joel lala:



Okay, but lets hear what the King of Bonny had to say when the slave trade was abolished:

"We think this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by god himself." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade


From the bolded, their oracle god and priests have consulted and found it ok to continue the sale of their own Africans as slaves.

They have been doing it or ages. Before the europeans even set foot on their shores. Therefore it sounds absurd to them, to abolish it all of a sudden.

The central problem lies in that these local Ijaw rulers have never seen the on-the-ground situation in the New world. They have just been practicing what they have been doing for ages, and with the advent of the europeans they easily found a new market.


and please stop saying "their own Africans". They had not allegiance to any other African, save their own Ethnic group.


and your page also states:

Africans themselves played a role in the slave trade, by selling their captive or prisoners of war to European buyers. The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighboring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were not considered part of the ethnic group or "tribe", African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes the criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans. But some African kings refused to sell any of their captives or criminals. King Jaja of Opobo, himself a former slave, refused to do business with the slavers completely. However, Shahadah notes that with the rise of a large commercial slave trade, driven by European needs, enslaving enemies became less a consequence of war, and more and more a reason to go to war.

Also note how the tribal eco-system of the past was destroyed by the europeans. In the past, slaves obtained where just by chance coincidence after tribal warfare. There were no wars waged "for the reason" of capturing slaves. There was no intensive market as well.

However with the arrival of the evil industry-minded whites, the whole eco-system was destroyed, and wars started being waged for the sole reason of capturing slaves.

In the same way that white industrialization caused the destruction of large-scale bison herds in the americas, extinction of Native AMerican Tribes, destruction of African forests and wildlife.

what was before mere subsitence hunting became, serious large-scale wealth/greed driven industry.

It is wrong to say that humans don't have an eco-system. We humans (tribals) have an eco-system too. Its disruption is extremely dangerous.




By the way, is it just me, or has anyone noticed, how the dealings of small sections of the Ijaw (Bonny, Kalabar, etc.) such as the slave trade, twin killing ,etc., is applied to the entire African continent as a whole.

I as a Hausman have absolutely nothing to do with this. Neither does my religion.

macof: paganism are indigenous religions. It is not a singular religion on it's own. It comprises of all forms of spirituality practised along aside the cultures and traditions of a group of people. every ethnic group has it's own pagan religion. And it signifies mental independence and tribal patriotism.

On point as usual.

joel lala:


Whether paganism involves indigenous religion still means it is a form of religion of it own that is totally different from the christain, islamic or judaism religion..Paganism believes in the worship of sevral godss unlike the rest of other religion..However, paganism is still a form of religion..QED

Rightly said.

However different Pagan religions are neither answerable nor responsible for each other.

Hausa religion is separate, christianity is separate , Ifa Orisha is separate, Hinduism is separate. Neither are answerable (or even aware) of each other.

PAGAN 9JA:



They have been doing it or ages. Before the europeans even set foot on their shores. Therefore it sounds absurd to them, to abolish it all of a sudden.

The central problem lies in that these local Ijaw rulers have never seen the on-the-ground situation in the New world. They have just been practicing what they have been doing for ages, and with the advent of the europeans they easily found a new market.


and please stop saying "their own Africans". They had not allegiance to any other African, save their own Ethnic group.


and your page also states:

Africans themselves played a role in the slave trade, by selling their captive or prisoners of war to European buyers. The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighboring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were not considered part of the ethnic group or "tribe", African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes the criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans. But some African kings refused to sell any of their captives or criminals. King Jaja of Opobo, himself a former slave, refused to do business with the slavers completely. However, Shahadah notes that with the rise of a large commercial slave trade, driven by European needs, enslaving enemies became less a consequence of war, and more and more a reason to go to war.

Also note how the tribal eco-system of the past was destroyed by the europeans. In the past, slaves obtained where just by chance coincidence after tribal warfare. There were no wars waged "for the reason" of capturing slaves. There was no intensive market as well.

However with the arrival of the evil industry-minded whites, the whole eco-system was destroyed, and wars started being waged for the sole reason of capturing slaves.

In the same way that white industrialization caused the destruction of large-scale bison herds in the americas, extinction of Native AMerican Tribes, destruction of African forests and wildlife.

what was before mere subsitence hunting became, serious large-scale wealth/greed driven industry.

It is wrong to say that humans don't have an eco-system. We humans (tribals) have an eco-system too. Its disruption is extremely dangerous.




By the way, is it just me, or has anyone noticed, how the dealings of small sections of the Ijaw (Bonny, Kalabar, etc.) such as the slave trade, twin killing ,etc., is applied to the entire African continent as a whole.

I as a Hausman have absolutely nothing to do with this. Neither does my religion.

To the first bolded, the reason why the leaders didnt want the trade to be abolished was simply because they were making enormous wealth from it and nothing more..Assuming the slave trade wasnt profitable, they will definately not be happy to trade with the whites.

To the second bolded, i cant actually speak specifically for the ijaws but what i found out is that African rulers and merchants knew exactly what was happening in the new world, they even sent their children to school in europe via the same slave routes..so there is no way they can say they didnt know.

To the third bolded, there was no intense market then like you said which i agree with you but there was a prospective market which was there..the europeans new that the african rulers and merchants will sell slaves and even hunt for more slave even if it is to destroy a village for their own selfish interest..(we are still seeing it happening in nigeria today were our leaders put their citizens to undue hardship for their own selfish interest).

To the fourth bolded, hmmm i never knew much about the twin killings..thanks..i will have to read it up when am chanced..

To the last bolded, how were majority of the hausas converted from paganism into accepting islam? i would really like to know.

PAGAN 9JA:


Rightly said.

However different Pagan religions are neither answerable nor responsible for each other.

Hausa religion is separate, christianity is separate , Ifa Orisha is separate, Hinduism is separate. Neither are answerable (or even aware) of each other.

Ok...thank you

joel lala:



To the first bolded, the reason why the leaders didnt want the trade to be abolished was simply because they were making enormous wealth from it and nothing more..Assuming the slave trade wasnt profitable, they will definately not be happy to trade with the whites.

To the second bolded, i cant actually speak specifically for the ijaws but what i found out is that African rulers and merchants knew exactly what was happening in the new world, they even sent their children to school in europe via the same slave routes..so there is no way they can say they didnt know.

Depends. again its greed-driven. let us return to the issue. our religion doesn't advocate slavery, and especially forced conversion of our slaves. and torture aswell.

To the last bolded, how were majority of the hausas converted from paganism into accepting islam? i would really like to know.

islam spread gradually through trade, especially with the Berbers and Tuareg. Then depending on the current ruler, some converted just for names sake, some abolished islam, then their descendants again converted, it was abolished again and so on.

Boori was the official cult of the court (run by women) and Maguzanci religion and other variants of Hausa Spirituality were widespread across the Bakwai (Hausa Confederate States).

This easy co-existence continued until the new extremist ideologies of Usumane Dan Fodio, who started preaching radical islam to our ruler. At this time we had mostly returned to Paganism again or mixed it with islam. Our ruler,H.E.H. Sarkin Yunfa Dan Bawa, did not like it so he kicked Dan Fodio out. Dan Fodio then went to the Fuulbe cattle herders, (possibly brainwashing and converting some of them on the way) and asked them to declare war on Hausa Bakwai. We defeated them in our first battle and killed 2000 of the islamic jihadists (200 of them were Hafiz). However the treacherous man defeated a small Hausa state and established a recruitment base over there, surviving on our resources. We lost the second battle and our ruler, direct descendant of Bayanjidda, was killed. After the fall of most of the original Hausa states, islam spread easily in the past 200 years and was further enforced by the creation of the Sokoto caliphate , and upon the ruins of the seat of the Hausa throne.

Sorry double post

PAGAN 9JA:



Depends. again its greed-driven. let us return to the issue. our religion doesn't advocate slavery, and especially forced conversion of our slaves. and torture aswell.


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To the last bolded, how were majority of the hausas converted from paganism into accepting islam? i would really like to know.

islam spread gradually through trade, especially with the Berbers and Tuareg. Then depending on the current ruler, some converted just for names sake, some abolished islam, then their descendants again converted, it was abolished again and so on.

Boori was the official cult of the court (run by women) and Maguzanci religion and other variants of Hausa Spirituality were widespread across the Bakwai (Hausa Confederate States).

This easy co-existence continued until the new extremist ideologies of Usumane Dan Fodio, who started preaching radical islam to our ruler. At this time we had mostly returned to Paganism again or mixed it with islam. Our ruler,H.E.H. Sarkin Yunfa Dan Bawa, did not like it so he kicked Dan Fodio out. Dan Fodio then went to the Fuulbe cattle herders, (possibly brainwashing and converting some of them on the way) and asked them to declare war on Hausa Bakwai. We defeated them in our first battle and killed 2000 of the islamic jihadists (200 of them were Hafiz). However the treacherous man defeated a small Hausa state and established a recruitment base over there, surviving on our resources. We lost the second battle and our ruler, direct descendant of Bayanjidda, was killed. After the fall of most of the original Hausa states, islam spread easily in the past 200 years and was further enforced by the creation of the Sokoto caliphate , and upon the ruins of the seat of the Hausa throne.

well i dont know your particular pagan religion however i am more interested in this dan fodio stuff..first, why did the pagans allow the mixture of both pagan and islamic practicises? Or didnt they have trust in their own beliefs anymore? When dan fodio was a threat why wasnt he taken care of once and for all..am just curious.

joel lala:


well i dont know your particular pagan religion however i am more interested in this dan fodio stuff..first, why did the pagans allow the mixture of both pagan and islamic practicises? Or didnt they have trust in their own beliefs anymore? When dan fodio was a threat why wasnt he taken care of once and for all..am just curious.

Most of the population, were farmers and were mostly Pagan. Not all Hausa did it. Amongst the city dwellers, certain sections of the nobility, merchant-class, etc. accepted islam or were syncretizing due to trade, influence of new ideology ,etc.

Also it is possible that muslim mercahnts from other nations would provide trade concessions, etc., to these people if they converted.

As Pagans, nowhere is it stated in Hausa religion that you can't be a muslim. These Hausa were just trying it out and incorporating it according to the trend of the day.



Dan Fodio was Sarkin Yunfas teacher. therefore it would be inconceivable for Yunfa to kill his elder and mentor at first. However when it was known that Dan Fodio's intentions were murderous and to topple the Empire because of his religious fanaticsm and possible power hunger, that is when it got out of hand.


Dan Fodio was no royalty. He assumed the title of Lamido Juulbe only after going back to the Fulani herders for help.

joel lala:


My point of arguement here is not whether paganism is forcing anybody to accept her ways or not..My point is why did the pagan/traditional rulers and merchants sell its own blood and flesh( their own fellow african brothers and sisters) to the europeans all for their own selfish gains.. Pagan9ja has been chanting all this while how evil other religions are to the african society but forgetting that paganism sold our ancestors to the one he calls evil thereby making paganism evil itself.(Pls note: i am not justifying christainity or any other religion here).

lol. Africa is a continent just like Europe not some ethnic identity
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PAGAN 9JA:


Most of the population, were farmers and were mostly Pagan. Not all Hausa did it. Amongst the city dwellers, certain sections of the nobility, merchant-class, etc. accepted islam or were syncretizing due to trade, influence of new ideology ,etc.

Also it is possible that muslim mercahnts from other nations would provide trade concessions, etc., to these people if they converted.

As Pagans, nowhere is it stated in Hausa religion that you can't be a muslim. These Hausa were just trying it out and incorporating it according to the trend of the day.



Dan Fodio was Sarkin Yunfas teacher. therefore it would be inconceivable for Yunfa to kill his elder and mentor at first. However when it was known that Dan Fodio's intentions were murderous and to topple the Empire because of his religious fanaticsm and possible power hunger, that is when it got out of hand.


Dan Fodio was no royalty. He assumed the title of Lamido Juulbe only after going back to the Fulani herders for help.

Ok..thank you for this.

joel lala:

Ok..thank you for this.

no problem.

joel lala:


Whether paganism involves indigenous religion still means it is a form of religion of it own that is totally different from the christain, islamic or judaism religion..Paganism believes in the worship of sevral godss unlike the rest of other religion..However, paganism is still a form of religion..QED

u must be an uneducated fellow. Paganism was derived from the word pagan-meaning villager. It doesn't mean polytheism, it means indigenous, so whether ur paganic religion believes in one God or several gods it only means monotheistic and polytheistic, Not non-pagan and pagan. judaism is a paganic religion. don't try to distort English definitions to take Christianity away from it's paganic origin. Even now Judaism is a form of christianity in other words jewish paganism is a form of christianity. Even in catholicism Roman paganism still shows, with their use of idols.

macof: u must be an uneducated fellow. Paganism was derived from the word pagan-meaning villager. It doesn't mean polytheism, it means indigenous, so whether ur paganic religion believes in one God or several gods it only means monotheistic and polytheistic, Not non-pagan and pagan. judaism is a paganic religion. don't try to distort English definitions to take Christianity away from it's paganic origin. Even now Judaism is a form of christianity in other words jewish paganism is a form of christianity. Even in catholicism Roman paganism still shows, with their use of idols.

judaism is a man-made religion. It is not Paganism. However judaism is derived from pre-judaic Canaanite/Israelite religions during the days of the Hebrew Tribes. These are Pagan religions.

joel lala:


Defination of paganism:

1. Any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism.

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


2. One of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/pagan

3. Paganism represents a wide variety of traditions that emphasize reverence for nature and a revival of ancient polytheistic and animistic religious practices

www.patheos.com/Library/Pagan.html‎





Likewise if there are no sellers there will be no buyer..so am fully aware thats why both parties are to blame.






Not so true..Are you aware that there were several anti slavery campaignes in europe as at that era of slave trade by humanitarian activist?

In 1787 a committee of twelve was appointed, including six members of the Society of Friends (Quakers). The Quakers had set up a committee of their own in 1783 in order to obtain and publish "such information as may tend to the abolition of the slave trade." Two other members of the committee were Thomas Clarkson and Granville Sharp. These men in particular went to great lengths to collect evidence, finding out precisely how little space was allotted to slaves on the ships and similar details. They began to publish pamphlets to stir public opinion against the trade.....http://www.victorianweb.org/history/antislavery.html

Also,

The struggle to end the transatlantic slave trade and slavery was achieved by African resistance and economic factors as well as through humanitarian campaigns.

The most prominent abolitionists, notably Thomas Clarkson and William Wilberforce, were great publicists. Wilberforce (1759-1833) led the British parliamentary campaign to abolish the slave trade and slavery.

Opinion in Europe was also changing. Moral, religious and humanitarian arguments found more and more support. A vigorous campaign to achieve abolition began in Britain in 1783 and also developed in North America and the Caribbean, often led by the Black churches. In Britain, Thomas Clarkson (1760-1846) was another prominent campaigner who was principally responsible for collecting evidence against the trade. Clarkson was a founder member of the society for effecting the abolition of the slave trade in 1787....http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ism/slavery/europe/abolition.aspx

There had been voices and campaigns against slavery from day One, and they were all summarily ignored. It was only when the economic rationale for slavery began to dwindle, and profits began dwindling owing to falling demand, that moralistic voices began getting attention by the ruling establishment.

PAGAN 9JA:



judaism is a man-made religion. It is not Paganism. However judaism is derived from pre-judaic Canaanite/Israelite religions during the days of the Hebrew Tribes. These are Pagan religions.

I didn't know that. But however it relates to the Jewish traditions and they follow the law of Moses. So in my opinion that seems pagan enough.

macof: I didn't know that. But however it relates to the Jewish traditions and they follow the law of Moses. So in my opinion that seems pagan enough.

just like islam relates to Arab traditions. so according to your views, that would make islam an Arab traditional religion too. Infact this may even explain the reason why it would be extremely difficult to convert an Arab muslim.

No. actually both have been tampered by men. (moses,muhammad). therefore both do not qualify. they are based on the teachings and works of prophets (men).

This is why I say judaism is the source of all problems. it is the first religion to go against the natural Order of religion. the first breakaway from Paganism. Even during the Pagan days, israel was the most unstable region in terms of religion. they kept having religious fights and revolts with their neighbours and the Empire itself.

why else do you think Pontius Pilate, the Roman Governor handed jesus over to the Sarheddin. he just didnt want to get involved and cause a new rebellion. infact, to make peace with the Jewish religious council, he ordered his men to do as dictated by them. its all politics.

PAGAN9JA:
Let me reply since this thread was directed to me.

1) Pagan/Traditional Rulers and Tribal Chiefs NEVER sold their own people to the slavers. So stop saying this "our ancestors sold us" bull****.
2)As Tribals, only the welfare and benifit of our own tribes and ethnic groups mattered. We had no obligation to members of other ethnic groups.
3)Before the europeans came, there was a uniform system of warfare, trade and slavery, whereby the populations were naturally kept in check/balanced through these constant raids carried out on each other. A very recent example on a different level, can be seen among the raids and counter raids of Southern Sudanese on each others cattle, depending on grazing patterns and who is more drought affected. (which results in these drought affect raiders seeking better pastures for capturing the cattle of other tribes). The same exact situation can be noted among the Bedu Arab Tribals, 50-100 years back, before the discovery of oil.

4)The conquerors had no personal/racist bias against the slaves. In the African system, slaves were treated as part of the family, incorporated into trade guilds (if young, they served as apprentices), and later on even rose to higher ranks, especially so if they were from distinctly related ethnic groups. E.g., Jaja of Opobo, Tuareg Bella, etc.

5)The forms of slavery in Africa were closely related to kinship structures.Many slave relationships in Africa revolved around domestic slavery, where slaves would work primarily in the house of the master but retain some freedoms. Domestic slaves could be considered part of the master's household and would not be sold to others without extreme cause. The slaves could own the profits from their labor (whether in land or in products) and could marry and pass the land on to their children in many cases. slaves were not tortured, forcibly converted, starved, sent abroad to a point of no return, packed in crowded ships like animals, etc. Owing to their close proximity to their own tribal territories, they had a chance to return back to their ethnic group, either by buying their way out, or by being re-captured in a counter-raid.

Pawnship, or debt bondage slavery, involves the use of people as collateral to secure the repayment of debt. Slave labor is performed by the debtor, or a relative of the debtor. Pawnship was a common form of collateral in West Africa. It involved the pledge of a person, or a member of that person's family, to service another person providing credit. Pawnship was a common practice throughout West Africa prior to European contact, including amongst the Akan people, the Ewe people, the Ga people, the Yoruba people, and the Edo people (in modified forms, it also existed amongst the Efik people, the Igbo people, the Ijaw people, and the Fon people).
Military slavery involved the acquisition and training of conscripted military units which would retain the identity of military slaves even after their service.

[b]The viewpoint that “Africans” enslaved “Africans” is obfuscating if not troubling. The deployment of “African” in African history tends to coalesce into obscurantist constructions of identities that allow scholars, for instance, to subtly call into question the humanity of “all” Africans. Whenever Asante rulers sold non-Asantes into slavery, they did not construct it in terms of Africans selling fellow Africans. They saw the victims for what they were, for instance, as Akuapems, without categorizing them as fellow Africans. Equally, when Christian Scandinavians and Russians sold war captives to the Islamic people of the Abbasid Empire, they didn’t think that they were placing fellow Europeans into slavery. This lazy categorizing homogenizes Africans and has become a part of the methodology of African history; not surprisingly, the Western media’s cottage industry on Africa has tapped into it to frame Africans in inchoate generalities allowing the media to describe local crisis in one African state as “African” problem.[/b]
—Dr. Akurang-Parry, Ending the Slavery Blame-Game

6)the pattern of slavery in the African continent was similar in nature to that practiced by the Pagan Romans, earlier. There was no racist or personal bias. It was all part of the system of warfare.

7) Our traditional rulers were ignorant of conditions in the americas, until much later when the situation got extensive and out of hand. They truly realised the extent when the british govt., who after abolishing slavery, contacted many rulers to take a step forward and explained the suffereings of slaves abroad. This was the point when britain herself started sending out anti-slavery naval fleets. After this, many of our traditional rulers and even Queens start advocating against slavery. I do not remember the names, but I think chief advocates were among the Benin/Dahomey Empires, who were centrally involved in the trade. King Ansah of Ghana had the Fante people watch for European ships, and prevented them from coming ashore.

King Nzenga Maremba of Kongo tried to stop the slave trade in the Congo only after he originally participated in the trade in exchange for military items and support from Portugal. King Maremba agreed to release his African prisoners of war to the Portuguese who wanted the best (1470 - 1800) young African men as a bargaining chip to be sure the King kept his word. The Portuguese promised to train and educate the young men to become priests and later to return them to the Congo. King Meremba let the Portuguese convince him to take the Christian name, Alfonso, as a show of support. He was even forced to convert to christianity by the missionaries, in order to compromise for the benefit of his people. When Alfonso asked for the return of a few of his former prisoners, who had been trained to serve as physicians, surgeons, pharmacists, assistants for shipbuilders and carpenters, his requests were denied. After having his requests denied several times, King Alfonso learned that his prisoners of war had been sold as slaves in Portugal. In 1526, King Alfonso wrote to King John III, the former King of Portugal, and asked for his help in ending the slave trade in the Congo. He explained the freedoms that were given to the Portuguese, who had set up shops, become merchants in the Congo and had amassed fortunes. The people in the Congo could not do the same because they had complied with the agreement and now did not have the same abundance of wealth as the invaders. King Alfonso related that the damage was so great that his people and land were being seized daily. King Alfonso ended his letter to King John III with another request for his help because it was the will of the people in the Congo and other kingdoms that there should not be any trading of slaves nor markets for slaves.

In 1777, King Agadja, a Dahomean monarch, captured an Englishman and his slave raiding party who had entered his kingdom looking for more Africans. The Englishman and his crew were released after they promised to return all the Africans they had captured. King Agadja gave the Englishmen a warning to take to the rulers of England, that if any other slave traders were sent to his Kingdom, or other kingdoms, they would be killed. In 1787, the Senegal King of Almammy, passed a law that made it illegal to take enslaved Africans through his kingdom. To let (1470 – 1800) Europeans know how serious the law was, the king returned the presents French slave traders sent as bribes. Queen Nzingha of Angola fought a successful 30-year war against the slave traders of Portugal until the Portuguese negotiated a treaty with her in 1656. Their treaty remained in effect until she died in 1663.

The intrusion of a foreign element into an "ecosystem" will always have a bad impact on the whole ecology. the european outlook of slavery was different from the average Tribal outlook.
This was the point when the 2 systems artificially collided and resulted in damage of the existing system.
The system was further disrupted, with foreign slavers installing their own choice of puppet kings on the throne to further insinuate their vile acts. An example is the installation of a pro-slaver ruler on the thron of Dahomey, by the brazilian half-bred slave traders.

Lewis346 READ THIS & POST #9 by Folykaze
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@Lewis346
Africans are thought to be the poorest worldwide, U agree but don't agree on poverty contributing to the situation in Nigeria, Yet using that poverty logic to excuse gang violence & gun murder in AfroAmerican communities.
According to this map, Texas isn't that Rich compared to the cities in east coast where gun violence is at the highest in black American counties. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
Also according to this Houston isn't that much better than Chicago
https://upgradedhome.com/chicago-vs-houston/#Job_Market
Ure confusing Competition with wanting to be like Europeans.
Nigerians are notorious for adapting ideas & making it better than the original. America is dominated by Whites, so Nigeriand will always compete with the best. That's how they became the most educated ethnic group. Right now they're trying to be the richest. Most of your points was heresay How can they warn their children against Akatas b4 even arriving in USA, when their priority is being the best at whatever country they migrate to. Majority marry this same AfroAmericans that they were supposed to be avoiding.
I already told U slavery was a business like drug dealing. Also majority were kidnappers, such won't limit their commodities, especially since women & children would be easier to capture. Do drug dealers limit their customer pool?
Again colonial rule in Nigeria was indirectly from 1900-1960. just 60yrs & indirect rule so they barely had interaction with whites, U saw many white Brazilian worshipping the Yoruba King didn't U? Search 4 Uhuru dynasty, has said that Nigeria is the African country least dominated by whites & other foreigners in wealth. U should subscribe to his Chanel.
Read this article now 4rm someone with your similar experience with whites has explained how Nigerians feel about race.
https://africasacountry.com/2019/04/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-nigerians-about-race

ibibiogrl:
@Lewis346
Africans are thought to be the poorest worldwide, U agree but don't agree on poverty contributing to the situation in Nigeria, Yet using that poverty logic to excuse gang violence & gun murder in AfroAmerican communities.
According to this map, Texas isn't that Rich compared to the cities in east coast where gun violence is at the highest in black American counties. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
Also according to this Houston isn't that much better than Chicago
https://upgradedhome.com/chicago-vs-houston/#Job_Market
Ure confusing Competition with wanting to be like Europeans.
Nigerians are notorious for adapting ideas & making it better than the original. America is dominated by Whites, so Nigeriand will always compete with the best. That's how they became the most educated ethnic group. Right now they're trying to be the richest. Most of your points was heresay How can they warn their children against Akatas b4 even arriving in USA, when their priority is being the best at whatever country they migrate to. Majority marry this same AfroAmericans that they were supposed to be avoiding.
I already told U slavery was a business like drug dealing. Also majority were kidnappers, such won't limit their commodities, especially since women & children would be easier to capture. Do drug dealers limit their customer pool?
Again colonial rule in Nigeria was indirectly from 1900-1960. just 60yrs & indirect rule so they barely had interaction with whites, U saw many white Brazilian worshipping the Yoruba King didn't U? Search 4 Uhuru dynasty, has said that Nigeria is the African country least dominated by whites & other foreigners in wealth. U should subscribe to his Chanel.
Read this article now 4rm someone with your similar experience with whites has explained how Nigerians feel about race.
https://africasacountry.com/2019/04/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-nigerians-about-race

I believe who ever documents the data at that time along with scientific proof showing it to be true. And the 2 guys have their facts all the way wrong. With Europeans being ensl@ved you must be mostly referring to the "Barbary sl@ve trade" if you are talking about over 800k whites being ensl@ved. But thats not the same as naija at all. These people were captured by muslim Arab pir@tes at sea and taken by sw0rd and � point. This is litreally the only times where Europeans were ensl@ved by another outside group and it was due to piracy. Europeans didn't take anyone in naija by � point. They had full fliege deals with chiefs kings and local royal families who gladly accepted and benifited from things like tobacco cotton balls dinner plates. It was more of a all out buisness in naija and was very much welcomed. Documents shows us that it was about 12 million sl@ves who made it to the amaricas (almost half of that. 5 million) were peope from naija. The igbo out-of that had almost 2 million alone. These are all documented facts........that is very different then the Barbary sl@ve trade where arabs @mbushed Europeans at sea and destr0yed everyone then took who was left by sw0rd. This is why the 2 guys on nairaland got it wrong I believe who ever documents the data at that time along with scientific proof showing it to be true. And the 2 guys have their facts all the way wrong. With Europeans being ensl@ved you must be mostly referring to the "Barbary sl@ve trade" if you are talking about over 800k whites being ensl@ved. But thats not the same as naija at all. These people were captured by muslim Arab pir@tes at sea and taken by sw0rd and � point. This is litreally the only times where Europeans were ensl@ved by another outside group and it was due to piracy. Europeans didn't take anyone in naija by � point. They had full fliege deals with chiefs kings and local royal families who gladly accepted and benifited from things like tobacco cotton balls dinner plates. It was more of a all out buisness in naija and was very much welcomed. Documents shows us that it was about 12 million sl@ves who made it to the amaricas (almost half of that. 5 million) were peope from naija. The igbo out-of that had almost 2 million alone. These are all documented facts........that is very different then the Barbary sl@ve trade where arabs @mbushed Europeans at sea and destr0yed everyone then took who was left by sw0rd. This is why the 2 guys on nairaland got their facts wrong
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Barbary-Pirates-English-Slaves/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595

sylve11:

Anyway i was trying to connect two things to ur question but so impatient to type, cos dats wht i hate. U asked me to get some history books? Anyway sooth urself with ur insults. Odabo!

I hope you are still not living in ignorance of our history..