iphedahyor: God created Adam and Eve(I believe they are both white) into the garden of Eden which is neither in Nigeria nor Africa.
Somebody should tell me the biblical or quranic origin of the black
Do u succumb that u're a descendant of Cush/Kush the son of Ham/Kham who was cursed by his father Noah?

Adam and Eve, Noah have no place in Yoruba origin.
One thing is the story is not literal

bigfrancis21: I wanted to skip this but thought I'd address this issue.

I'm active at bringing down yoruba's greatness? What's so great about yoruba's ATR anyway? What's also there to bring down in the first place? And other ATRs too? I'm sorry if you feel that way about me but you're wrong.

While defending your religion in the spirit of solidarity, which I understand, and parading it as the greatest and best in the world, you've utterly failed to realize, on the flip side, that you're yoruba only in this incarnation. In the next one, you'll probably be chinese and practise confucanism or shintoism and probably parade confucanism as the best and greatest religion in the world. Then in another lifetime as an indian, and parade Buddhism as the best in the world. Religions are man-made things.

However, spiritual evolution and spiritual knowledge doesn't belong to any religion, group or anybody and is universal to everyone. It supersedes all religions of the earth. It contains universal truths which are lacking in man-made religions. You'll never find universal truths in religions. You'll have to step outside the blindfold of religion in order to be able to perceive and know the truth.

For a second I almost thought you stepped out of the christian religion into spirituality, not knowing you jumped into ATR instead. Its like you took a step front and then one step right back to where you were before.

Like Sushieater said, this isn't about my religion is greater than your religion. You're wearing the thick foggy lenses of religion and I'm trying to pull you out from its shackles.

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macof:

Every soul is connected. we all have a common source, the soul of the mad man in your village is connected to you.

So singling out Jesus is pathetic and a criminal intent. Orunmila's soul is connected to everyone, Jesus's soul is connected to everyone, Ojukwu's soul is connected to everyone.

We all come from the same place. Wats your agenda with all this Jesus supremacist? Pls explain This your new concept of Jesus that even Christians don't know

So you're subjugating Jesus to the back seat and bringing forward orumila as equal to or greater than Jesus?

Also did you just describe Jesus as a dead man?

bigfrancis21:

So you're subjugating Jesus to the back seat and bringing forward orumila as equal to or greater than Jesus?

Also did you just describe Jesus as a dead man?

ofcourse. jesus is a dead man.

Orunmila existed before jesus.

jesus plagarized from jewish texts. Orunmila didnt.

bigfrancis21:

Ancient Jews or Hebrews rather were pagans. It isn't only an african thing. If you worship man-made gods, attribute names, powers and meanings to them, offer sacrifices to them, the word for it is 'pagan'.

Wats this rubbish about man made gods How can a man make a primordial Energy? You really know nothing about spirituality and read from books
Paganism is simply natural way of tribe.

The God force is infinite, loving, great and mighty and can never be subjugated into a mere wood or tiny graven image. Never. Man, in his limited senses and being mortal act from mediocrity. Many slumber for they know it not. They don't know who they truly are and where they come from.

lmao Funny guy, Talking like a true Christian, abeg don't deny your mentality is built on Christian ideology.

Hence they attribute their lives to carved images and so-called gods which from the spiritual angle(in the afterlife) are totally meaningless and lacking in truth and knowledge required for spiritual growth and soul evolution. What does paganism tell us about our purpose on earth here? What does it tell you about where you come from and the life beyond earth? What does it tell you about your immortality and your soul? Absolutely nothing. Totally lackluster. All it cares about is killing, spilling red blood and making blood sacrifices

Chai! Big francis you fall hand. So you are this ignorant? I never knew. Pls learn, research and understand things before you come spilling thrash. Paganism is not all spirituality but tradition, culture and language. Paganic Spiritualities are have High understanding of the primordial and Spiritual world.

to some angry wooden image(amadioha, sango, orumila etc)

wow! So Orunmila is mere wooden image? Lol Orunmila has no Idol representation. I wonder wat Jesus is if Sango is a mere wooden image, That would make Jesus a mere statue

and at the end of the day souls are misguided and lost and find themselves repeating the life cycle all over. That's the fact. Its the same way for certain world religions. It is the lack of spirituality in ATR and many world religions that made the God force to send a representative of his, a soul who embarked on the earth journey long ago and had attained
spiritual evolution - the epitome of the God force's desire for us, to visit earth and teach earthlings about our true home, and our purpose in life, so as to focus on what's important in life in order to escape the endless cycle of death and rebirth. Unfortunately, his message has been distorted greatly over the centuries into modern-day christianity.

and this universal messenger that God sent only stayed in one location, he couldn't travel the world and preach in Brazil, Nigeria, Senegal etc. You are confused mate, you don't know where you are.

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bigfrancis21:

So you're subjugating Jesus to the back seat and bringing forward orumila as equal to or greater than Jesus?

Also did you just describe Jesus as a dead man?

Pls give a list of Jesus achievement and I'll give a list of Orunmila's

Of course, Jesus is dead like every human who passes his life span.

Macof, You called me a fool?

bigfrancis21: I wanted to skip this but thought I'd address this issue.

I'm active at bringing down yoruba's greatness? What's great about yoruba's ATR in the first place? What's also there to bring down in the first place? And other ATRs too? I'm sorry if you feel that way about me but you're wrong.

While defending your religion in the spirit of solidarity, which I understand, and parading it as the greatest and best in the world, you've utterly failed to realize, on the flip side, that you're yoruba only in this incarnation. In the next one, you'll probably be chinese and practise confucanism or shintoism and probably parade confucanism as the best and greatest religion in the world. Then in another lifetime as an indian, and parade Buddhism as the best in the world. Religions are man-made things.

However, spiritual evolution and spiritual knowledge doesn't belong to any religion, group or anybody and is universal to everyone. It supersedes all religions of the earth. It contains universal truths which are lacking in man-made religions. You'll never find universal truths in religions. You'll have to step outside the blindfold of religion in order to be able to perceive and know the truth.

For a second I almost thought you stepped out of the christian religion into spirituality, not knowing you jumped into ATR instead. Its like you took a step front and then one step right back to where you were before.

Like Sushieater said, this isn't about my religion is greater than your religion. You're wearing the thick foggy lenses of religion and I'm trying to pull you out from its shackles.

Ok maybe am mistaken but why do you always tackle Yoruba issues and act all anti-Yoruba?

I would never assume Yoruba supremacist in anything, every pagan civilization has a wonderful pantheon, Great understanding of The primordial forces, it's not for one group of people alone.

But I try to develope and always active in Yoruba issues because it's my duty as a Yoruba man to carry my Ethnic group High and be proud of it.

If I wasn't Yoruba I could be Mayan, Greek, Igbo or Japanese, and I've studied their pagan spirituality and it's no different from the Yoruba concepts only with different stories. Check them out, they all explain the same thing.

@bigfrancis21,it's obvious that u don't bliv that rapture will occur or the world will end oneday,neither do I

The only problem I have with trad religion is the human rituals involved. Keeping a whole set or group of people to serve or sacrifice to juju. Thats all.

bigfrancis21: Macof, You called me a fool?

Am sorrymy friend, I didnt mean to insult, I was actually laughing out loud as I typed it.

The very statement that made me laugh was where you stated "Yoruba pagans kill and spill blood in sacrifice to angry wooden images like Sango and Orunmila"

Orunmila has no idol anywhere, his devotess don't carve images to represent him. Opon Ifa and Opele is all the equipment needed to represent Orunmila.

And whe don't worship idols, we carve them just like how Christians carve images of Jesus and Mary. It's wat they represent that we worship.


And we don't kill and spill blood like savages, we use animals, human sacrifice is unheard of in Yoruba pagan rituals.

The Gods are personified Primordial Energies that sustain the universe not mere idols. Idols are earthly representation, We are not Fools to take stone and wood as our creator, We know wat we are doing and Being naturalist and spiritualist, it's No ones Job to come and tell us wat we don't do- that is telling us we worship demons or mere wood.

That's wat you've been doing since and it's your lack of knowledge and understanding in this matter upon the way you talk with authority that marvels me.

Am sorry
Next time try to understand people because you Clearly don't understand Paganic spirituality

delishpot: The only problem I have with trad religion is the human rituals involved. Keeping a whole set or group of people to serve or sacrifice to juju. Thats all.

haven't u heard of the so-called pastors burrying human beings alive in their church.

delishpot: The only problem I have with trad religion is the human rituals involved. Keeping a whole set or group of people to serve or sacrifice to juju. Thats all.

True some Pagan rituals deal with human sacrifice but not in this age.
The constitution of most countries prohibits killing humans like that and Pagans are naturally law abiding.
But go to Saudi Arabia and see people,killing for Allah and also all this extremist muslims who take to bombs and guns to convert people, It's a cruel world and instead of running away from your identity, reform it and bring a new understanding.

In a state in the USA they prohibited animal sacrifice which our Yoruba brothers stopped in that state.

In those days when the whole world was pagan, Human sacrifice existed in major places, Criminals and those captured from war were used, never have innocent people be forced to offer their lifes.
There's always a fair check on the person's status before the sacrifice is done
Sometimes some give their life for their community in times of danger and urgent need for rituals and sacrifice.

There are certain laws in different traditions, And breaking that law results in death penalty. The death is always done in sacrifice, because it's the belief that the blood shouldn't just go to waste.

delishpot: The only problem I have with trad religion is the human rituals involved. Keeping a whole set or group of people to serve or sacrifice to juju. Thats all.

what tribe are you from?

Anyways human sacrifice was reserved for Monarchs, etc., and during special occasions such as wars ,etc.

Human sacrifice was a communal affair.

The human used would be criminals or POWs captured during war, who would anyways be executed.

Among some Yoruba states, the way they chose was that the entire town or city would decide to do a human sacrifice , usually presided over by the Chief or Governor of the township. Then if they couldnt get hold of a criminal, everyone would contribute money to purchase a captured POW so that everyone was involved and could benifit from the sacrifice. Then the human would be allowed to revel and do whatever he liked for 1-3 days and all his wishes granted , as long as he did not escape. Then on the appointed day, the person would be sacrificed.

Such elaborate rituals are not plausible these days. Neither are they necessary. It is just that humans have a more complex soul, therefore the sacrifice will be more powerful.



Again it depends on your ethnic group as well. My religion never used human sacrifice.



It is mostly prosperous civilizations in the past that used human sacrifices. (e.g., Aztecs, etc.)

iphedahyor: U got it all wrong,2 me I bliv life is a teacher and we are all learners.We learn everyday from any and everything we encounter.
I only posted this topic to share and clear my view and expected others to do the same.
Nobody is mr knowall or mr perfect.I admitted the fact that I'm less holy.So,it won't b a crime if u enlighten me by telling me wat I don't know rather than castigating me.

If you encounter the power of God through Jesus, you won't argue any more. If U said U spoke to satan, how did U know he exists in the first place ?

Not buying the Orunmila or Jesus or God thing.
The first two were ordinary men and the last was made up by ordinary men

MeandSum: Not buying the Orunmila or Jesus or God thing.
The first two were ordinary men and the last was made up by ordinary men

Of course they were ordinary men like any other. Men are not Gods and Gods cannot live as men.
And the idea of God was made by men...here's more on this
www.nairaland.com/1577497/god-science

iphedahyor: read Gen4vs17 and Gen5vs18,compare d two together and tell me who the real father of Enoch was,JARED or CAIN?

BOTH

OP, desist from this type of conversations. A lot schizophrenics started out this way.

Interesting