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Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Apreel(f): 9:07am On Nov 10, 2013 |
If its nt addressed quickly it ll create problem 4 d child.wen I was young my late mum used 2 speak her dialect 2 us,we understood nd even spoke it well,until my dad came bk 4rm abroad nd found out,he banned us 4rm speaking her dialect.till nw dat I'm older,I dnt knw ow 2 speak igbo fluently,considering my dad is nt always arnd...its better ur child knws 1 language...in my own opinion tho |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by tejusbrit: 9:14am On Nov 10, 2013 |
chineloSA: The issue of negotiation should not arise, for crying out loud his father being esan automatically gives the baby an esan first name and surname. You would agree this two are the most important names, so what is so bad in his mum wanting him to have a yoruba name? She and her parents mit even be the only ones that would actually be calling him by that name. The fact that she is demanding this does not mean she in anyway showing she is the man of the house. Haba Men sha. I which the table could be turned round and let men go thru pregnancy and labor you wld realise that this small demands by mothers is not too much to indulge them with. 2 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Miner13: 9:16am On Nov 10, 2013 |
kendraloops:did u nw want 2 quit or wat. B sincere in ur reply |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by tintingz(m): 9:21am On Nov 10, 2013 |
penny01502: we don't want more APC to dominate our land. stop yoruba, stop APC from dominating our south south region now!and how many yorubas are planing to dominate your SS land? we are cool with our SW land and rocking it we don't rush to other people's land to do business/survive and claim "its no man's land". 2 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Miner13: 9:24am On Nov 10, 2013 |
chineloSA:there is no trait of esan language in d girl in questn here, so how did you want her to teach the child esan language |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by lastpage: 9:27am On Nov 10, 2013 |
kendraloops: Likes X1,000,000 Na real Suukpo, Sugunmuu! Lastpage! BTW: What if the boy grows up and decides he does not want to speak Esan or Yoruba for that matter, wetin una go do? This is a trivial issue and your hubby should pipe down. if he has "other issues" with you, let him come out openly so you can both "negotiate" an amicable settlement. Abi the "unexpected" don dey happen, behind our back? Just kidding. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by tintingz(m): 9:28am On Nov 10, 2013 |
deols: He is disgustingly feeling inferior.LOL, ironically he speaks Yoruba and speaks yoruba proverbs The wife need to sit his hubby down and discuss this. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Lagishan: 9:37am On Nov 10, 2013 |
chineloSA: @chineloSA, You are very sensible and matured. People do not understand the psychology. Guys put yourself in her husband's shoes and think. Everytime your wife sings, it's in her language to the baby. Am not saying the wife shouldnt, put the guy's interest first and let him not feel his son will be identifying more with the mother's people than his. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by tintingz(m): 9:39am On Nov 10, 2013 |
ananwune:For crying out loud she's not an Esan woman even if she's married to a spanish man she's still a yoruba woman...her tribe will always be her tribe it is illogical to say a woman is now her husband tribe because she's married to him? 1 Like |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Emperor95(m): 9:43am On Nov 10, 2013 |
I really thank the op for this post. I understand your concerns, you needs and your husbands position. Like I always say, marriage is old fashioned and for it to be successful, you have to do it the old fashioned way...otherwise you have issues. The same reason a wife would change her surname and take a husbands name, is the same reason he determines what name his son would bear...wether English, esan, Yoruba, Hausa etc. and indeed which language he would speak...at least while the child is still in his house 1 Like |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by ferhyntorlah(f): 9:54am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Duke_Nija: Duke Naija, you guys don't speak it because you didn't move with those who speak Yoruba. As per inter-tribal marriage, my hand on dey. I can't marry a man who tongue I can't speak and don't understand. I don't want stories that touch. I'm sorry but I'm not ready to adapt to a new culture and traditions; the one I'm familiar with is okay. Conversing in English can be too formal at times; mother tongue has a way to relaxing and making me feel comfortable. Till now, I don't feel comfortable speaking English with my daddy and my siblings because we were brought up speaking Yoruba. Speaking English with them is just sooooo formal and too distant. It's only mummy I speak both comfortably with because she spoke both to me in my formative years. My daddy even told me that he decided long time before he got married that he wouldn't communicate with his children in English but Yoruba. The only thing that pains me till now is they didn't speak our dialect to us. I understand it when it's being spoken but can't speak it fluently and it pains me when I hear those younger than me or outsiders speak it! 1 Like |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by meforyou1(m): 9:55am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Don't understand some commentators here. How can can the woman teach the child esan when she doesn't understand the language. The man must be a bull to think that a mom is not supposed to speak her language to her child. This calls for divorce. It's early signs of bigger quaerels of the future 5 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by ferhyntorlah(f): 10:06am On Nov 10, 2013 |
kendraloops: Yes, it's an added advantage for the child. When he's with his mother's family, he will blend easily and same with daddy's side. Your husband needs to study the psychology of toddlers. When they are young, they assimilate as many things as possible. That's the way they have been wired. It's what they see/hear they absorb it and very fast too. He won't be confused at all; it's all part of learning. Please strike a deal with your husband; let him and his parents speak Esan to the child and you Yoruba and he would be taught English in school, place of worship etc. Even if you don't speak Yoruba to him, when you are conversing with your people and friends, he will pick the language. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by BarryX(m): 10:08am On Nov 10, 2013 |
chineloSA:Feminist 2 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by chineloSA(f): 10:09am On Nov 10, 2013 |
BarryX: Feminist What na? Where have you been? A very good morning. You were missed. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by nagoma(m): 10:18am On Nov 10, 2013 |
kendraloops: The interpreter at the UN General Assembly- I guess. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by ferhyntorlah(f): 10:19am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Off topic: I still don't know why some parents don't want their children to speak their mother tongue. Speaking the mother tongue has an advantage, it helps the child learn other languages easily because the mother tongue is the first language of contact the child is exposed to. Take Prof Wole Soyinka, late Dr Chinua Achebe and co. Were they brought up with English? In those days, parents communicate with their children in their native language and the children learn to speak English(Queens English at that) when they begin schooling. Prof. Soyinka won Nobel Laureate in Literature in 1986 and at the same time, he can speak "ijile" Yoruba(undiluted/strong Yoruba). Even English speakers are amazed at the way these authors write English when English isn't their native language. Also the late DIM Chukwumefu Ojukwu could speak English very well as well as his native Igbo tongue. I remember watching the video of his press conference when he declared the Biafran war; mehn! I tripped; he spoke Queen's English fluently. 2 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by lastpage: 10:26am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Tunmi: The father should speak the language to the son then. SIMPLE SOLUTION! The wife is Yoruba, she does not speak Esan language but Yoruba, so how can she teach a child, a language she herself does not speak? This Esan husband forming "gra-gra' should take it upon himself to teach his son, his language..... ....instead of threatening his wife and shifting responsibility to her. Wifey should just pipe down, dont speak Yoruba to your son in his presence and remind him to ALWAYS speak "Esan" to both fo you anytime he speaks to you or his son. Sooner than later, he will get fed-up with his over-exaggeration of this his God-given paternal bravado! Lastpage! |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Afam4eva(m): 10:27am On Nov 10, 2013 |
lastpage:I still can't find where the husband told the wife to speak Esan to the child. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by matnx: 10:38am On Nov 10, 2013 |
[quote author=chineloSA] Personally, how I would treat this is, my child has to know all his father culture, language etc before mine. Though I do not think the guy may have meant bad, but he meant it. The son is his son hence he bears his surname. I think you overreacted, since you said the child can still learn Yoruba either way. Teach your son all his fathers culture before yours. Your son may blame you when he does not fit in, in future. Your son is not Yoruba, he is Esan. Even with names, he has a right to deny you to give your son a Yoruba name, its his Esan son, not Yoruba son, so you were just pushing your luck. Are you sure you are not pregnant again [color=#990000][/color] Are you really serious? A woman has no right to her child? All these man made customs!!! You should read about different cultures of the world since obviously are really shortsighted and naive. He has no right to deny her of giving her son a yoruba name! Her son is both Esan and yoruba by the way. In the future he will fit in perfectly if he knows both languages. The child can choose any of his inherited custom in the future will it kill him later if he decides to be identified later on in life as a yoruba man for some reason let's say politically? In fact i just find your comment really disturbing and ridiculous!! 5 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Afam4eva(m): 10:42am On Nov 10, 2013 |
matnx: Are you really serious? A woman has no right to her child? All these man made customs!!! You should read about different cultures of the world since obviously are really shortsighted and naive. He has no right to deny her of giving her son a yoruba name! Her son is both Esan and yoruba by the way. In the future he will fit in perfectly if he knows both languages. The child can choose any of his inherited custom in the future will it kill him later if he decides to be identified later on in life as a yoruba man for some reason let's say politically?Some of you think marriage is a place where you go to claim right. Maybe since she can name her child by a Yoruba name since the child is equally Yoruba, how about cooking Yoruba and Esan food equally and not forgetting playing Yoruba and Esan music turn by turn. If we go like this then marriages will become like a troubled nation like Nigeria that will need a conference to solve. It's not by force to be in marriage. If you must marry then the two of you have to agree on how you want to live together. You don't go into it spoiling for war. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by winteriscoming: 10:43am On Nov 10, 2013 |
GSKing: I didn't know some people still live in the 20th century!!!More like stone age. I mean teach him both languages. A friend of my friend that I know speaks Yoruba better than me and he's Igbo. 1 Like |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by sdavirus: 10:47am On Nov 10, 2013 |
One thing you all should know is that Ishans are very proud of who they are, just like the Yorubas. I think he may be feeling a bit insecure, in the sense that, your son would grow up, becoming more of a Yoruba than an Esan Guy. I don't think it would have been an issue of one of you weren't too into your culture. Your son belongs to both of you, but the truth is he is more Edo than Yoruba, because when he grows up and he's asked where he's from, he would say Edo State, nobody fills in job application forms or whatever that "but my mom is from Ogun state" or wherever (God forbid you guys have a divorce, then in that case, if he's with you, he can decide to take your parents name) so in that sense, people would expect him to be able to speak his language properly. It would be worse for him not to be able to speak Esan than Yoruba. I mean, u live in the west, he should hear it everyday on the street.......although that doesnt always go, cos I for one grew up partly in Lagos, and can't speak Yoruba, most likely Cos of where we stayed I guess. Point is i guess its best he learns the Esan way before yoruba, but seeing you cant speak esan, your husband has to step up.....and when he refuses to, he shouldnt hold you back. You giving a Yoruba name shouldn't be an issue either.....its probably a fear that your son is going to be called by his Yoruba name than his Edo name.......like me for instance, since my mums Yoruba friends found out my name is also Sola, they have never ever called me by any of my other names. That may be what he's scared of, but hey, when the lad grows, he wld decide what's best for him. Your husband can't stop your parents from calling your son by his Yoruba name and speaking Yoruba to him. That is already a win for you....if you wanna look at it that way. And all those saying its enough ground for divorce, those are usually the ones that aren't married and take dungpiles from their men. Its your marriage, take charge and talk like adults. U guys can even start fighting about this, and your son would become like me.....I can't speak any.....and you would even be lucky if he can speak flawless English. I can't speak any..... I speak English and French. And oh, my folks prolly had dis issue.... Dunno, how it was sorted....But my maternal grandad said he's first grandson doesn't have a name from his tribe, so I must have one. And hey, I use all my names as I please. You guys should sit down and sort your stuff together......Don't just go in looking at it like a war u must win.........romance that his head and get your sway on while talking about it...... if its not going the way you want, feel free to throw in one or two "love knocks" on his head to re-align his thinking :p......you aren't on opposing sides, you guys are one.....biblically and culturally .......and hey, didn't your people marry you off to him, by collecting d dowry? :p We all have our Ups and Downs...... What differentiate us is how we handle our sh.. ...... I for one wont have a prob with my wife teaching my kids her lang.....we have already talked about it. Goodluck.....and God strengthen your union. I'm an Esan guy by the way very proud.....most I've typed in a long while. 3 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by gothrones(m): 10:50am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Afam4eva:Isn't that what you have been doing all along? You claimed that the man is the head. You talked about marital roles. You have been advocating for the man's rights in almost all your comments; but heavens forbid that a woman have her own rights. The child has a first and last name given by the father; but if the mother wants to give the child a middle name, then she is "claiming rights." The child must speak the father's language, but if the mother wants the child to speak her own language too, then she is "claiming rights." I detest how women's rights in Nigeria do not matter. 8 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by drnoel: 10:54am On Nov 10, 2013 |
kendraloops: I'm so so so very angry this evening. I've been having this issue with hubby for a while now, used to think he was kidding but this evening just confirmed it for me. There´s a way aroundd it but u guys have to find ur rhythm or should I say ur common ground. Hubby can forbid you from doing such but u can still speak reasonably with him to reconsider so u won´t hsave to disobey him and do what u want. I say this cos I know what is obtainable in our Nigerian setting. I know couples who speak different languages to their children. The husband speaks one the wife spesaks another. Look, the more the language a child grows up with and undertsands the better for that child. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Afam4eva(m): 10:56am On Nov 10, 2013 |
gothrones:Maybe i should go to church one day and claim my right to preach on the alter. There's an extent to which your right can take you. The man has a right imposed on him either by nature or popular wisdom. The woman should not try to take that away from him just as he wouldn't take the woman's own unique rights. Can the woman claim the right to have a penis? Let her stick to what she was given and stop trying to take another person's role. And i don't know why people always see the female role as being tantamount to slavery. It's not anybody that's born to be a leader. I know a guy that says he can't be the owner of the business or even the head of a managerial position because he's talented at being a follower. It's only someone who's an oliver twist that will want to assume numerous responsibilities especially if someone is already handling some of these responsibilities. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by paycorrect(m): 10:59am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Is the public forum the best place to bring up these issues. No wonder most marriages a packing up. |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by chinjo(m): 11:04am On Nov 10, 2013 |
What I can deduce from ur comments shows that u are the domineering type of wives who has no respect for her husband's opinion. Firstly, by forcing ur husband to give ur child a yoruba name and secondly by insist on speaking yoruba to him. Esan men are proud and always want to be in charge. Disobeying him will only do you more harm than good. I am an Esan man and I grew up in Ilorin. My dad always frown at us when he hears us speaking Yoruba (AZANAMA) as against Ishan. Obedience is better than sacrifice |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by ikeyman00(m): 11:05am On Nov 10, 2013 |
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quote from op this alone shows u got some wahala on ur side it either u go along moslem or christianity way u cant have both hmm yeye smell strong even after death |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by Nobody: 11:06am On Nov 10, 2013 |
Such a long thread! Children can learn many language as long as you speak it to them. Your kids can learn , Yoruba, Esan, English etc. There must be someone willing to interact with them. Don't limit your kids to English alone. Forget accent, as long as he can communicate with it. But sometimes, speak little Esan to them, maybe how to welcome their daddy in Esan , how to greet etc. Your husband will even be the one helping you with Esan and also th e kids, like that everyone is happy |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by luvablesam(m): 11:08am On Nov 10, 2013 |
deols: He is disgustingly feeling inferior. U are very STU.PID....cos u are frm a certain tribe doesn't make u or ur kind superior. Am sure u ar an educated illetrate.....u really showed ur foolly on this comment......am so sure u av neva travelled past ur village,area or lagos cos u are obviously YORUBA. I pity a man that wud consider u for a blind date talkless of marriage 5 Likes |
Re: Banned From Speaking My Language To My Baby by jaybee3(m): 11:15am On Nov 10, 2013 |
chinjo: Obedience is better than sacrifice Please explain? |
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