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Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 8:57pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
Indra Krishnamurthy Nooyi, an Indian-born American, is a business executive and the current Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer of PepsiCo, the second largest food and beverage business on in the world. And at the same time, she still is a mom, wife and daughter back home. Q. What's your opinion about whether women can have it all? http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/07/why-pepsico-ceo-indra-k-nooyi-cant-have-it-all/373750/ 18 Likes
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Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Gboliwe: 9:08pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
Smart and intelligent woman. Your thread title is in error sha, nobody, I mean, no single person, has it all. Its not about being a career person or a full time home wife. 25 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by ireneidiva(f): 10:03pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
Did she resign at the end of the day? No. So I don't get. 4 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Nobody: 10:15pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
ireneidiva: Did she resign at the end of the day? No. So I don't get. ![]() ![]() ![]() I was also waiting to see the part where she had to quit her job or leave her home, lol ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by armyofone(m): 10:35pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
I read about her while taking leadership & mgmt class. Textbooks don't add juicy stuff ![]() Really? Who gave her the ultimatum? Her husband? Is he a Nigerian missing his wife food? alutacontinua: 1 Like |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by damiso(f): 10:35pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
When it comes heading big business it is not even a gender specific thing.You just have to sometimes sacrifice that recital, that parent teacher meeting, that school play and one way or the other let down your children.That is not necessarily black and white good or bad because every good thing or anything of value tends to come with sacrifices.. Its easier when you have a great support network like she did in her mum (and my mum had her in her own mum before she passed on as my dad was also on the move alot) but she does have a point that it's sometimes hard to manage a work life balance when you get to the peak of certain proffessions.Its the same for men too but it just tends to be women who feel a bit more guilty about it. I know a family where the kids have travelled to most of the countries in the world with their mum on vacation but were sooo thrilled when their Dad was finally able to join them on a family holiday to Gambia.But the truth is Daddy has to sacrifice that time with them to pay for a very expensive education and lifestyle. 12 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
She apparently has a good support system in place. Plus an understanding husband. As far as I can tell, the best gift a career woman can ever have is an understanding husband. Any other thing is secondary. 35 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 11:24pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
I didn't read your thread But in response to the topic only. No one can have it all. Even successful career men. It's fallacy thinking one can. The idea is to get as good of both worlds as possible. And it is possible when you have a partner who's dreams and goals align with yours. There for each other. Back to back. And a successful career woman can have it good. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Nobody: 11:57pm On Jul 02, 2014 |
No one can have it all. Not the successful one and definitely not the unsuccessful one. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Nobody: 4:56am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Somebody just have to head those mighty Corporations married/unmarried and U won't have it all else you lose it all !! As a Career Oriented person , all u need is great investment in support system especially in closer families and Technology also any little break you have should be spend around your folks Home and away from home .... They would miss but not much !! 1 Like |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by crackhaus: 9:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
You might beIn reference to the emboldened, I believe that is the message to be passed across here or maybe the most important one....and coming from a woman just makes it much more credible. If a man (or her husband) had said that, I believe this thread would have taken a different turn by now. Some would have lambasted him for not getting the milk because he came home earlier, some would be quick to label him dominant, some might even go as far as calling him a caveman....but this here spoken by an experienced woman speaks volumes. A woman married into a home remains a woman with roles; she is a wife, a mother, a housekeeper, and a caretaker. It really doesn't matter if she earns a six-figure salary as the CEO in the article probably does or if she earns a few thousand. I get irritated sometimes when I have to read some comments here by females claiming that if their husbands get home before them, he has to fix everything and not wait for her to come back and do it herself...that just speaks volumes in bad upbringing, and like the mother of the CEO in the article rightly put it, once a woman is inside her home, she is first a wife and a mother before she is whatever she is at her workplace. 33 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 10:34am On Jul 03, 2014 |
alutacontinua: U and ireneidiva are missing out on the point, who says she has to quit her job, there are answers in that little post yet u couldn't see it ![]() 9 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 10:37am On Jul 03, 2014 |
damiso: When it comes heading big business it is not even a gender specific thing.You just have to sometimes sacrifice that recital, that parent teacher meeting, that school play and one way or the other let down your children.That is not necessarily black and white good or bad because every good thing or anything of value tends to come with sacrifices.. What a wonderful story, u see..money is not everything, dat is y in africa (nigeria especially) the kids are more closer to the mother who spends much time with them even with the fact dat the dad might be the one paying their school fees @ harvard. Parenting isn't easy. May the lord help us all not to fail in dat aspect. 4 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 10:39am On Jul 03, 2014 |
sauer: She apparently has a good support system in place. Plus an understanding husband. Fully seconded 1 Like |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 10:40am On Jul 03, 2014 |
cococandy: I didn't read your thread Wish u could, the main message being passed to her from her mom is "You might be president of PepsiCo. You might be on the board of directors.But when you enter this house, you're the wife, you're the daughter, you're the daughter-in-law, and you’re the mother.You're all of that. Nobody else can take that place. So leave that damned crown in the garage. And don't bring it into the house." 4 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 11:06am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Doesn't that contradict the topic sentence? being a wife,mother,daughter,care taker,home keeper is a beautiful position to be in. Leave what crown at the garage? This where you guys get it wrong. 'Wifehood' 'motherhood' is a crown itself. What you just said makes it sound like all the above are lowly positions and once a woman who's CEO in any big shot company gets home what she need to do is remove the crown. and become what?? I think I get the message you guys are wrongly trying to pass accross. It's the right message. But it's being passed the wrong way. Being the caretaker and the mother and wife in a home is a very exulted position. And unless a woman is confused about her role in the family,she won't see it as not having it all. If I can rise to be a CEO and a leader in any public outfit with the respect and benefits that goes with it. Then on reaching home,I'm the undisputed mother,wife and care giver. Taking care of my family and trying as much as possible to give them my best. Then I will count myself as someone who has it all.it may not be 100 percent. And some days might just be hell. But that's as close to perfect as life can be. So one can't say a woman who's the CEO in her workplace and the woman/wife/mother/caregiver in her home is not having it all.if anything,it is the dream of most women. Bigsteveg: 6 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by bukatyne(f): 11:10am On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: Hunger never wire the man! A man gets home like 2hrs before his wife and waits for her to come back before eating? If he cannot fix dinner for his wife because he is the head/man/oga or she is the tail, can't he get something for himself? Like I said, hunger never wire am. 17 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by crackhaus: 11:23am On Jul 03, 2014 |
bukatyne:Missing the point again.. A hungry man who knows how to cook will prepare something for himself to eat or probably bring out something from the freezer already prepared and just heat it up. Now you brought up the fixing dinner for his wife thing, this here is the misunderstanding. If he does it, nice, no stress...but a man who doesn't do that should not be labelled or attacked for it. It is solely his prerogative to make dinner or not to, whether women like to hear it or not...that's just how it's been. Also, if he decides to wait up for his wife and doesn't eat anything (maybe hunger never wire am)...will a good wife come back and go straight to bed without fixing dinner all because she wants to prove a point? like really? 11 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by ireneidiva(f): 11:32am On Jul 03, 2014 |
Bigsteveg:I already said I don't get. So please, show me what I'm missing out. |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by bukatyne(f): 11:53am On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: This is not about proving a point. If we do not have a joint/project account, I will never wait for my hubby to come back home before paying Light/Water/refuse etc. fee when I have the money with me. If my hubby waits for me to come back home to fix a meal when he is not ill or very busy, I will not be pleased. Marriage is a partnership and I do not see the reason A or B should wait for B or A before doing something that can be handled by either party But then again, we all see things differently. 12 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by crackhaus: 12:28pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
bukatyne:And when either A or B decides to wait and does not handle that thing before the other gets back, what happens then? Is it to be a cause for grudges and resentment? Your example about paying bills is somewhat besides the point, but I'll indulge it by asking this question... "How many men have you heard/seen/come across complaining or harboring a grudge because their wives did not pay the light/water/refuse bill compared to the number of women who complain and resent the idea that their husbands don't help out with house chores/cooking?" I'll give a clue to the answer, no reasonable man would dare open his mouth to complain of such to anyone because he knows that by default, it's his responsibility. This is my point... There are gender-specific roles, it's the reality whether we like it or not because thousands of years of evolution has made it so. The world is not ideal, heck nothing tangible in the world follows the laws of ideality except the intangible (gravity, mass, light, etc). If a woman is lucky enough to have a husband who satisfies her in every nook and cranny of her life (still highly unlikely as y'all always find something to complain about), then good for her. But for women married to men who find sharing the responsibility of chores/cooking/cleaning unimportant whether or not the wife works as much as he does (best believe, they many), then it's not a bad thing either because by default it is not what naturally comes to him.....thus, a sensible woman who values her marriage must not make it a big deal but instead try to get her husband to do little by being polite, respectful and humorous...this is how smart women deal with it, I've seen it happen a lot..sometimes the man even sees it as a new challenge and deliberately does the chore/cooking just to lighten the mood and get good laughs. The summary is that a woman should not be making it like it's a must or a responsibility to do those.....I repeat, it is his prerogative just as it's a woman's prerogative to pay bills without waiting for her man to do it. 17 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 12:49pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: The summary is that a woman should not be making it like it's a must or a responsibility to do those.....I repeat, it is his prerogative just as it's a woman's prerogative to pay bills without waiting for her man to do it. this part is not true. Not with the present crop of men floating everywhere now. It's no longer her prerogative. It has become the expected. And MANY men these days WILL and do complain when wifey isn't matching up financially to him. Believe it or not.it is true. So I can undersatnd a wife complaining too when the man isn't helping out in the house. Because we have seen and still keep seeing situations where the man complains wifey isn't helping financially. He expects her to pick up bills too and work.there's nothing wrong with her expecting him to chip in with home keeping too. All I see with men who do that are those who want to eat their cakes and have it back. Plus some extra. When they are expecting and even demanding money from wives,they don't remember it is their god-given duty to provide but when it's time to play house because madam is out there making that money they want badly,then they remember it is her role to take care of the home. That being said,I don't think there should be any fixed rule for that. Any man who can(for example) cook but won't cook to relieve wifey of stress because he's a man or any woman who has the money but won't pay bills to relieve hubby of the burden just because she's a woman have no business getting married. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by bukatyne(f): 12:52pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: @ Bolded, What if the couple have a joint account they both must fund? What if the wife must contribute a certain percentage towards the upkeep of the home? Is it still his prerogative to do chores when he 'likes'? Like 2Buff said in a thread he condemned housewives who were complaining that their husbands did not help them with chores when they go home, marriage is a partnership where the two join hands together to make it work. They may both work/share chores or one works and the other holds the home front. Anyways, that's why we have courtship; everybody should know themselves and know their intended 4 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Bigsteveg(m): 1:11pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Well, dat maybe u..av seen cases of women who are not even managers, who even when dey get home, wanna dictate....check out most of our celebs (i have seen diff cases), most of them are more concerned about their public image dan their home. cococandy: Doesn't that contradict the topic sentence? |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 1:31pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Yea that's true It goes both ways too. I've seen men both big and small who try to dictate to their wives. If anyone can't treat their spouse with the respect they deserve,they have no business being married. Bigsteveg: Well, dat maybe u..av seen cases of women who are not even managers, who even when dey get home, wanna dictate....check out most of our celebs (i have seen diff cases), most of them are more concerned about their public image dan their home. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by crackhaus: 2:05pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
cococandy:Your post @emboldened is not entirely right. Pray tell, what is the present crop of men? And did you say MANY will complain about their wives not helping to pay bills? You can't possibly believe this, because this situation you just described is very much in the minority...thus you can't say MANY. Besides, it's highly probable that it's only a man with a lesser paying job or with no job at all who can openly complain about bills not being paid by his wife. I'm honestly yet to come across a working man who would see the bills piling up and wait for his wife to pay it or get angry and complain about her not paying it. Bukatyne made a good point with the 'mutual agreement' to share bills, but in a case where this agreement Isn't made formally, a normal working man making his money will not fuzz about paying bills...it's not even conceivable. You spoke about men wanting to eat their cake and have it? What cake exactly? Having a shared responsibility in paying bills and still leaving the house work to the woman? Is this what you mean? Well that doesn't even fit logically, because at the end of the day it's the woman who still wants to be treated like a queen after the man decides to help with housework. Now who wants to eat their cake and have it? And no you're wrong, MANY men don't complain that their wives don't match up financially to them...as a matter of fact, that's the kind of position MANY men enjoy being in to avoid a woman getting the impression that she brings exactly or close to what he brings into the home. As for men who are expecting and demanding money from their wives, again this your theory is very much localized to men with no job or a very little income stream....NO MAN with a job and steady source of income that exceeds that of his wife will expect money from her, not to mention demand...the exception to this is if they both agreed to jointly share a certain task as regards money. With regards to your last paragraph, a man such as that will still get married...they're getting married everyday and their wives have learned and understood the man they married. So here is a question women find hard to understand...Maybe you can answer it, "when a man decides that he cannot share household chores with his wife, maybe not explicitly but noticeably...what should/will the woman do about it?" Let's be realistic here and for once remove the NL cloak. Do you advice her to divorce or start sulking or start frowning her face or begin disrespecting her husband because he refused to yield to her? Will the marriage not go on in peace while that woman finds a way to go about it if it bothers her so much? It is not a competition, the moment a woman starts to act forcibly and pressuring her husband about chores, that marriage starts on a downward slope...because whether we like it or not, MOST men don't like being told what to do or how to do it especially by their wives. They may not show it and go ahead to obey for peace sake, but it bothers them within...and the more the wife stresses him over sharing chores, the closer it is for him to start having an excuse for staying out late just to balance out the 'who comes home first' problem. This is even the mild one, some would even become nonchalant and turn a deaf ear to that woman until she gets tired of talking. 6 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by crackhaus: 2:36pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
bukatyne:It is his prerogative. If he wants to do it, fine...and if he doesn't, nothing wrong. That's the reality of it, regardless of having a joint account. And yes marriage is a partnership, no one is disputing that...but if sharing every single responsibility is your definition of partnership, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Partnership is understanding what works for everyone involved and knowing when to adjust, it is not about sharing responsibilities equally right down the middle in 50/50 fashion. Even with this joint account arrangement, it still may not be an exact 50/50 thing because if for instance the man earns 200k and his wife earns 150k, they won't contribute the exact same amount monthly...this is why I said nothing is ideal in this world, to believe otherwise is paramount to delusion. A man will still do those chores his wife is incapable of doing like changing light bulbs, washing the cars, taking them for servicing, changing the oil in the generator, servicing the generator if he can, fixing broken fixture and furniture around the house, changing tires, plumbing, etc.... I really could go on and on... Basically, the husband is the first handyman on site; he is the electrician, the plumber, the mechanic, the contractor, the painter, the carpenter...Honestly, I could go on and on again. But does a woman who believes in sharing responsibilities equally extend it to include all of this? The answer is NO, why? because women already believe it is the man's job and yet the man is crucified for restricting his involvement in kitchen duty. Like you said about knowing the person before you marry them, this is true but still it's not an absolute solution...people wake up with different feelings everyday and you can't possibly expect or think anyone is incapable of changing. 5 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 2:41pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
crackhaus: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cKaiser: 2:48pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Thats why all these black women who just pick up feminism by the roadside and carry it on their head just make me laugh All other successful races have their women playing their roles as mothers wifes and still progressing in their career But a black woman by the time she gets a small 9-5 job at McDonalds, No one would hear any word again, Its Im a strong black woman, my husband should be washing the ground i step on A woman a whole CEO of Pepsico still plays her wifely and motherly duties without complaining but if na all these black women na all the world for don hear. Na to first chase the husband comot because he is probably not making as much as her then harass everyone even her drivers, juniors and cook on how much she makes and how she is strong and independent like say na only dem 4 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cococandy(f): 2:55pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
Ckaiser Have you wondered what those men are doing right? Besides who told you there aren't successful career women with intact homes in Nigeria and other black countires? And what's the relationship with feminism? You lost me there. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by cKaiser: 3:07pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
^^ Its on record that black women are the ones with the highest rate on broken down families or non existing family structure. The aggression of a black woman both at the family front and at the work place has made them tagged "Angry black women" Hardly do you hear an Asian woman yelling about feminism but its blacks who take it on their head and feminism is anti-traditional family. Most feminist dont even believe they should be under any man's roof like this CEO, playing wife and daughter-in-law BTW those who operate in the traditional family setup of man and wife still have a significantly higher chance of success 3 Likes |
Re: Successful Career Women Can't Have It All - Pepsi CEO, Indra Nooyi by Nobody: 3:10pm On Jul 03, 2014 |
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