dammytosh:

That sounds cool theoretically but unfortunately, there is more to being a programmer than that.

asalimpo:

messages like this hav sent many programmers to an early grave,career-wise. They got disillusioned dreaming of big pay.
Wat d newbies dnt know is tht d price they command came after many years of honing d skill. Thousands of dedicated man-hours and/+industry connections.
Theyre many expert programmers slavg away for pittance. It cuts both ways.

asalimpo:

i don't agree with your age analysis. I read on slashdot and a forum of ppl wu started as late as 47 and 34 respectvly.
Besides we all know industry practices all over d wrld ar based on blatant shameless practices like ageism.

But i do agree it will b harder for d older guy cuz after a certain age d incentive to sit down and concentrate will not just b there. Readg about inheritance, threads , difficult and wierd concepts wen the pressures of life ar hittg (job,family etc).

dammytosh:
Guess you read the first paragraph and you hit the reply button.

Read again.

asalimpo:
the keyword is bolded.
Meang uncertainty. Inabsolute.
Not 100%.
Rethink again. Like i said , ur kind of success stories can b delusional to newbies.

Debonair01:

Very true, that in saner climes, even at 50, one can start learning to program and a lot of other stuff. But note, i made reference to nigerians living in nigeria. The best the person can do is just to understand the concept. Just imagine, like u said, your job (wld be easier if u somehow work with programmers, but then again, what are the odds?), family responsibilities (even worst when kids are already in school and u have to pay huge fees for them to have a better education), lack of good and stable internet. how many families living in nigeria (especially cities) can afford to own a home office where one can concentrate to study, or afford to have good and affordable internet at home.

when you factor all that together, one can even conclude it wld be a near imposibility for an over 25 (30, more reasonably) to start learning to program and get to be really good at it.

PS: Most research and statistics given out there seldom apply to nigeria, we just a peculiar pple, with peculiar situations.... case in point, economic principles.

asalimpo:

i think in many ways this age thing is misinterpreted. The issue tht shud b considered is not so much d physcal age but d foundation. What kind of upbringing d fellow had in their early years (0-20). The foundation can set d trends for d rest of the persons life. Wise parents groom their kids in d formatve years . Good schoolg , stable family life, conducive home atmosphere, extra tutors, taught to love readg,
shieldg from wrong company etc
They then shine l8r on. Ppl without this good foundation cud struggle l8r. Bill gates(Parents sent him to a school with a computer. Mom wrked d ibm connection-she was on d board of d company), larry page,sergey brine(father taught him @ home), von neumann (father hired tutors to teach him),
Zuckerberg (father bought c++ for dummies for him),
Carol-choo (math geek/author: father introduced him to math),
2014 field medalist, one of them (Father is a mathematician).
Skills like concentration,abstract thinking etc built up in young years serve well on in l8r years.
But this skills can b acquired in l8r years-its just going to b harder. And most ppl doubt themselves at this stage. Simply put d time it takes is an absolute quantity,
like d proverbial 10000 hrs,
when u pay d price in time ur good. Dnt matter wen u strt.

MizMyColi: @BlueEyedGeek

Thanks to You, I've been able to do it.

Would have uploaded here, but I used my picture, and that's a no no, for now

Again, thanks. I'll continue with my HTML lessons now.

dammytosh:

Why not put things in perspective. What is the ambiguity in the success story ?

What part of my points is delusional.

I have been actively programming for close to 11 years. and when i say actively, i mean paying ALL my bills with proceeds from programming in any form.

Can you take me up on the part that makes all my highlighted points delusional or you just used the word without knowing what it means ?

asalimpo:

I ddnt throw d word around. Your backdrop clarifies issues. You've been doing it near a decade now.
The delusion to newbies is tht they'll hit it big also without d effort and timecost context.
The average learner still struggling with concepts (1-3) yr later,would b disenchanted and doubt himself and wanna quit.
This is where success stories bcome tripping stones and deceptve. Baseline,they're no gaurantees. Theyre coders makg it and those just eking by. Programmg isnt a golden ticket and shudnt b presented as such else sombody hops on d promise only to b dissapointed. Ppl shud simply follow their passion and work hard.

"3. Motivation Your motivation should not be money. It should be the sense of fulfilment and determination to be good.

dammytosh:

It is either you are being mischievous or you probably have a slight problem with comprehension.

Take pain to read Point 1-6 and see if you can still insist on your "delusional" claim



That is my 3rd point in Bold.

So tell me out of the 6 points, the exact point that looks delusional. Reason I was so sure, you rushed to click reply button but you are too proud to admit your erroneous judgement and malapropism.

MizMyColi:

eiisshhhh

I To'ally Forgot!

OReilly.Head.First.SQL.very_good_quality.pdf

OReilly.head.first_scwcd.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Javascript.2007.0596527748.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Java.2nd.edition.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.iPhone.Development.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.HTMLwithCSSXHTML.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.EJB.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Design_Patterns.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Ajax.(2008.08).pdf

OReilly.Head.First.A.Learner's.Guide.to.Programming.Using.the.Python.Language.pdf

OReilly,.Head.First.Software.Development.(2007).[0596527357].pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Object.Oriented.Analysis.and.Design.pdf

OReilly.Head.First.Networking.pdf

Which would you like, I couldn't send them all, even if I'd like to because they're massive, you get?

dtito: thanx u too much joor...would live all buh for now....d software development and html with CSS...were do u stay cutie and maybe head first networking.

MizMyColi: Okay, I'll send them @ work, I'll PM you first for your email addy. I live in Lagos, Nigeria.

MizMyColi: Okay, I'll send them @ work, I'll PM you first for your email addy. I live in Lagos, Nigeria.

Ymodulus:
So hows the training going? programmer to be? nice you learn to code. i am just waiting to see what programming language you will pick up after learning markup.

BabaGnoni:
Please check your gmail addy Ymodulus. Thanks!

Ymodulus: Hahahaha, welcome!!!!
lets watch and see. php is fun. beside welcome to the world of webdevelopment.


<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

public static function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
$newComers = ['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
return (in_array($newComer, $newComers) ? true : false;
}

}


//Usage

$result = Ymodulus::welcomes('MizMyColi');

if($result === true ){

echo 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php';
}else{
echo ' sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';
}

I'm not scared one bit.

MizMyColi: I'm not scared one bit.

dtito:
OK dear

Ymodulus:

(in_array($newComer, $newComers) 

asalimpo:

Now see y php is the joy of those new to programming. Its Teeming with inbuilt helper functions. Really pampers the beginner. No wonder java, or lower languages scares d pants of php weaned coders.

MizMyColi: "Some Unverified Entity With Pink Letters" Dude, loosen up abit, It'll do you good I'm sure.

asalimpo:

Except u signed up with the bio page of your international passport and an iris/fingerprint scan. We are all "unverified entities" here.

*
Y don't u loosen up instead.
The guy likes u.
cutie. Dear.
Next, he'll send kisses.(if his conscience will allow him do tht on this sterile section. Full of celibate code monkeys. Married to their computers)
*

Well I think it's tad bit insensitive of you, saying/writing that to my hearing/sight.

But then, whatever rocks your boat.

And thanks, I get the message behind your message.

Ymodulus: Hahahaha, welcome!!!!
lets watch and see. php is fun. beside welcome to the world of webdevelopment.


<?php

Class Ymodulus
{

public function $newComers = [];

public function welcomes(string $newComer)
{
return (in_array($newComer, $newComers) ? true : false;
}

}


//Usage

$ymodulus = new Ymodulus();
$ymodulus->newComers = ['MizMyColi', 'other New Bie'];
$result = Ymodulus->welcomes('MizMyColi');

if($result === true ){

echo 'MizMyColi Ymodulus welcomes you too the world of php';
}else{
echo ' sorry not yet welcomed by ymodulus';
}