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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by Nobody: 9:48am On Aug 14, 2014
@OP the question is a bit biased. Programming code is a process of arranging code in a syntactically and logically operational manner such that an objective is achieved. The nomenclature of the particular language can be learned and mastered by just about anybody.. what makes a great programmer is not the mastery of various programming languages in-depth; what makes a great programmer is his/her Creative and Lateral Thinking abilities to visualize a problem in an abstract form and define a solution using code. It is a part of a process known as Data Visualization, this is only a sub-set of visualizing a solution. Let me give you an example. Programmer A will give you 100 lines of code to achieve the same results that Programmer B will provide in just 5 lines.. who do you think is the better programmer?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 10:07am On Aug 14, 2014
king100: Courtesy of the author of "Learn Python the Hard Way" -Zed A Shaw.This what he said:
If you've got experience programming then making something with a new language does work, but if you've had *no* experience then that won't work. The best way is to find a good beginner book, go through it page by page, and type *every single piece of code in and get it running*. That's really the only way to do it, and you have to do it consistently, at least 2 hours a day (take a break for one day though). My book, "Learn Python The Hard Way" does this, as well as "The Little Schemer", so grab one of those and just start typing.

If you want those books in pdf, send your email to me .
Coding is really hard work. keep that in mind
best of luck!
You got mail. You might wanna take down your Email, security reasons? smiley
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 10:11am On Aug 14, 2014
voltron: @OP the question is a bit biased. Programming code is a process of arranging code in a syntactically and logically operational manner such that an objective is achieved. The nomenclature of the particular language can be learned and mastered by just about anybody.. what makes a great programmer is not the mastery of various programming languages in-depth; what makes a great programmer is his/her Creative and Lateral Thinking abilities to visualize a problem in an abstract form and define a solution using code. It is a part of a process known as Data Visualization, this is only a sub-set of visualizing a solution. Let me give you an example. Programmer A will give you 100 lines of code to achieve the same results that Programmer B will provide in just 5 lines.. who do you think is the better programmer?
Programmer B?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 10:13am On Aug 14, 2014
webdezzi: MizMyColi,
a jorney of a thousand miles begin with a step,
the forces needed to keep you moving are curiosity and passion which i believe you have.

one thing though, dont rely 100% on articles written by other developers, even if written by a world class programmer, instead do you research and draw your concusions.

start with w3schools.com
goodluck
Thanks, Checking it Out Now
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 10:39am On Aug 14, 2014
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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by oladayo042: 10:41am On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi:
Another friend sent me loads of e-books on programming and hacking for beginners and I just couldn't get past the first stage, yet I want to be like you guys embarassed cry
Can you please forward the e-books to me? I promise you that I will get to the last page. Thanks.

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by dammytosh: 10:53am On Aug 14, 2014
Great Programmers are MADE and NURTURED.

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by auhanson(m): 11:41am On Aug 14, 2014
Waoh! nice thread, where was i all this while

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MAJOLAUTOS: 11:44am On Aug 14, 2014
OP: I would advise you to go on YouTube. There are loads of channels there that would improve your programming skills. Nothing is easy to learn but with goal-driven capability, you will sure improve on your skills.

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 11:47am On Aug 14, 2014
oladayo042: Can you please forward the e-books to me? I promise you that I will get to the last page. Thanks.

info {{at}} proximitymarketing {{dot}} net

OReilly.Head.First.Javascript.2007.0596527748.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.HTMLwithCSSXHTML.pdf
Okay, I'll try and see to that smiley


Sent!

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by Nobody: 1:40pm On Aug 14, 2014
Didn't even read the write-up...but the tagged question is what I'd like to opine on...The capacity to be great is in-born...but Greatness itself is Made!

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 3:34pm On Aug 14, 2014
So, I followed w3schools.com

See what I came up with below grin

I can now differentiate btw the different types of HTML smiley

NL for example uses HTML 4.01

I used an HTML 5 to create this one.

cheesy

Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 3:52pm On Aug 14, 2014
One Thing Though.

I find it hard uploading an image.

I type in a file name and .jpg but it doesn't work angry

Anyone Please?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by Djtm(m): 4:00pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: One Thing Though.

I find it hard uploading an image.

I type in a file name and .jpg but it doesn't work angry

Anyone Please?
on NL or your site?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 4:14pm On Aug 14, 2014
Djtm:
on NL or your site?
The site I'm working on and NL too
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by blueyedgeek(m): 4:45pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: One Thing Though.

I find it hard uploading an image.

I type in a file name and .jpg but it doesn't work angry

Anyone Please?
One thing you should note is that there are different file formats for images so typing in ".jpg" for any image will not work. The major file formats for images are (in no particular order): ".gif", ".png" and ".jpg" so check to make sure that the file name and the file extension are both correct. Let's say for example, you have an image named MizMyColi.png and you want to add it to a webpage, you would have to reference it correctly like this:

<img src="MizMyColi.png" alt= "some text" title ="some other text">


and not like this:

<img src="MizMyColi.jpg" alt= "some text" title ="some other text">


This is because the extension is ".png" and not ".jpg", any other thing will result in a broken image.

You should also check to make sure that you are linking to the image correctly and you have specified the file path. What I have done there is relative linking and this can only be done when the html file and the image are in the same directory. If they are not in the same directory, then you would have to link to the image absolutely by specifying the full file path.

Example, let's say you have the image inside a folder named my-pictures which is also inside a folder named Images then you would link to it this way:


<img src="Images/my-pictures/MizMyColi.png" alt="some text" title="some text">


Hope I have not confused you?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by oladayo042: 4:46pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: Okay, I'll try and see to that smiley


Sent!
Thanks but I did not see any mail from you. Here is my other email address: kodadomains@gmail.com
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by asalimpo(m): 4:52pm On Aug 14, 2014
You are practicg escapism by skirtg around d edge of ur desire (programming).
Html is'nt programmg.
If u wanna know web designg ,fine but if its programming ur after ,berra bite d bullet and face ur fearz headon.
Thatz right,fear ,is wat keeps ppl away from programming.


What dyu wanna major in. Programmng or web designing/scripting?
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 5:02pm On Aug 14, 2014
blueyedgeek: One thing you should note is that there are different file formats for images so typing in ".jpg" for any image will not work. The major file formats for images are (in no particular order): ".gif", ".png" and ".jpg" so check to make sure that the file name and the file extension are both correct. Let's say for example, you have an image named MizMyColi.png and you want to add it to a webpage, you would have to reference it correctly like this:

<img src="MizMyColi.png" alt= "some text" title ="some other text">


and not like this:

<img src="MizMyColi.jpg" alt= "some text" title ="some other text">


This is because the extension is ".png" and not ".jpg", any other thing will result in a broken image.

You should also check to make sure that you are linking to the image correctly and you have specified the file path. What I have done there is relative linking and this can only be done when the html file and the image are in the same directory. If they are not in the same directory, then you would have to link to the image absolutely by specifying the full file path.

Example, let's say you have the image inside a folder named my-pictures which is also inside a folder named Images then you would link to it this way:


<img src="Images/my-pictures/MizMyColi.png" alt="some text" title="some text">


Hope I have not confused you?
No, No, Not at all. I totally get you.

Like this?

[img=C:\Users\user\Desktop/Yay.jpg]Snapshot[/img]



*Facepalm*
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 5:49pm On Aug 14, 2014
asalimpo: You are practicg escapism by skirtg around d edge of ur desire (programming).
Html is'nt programmg.
If u wanna know web designg ,fine but if its programming ur after ,berra bite d bullet and face ur fearz headon.
Thatz right,fear ,is wat keeps ppl away from programming.


What dyu wanna major in. Programmng or web designing/scripting?
Thanks for enlightening me, and no, it has nothing to do with fear. Web design should be a programming language of sorts, I think? I finally found a website I could learn from on my own.....I'll get there
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by blueyedgeek(m): 5:50pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: No, No, Not at all. I totally get you.

Like this?

[img=C:\Users\user\Desktop/Yay.jpg]Snapshot[/img]



*Facepalm*
If you are trying to link to an image on your own system, then the easiest solution would be to move (or copy) the image to the same folder as the html document so that you can just reference it by the file name alone.

Your code snippet won't work because it seems like you are mixing html codes with BBcodes.
Html tags begin with the lower than symbol ( < ) and you close them with the greater than symbol ( > ), also, you should note that img tags (in html) are void elements meaning that they don't need to be closed. You should also be aware that the link to the actual image should be enclosed in quotes.

Additionally, you link to different directories using the forward slash ( / ) and not the backward slash ( \ ). You can't use \ to link directories in Html. A way to fix your code snippet would be like this:

<img src="C:/Users/user/Desktop/Yay.jpg">


On the other hand, if you are talking about linking to an image and uploading on nairaland, then you should note that you can't directly link to an image on your hard drive. What you have up there is BBcode (Bulletin board code), it is a lightweight markup language used in forums (for security purposes) like this one. It is very similar to Html except for a few key differences (for example, it uses square brackets [] instead of angle brackets <> ). To upload an image on nairaland using BBcode, then you would have to link to a file on the internet.

Something like this

[ img ] http://somelinktoanimage.com/image.jpg [ / img ]


Example:
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by Jerryolumide(m): 6:27pm On Aug 14, 2014
dhtml:
So you are saying a person that was trained in havard for programming cannot be better than someone that trained with ehm maybe w3schools?
it's very possible, i knw of some1 hu finished 4rm kadpoly nd he couldn't do some of the tinx i could do on web design nd i was in my first year, first semester in a skul dat is nt as recognized as his...
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 7:11pm On Aug 14, 2014
@Blueyedgeek....I'll continue practice tomorrow. My home Notebook isn't connected to the web. Thank you for your time. I admit though, that your last reply was somewhat difficult to comprehend. I'll go thru' again, when I get home. Thanks.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by dammytosh: 8:03pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: So, I followed w3schools.com

See what I came up with below grin

I can now differentiate btw the different types of HTML smiley

NL for example uses HTML 4.01

I used an HTML 5 to create this one.

cheesy

Don't give up dear. LIKE i posted earlier, Programmers are NOT BORN, they are MADE and NURTURED.

My first line of codes were some html codes changing the back ground color from red-blue-yellow. grin grin


Without sounding any how, not many companies can afford me on their pay roll now. If you know what that means. cool

My little secrets are :

1. Determination : You need to be determined to be a programmer. A lot of obstacles will come your way.

2. Sacrifice You have to let go a lot of habits that takes your time. When i was learning programming. I hate football and dnt have time to go and watch in viewing centre.
Now i have paid my dues, and i can afford subscription to watch it right in my closet on an HD TV.

3. Motivation Your motivation should not be money. It should be the sense of fulfillment and determination to be good.

4. Method of Learning Look around you for something you want to solve. Don't care wether the solution exist already. Try and put all what u are learning together to achieve the solution.

5. You may need You may need a mentor in the act. 'Someone who has been there done that': On Naira Land you can try @Kobojunkie, @Webdezzi, @Dhtml if they can have a session with you. I guess @Kobojunkie is a lady too.
You may also need a strong competitor, who will drive you to get crazy in the art by what he / she is achieving (Be careful not to get discouraged though)

6. Avoid : Avoid some people you look up to who discourage you some how.
Many years ago i asked a question from a Respected Senior Colleague, "Au relevant is a programmer in the industry generally."
He answered me by saying that programmers are not needed in Nigeria like that because all they do in the industry is configure softwares bought from abroad.
I was depressed but i told my self, "Even if programmers are not relevant, it is already too late to turn back". I insisted and trust me.......

With my applications across industries from Education, Banking, Telecommunications,Human Resources etc, I can tell you My Respected Senior Colleague spoke out of his ignorance.


--My Penny

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Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by dammytosh: 8:29pm On Aug 14, 2014
voltron: @OP the question is a bit biased. Programming code is a process of arranging code in a syntactically and logically operational manner such that an objective is achieved. The nomenclature of the particular language can be learned and mastered by just about anybody.. what makes a great programmer is not the mastery of various programming languages in-depth; what makes a great programmer is his/her Creative and Lateral Thinking abilities to visualize a problem in an abstract form and define a solution using code. It is a part of a process known as Data Visualization, this is only a sub-set of visualizing a solution. Let me give you an example. Programmer A will give you 100 lines of code to achieve the same results that Programmer B will provide in just 5 lines.. who do you think is the better programmer?

That sounds cool theoretically but unfortunately, there is more to being a programmer than that.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 8:31pm On Aug 14, 2014
dammytosh:

Don't give up dear. LIKE i posted earlier, Programmers are NOT BORN, they are MADE and NURTURED.

My first line of codes were some html codes changing the back ground color from red-blue-yellow. grin grin


Without sounding any how, not many companies can afford me on their pay roll now. If you know what that means. cool

My little secrets are :

1. Determination. : You need to be determined to be a programmer. A lot of obstacles will come your way.

2. Sacrifice : You have to let go a lot of habits that takes your time. When i was learning programming. I hate football and dnt have time to go and watch in viewing centre.
Now i have paid my dues, and i can afford subscription to watch it right in my closet on an HD TV.

3. Motivation : Your motivation should not be money. It should be the sense of fulfillment and determination to be good.

4. Method of Learning : Look around you for something you want to solve. Don't care wether the solution exist already. Try and put all what u are learning together to achieve the solution.

5. Avoid : Avoid some people you look up to who discourage you some how.
Many years ago i asked a question from a Respected Senior Colleague, "Au relevant is a programmer in the industry generally."
He answered me by saying that programmers are not needed in Nigeria like that because all they do in the industry is configure softwares bought from abroad.

I was depressed but i told my self, "Even if programmers are not relevant, it is already too late to turn back". I insisted and trust me.......


--My Penny



shocked smiley Thank You.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by dammytosh: 8:35pm On Aug 14, 2014
MizMyColi: shocked smiley Thank You.

You are welcome, I have updated the post. You may wish to re-check.

Best of luck.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 8:35pm On Aug 14, 2014
blueyedgeek: If you are trying to link to an image on your own system, then the easiest solution would be to move (or copy) the image to the same folder as the html document so that you can just reference it by the file name alone.

Your code snippet won't work because it seems like you are mixing html codes with BBcodes.
Html tags begin with the lower than symbol ( < ) and you close them with the greater than symbol ( > ), also, you should note that img tags (in html) are void elements meaning that they don't need to be closed. You should also be aware that the link to the actual image should be enclosed in quotes.

Additionally, you link to different directories using the forward slash ( / ) and not the backward slash ( \ ). You can't use \ to link directories in Html. A way to fix your code snippet would be like this:

<img src="C:/Users/user/Desktop/Yay.jpg">


On the other hand, if you are talking about linking to an image and uploading on nairaland, then you should note that you can't directly link to an image on your hard drive. What you have up there is BBcode (Bulletin board code), it is a lightweight markup language used in forums (for security purposes) like this one. It is very similar to Html except for a few key differences (for example, it uses square brackets [] instead of angle brackets <> ). To upload an image on nairaland using BBcode, then you would have to link to a file on the internet.

Something like this

[ img ] http://somelinktoanimage.com/image.jpg [ / img ]


Example:
I read this again and I understand now. Thanks.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by MizMyColi(f): 8:38pm On Aug 14, 2014
dammytosh:

You are welcome, I have updated the post. You may wish to re-check.

Best of luck.
I've done so. Again, thank you.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by asalimpo(m): 11:26pm On Aug 14, 2014
Jerryolumide: it's very possible, i knw of some1 hu finished 4rm kadpoly nd he couldn't do some of the tinx i could do on web design nd i was in my first year, first semester in a skul dat is nt as recognized as his...

techniques and theoretics are different thngs and theory is higher thn techniques. You're only better thn a uni trained fellow if ur a sounder thn him in abstract thinkg and application of d theory.
So , NO, u may not be better than d kadpoly guy or Havard guy,theoretically speaking.
The class and kind of problem the ivy league/Harvard guy wud b wrkg on would b outta d league of guy schooled in only techniques.
At d end of d day, he maynt even program, the idea will b handed to an architect, who'll describe it to d programmer ,possibly ,in uml. And the coder will bang away. *See, where they got d word "code monkey", "coder","mere programmer" *
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by asalimpo(m): 11:52pm On Aug 14, 2014
dammytosh:

Don't give up dear. LIKE i posted earlier, Programmers are NOT BORN, they are MADE and NURTURED.

My first line of codes were some html codes changing the back ground color from red-blue-yellow. grin grin


Without sounding any how, not many companies can afford me on their pay roll now. If you know what that means. cool

My little secrets are :

1. Determination : You need to be determined to be a programmer. A lot of obstacles will come your way.

2. Sacrifice You have to let go a lot of habits that takes your time. When i was learning programming. I hate football and dnt have time to go and watch in viewing centre.
Now i have paid my dues, and i can afford subscription to watch it right in my closet on an HD TV.

3. Motivation Your motivation should not be money. It should be the sense of fulfillment and determination to be good.

4. Method of Learning Look around you for something you want to solve. Don't care wether the solution exist already. Try and put all what u are learning together to achieve the solution.

5. You may need You may need a mentor in the act. 'Someone who has been there done that': On Naira Land you can try @Kobojunkie, @Webdezzi, @Dhtml if they can have a session with you. I guess @Kobojunkie is a lady too.
You may also need a strong competitor, who will drive you to get crazy in the art by what he / she is achieving (Be careful not to get discouraged though)

6. Avoid : Avoid some people you look up to who discourage you some how.
Many years ago i asked a question from a Respected Senior Colleague, "Au relevant is a programmer in the industry generally."
He answered me by saying that programmers are not needed in Nigeria like that because all they do in the industry is configure softwares bought from abroad.
I was depressed but i told my self, "Even if programmers are not relevant, it is already too late to turn back". I insisted and trust me.......

With my applications across industries from Education, Banking, Telecommunications,Human Resources etc, I can tell you My Respected Senior Colleague spoke out of his ignorance.


--My Penny




messages like this hav sent many programmers to an early grave,career-wise. They got disillusioned dreaming of big pay.
Wat d newbies dnt know is tht d price they command came after many years of honing d skill. Thousands of dedicated man-hours and/+industry connections.
Theyre many expert programmers slavg away for pittance. It cuts both ways.
Re: Are Programmers Born Or Made? by asalimpo(m): 12:10am On Aug 15, 2014
Debonair01: As much as i am sure you want to hear that programmers are born (wld love to tell myself that too) but the answer to your question is not that simple

1. I think, programming, like most other ventures in life takes a combination of things (talent, determination, motivation, opportunity, interest..etc etc), and all in the right proportion too.

2. I can bet my old blackberry phone here on my desk (its been retired already), that if you are nigerian and live in nigeria and you are over 25yrs, and not yet a programmer, you most likely will never be a pro at it again.... at least not in this life ( grin )

3. By programming, i dnt mean just knowing how to design a website (or more accurately - edit one). Nigeria just have a few handful of natural programmer and/or opportuned ones for that matter (lack of natural, because we didn't start early enough, and lack of opportuned ones, because the environment isn't supportive enough)


By and large, I bet if any nigerian (you included) is given the opportunity and right environment (say, working at google or say, microsoft) before long we wld become gurus at it. It takes courage, especially considering the economic reality on ground to at over 25 years, begin to learn programming, especially in a vacuum and expect to be good at it. We can try, we can get familiar with the whole idea, we can even write one or two little programs, but might never become a pro at it.

I think we all need to start to work together to build the next generation, we need more natural programmers in the land, we need to begin to catch them young.

Finally, you need to ask yourself why you want to learn how to program, you answer shall form the basis of how much and far you can endure and go in it. Is it so u look/sound cool too, is it to make a living out of it or is it for some exam?

My advice to you and to anyone that wants to learn to program is.... start by having genuine interest in how stuff work. Play with ur windows OS (possibly crash it a couple of times), chk the scripts behind websites, play with ur mobile phone and the apps. Generally, know the possibilities that programming hold, see results that hv been gotten, take a look at the codes. If finally you dnt end up a programmer, at least u wld make a good software engineer (note that they are several other branches of sw engineering that has nothing to do with coding per say.)

Goodluck

PS: i am just an engineer who can code a little, but i just dont (except I'm doing it to pass some exam). I just dnt have the patience for it. I am more of a big picture person, i just dnt like going into the very nitti-gritty grin (give me planning,analysis, designing, even testing to some extent... but just give someone else the coding... tongue )

i don't agree with your age analysis. I read on slashdot and a forum of ppl wu started as late as 47 and 34 respectvly.
Besides we all know industry practices all over d wrld ar based on blatant shameless practices like ageism.

But i do agree it will b harder for d older guy cuz after a certain age d incentive to sit down and concentrate will not just b there. Readg about inheritance, threads , difficult and wierd concepts wen the pressures of life ar hittg (job,family etc).

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