Elliotwiz1: hmmmm forget, if you did not understand my point in my previous posts, i doubt if any other comment will make it more pellucid..lets just act like none of this happened....merry xmass;d

snoopy: @eliotwiz and getrichfast actually references are important. Firstly this is a competition and you need to provide verifiable sources of ur information to determine the veracity of used facts. Secondly, anybody could just google up stuff and overlift any material with little or no individual effort and therefore references are needed to acknowledge whose material was used else it would amount to plagiarism. The same way final year students and even up to phd students who write their thesis and dissertations are required to properly reference any material that was used and doing otherwise could attract a penalty. Besides prior to your debate, there had been cases where marks were deducted from those who didn't properly reference their materials and it makes me wonder how y'all could have repeated the same mistake. I hope u understand my point

boay:

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If we didnt settle this, it will later be a catalyst for another problem, Just like a previous one did to this debate

Elliotwiz1: well i can see snoopy is beginning to modify his posts, i believe he is now understanding me.

aysuccess99: hmmn, what did I have to say, all went and gone.....but i would like to say a few things.....there's still hope for the hopeless.....
So, to the great NDU debaters, you guys are great. you did a wonderful job and fired us effectively.....you guys are great, so i doff my cap 4 u guys......nd u guys don't need to blame the judges 4 anything, the main thing is that u won and u qualified.

Elliotwiz1: i said that because i didn't want you to say i am taking this as a do or die affair, because if u did i would have gotten really angry, i sensed that someone would soon make such comment.............you can see that snoopy is beginning to modify his posts, i believe he has seen the sense in what I've been saying so far.

snoopy:

Nah I didn't modify, those were double posts...I understand ur argument but thing is you have every right to complain if you feel cheated, I just thought I should explain things so u could see it from anoda angle. Once again congrats sir

Elliotwiz1: oh no! They didn't.... A reference must be a LINK not a word, it must take u to that point were that information must be verified, what they did was post a sentence.... E.g Reference:vanguard is this a reference? Look at their second speaker.... I am most disappointed in boay, fynestboi and deschyko.... These are people that i thought can stand up for right even if it affects them negatively, btw was the second judge present yesterday? Why was his ranking accepted when he did not participate?

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The criticisms of the essays have been posted on a space in 'page 4' of this thread, which I reserved. Sorry for not posting it earlier..was occupied.

Elliotwiz1: are you the judge? If you are, please lets have a quiet question and answer chat on your decisions and what you think about what i think.....1- did the second speaker of UI post a reference?

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TEAM NDU

I must commend your team work. The absence of conflicts in the arguments of both participants is a joy to behold. Keep it up. However, the lack of clear-cut evidence in both works, as well as references to corroborate the given information weighed down on your presentation. You must appreciate the importance of such.

Elliotwiz1 I must say I'm impressed by the experts' view of your arguments. You garnered enough points to quell any professional differences. But then your essay had no topic (subject matter) and there were cheap mistakes here and there, which would have been avoided with proper proofreading. Also, you must not give your opponents 'leads', like mentioning 'challenges' without nullifying them directly. Your performance at the rebuttals was enviable.

Getrichfast presented the best topic alignment overall, but placing it behind your start almost ruined it. Also, you didn't state your stance in the body of the essay and didn't address the judges' call for clarification. However, your knowledge of the topic is commendable. More impressing however, is the presentation of the 'non-CBN' point of view of your arguments. Good job to familiarize commoners with the relevance. Remarkable improvement from your last time out by the way.

TEAM UNIBEN

Your topics were really poorly made up. You must realize the importance of the subject matter to your plight and the audience comprehension of your viewpoint. But then, the simplistic approach of your team to the topic aided the flow of your arguments. Welldone.

Aysuccess99 did greatly by familiarizing the controversial issue with the audience. Your arguments (especially the procedural list) appealed to the human emotions matter-of-factly. But the, there were cheap errors here and there, one which could have been avoided via proper 'proofreading. And by the way, I'm a 'male' human.

Olalerey's 'early arrival' was greatly appreciated by the audience, I believe. The conclusion and introductory explanation of your work begs for attention. It was roughly done. However straightforward your points were, the presence of repeated errors and your absence at rebuttals were not appreciable. You'll have to give more. More grease.


In general, both sides knew their roles as 'chief' and 'supporting' speakers. I wish to see both teams go far and work together as a team more often. To present something this excellent must have taken a lot from you. One thing we must hold on to, is that we can only come out better than we were, regardless.

And the co-ordinators idea(s) to post the works themselves is a brilliant one. Thumbs up!

Omolola1:

Deschyko, did you copy mine

I see no need to post mine to avoid unneccesary repitition, deschyko has said it all.

I wasn't able to ask questions because I had a terrible network all through yesterday. When it became stable, the debate had already ended and so I read through the debates and rebuttals and GRADED accordingly.
Let it be known that I DID NOT deduct any marks..I scored both sides based on their arguments and rebuttals. ., the organizers did that

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Elliotwiz1.. Those essays are too damn long. Went through all yesterday, you wanna send me through 'em again?? Haba.. I was half-expecting you to gimme an address for the after-party. You just qualified..That's what the debate sums up, right?

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Elliotwiz.. I will on one condition.. That you tell me where the after-party is happening..and keep me a bo'le of Mc Dowells.. Deal?

Elliotwiz1: welldone, at least there s someone who understands my point, your hands are clean, this means boay and fynestboi hmm hmmmm hmmm

Elliotwiz1: Fine, apology accepted, oat return our points when una thief.

Elliotwiz1:

Elliotwiz1: welldone, at least there s someone who understands my point, your hands are clean, this means boay and fynestboi hmm hmmmm hmmm

Elliotwiz1: i said you are bias true, and that's not an insult, all this while i didn't even know you were the one who did it! If you go through all my posts you would observe that i was directing them at the judges not you..... You refused to see the sense in the nonsense I've been saying, even till now you are still saying you are right. Even after one of the judges have openly condemned what you did, you still say you re right, fine...i understand, once we start to believe something we become blind to the arguments against it and see all the arguments for it, but in this case, my facts are even stronger.... In the first round nothing like that happened why now , so many questions and comments that i made, but an insult is something i did not involve please i request that u post the comments containing insults and I'll apologise.

Fynestboi: I think where my fault is, is the part of me nt taking note of Olalerey reference, i jumped into conclusion simply because i cant find any reference link to Ndu argument even if its just the name we can still overlook that, NDU let forget about this such wnt occur anymore.....

Elliotwiz1: i said you are bias true, and that's not an insult, all this while i didn't even know you were the one who did it! If you go through all my posts you would observe that i was directing them at the judges not you..... You refused to see the sense in the nonsense I've been saying, even till now you are still saying you are right. Even after one of the judges have openly condemned what you did, you still say you re right, fine...i understand, once we start to believe something we become blind to the arguments against it and see all the arguments for it, but in this case, my facts are even stronger.... In the first round nothing like that happened why now , so many questions and comments that i made, but an insult is something i did not involve please i request that u post the comments containing insults and I'll apologise.

Fynestboi: what are saying? And do you want to tell me you dont knw its wrong for an essay not to be reference?