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,...' that means as many whom the anointing abideth in are ANOITED. It is the same anointing that is abiding in everyone that is born of God. To conclude, it is not by works or what you can do. To add 1 John 2: 29 '... everyone that doeth righteousness is born of him'. In as much as you're born of him, the same anointing abides in you.

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians....

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Matthew 7:22-23.

Your fixation with signs and wonders is responsible for the inability to comprehend the truth contained in the OP's thread. In one breath, you admit and accept that we are all anointed while in the same breath, you reveal that you're more impressed with 'miracles' as the only evidence of anointing. My only advice is that you should study and meditate on the Word of God more (I hope you know Who that is) so you can really grow and appreciate meat though it's hard to give up milk when that is all one has been fed with for so long.

^^^^ Well said!

stagger:

In an army, there are privates, corporals, lieutenants, captains, colonels, and generals.

They are all soldiers, but there are those with a higher ranking based on what they have achieved and their abilities as well as the number of years they have been in service. This is the military ranking system.

There are doctors, but we have the trainee ones and the specialists. I am sure you know there is a difference. Try giving a trainee doctor a kid to carry out a heart operation and we will hear the story for years to come.

There are Christians and there are Christians. That is why a demon said to the seven sons of Sceva (who incidentally was a pastor or a priest in that era): "Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you?

So in case you say, we are all anointed, let me ask you:

a) Yes, we as Christians are all anointed but can you claim to have cured a terminal illness by prayer?
b) Have you ever prayed for the dead and they were raised up?
c) How fast do you receive answers to your prayers? Instantly, after a while, or do you have to rely on others (including your pastor) to pray for you to get results?
d) Can you preach the word with signs and wonders?
e) Can you see rain clouds forming and rain threatening to destroy your programme, and you can decree that the rain not fall until you are done? (late Archbishop Benson Idahosa once did this in a crusade and the rain that started to fall stopped immediately).
f) Can you decree things to happen and they will happen as you decreed? Can you control the elements with your prayer?
g) Can you decree the death of an evil man and it will come to pass?
h) Can you cause strange deliverance to occur by a word of prayer? A man of God I know once prayed a prayer for someone I know and lightening came from the sky, divided the roof of his family house, into the parlour, and created a massive crater that excavated charms and eartheware pots located almost 10 feet into the ground somewhere in Anambra state. This is a confirmed story, not hearsay.

Another I know (not even a popular one, you may call him an unknown pastor) commanded a mad man to be cured and he was very very cured. I saw this myself live in a branch of Assemblies of God church in a program I was invited to attend.

Yes we are anointed, but even occultists and traditionalists know that there is a ranking in the spiritual realm. Agwoturumbe as a native doctor, was far superior to others in one of the semi-fictional novels written by Elechi Amadi.

Similarly, you cannot compare yourself as a Christian to Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye, Father Ede, Lazarus Muoka, Chuks Ogbueli and others. You cannot tread where they have been. You will be taken out instantly.

Those are the ones known as "the prophets" to whom no harm should be done.

so, the rest of us are expendable, is that it? I think it is you who is confused. God's kingdom is likened to a family, there is hierarchy but the youngest is as important (loved) as the oldest. And when the most senior takes advantage of his position, he should be condemned. There's no immunity clause in a proper family

theoctopus:

What you have just posted is what is called the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. This was a sect of heretical people who tried to infiltrate the early church. Our Lord Jesus warned us against them in the book of revelation (Rev 2:1->. The devil has again brought these doctrines into the gathering of God's people in recent years.

Everything you wrote is called doctrines of men and of devils. If you are truly born again, you would have spoken God's word, not your human doctrines. God's Word is the foundation of true Christianity. Anything outside of God's Word is from the devil.



You cannot cure a single cell. Healing is done by the Holy Spirit. All you are asked to do is pray or speak the word. God's Holy spirit does the healing. That means it has absolutely nothing to do with how "much of a man of God" you are. A baby Christian, who just got born again today can obtain as much healing from God as much as any "man of God". God is no respecter of persons and has no preferences when answering prayers. Some deacons in the early church, like Steven, had more spectacular miracles than the apostles. You are way way out of scriptures.



Mark 16:15- says the signs shall follow them that believe. It didnt say the signs shall follow the "men of God" or the "highly annointed men". If you think God does miracles because he thinks the person asking for it is special, then you need to go back to God's word



This is very ridiculous. Do you think the Holy Spirit is your messenger? Do you think any man can determine how fast a healing will occur? Your are insulting the Holy Spirit with this your post. God is not your messenger. The principle of healing and miracles is based on faith, not on the person doing the praying. A small kid can have more faith than a man who has been born again for 50 years. Do you know that there were cities where Jesus could not perform any miracles. It didnt say Jesus did not, it said he "could" not. Why? Because of their unbelief. No man of God can force a miracle out of God without the involvement of the faith of those involved. Some of the miracles you see today are sorcery. Moses struck a rock and water came out but God was angry with Moses and he didnt enter the promised land. That is because you can access spiritual principles and perform miracles but it wouldnt be from God and it wouldnt have Gods approval. Many so called men of God are operating in this realm



See the paragrapghs above



This is witchcraft. You are supposed to intercede and pray for evil men, not decree their death. Are you a spiritual assassin?



This is not a "man of God". This is the work of a diviner. That anyone can perform a miracle doesnt make him a man of God or doesnt mean he has God's approval. There is a purpose for miracles. Miracles are not for show off.


Please read Deuteronomy 13. It will enligthen you about the workings of God. You need to repent and go back to God

I thank God for the understanding he has given you, no matter how small. I pray he continues to teach you. Most of the world is in darkness

Why all in nigeria must be about miracles and money and get rich fast, that is nothing what Jesus told us in the bible.

When god makes a miracel than he make it because you belive him not because this great man of god can make it in the name of Jesus.

I can tell you that 4 so called great man of god bring out there money from nigeria because they have fear that something happen with hte country, because they will tgell you later you don't pray and fast enough for the country.

they will but the bad shoe to there followers because they couldnot pray and fast enough and the tithes and sow and first fruit and all was not enough.

I know that many of this so called great mman of god pray to the angel of the light, his light is brighter than the light of jesus, this angel of the light told them to make miracles but this marecles are not from god.

gud write up @op mor grace. 2 ppl wu tend 2 follow dere pastors nd tink God only answer prayer of d `men of God', we mst undastnd d Bible, read nd meditate it dats wen u urself wil knw wat God av 4 us, it's only dat dere diffrnt offices. Check nd read dis passages in ur Bible, read nd read til u undastnd d context or message therein;
John 1:12 "but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name", nw if u wnt 2 gt mor explanation of dis, read 2tru to vs14, 4 u 2 undastnd dat we ar made "heirs wit Christ" also read - Rom. 8:12-17 nw examine vs14 "for as MANY as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS of God". believe dat wat ur pastor is doin in his 60s, u cn do in ur 20s; wat u need is believe, God has His criteria/factors, follow it nd u wil find urself doin wat ur pastors ar doin, includin d MIRACLE u took so important, i think dis cn help u -Mark 16:17-18 nd 20 (...with SIGNS following.). God bless u