italo: What is the aim of the thread, if I may ask.

Mr.T Anonymous:
. I love you, so I cause you suffering. Its for your own good.
It doesn't matter how beautiful the world can be. The fact that it can be so ugly and so cruel and so unmerciful leads me to hold God, if he exists, culpable.

Mr.T Anonymous:
. , "Ya know, murdering my child for any reason isn't right." Then we hold moral authority over God every day of the week, even Sunday.e.

Mr.T Anonymous:
- he is still a serial killer at his core. And if you don't think the God of the bible is a serial killer, then you haven't read the bible!

Mr.T Anonymous:
what about making people beg for help? If he knows everything that happens and can intervene on a whim, why should it be necessary to pray for help? When someone I know appears to need help, I don't wait for them to beg for it, I offer it freely. Any entity with omnipresence and omnipotence should simply step in and reaffirm his followers' faith.
He's like a playground bully, "You want this ball? Ask me nicely. Ask again. Get on your knees and plead for it.
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Kandaha: People have gone through worse things than u am sure of it & they haven't opened
Their Mouths to say such. Bros be careful!!!

Area_boy:


Its freewill remember? We can say whatever d fck we want..

Think of it like this.. "god" is all powerful, all knowing, all perfect, never changing

All powerful, and he cant kill himself,

all knowing and he did not know we will turn out this way

All perfect and he needs our worship..

Never changing yet he doesnt like animal sacrifice anymore (Thats after killing himself in the form of his "son" )

Hmmmm.. sounds like a spoilt bratt if u ask me. Take the contrary of my points above, then you realise that everything we see or suffer today was his plan all along. Doesnt that make you think?

Nigerians should learn to leave the Jewish god alone.

Imagine if ancient Greece had colonised us, you all will be praising zeus and his cohorts and telling us how not to blaspheme against Hercules .

what a joke religion is

Mr.T Anonymous:
To express my feeling about the christian "god" !!!
After trusting him so much,never knew he could disappoint me,now I'm going to start all over,I will never believe in a god again.
Now I don't know what to do
Commit suicide?HELL NO.


I was so stu.pid,foolish and silly for placing my mind and life on such a pre-assumed god!!!

honeychild:

By this I suppose you mean that He killed the original inhabitants of Canaan? Right? That was not a genocide. That was a well deserved judgement. In the days of Abraham, God told him he was not going to give him that land yet because 'the error of the inhabitants of the land had not over flowed.

Would you like to know the kind of error we are talking about? Immorality, idol worship and child sacrifice were widespread in Canaan. Bible Historian Henry H. Haley notes that archaeologists excavating the area found great numbers of jars containing the remains of children who had been sacrificed to Baal. Baal was a prominent god of the canaanites. He says:
' The whole area proved to be a cemetery for new born babies. Canaanites worshipped, by immoral indulgence, as a religious rite, in the presence of their gods; and then, by murdering their children, as a sacrifice to these same gods. .....Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did.

Do you know how long God waited while the Canaanites committed these atrocities before finally removing them from his face? 400 years.
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honeychild:

Why do we insist on blaming God for the mess we have made of our world? We humans are a funny breed. We insist on living as we please, refusing his guidance and doing exactly what we please. And this is starting right from the first ones. Then we turn around and cry that the world 'can be so ugly and so cruel'. [size=15pt]Did God come down from where he lives to come and practice acts of ugliness and cruelty?[/size] Is it not me and you, using our free will that wreck ugliness and cruelty on one another?

honeychild: You don't have all the facts. Expecting to understand how and why God does or did everything he did is like expecting your pet dog or cat to understand everything about you and your relationship with your wife and kids? But your dog knows enough about you to be happy that you have come home.

We may not understand why God felt he had no choice but to allow his Son to be murdered, but we can give him the benefit of the doubt. Just as your puppy may not understand why you keep allowing that mean man (the vet) to come around every three months and give him those really painful shots.

Joagbaje: @op
You know there's God , you're just pissed with many things. God is not punishing any person. God didn't kill anybody's child. God gave us a beautiful life which satan tried to destroy through the sin of Adam which brought sickness and suffering upon man kind. God still made back up plan to rescue man. He gave us choice to make . Follow this part if you want to live. But if you don't , there's pain on that part. God is not responsible for evil in the world. Man is.

Joagbaje: He sent Jesus to be mans substitute. All you need is faith in christ and receive the free gift. Then you can be a master and champion. God tried . You should rather ask questions to have clarification about God . Because you've not known him yet. There's witness in your conscience there's a supreme being that is behind the engine called universe .

Foxy_Flow: I wanted to keep quiet initially but could not surpress the urge to air my view. Why would people blame God? Even as the so called atheist they profess to be. This is so ridiculous.

You put your trust in God you say. You sall all manner of things. You blasphem against God. You sin. You cheat. You lie. But yet God loved you. One thousand of you apply for a job, you get it. You think you are the most qualified? Think again.

I have worked in two organizations where I was/is the least qualified during the interview. All I did was ask God to take control, asked him for favour and then practiced what I had learnt. Those with bulky certificate files lost the job but it was given to me who came with only a CV. Isn't God wonderful?

I resigned from a job at the knick of time before the kano attack which claimed many lives. You don't call that luck, there is a spiritual force at work.

I left Kano for Kazaure a night before the post election violence. My people begged me not to go on a night journey that I should leave in the morning. My spirit kept telling me to go, made me restless until I left. The next morning, the same spirit came and told me to leave my house off campus and head into the school. There was no lectures. I dragged around until I finally got to school. As soon as I stepped into the school, all hell was broken lose outside the school. Do you call that luck or prenomition?

Come off it bro. Incidents around you should let you have a feel of an ever loving father in heaven who is ready to help you.

My mind never spoke to me. It was and still is the spirit of God. When I go against that spirit, I am met with problems. I have tried it severally and never liked the results. God exists, I am not proving it. I am only telling you and his love abides forever.

If you have a challenge, just call upon him in the days of trouble and he will answer you. Seek him now while he is near.

Peace be unto you bro. Your freewill is as a result of a loving father. But remember, everything is taken into records. When someone offends you without asking for fogiveness, you hold unto that offence to revenge later. Think about it Sir.


God bless you!!

ooman:

ok, what about all other people, xtians alike who died in the riot?

Dont flatter yourself, what happened to you was mere coincidence...

Foxy_Flow:

I was expecting you to debunk the claim. There is nothing as coincidence my friend. I am about going to church now. When I return, we won't debate, we will talk as two humans.

honeychild:

Why do we insist on blaming God for the mess we have made of our world? We humans are a funny breed. We insist on living as we please, refusing his guidance and doing exactly what we please. And this is starting right from the first ones. Then we turn around and cry that the world 'can be so ugly and so cruel'. Did God come down from where he lives to come and practice acts of ugliness and cruelty? Is it not me and you, using our free will that wreck ugliness and cruelty on one another?

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You don't have all the facts. Expecting to understand how and why God does or did everything he did is like expecting your pet dog or cat to understand everything about you and your relationship with your wife and kids? But your dog knows enough about you to be happy that you have come home.

We may not understand why God felt he had no choice but to allow his Son to be murdered, but we can give him the benefit of the doubt. Just as your puppy may not understand why you keep allowing that mean man (the vet) to come around every three months and give him those really painful shots.

Joagbaje: @op
You know there's God , you're just pissed with many things. God is not punishing any person. God didn't kill anybody's child. God gave us a beautiful life which satan tried to destroy through the sin of Adam which brought sickness and suffering upon man kind. God still made back up plan to rescue man. He gave us choice to make . Follow this part if you want to live. But if you don't , there's pain on that part. God is not responsible for evil in the world. Man is.

He sent Jesus to be mans substitute. All you need is faith in christ and receive the free gift. Then you can be a master and champion. God tried . You should rather ask questions to have clarification about God . Because you've not known him yet. There's witness in your conscience there's a supreme being that is behind the engine called universe .

honeychild:

Why do we insist on blaming God for the mess we have made of our world? We humans are a funny breed. We insist on living as we please, refusing his guidance and doing exactly what we please. And this is starting right from the first ones. Then we turn around and cry that the world 'can be so ugly and so cruel'. Did God come down from where he lives to come and practice acts of ugliness and cruelty? Is it not me and you, using our free will that wreck ugliness and cruelty on one another?

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You don't have all the facts. Expecting to understand how and why God does or did everything he did is like expecting your pet dog or cat to understand everything about you and your relationship with your wife and kids? But your dog knows enough about you to be happy that you have come home.

We may not understand why God felt he had no choice but to allow his Son to be murdered, but we can give him the benefit of the doubt. Just as your puppy may not understand why you keep allowing that mean man (the vet) to come around every three months and give him those really painful shots.

opeano: I feel ur pain mr., as much as i want to know wat happen dat warrant dis. I wouldnt bother to ask. Just know this.. If God made man and controls evrytin dat happens to him, wont that be like u avin a remote control car, u let it go front or back, move into a corner or a ditch and so on.. D toycar has no freedom of its own and since its ur own. U wnt allow anyone touch it unless by ur wish. But God made man a free moral agent. We av to choose. And in our choice, we av to pray so dat sth helps us wit our choice to make sure its d good one. Satan rules d earth, but he isnt d owner nor is he d absolute power. God wants u to choose btw him and dat one dat has defiled him. Our activities here is accountable to. God, dats y he choose to make us die if he wants to. Now, consider it. If evrytin is as smooth as u want it, who will want to die, if any, who wont cry over d death. So pls my brother, i would av been glad if i can c u and meet u to explain to u why dis earth wont look just as u visualize it. My condolences to ur plight. Hapi sunday

I want to emphasize on the bolded,who is Satan, what proof do you have that He exists,even if he exists,what makes you think he is the one causing evil and not god

honeychild:

By this I suppose you mean that He killed the original inhabitants of Canaan? Right? That was not a genocide. That was a well deserved judgement. In the days of Abraham, God told him he was not going to give him that land yet because 'the error of the inhabitants of the land had not over flowed.

Would you like to know the kind of error we are talking about? Immorality, idol worship and child sacrifice were widespread in Canaan. Bible Historian Henry H. Haley notes that archaeologists excavating the area found great numbers of jars containing the remains of children who had been sacrificed to Baal. Baal was a prominent god of the canaanites. He says:
' The whole area proved to be a cemetery for new born babies. Canaanites worshipped, by immoral indulgence, as a religious rite, in the presence of their gods; and then, by murdering their children, as a sacrifice to these same gods. .....Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than he did.

Do you know how long God waited while the Canaanites committed these atrocities before finally removing them from his face? 400 years.
'

Mr.T Anonymous:
Thanks for the condolences.

I want to emphasize on the bolded,who is Satan, what proof do you have that He exists,even if he exists,what makes you think he is the one causing evil and not god
And please,don't refer me to a bible coz
The bible was written by some drunk,old,poor,unfortunate,uneducated fellow

honeychild:

If you never had to ask God for anything how would we know he was the one that gave it to you? I make my children ask me politely for some things. Does that make me a playground bully?

For me, the joy of having a prayer answered. ...of knowing He actually listened as insignificant little me was asking Him, well I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Don't get me wrong. He doesn't give me every thing I ask for. No sane parent would give a child everything he asked for. But when He does. ..I can't explain the way it feels.

I feel that the fact that the Creator of this majestic universe dignified us by telling us to talk to Him, ask Him for what we want and tell Him our problems, is a privilege we should be thankful for.

He doesn't answer all prayers
So why should we be thankful to him
And why do you think he exists
See,I was once like you believing that god answers prayer,he doesn't exist,so he doesn't answer prayers,it is like staring into space and begging it for help