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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCVU24GX3J4&feature=youtu.be

Who is fooling who?? John Kerry is flying the world over asking for cease-fire and an end to the war in the middle-east, yet we all know the Us is d one supplying weapons to the Israelites, this war has been on since the 8th of July. Now Israel comes out to ask for more weapons and ammunitions, only for
reports to come out today, the Us actually supplied the weapons on the 20th July. They have also come out to say they intend to increase funding to the Israeli military by $600million in 2015. The whole world is really messed up, no truth anywhere again

'The world stands disgraced' - Israeli shelling of school kills at least 15
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel


A Palestinian collects body parts in a classroom at the Abu Hussein UN school. Photograph: Lefteris Pitarakis/AP


A damaged Classroom of the school

"Washington is restocking Israel's dwindling supplies of ammunitions."
-The Telegraph.

Those who condemned Israeli infanticide &
genocide in Gaza should also condemn those who supply the arms & ammunitions to that murderous regime.

The legendary Iranian Commander of the elite AlQuds Brigades, Qassem Sulaimani, wrote a letter to Palestine, he invoked the curse of Allah upon the following:

"May God curse those who have & are oppressing you...."

"May God curse every oppressor who defended this criminal regime & support it, the global tyranny, America..."

"May God curse whoever blocked the ways of delivering aid & helping to you & participation in the Zionist crimes...."

"May God curse anyone who sees your sorrow & bitterness & with cowardly silence gives Zionist permission of killing innocent people..."

God curse & destroy them all!

#GazaUnderAttack

When will Allah destroy all the Jews?.. . .The Jews are just too much for the slaves of Allah, they have been defeating them and will continue to defeat them , there is nothing the Arabs can do to them. . when will allah hear the cries of his slaves and send an asteroid to wipe off the Jews?. . .

olajide21:
Do you watch the news at all? You have spoken like a Novice which you are! What Rocket is Hamas firing? Their rocket is like fire cracker compared to Israelis bombs which are always fatal..... As at the last count their bomb has killed close to 200 Gazans and injured close to a 1000. What has the so called Hamas bomb done in Israel? It has killed 0; zero Israelis and injured 2. Is that a fair war to you? Have you ever boardered to go through History of Israel and her occupation of Palestinian lands? They are aggressors and oppressors........ Israel as a matter of fact controls all boarders of Palestinians. Their air, sea and land boarders are all Israelis.........
I abhor the murder of the innocent under whatever disguise....... But Israel is too brutal.......
Do you know what Israel call the room knocking concept? Listen, read and be informed!!!
It's amazing how the world stands with their hands behind their back...........

Most of the media is camouflaged anti-antisemitism propaganda. I regret the loss of lives of Palestinians and Israelis. However, you can start a fight and complain if your opponent decides to beat you up. The most cowardly and despicable action are those of Hamas that are using Palestinians as human shields. Hamas is putting rockets and bombs in Mosques and schools and firing from those places; what kind of people will do that?

So before you start complaining, please be objective and give both sides of the story

olajide21:
Please tell me where the Gazans come from? Imagine if the Palestinians are the ones with the military mights as Israel, killing Israelis indiscriminately, I am sure regardless of what caused the fight, the world would have gone agog as to how barbaric the Palestinians are. But, why would people like you speak against the ills in Gaza Strip. Every one that know history know that Israel is unjust, and their act is horrific.
Israel could bring an end to the Gaza issues if they desire peace, but for people like you who are myopic and monolithic in their line of thinking, Israel just like the US feels, if they kill 200 people while aiming at just one so called terrorist, the killing is justified.........

When Hamas over-threw Fatah in Gaza years ago and killed hundreds of their own Muslims did you open your mouth to condemn them? The issue here is that Hamas has refused to recognized Israel as a sovereign nation. Hamas leaders calls for the destruction of Israel and fires hundreds of Missiles into Israel. The Israelis are smart and technologically advanced and have been able to reduce the impact of such attack. However, they won't stand-by and allow such actions to continue.

If and when Hamas decides to recognized Israel - this conflict will be over

LagosShia:

It always has to be a sect matter

AlBaqir

Oh! Your extended family live there for you to get 'real info'?

Wake up! How do you feel when some greedy powerful idiots occupy your land and on a mission to exterminate your generation? UN and even US (who are known to be real supporter of the state of Israel) have ordered Israel to stop the occupation of Gaza strip. It fell to deaf ears.

Who can lay claim to the land?

Gaza has turned to the largest open prison. Everything they eat and drink is being controlled by Israel.

Who's fault is that?

Adolf Hitler had a vision to wiped out those barbarian

I wonder why he failed? Reflect on that very well before you post such hateful comments online

LagosShia

you are very silly. you believe in a god who steals land to give his people, while we dont believe in such a god.

Answer the gentlemen, who can lay claim to the land?

AlBaqir: 'The world stands disgraced' - Israeli shelling of school kills at least 15
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel


A Palestinian collects body parts in a classroom at the Abu Hussein UN school. Photograph: Lefteris Pitarakis/AP

Perhaps you should also inform us why Hamas is using innocent civilians as human shields:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/hamas-spokesman-defends-using-civilians-as-human-shields-video/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdD2iECh-Dk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyeu60yBENg

Another Shia - Sunni rivalry. Why can't other Arab nations ask Hamas to recognize Israel?

cloudstar: Another Shia - Sunni rivalry. Why can't other Arab nations ask Hamas to recognize Israel?

when you allow your prejudices to be cooked with propaganda, you won't even know how you are sounding.

Hamas came into being under israeli maneuvering to outshine Yasser Arafat's PLO, who was a nationalist. they wanted an islamist party that can break the arabism movement that arose with Jamal Abdul-Nasser.

for you to ask a people who are nationless, and without a country recognized, and whose land was stolen by the same israel you want them to recognize, that is preposterous. when would israel recognize palestine? it is like you asking me to acknowledge that my stolen car belongs to the thief who snatched it from me. silly!

furthermore, you should contact Dr. Google. Hamas at a point has accepted to recognize israel and even went as far as changing its manifesto which called for the abolition of the zionist state. again, israel is no serious partner to peace and no serious partner for a two state or any solution. do you know why? because israel believes it can do and undo, and it has all the force to impose its will on poor palestinians, who israel always has the right to "defend" itself against by committing massacres. these are the massacres israel will commit and then blame on hamas. in otehr words, when you throw stones at me and you go into hiding, i will force my way into your house and rape your wife and flog your children and then blame it on the husband! that is how israel behaves like a bully.

and really, the boogeyman today is hamas. hamas this and hamas that. hamas is terrorist and hamas is this. when did hamas come into being? hamas came into being in the 80s. long before hamas, israel already committed many massacres and religious and ethnic cleansing against the people of palestine. the conflict didnt start with hamas' existence. it started when the inhabitants/indigenes of palestine were killed and their land occupied. it is OCCUPATION that is the problem. and as for the terrorist label, Mandela who fought for his people was once a terrorist and so was Ghandhi. the ANC was also called a "terrorist group" by the white apartheid government of south africa. the same apartheid government that israel was the only country to recognize, and even provided it with NUCLEAR WEAPONS to scare and threaten the black indigenous population. one thing Israel, apartheid white south africa, canada, USA and australia have in common is that all of these countries are built on the cleansing of the indigenous populations and importing a people from distant places to occupy the land.

so the poor palestinians you want them to recognize israel are indeed oppressed and the "recognition" condition is just a bait for israel to continue its crimes and illegal settlements and then have something to say on tv to fool biased people with sentiments, who dont see that the palestinians are humans who also deserve a life of their own. this hamas you are talking about was elected by the people of gaza in the most free and fair elections that any country or people can conduct. they represent the dreams and aspirations of their people.

LagosShia

Hamas came into being under israeli maneuvering to outshine Yasser Arafat's PLO, who was a nationalist. they wanted an islamist party that can break the arabism movement that arose with Jamal Abdul-Nasser.

Talking gibberish is one thing, providing fact is another. Hamas is an off-shoot of the Muslim Brother-hood. We don't have to be rocket scientists to figure that out

for you to ask a people who are nationless, and without a country recognized, and whose land was stolen by the same israel you want them to recognize, that is preposterous. when would israel recognize palestine? it is like you asking me to acknowledge that my stolen car belongs to the thief who snatched it from me. silly!

Can you please tell me and show me how the land belongs to the Palestinians? Where was Palestine when Solomon or David was King? Where was Palestine 1000 years ago? Your response will throw some light on the issue

furthermore, you should contact Dr. Google. Hamas at a point has accepted to recognize israel and even went as far as changing its manifesto which called for the abolition of the zionist state.

Really? Can you please provide a written statement from any authoritative figure at Hamas confirming that they recognize Israel right as a nation and to exist?

again, israel is no serious partner to peace and no serious partner for a two state or any solution.

Israel has been living in peace with Egypt since they signed the peace accord. Israel has been living in peace with Jordan and any state that has recognized Israel right to exist. Israel has been living in peace with the PLO and Fatah. Please get your facts straight Bros

do you know why? because israel believes it can do and undo, and it has all the force to impose its will on poor palestinians, who israel always has the right to "defend" itself against by committing massacres. these are the massacres israel will commit and then blame on hamas. in otehr words, when you throw stones at me and you go into hiding, i will force my way into your house and rape your wife and flog your children and then blame it on the husband! that is how israel behaves like a bully.

I find it funny that some Palestinians in the West Bank has no problems with living and recognizing Israel. Egypt and Jordan does as well but Hamas and their likes such as you have refused to recognize Israel.

israel already committed many massacres and religious and ethnic cleansing against the people of palestine. the conflict didnt start with hamas' existence. it started when the inhabitants/indigenes of palestine were killed and their land occupied.

Really! Who started the 1948 war with Israel? Who started the 1967 war with Israel? Who started the 1973 was with Israel? Please go and read up on history

it is OCCUPATION that is the problem.

What happened before Israel occupied these territories?

and as for the terrorist label, Mandela who fought for his people was once a terrorist and so was Ghandhi. the ANC was also called a "terrorist group" by the white apartheid government of south africa. the same apartheid government that israel was the only country to recognize, and even provided it with NUCLEAR WEAPONS to scare and threaten the black indigenous population.

Mandela, Ghandhi and the ANC are not the ones placing bombs in mosque and schools to fire weapons at Israel Bros. Mandela didn't blow up anyone nor did Ghandi teach young Arab kids that jews are pigs and monkeys.

one thing Israel, apartheid white south africa, canada, USA and australia have in common is that all of these countries are built on the cleansing of the indigenous populations and importing a people from distant places to occupy the land.

No doubt that certain figures in these countries have marginalized others. If you are using that same standard, please recognize that there were no Muslims in Northern Nigeria until Usman Dan Fodio started his Jihad campaign and killed thousands. Egypt was never a Muslim country and over the centuries it has surpressed and killed adherants to spread Islam. Iraq and Iran where not always Muslim lands either Bros. So, remember when you are pointing a finger at others, you have four pointing back at you

so the poor palestinians you want them to recognize israel are indeed oppressed and the "recognition" condition is just a bait for israel to continue its crimes and illegal settlements and then have something to say on tv to fool biased people with sentiments, who dont see that the palestinians are humans who also deserve a life of their own.

Bros, 70% of Palestinians in Gaza wants better relations with Israel: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/25/war-weary-gazans-lash-out-at-hamas-over-refusal-cease-fire/. Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed if they show opposition to Hamas?

this hamas you are talking about was elected by the people of gaza in the most free and fair elections that any country or people can conduct. they represent the dreams and aspirations of their people

No one is arguing the results of the election. We are discussing Hamas and it's refusal to recognize Israel. This tic-tac game can go back and forth. Israel isn't going anywhere

cloudstar: LagosShia
Talking gibberish is one thing, providing fact is another. Hamas is an off-shoot of the Muslim Brother-hood. We don't have to be rocket scientists to figure that out

the Muslim brotherhood started in Egypt. what's your point? does that negate the fact that Hamas came into being in Palestine in the 80s?

Can you please tell me and show me how the land belongs to the Palestinians? Where was Palestine when Solomon or David was King? Where was Palestine 1000 years ago? Your response will throw some light on the issue

did history in Palestine start with Solomon and David? did it even start with Abraham? even before Abraham was born, people already inhabited that land. the Israelites met people already living on the land. the Canaanites were there. then came the Israelites and the promise made to Abraham and his descendants/"seed" (whom Palestinians also descended from through both Isaac and Ishamael; Ishamel is mentioned not less than 14 times in the Bible as the seed of Abraham), that God gave him and his descendants the land. of course that promise came with conditions; that they must be obedient to God. as far as i know, not even as a Muslim, Jews do not believe in your "lord and saviour", and they believe Mary (as) was an adulteress and you know therefore what they think that makes Jesus (as) is left for you to figure in your mind. and of course, they also believe he was an impostor and a fraud. so there goes the condition of obeying God into the drain as per Christianity. even as per Judaism, check the Bible and see how many names God called them for their rebellion against Him, and the promise that He will disperse them and they will suffer from other nations, until He (not Zionism) chooses to gather them back in Palestine. after the Israelites/Jews ruled the land, others (Babylonians, Persians, Romans, Turks, British) also came and rule. history did not start there with Abraham. one thing was certain. all these kingdoms on that land and many came and left. the Palestinians are simply people that lived on the land including Arabic speaking and hebrew speaking people, and those amongst them who practiced Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

the Palestinians as a people are descended from many races: Canaanites, Israelites, Jews, Romans, Arabians, and Turks. the main thing is they have lived on that land. check wikipedia for "PALESTINIAN PEOPLE". these people belong to that land more than the so callled Jews imported from Europe after world war 2. the palestinians speak arabic through assimilation, intermarriage, islamization, and they were arabicized by being given the language by the powers on the land who came from arabia. today, Nigerians speak english, but we did not come from england. in angola, guinea bissau and cape verde (three former portuguese colonies) you find mulattos. nonetheless, these people are africans and cannot be referred to as portuguese because some of their ancestor came from portugal and intermarried with the african populations to reprdocuce fair looking descendants.

going to the Jews, not all Jews that came from europe were ethnic jews. they were converts. in other words, this is about one religion taking over palestine and judaizing the land.its not about ancestry and divine promise to a nation or race. if it is about nacestry, nablus-inhabitied by palestinians-have a number of families (they are muslim and arabic speaking) descended from Samaritans, and Palestinian christians are said to be descended from the first jewish converts to christianity, amongst whom were the disciples of Jesus. Hanan Ashrawi (a female palestinian christian lawmaker) said her family have record in palestine of 5000 years and that her family patriarchial lineage goes back to the days of the Canaanites. also, european Jews have lived in europe for over 2000 years, and they also intermarried with caucasians. does it make sense to you that someone who has lived in europe for over 2000 years should return to a land and claim it from the palestinians, who have lived on the land for thousands and hundreds of years? black americans can as well return to Nigeria and claim the land while they pursue Nigerians of mixed ancestries. or because Nigeria was once a land where traditional african religions have roots, voodoo worshipers in haiti and other american countries should return and take over the land from Nigerians practicing christianity and islam, and ask you to go to england and saudi arabia respectively. they will take over houses and demolish properties and displace villages. this is the highest form of inhumanity.

Really? Can you please provide a written statement from any authoritative figure at Hamas confirming that they recognize Israel right as a nation and to exist?

i will tell you what i know. i am not here to argue with you because i dont have the time to, or rather it is waste of time because you are driven by sentiments and fanaticism. check google and you willl find the evidence that hamas agreed to the 1967 borders, and not the 1948 borders which would see israel abolished.

Israel has been living in peace with Egypt since they signed the peace accord. Israel has been living in peace with Jordan and any state that has recognized Israel right to exist. Israel has been living in peace with the PLO and Fatah. Please get your facts straight Bros

both jordan and egypt agreed to give up on palestine. that is why israel has postponed their own trouble. based on the "divine promise" you as a blind silly zionist christian is driven by, the land of "Greater Israel" extends from the nile (in egypt) to the eupherates in Iraq (encompassing Lebanon,turkey and Syria). israel seeks world domination through genocide, ethnic cleansing, and land theft in God's name. google "Greater Israel".

I find it funny that some Palestinians in the West Bank has no problems with living and recognizing Israel. Egypt and Jordan does as well but Hamas and their likes such as you have refused to recognize Israel.

peace with israel for the poor,weak and oppressed palestinians means receiving slaps without complain or shedding any tear. the illegal and racist jewish settlements continue to be expanded in the west bank. is that what you call peace?

Really! Who started the 1948 war with Israel? Who started the 1967 war with Israel? Who started the 1973 was with Israel? Please go and read up on history

What happened before Israel occupied these territories?

when did israel come into being and how? was it not through zionist terror? they committed massacres before they declared their independence. that made the arabs to respond. read about zionist terror. even the british were not spared of it.

Mandela, Ghandhi and the ANC are not the ones placing bombs in mosque and schools to fire weapons at Israel Bros. Mandela didn't blow up anyone nor did Ghandi teach young Arab kids that jews are pigs and monkeys.

if the ANC had rockets back then, i bet they would have fired them on the white settlers. Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years for what? Mandela said: "But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians;".

the problem is not rockets or bombs, but OCCUPATION.

No doubt that certain figures in these countries have marginalized others. If you are using that same standard, please recognize that there were no Muslims in Northern Nigeria until Usman Dan Fodio started his Jihad campaign and killed thousands. Egypt was never a Muslim country and over the centuries it has surpressed and killed adherants to spread Islam. Iraq and Iran where not always Muslim lands either Bros. So, remember when you are pointing a finger at others, you have four pointing back at you

lands do not belong to religions, they belong to people. you dont drive out people because they were forced into a new religion or because they embraced a new religion. going by what israel has done to the palestinians, every muslim around the world, regardless of language and ethnicity, should be sent to arabia. likewise, every christian should be sent to italy, england or bethlehem.


usthman dan fodio converted people who were already on the land. he didnt import muslims or arabians into northern nigeria. that reminds, look at sudanese. they are blacks and they call themselves arabs. they are arabs because they speak arabic and not african lanaguages. they may as well have intermarried with arabians (ethnic arabs). but they did not come from arabia as a whole. the same in most countries that call themselves "arab". "arab" is a cultural and linguistic term. it is not an ethnic term, except for people of countries in the arabian peninsula.

Bros, 70% of Palestinians in Gaza wants better relations with Israel: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/25/war-weary-gazans-lash-out-at-hamas-over-refusal-cease-fire/. Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed if they show opposition to Hamas?
No one is arguing the results of the election. We are discussing Hamas and it's refusal to recognize Israel. This tic-tac game can go back and forth. Israel isn't going anywhere

what guaranty is there that if election is held in gaza with international observers and by international standards, israel would accept the results? israel doesnt see hamas only as the enemy. it sees everyone who asks for freedom for the palestinians. israel is enemy to the people of palestine. that simple.

LagosShia

the Muslim brotherhood started in Egypt. what's your point? does that negate the fact that Hamas came into being in Palestine in the 80s?

I am not negating anything. I am saying your statement that Israel started Hamas has no grounds. Hamas is an off-shoot of the Muslim brother-hood, it's spiritual leadership and most of it's support came from the Muslim brother-hood.

did history in Palestine start with Solomon and David? did it even start with Abraham? even before Abraham was born, people already inhabited that land. the Israelites met people already living on the land. the Canaanites were there. then came the Israelites and the promise made to Abraham and his descendants/"seed" (whom Palestinians also descended from through both Isaac and Ishamael; Ishamel is mentioned not less than 14 times in the Bible as the seed of Abraham), that God gave him and his descendants the land.

Can you please show us where God gave Ishamel and his descendants the present day Palestine we are talking about. Can you also show us how the present day Palestinians are descendants of Ishamael.

of course that promise came with conditions; that they must be obedient to God. as far as i know, not even as a Muslim, Jews do not believe in your "lord and saviour", and they believe Mary (as) was an adulteress and you know therefore what they think that makes Jesus (as) is left for you to figure in your mind. and of course, they also believe he was an impostor and a fraud. so there goes the condition of obeying God into the drain as per Christianity.

Bros, stop talking trash. I asked youu for historical evidence on the ownership of the land of Palestine. Keep stick to the point and stop going in personal directions.

even as per Judaism, check the Bible and see how many names God called them for their rebellion against Him, and the promise that He will disperse them and they will suffer from other nations, until He (not Zionism) chooses to gather them back in Palestine. after the Israelites/Jews ruled the land, others (Babylonians, Persians, Romans, Turks, British) also came and rule. history did not start there with Abraham.

If history didn't start with Abraham, can you please provide historical proof of who was on the land before Abraham and who owned it.

one thing was certain. all these kingdoms on that land and many came and left. the Palestinians are simply people that lived on the land including Arabic speaking and hebrew speaking people, and those amongst them who practiced Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

Islam was never in the picture. Islam came in 1400 years ago. People lived in those lands before Islam came in. Jews were there and Christians were there.

the Palestinians as a people are descended from many races: Canaanites, Israelites, Jews, Romans, Arabians, and Turks. the main thing is they have lived on that land. check wikipedia for "PALESTINIAN PEOPLE"

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You or I can go to Wikipedia and edit any topic. Please provide an authoritative source for reference or historical authority.

these people belong to that land more than the so callled Jews imported from Europe after world war 2. the palestinians speak arabic through assimilation, intermarriage, islamization, and they were arabicized by being given the language by the powers on the land who came from arabia

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Dude, call it out for what is was - Islam came in by the sword and took over. They didn't come in with diplomacy, they came in with the sword; they killed, forced you to convert, pay the jiydza or be killed. We are seeing their likes in ISIS. So, please gave the entire picture so others can see. Israel has assimilated other jews from other parts of the world, Europe, Ethiopia, Asia, Iran and many other places and provided them a home. Arabs could learn from them and do the same but they prefer to start a fight and complain when they are beaten.

if it is about nacestry, nablus-inhabitied by palestinians-have a number of families (they are muslim and arabic speaking) descended from Samaritans, and Palestinian christians are said to be descended from the first jewish converts to christianity, amongst whom were the disciples of Jesus. Hanan Ashrawi (a female palestinian christian lawmaker) said her family have record in palestine of 5000 years and that her family patriarchial lineage goes back to the days of the Canaanites. also, european Jews have lived in europe for over 2000 years, and they also intermarried with caucasians. does it make sense to you that someone who has lived in europe for over 2000 years should return to a land and claim it from the palestinians, who have lived on the land for thousands and hundreds of years?going to the Jews, not all Jews that came from europe were ethnic jews. they were converts. in other words, this is about one religion taking over palestine and judaizing the land.its not about ancestry and divine promise to a nation or race.

Dude, again you talk and talk without providing any authority on your empty speech. Every jew is of Jewish lineage whether they were born a Jew or not. Just the same way every black person is of negro decent - it's a simple concept Bros. It is based on one's lineage and not on the your religion.

black americans can as well return to Nigeria and claim the land while they pursue Nigerians of mixed ancestries. or because Nigeria was once a land where traditional african religions have roots, voodoo worshipers in haiti and other american countries should return and take over the land from Nigerians practicing christianity and islam, and ask you to go to england and saudi arabia respectively. they will take over houses and demolish properties and displace villages. this is the highest form of inhumanity.

If you had sense you will know what every black man has his lineage from Africa, the blacks in the US, in South America and other places all have their lineage from Africa.

i will tell you what i know. i am not here to argue with you because i dont have the time to, or rather it is waste of time because you are driven by sentiments and fanaticism. check google and you willl find the evidence that hamas agreed to the 1967 borders, and not the 1948 borders which would see israel abolished.

Oh boy - so google is the answer to everything you have said. I shouldn't even be discussing this topic with you

both jordan and egypt agreed to give up on palestine. that is why israel has postponed their own trouble. based on the "divine promise" you as a blind silly zionist christian is driven by, the land of "Greater Israel" extends from the nile (in egypt) to the eupherates in Iraq (encompassing Lebanon,turkey and Syria). israel seeks world domination through genocide, ethnic cleansing, and land theft in God's name. google "Greater Israel".

Malu, they both decided to peace and since they signed the peace treaty they have lived in peace with Israel and vice versa. That is what civilized people do; they find ways to agree and live in peace. Your brothers in Iran has been calling for the destruction of Israel. They use their proxies in Lebanon i.e. Hezbollbah to start trouble when they want and complain later that Israel is heavy handed. Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East where Arabs, Muslims and Jews live side by side. They are a technological power house that every Muslim and Arab country should model and learn from. You accuse be or been biased but your genocidal and enthic cleansing claim shows how one sided you are.

peace with israel for the poor,weak and oppressed palestinians means receiving slaps without complain or shedding any tear. the illegal and racist jewish settlements continue to be expanded in the west bank. is that what you call peace?

Bros, Palestinians and Fatah recognized Israel right to exist. http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000393. So keep talking trash and beating war drums, it won't get you anywhere.

when did israel come into being and how? was it not through zionist terror? they committed massacres before they declared their independence. that made the arabs to respond. read about zionist terror. even the british were not spared of it.

The nation of Israel goes back to King Saul, David and Solomon, the northern and southern kings and even way before that. So, while your arab friends where trashed like kids against people which were out-numbered, they are still trying to pull such stunts again.

if the ANC had rockets back then, i bet they would have fired them on the white settlers. Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years for what? Mandela said: [b]"But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians;

If wishes were horses. Mandela and Gandhi were not militants nor suicide bombers. They didn't teach hate. They didn't call others pigs and monkeys because they didn't agree with them. Nigeria and Cameroon had land disputes; they didn't start several wars about it - they used diplomacy and common sense - that is what grown ups and civilized people do.

the problem is not rockets or bombs, but OCCUPATION.

The problem is Israel right to exist. Israel captured large parts of Egypt that was 3 times bigger than it after the Arabs started the fight; when the Egyptians agreed to recognize Israel, what happened? Israel gave everything back because it's not interested in fighting but it's not scared of it either.

lands do not belong to religions, they belong to people. you dont drive out people because they were forced into a new religion or because they embraced a new religion. going by what israel has done to the palestinians, every muslim around the world, regardless of language and ethnicity, should be sent to arabia. likewise, every christian should be sent to italy, england or bethlehem.

Tell that to all the lands that Islam conquered with the sword over it's 1400 years of history

usthman dan fodio converted people who were already on the land. he didnt import muslims or arabians into northern nigeria. that reminds, look at sudanese. they are blacks and they call themselves arabs. they are arabs because they speak arabic and not african lanaguages. they may as well have intermarried with arabians (ethnic arabs). but they did not come from arabia as a whole. the same in most countries that call themselves "arab". "arab" is a cultural and linguistic term. it is not an ethnic term, except for people of countries in the arabian peninsula

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Cha - ignorance or deliberate lies is one of your hall-marks. Arab is a lineage you malu - it has cultural and linguistic attributes but when anyone thinks of an Arab, they thing of the middle east, they think Saudi Arabia, they think Islam, they think Mohammad. It is an ethnic term you liar; it also carries a religious connotation as well. If Nigerians who are Muslims are not Arabs, why do they dress like Arabs. Why do they bear names that has religious and cultural bearings of Arabs. Christians don't dress like 1st century Jews because Jesus did. Cha - your ignorance and lies stinks so much I can smell it from here

what guaranty is there that if election is held in gaza with international observers and by international standards, israel would accept the results? israel doesnt see hamas only as the enemy. it sees everyone who asks for freedom for the palestinians. israel is enemy to the people of palestine. that simple.

Bros, if Hamas agrees to Israel right to exist and accepts a two party state - then there will be peace. If it doesn't; the story goes on.

@LagosShia, the thing is these folks are jealous. They know they going to hell so they want to take muslims down there with them. Christians, especially Nigerian ones can support anything against Muslims. They can support devil against Muslims. They dont care. They are misguided folks. They are very tricky.

For instance, if you quote those violent verses from Old T, they tend to distance themselves. They would tell you it's for the Jews. Yet, they would quote the same Old T. to support the Jews claiming it's what Bible says. They play Cat/Mouse spooky game.

Here is the thing though. You really break it down nice. It's up to them to comprehend it or not. Just that Muslims have to accept fate. This event didnt just happen by accident. Jews ultimate returns to the Holy Land is predicted in the Quran. But their return does not mean "rightful owner". According to Quran their return will constitutes their final ruin. It says in sura Isra (ch.17) that if they return with their wickedness, God will also return punishement. Isnt exacty what they doing now?. They have violated the conditions(covenants) again. That's, righteous conduct(obedient to God) and Faith in God. My question to Chrstian supporters is, is modern Israel built on foundation of faith?., Are they holdiing on to Abraham's(as) legacy?. The answer is capital NO.

On the other hand, it's important for muslims to note that zionists movement did not emerge by accident. While Fir'aun (Pharaoh) was drowning and he declared faith in God, God said to him that now you believe but a while ago you were adamant, rebellious and waging war in rejection of faith-Sura 10:90-92- God said to him(Pharaoh) "today We will preserve your physical body that you may be a sign (Last Age) for the people at later time(and behave like you). But most mankind are heedless of God's Signs. Pharaoh body was discovered in 1898 in the Red Sea. Zionists also established around the same time (late 19th century). Their primary goal was to liberate Holy Land for the Jews from Ottoman Empire. Isnt any wonder there are christian zionists supporting this movement to bring the Jews back to the Holy Land disregarding preconditions mentioned by God in both Bible and Quran. They lie that they dont have to be righteous to own the Land because they are "stiff-neck" people. This claim contradicts God's covenants. They changed word of God.
Those jews and christians who form zionists alliance are essentially godless. Muslims are forbidden from making friendly ties with them, Sura Maida ayah 51. Make no mistake of saying the verse is talking about all Jews and all christians. No. Only those zionists alliance and their supporters like Cloudstar. Make no mistake. Israel does not want two-state solution. All it wants is entire Land from river Nile to Euphrates. Perhaps, that should give us clear picture of zionists conspiracies in Iraq (the so called caliphate) and in Egypt (defiantly serving zionists' interest). Militants may not survive. Eventually they will be wiped out like plague. Gaza will be consumed by Israel. My analysis is that i think militants in Gaza would have to drop weapons and bow to Israel, or refuse to bow and world will witness genocide. And nothing, absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. Israel wants to rule the world. I think it was 2011 UN meeting where Nata gave conditions for two-state. I remember Israel said that in order for two state to work, Palestinians will not control their own airspace, their airport will be managed by Israel, they will have no military. So if they cant independently control their own things, how's that independent Palestine. Joke. There is a saying by Israel and her supporters. "A armed (military) Israel is peaceful but armed Palestine poses danger to the region". How's that equality?.

Neigboring Arab countries will have to open their hands to Palestinians as refugees. Israel will flourish like sunshine. And Chrisitan world will say here we go this is God chosen country. That will be their claim to the truth. What they dont know however is that this flourishment is short-lived. Hell is coming shortly after. This analysis is base on hadith where Prophet had a terrible dream that Arab will be destroyed if scum poeple prevail. Arent scums prevailing now?.
Also this analysis is base on Quran. it says that when the land(Holy Land) was destroyed (2nd time by Romans) the people of the Land would not be able to return to reclaim it as their own until Yajuj and Majuj are released Sura Ambiya aya 95-96. The implication is that Yajuj wa Majuj are responsible for bringing Jews back to the Holy Land. Interesting! could it be that Yajuj wa majuj are murderous zionists?. This analysis is eschatology. And God knows best.

http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/BintAmeer/pptfiron

Anyways, LagosShia, i think you should just ignore from these folks bcus back n fourth arguments dont end. I beg of you anyone pls dont quote me. Thanks

Empiree

@LagosShia, the thing is these folks are jealous. They know they going to hell so they want to take muslims down there with them. Christians, especially Nigerian ones can support anything against Muslims. They can support devil against Muslims. They dont care. They are misguided folks. They are very tricky.

No one cares what religion you are. I have said it a thousand times, if you worship stone; don't through it at others. Today you are agreeing with LagosShia , tomorrow when Sunni and Shia have differences and start slaughtering themselves, you guys will put knives at each other throats. If all Muslim radicals, terrorists and fundamentalists where Thai monks, the world will be a better place. Northern Nigeria will be safer for one.

For instance, if you quote those violent verses from Old T, they tend to distance themselves. They would tell you it's for the Jews. Yet, they would quote the same Old T. to support the Jews claiming it's what Bible says. They play Cat/Mouse pooky game.

Are you high? Any Christian that ignores the wars or violence in the OT is ignorant or doesn't know history. No one is ignoring that there was violence or wars in the OT. Most Christians recognized that and have come to terms with it. The context of these wars where clear. Christainity has undergone a reformation - something Islam needs to learn from. Christians are not the ones in Syria and Iraq killing minorities or forcing others to convert or die. So, before you start your two face, double intellectual deficient argument; go read up on history.

Here is the thing though. You really break it down nice. It's up to them to comprehend it or not. Just that Muslims have to accept fate. This event didnt just happen by accident. Jews ultimate returns to the Holy Land is predicted in the Quran. But their return does not mean "rightful owner". According to Quran their return will constitutes their final ruin. It says in sura Isra (ch.17) that if they return with their wickedness, God will also return punishement. Isnt exacty what they doing now?. They have violated the conditions(convenants) again. That's, righteous conduct(obedient to God) and Faith in God. My question to Chrstian supporters is, is modern Israel built on foundation of faith?., Are they holdiing on to Abraham's(as) legacy?. The answer is capital NO.

Only time will tell if your Surah will come to pass or not. While your Islamic "prophesy" is in the making, the reality is on ground. Israel exist and will be where it is. You guys can gather all the Arab armies to move them, the result will be the same as it happened in 1948, 1967 and 1973. You can continue to start minor battles which Hamas and Hezbollah is good at doing but it will not change anything.

On the other hand, it's important for muslims to note that zionists movement did not emerge by accident. While Fir'aun (Pharaoh) was drowning and he declared faith in God, God said to him that now you believe but a while ago you were adamant, rebellious and waging war in rejection of faith-Sura 10:90-92- God said to him(Pharaoh) "today We will preserve your physical body that you may be a sign (Last Age) for the people at later time(and behave like you). But most mankind are heedless of God's Signs. Pharaoh body was discovered in 1898 in the Red Sea. Zionists also established around the same time (late 19th century). Their primary goal was to liberate Holy Land for the Jews from Ottoman Empire. Isnt any wonder there are christian zionists supporting this movement to bring the Jews back to the Holy Land disregarding preconditions mentioned by God in both Bible and Quran. They lie that they dont have to be righteous to own the Land because they are "stiff-neck" people. This claim contradicts God's convenants. They changed word of God.

If you had given a reference or a link to your claim above, I would have taken you seriously

Those jews and christians who form zionists alliance are essentially godless. Muslims are forbidden from making friendly ties with them, Sura Maida ayah 51. Make no mistake of saying the verse is talking about all Jews and all christians. No. Only those zionists alliance and their supporters like Cloudstar. Make no mistake. Israel does not want two-state solution.

The issue here is simple, your Quran, the Sunnah and Sira of Mohammad teaches hate of Jews and Christians. You can white-wash it with modern theory all you want - it doesn't change a thing. You haven't met me or know me but because I take a stand that Israel has a right to defend itself; you automatically call me a Zionist and by Islamic standard - I am to be hated. It is truly pathetic. The same hate is what is driving your likes in Northern Nigeria, in Iraq, in Syria, in the Sudan and 1001 places that Islamic fundamentalism is present. It is truly pathetic. That is the reason your likes hate Israel so much because it was a female Jew that killed Mohammad. Dude - get it in your brain and let it register - Israel is here to stay and it's not going anywhere.

All it wants is entire Land from river Nile to Euphrates. Perhaps, that should give us clear picture of zionists conspiracies in Iraq (the so called caliphate) and in Egypt (deviantly serving zionists' interest).

Muslims like yourself always want to blame problems caused by your likes on others. When ISIS started fighting LagosShia brothers in Syria; you bee-heads stood by and didn't say anything. When they threaten to blow up the Kabbah, you all started condemning them. Can you show us how Israel created ISIS?

Militants may not survive. Eventually they will be wiped out like plague. Gaza will be consumed by Israel. My analysis is that i think militants in Gaza would have to drop weapons and bow to Israel, or refuse to bow and world will witness genocide. And nothing, absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

The issue is not Gaza. The issue is peace between Hamas and Israel. I have stated this several times. Everyone that has signed peace treaties with Israel has lived in peace with them i.e. Jordan, Egypt, Fatah etc. Hamas has refused to recognize Israel and has refused a two state solution. Go figure why

Israel wants to rule the world. I think it was 2011 UN meeting where Nata gave conditions for two-state. I remember Israel said that in order for two state to work, Palestinians will not control their own airspace, their airport will be managed by Israel, they will have no military. So if they cant independently control their own things, how's that independent Palestine. Joke. There is a saying by Israel and her supporters. "A armed (military) Israel is peaceful but armed Palestine poses danger to the region". How's that equality?.

Gaza is only part of the Palestinians state, there is the West Bank as well. The issue is simple - we can have a two state solution with the understanding that Israel is recognized, suicide attacks stop and rockets stop firing at Israel. Lebanon is a sovereign state yet Hezbollah controls the entire south, they have their own militia, weapons and support structure. They can start a war when they want and the Lebanese government has no control over them. Israel doesn't want that to happen.

Neigboring Arab countries will have to open their hands to Palestinians as refugees. Israel will flourish like sunshine. And Chrisitan world will say here we go this is God chosen country. That will be their claim to the truth. What they dont know however is that this flourishment is short-lived. Hell is coming shortly after. This analysis is base on hadith where Prophet had a terrirble dream that Arab will be destroyed if scum poeple prevail. Arent scums prevailing now?.

Yes scums are prevailing - they are in Iraq, in Syria. They are killing children and hanging their heads on polls because they don't believe in their religion. They are kidnapping girls and women in Iraq and using them as sex slaves all in the name of god and the one and chosen religion. They are killing others because they don't believe what they believe. Scums are people that hate others just because a 7th century Arabian illiterate said so.

Anyways, LagosShia, i think you should just ignore from these folks bcus back n fourth arguments dont end. I beg of you anyone pls dont quote me. Thanks

That is why it is called a public forum. People debate and exchange views. Sometimes it gets heated up but our differences shouldn't call for hate speech from the likes of you.

thanks brother Empiree. i wouldn't bother replying to dishonest fanaticism.

i tell him the word "Arab" carries a linguistic and cultural meaning (and not ethnic in most cases), he says its a lie. how can Sudanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Moroccans, Egyptians and Saudis all calling themselves "arabs" be reconciled? if Persians/Iranians, Turks and Indians too, who are Muslims as well, would have adopted Arabic and lost their local languages, instead of preserving them, these nations too would have become "arabs"!

i tell him that voodoo worshipers living in haiti have no right to return to Nigeria to claim the land for traditional religion (at the expense of Nigerian Christians and Muslims), as the European Jews have no right to claim Palestine exclusively for Judaism, he repeated that all blacks have their lineage from Africa. and so what?

most ridiculous, Nigerian Muslims dress like Arabs and have Muslim names, so they too must be Arabs according to him!!! thank God we did not replace our local languages as the Sudanese did with Arabic, otherwise, like the Palestinians (who were once Aramaic speaking), we too would have been told by these fanatics that we should leave Nigeria to Arabia!!! lest he modifies his post and remove his ridiculous claims, i have quoted his response below for the record, not because my reply is directed at him or his claims.

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cloudstar: LagosShia
I am not negating anything. I am saying your statement that Israel started Hamas has no grounds. Hamas is an off-shoot of the Muslim brother-hood, it's spiritual leadership and most of it's support came from the Muslim brother-hood.
Can you please show us where God gave Ishamel and his descendants the present day Palestine we are talking about. Can you also show us how the present day Palestinians are descendants of Ishamael.
Bros, stop talking trash. I asked youu for historical evidence on the ownership of the land of Palestine. Keep stick to the point and stop going in personal directions.
If history didn't start with Abraham, can you please provide historical proof of who was on the land before Abraham and who owned it.
Islam was never in the picture. Islam came in 1400 years ago. People lived in those lands before Islam came in. Jews were there and Christians were there.
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You or I can go to Wikipedia and edit any topic. Please provide an authoritative source for reference or historical authority.
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Dude, call it out for what is was - Islam came in by the sword and took over. They didn't come in with diplomacy, they came in with the sword; they killed, forced you to convert, pay the jiydza or be killed. We are seeing their likes in ISIS. So, please gave the entire picture so others can see. Israel has assimilated other jews from other parts of the world, Europe, Ethiopia, Asia, Iran and many other places and provided them a home. Arabs could learn from them and do the same but they prefer to start a fight and complain when they are beaten.
Dude, again you talk and talk without providing any authority on your empty speech. Every jew is of Jewish lineage whether they were born a Jew or not. Just the same way every black person is of negro decent - it's a simple concept Bros. It is based on one's lineage and not on the your religion.
If you had sense you will know what every black man has his lineage from Africa, the blacks in the US, in South America and other places all have their lineage from Africa.
Oh boy - so google is the answer to everything you have said. I shouldn't even be discussing this topic with you
Malu, they both decided to peace and since they signed the peace treaty they have lived in peace with Israel and vice versa. That is what civilized people do; they find ways to agree and live in peace. Your brothers in Iran has been calling for the destruction of Israel. They use their proxies in Lebanon i.e. Hezbollbah to start trouble when they want and complain later that Israel is heavy handed. Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East where Arabs, Muslims and Jews live side by side. They are a technological power house that every Muslim and Arab country should model and learn from. You accuse be or been biased but your genocidal and enthic cleansing claim shows how one sided you are.
Bros, Palestinians and Fatah recognized Israel right to exist. http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000393. So keep talking trash and beating war drums, it won't get you anywhere.
The nation of Israel goes back to King Saul, David and Solomon, the northern and southern kings and even way before that. So, while your arab friends where trashed like kids against people which were out-numbered, they are still trying to pull such stunts again.
If wishes were horses. Mandela and Gandhi were not militants nor suicide bombers. They didn't teach hate. They didn't call others pigs and monkeys because they didn't agree with them. Nigeria and Cameroon had land disputes; they didn't start several wars about it - they used diplomacy and common sense - that is what grown ups and civilized people do.
The problem is Israel right to exist. Israel captured large parts of Egypt that was 3 times bigger than it after the Arabs started the fight; when the Egyptians agreed to recognize Israel, what happened? Israel gave everything back because it's not interested in fighting but it's not scared of it either.
Tell that to all the lands that Islam conquered with the sword over it's 1400 years of history
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Cha - ignorance or deliberate lies is one of your hall-marks. Arab is a lineage you malu - it has cultural and linguistic attributes but when anyone thinks of an Arab, they thing of the middle east, they think Saudi Arabia, they think Islam, they think Mohammad. It is an ethnic term you liar; it also carries a religious connotation as well. If Nigerians who are Muslims are not Arabs, why do they dress like Arabs. Why do they bear names that has religious and cultural bearings of Arabs. Christians don't dress like 1st century Jews because Jesus did. Cha - your ignorance and lies stinks so much I can smell it from here
Bros, if Hamas agrees to Israel right to exist and accepts a two party state - then there will be peace. If it doesn't; the story goes on.

@ LagosShia, that's why they have to be ignored in most cases. They troll threads open by Muslims or where many Muslims post. Some of them hide their faith and go by "atheist". My last post was not even directed at him. I don't know why reply he replied me. Anyways, I will post video later for him. he seems to be asking for link to proof something. But I'm not interested in nonsense he replied me.

LagosShia

thanks brother Empiree. i wouldn't bother replying to dishonest fanaticism.

Look yourself in the mirror again and repeat the above slowly; you will get a true sense of what it means

i tell him the word "Arab" carries a linguistic and cultural meaning (and not ethnic in most cases), he says its a lie. how can Sudanese, Syrians, Iraqis, Moroccans, Egyptians and Saudis all calling themselves "arabs" be reconciled? if Persians/Iranians, Turks and Indians too, who are Muslims as well, would have adopted Arabic and lost their local languages, instead of preserving them, these nations too would have become "arabs"!

Present day Iran was Persia. Can you tell me after the Muslims invaded it, which part of the Persian culture is dominant in Iran? Saudi Arabia had Christians and Jews before the advent of Islam; Can you show us any major Christian and Jewish heritage that have been preserved in Saudi Arabia today. Your hypocrisy is at best a direct correlation with your delusion

i tell him that voodoo worshipers living in haiti have no right to return to Nigeria to claim the land for traditional religion (at the expense of Nigerian Christians and Muslims), as the European Jews have no right to claim Palestine exclusively for Judaism, he repeated that all blacks have their lineage from Africa. and so what?

All blacks have their lineage from Africa so they can trace it to Africa. How did Islam get a foot-hold in Northern Nigeria - where all Northerners in Nigeria Muslims in the 7th century? No! Yet most Northerners ancestors where forcibly converted or killed hence Muslims can claim the North belongs to them. Since you or I don't know the genesis of the owners of Palestine, it's difficult to say who can lay claim to it. Why didn't the Jews go to the North pole or to remote mountain region in Mongolia to create their state prior to 1948? It is because the land has a significance to both Jews and Palestinians.

most ridiculous, Nigerian Muslims dress like Arabs and have Muslim names, so they too must be Arabs according to him!!! thank God we did not replace our local languages as the Sudanese did with Arabic, otherwise, like the Palestinians (who were once Aramaic speaking), we too would have been told by these fanatics that we should leave Nigeria to Arabia!!! lest he modifies his post and remove his ridiculous claims, i have quoted his response below for the record, not because my reply is directed at him or his claims.

It's hard to debate with Idiots. What is the Quran written in? As a result, do Muslims learn Arabic as a pre-requisite for learning the Quran? Why do you name yourselves Mohammed, Kadija, Ibrahim? Why can't you stick with your indigenious names? Your stupidi.ty almost offends me

cloudstar: Empiree
If you had given a reference or a link to your claim above, I would have taken you seriously

@ blue quote, I would imagine you seeking references for covenants, Pharaoh's body preservation, Israelite Jews disobedient to God, right?. Well, pls do take your time to watch the videos in full before you reply so that you can object intelligently, if any. Fair enough?

Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbggjYExIYE

Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtpj7EWaxk

Return Of Jesus in Islam(Sheikh Imran Hosein) 1hr video (the return of Jesus(as), his link with modern day Israel etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP2MV6eYIU&index=195&list=FL0GR3AOFGVPiVLu3QxCro8A
This 1hr lecture most likely answers your concern or may enlightens you. Take your time and watch. I watched it 10yrs ago.

Who Owns Holy Land, JEWS or MUSLIMS? (this is 47mins video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1lPBc-UMI&list=UUiVusFnWKEZ1kHyTy_9jXcw

Please understand that I am personally not interested in tribes who ones lived on the Land. I believe the Land has always been conditioned for inhabitants. Anytime the people violated the conditions, God threw them out. So from religion point of view is the easiest way to get clear picture. The reason Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs) are concerned about the affairs of the Palestinians or Holy Land is because of spiritual connection NOT just the physical land as in worldly material which is what Israel wants or desires. Yes, the Land has God-given worldly materials underneath the earth including Gaza. Israel knows that.
So I am not interested in this or that ethnic groups who lived there thousands of years. That's irrelevant. Even from Bible account, old Israelite-Jews were rescued from slavery and persecution from Pharaoh and brought to the Holy Land by Musa (as). This indicates that they did not own the Land either.

Finally, let me call your attention to the fact that i said in my earlier post that it's possible Israel will dramatically expands its territory (by massacring Palestinians or consuming them militarily and imprisoning military age men) because it claims Holy Land extends from river Nile to Euphrates. This can only mean one thing, economy and military of Israel dominion over the Arabs. But this will eventually end. You know why? because modern day Israel is not founded on foundation of faith that resembles King David and King Solomon(as). Only religion of Abraham will survive in the Land (Islam). This is hinted in Qur'an (Chapter 21:105).

"And We have already written Psalms [in the book of David] after the [previous] mention that My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth"

Similarly mentioned in the Bible...Matthew 5:5 New International Version (NIV)

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth".

What's meek?, Who are obedient to God and hold on to His covenants? Isn't the Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs). Or you think it's Israel which restricted its religion to the Jews ethnically?. The Israel that is bombing innocent men, women and children and lying about it?. Same people who killed God's prophets in the past attempted to kill Jesus(as)?. This is not faith and righteousness, is it?

The point is Holy Land belongs Muslims. That is, anyone who embraces Islam is entitled whether you are White, Black, Yellow or whatever nationality you are. Islam does not recognize "chosen people" as in nationality which is what Judaism is about. Those periods are over. What's recognized is "chosen Ummah" i:e Muslims Nation(community) without racial discrimination. Geographically, it's understood that Arab-Palestine who are majority Muslims, ethnically live there fulfilling the conditions since old Jerusalem was destroyed. It doesn't mean Jews and Christians can't live there. They can but they cant claim it as their own (authority). They have lost the contract(covenants).

Finally, I do not want to be hard on you or any non-Muslims. We don't know perhaps you might have change of heart and recognize oppression in the Holy Land. You have a good day.

Empiree

@ blue quote, I would imagine you seeking references for covenants, Pharaoh's body preservation, Israelite Jews disobedient to God, right?. Well, pls do take your time to watch the videos in full before you reply so that you can object intelligently, if any. Fair enough?

I asked you for historical references - historical accounts are early manuscripts or testimonies from multiple sources attesting the same thing. The Quran is not a historical book, it is a revelation to only one man who claimed an Angel narrated Allah message. For example - the Quran claimed Adam was 60 cubit tall and since then, men has been shirking in size until the present day. We all know that it is impossible to be as tall as a 10 story building. So, using the Quran as a historical source is questionable. The Quran claims stars are Missiles shot at devils. If you have common sense just like I do; you will realize that stars are not missiles but they are luminous globe of gas producing its own heat and light by nuclear reactions (nuclear fusion). The Quran also claimed that the moon was split in two. There are several questionable events in the Quran that has no historical bearing so the Quran is not an authority on this matter.

Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....
Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....

^^^ Refer to my response above

Return Of Jesus in Islam(Sheikh Imran Hosein) 1hr video (the return of Jesus(as), his link with modern day Israel etc)
This 1hr lecture most likely answers your concern or may enlightens you. Take your time and watch. I watched it 10yrs ago.

Who Owns Holy Land, JEWS or MUSLIMS? (this is 47mins video)

^^^ Refer to my response above

Please understand that I am personally not interested in tribes who ones lived on the Land. I believe the Land has always been conditioned for inhabitants. Anytime the people violated the conditions, God threw them out. So from religion point of view is the easiest way to get clear picture.

No it is not. The Quran and it's narrations are 1400 years old. The Torah predates the Quran several hundreds of years and carries more authority on this matter than it does. This issue is a historical one not a religious one. So, please provide a historical reference outside the Quran for scholarship purposes so we can all review.

The reason Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs) are concerned about the affairs of the Palestinians or Holy Land is because of spiritual connection NOT just the physical land as in worldly material which is what Israel wants or desires. Yes, the Land has God-given worldly materials underneath the earth including Gaza. Israel knows that.

This makes logical sense. People have a sense of deep connection to their home-land. However, this doesn't answer who can make claim to the land or who was there first.

So I am not interested in this or that ethnic groups who lived there thousands of years. That's irrelevant. Even from Bible account, old Israelite-Jews were rescued from slavery and persecution from Pharaoh and brought to the Holy Land by Musa (as). This indicates that they did not own the Land either.

Bros, God is the owner or everything in the heavens and the earth. God made a promise to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their seed to give them their promised land. If you own thousands of land as king and others where living there and you decide to give it to your family, you have the right to do so and your family has the right to stay there. In addition, Moses (not Musa) didn't take the Israelites to the promised or Holy land. Please read up on your history. He took them out of bondage from Egypt.

Finally, let me call your attention to the fact that i said in my earlier post that it's possible Israel will dramatically expands its territory (by massacring Palestinians or consuming them militarily and imprisoning military age men) because it claims Holy Land extends from river Nile to Euphrates. This can only mean one thing, economy and military of Israel dominion over the Arabs. But this will eventually end. You know why? because modern day Israel is not founded on foundation of faith that resembles King David and King Solomon(as). Only religion of Abraham will survive in the Land (Islam). This is hinted in Qur'an (Chapter 21:105).

I think you will not be around to see this Quranic revelation take place. You and I weren't born in 1948, I wasn't in 1967 or 1973 at which time all Muslims tried to remove Israel from the land and failed. I have said it and will say it - Israel is not going anywhere. If you think the wiping of out 8 million Jews is feasible by Muslims; I can tell you this much - Jews and Israelis will not sit by. So, keep wishing all you want.

"And We have already written Psalms [in the book of David] after the [previous] mention that My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth"
Similarly mentioned in the Bible...Matthew 5:5 New International Version (NIV)
"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth". What's meek?, Who are obedient to God and hold on to His covenants? Isn't the Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs). Or you think it's Israel which restricted its religion to the Jews ethnically?. The Israel that is bombing innocent men, women and children and lying about it?. Same people who killed God's prophets in the past attempted to kill Jesus(as)?. This is not faith and righteousness, is it?

Jews do not believe Jesus was the Son or God neither does Muslims - so that puts you in the same boat Bros. Arabs and Muslims have been killing themselves since the death of Mohammad. The Sunnis hate the Shias and the Shias hate the Sunnis. You guys kill one another and kill non muslims well. Truly a pathetic situation. Look at Sunnis and Shias in Syria and Iraq. Look at the Iraq - Kuwait war. Look at what the Taliban is doing to their own people or people that don't agree with them. Look at ISIS and how it is killing Christian kids and putting their heads on polls. So, keep on with your wishful thinking.

The point is Holy Land belongs Muslims.

- You haven't made any point on this Bros.

That is, anyone who embraces Islam is entitled whether you are White, Black, Yellow or whatever nationality you are. Islam does not recognize "chosen people" as in nationality which is what Judaism is about.

Really? Then why do Shia and Sunni slaughter themselves like chickens? Why did Mohammad say an Ethiopian has a head like a raisin?

Here is Surah 9:97 = The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger: But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise.

Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11 = Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.

Continue with your delusion that Islam is not biased. I only feel pity for you.

Those periods are over. What's recognized is "chosen Ummah" i:e Muslims Nation(community) without racial discrimination. Geographically, it's understood that Arab-Palestine who are majority Muslims, ethnically live there fulfilling the conditions since old Jerusalem was destroyed. It doesn't mean Jews and Christians can't live there. They can but they cant claim it as their own (authority). They have lost the contract(covenants).

Again, you are giving no historical references to your argument. Using Youtube or the Quran are not historical references. Imagine this - if I gave the Bible as a justification that Israel has right over the land. The Bible predates the Quran and existed over 600 years before Islam and the Quran. So, if you want to follow earlier sources, the Bible has more authority on history than the Quran on this matter. I certainly am sure that you would dis-agree. However, my logic is correct.

Finally, I do not want to be hard on you or any non-Muslims. We don't know perhaps you might have change of heart and recognize oppression in the Holy Land. You have a good day.

Honestly, I feel pity for you. All I can do is refer you to a Muslim who was a Hamas leader himself to hear his story:

http://www.amazon.com/Son-Hamas-Gripping-Political-Unthinkable/dp/1414333080

@ CloudStar, I am not impressed with balderdash wrote up there. It is simple. Bring your religious texts and come forward. Period. You do not have any historical facts other than Jewish and Christian Bibles bcuz you mentioned Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Arabs and Muslims have no problems with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (May God's peace and Blessing be upon them). Anything else you said are irrelevant to this subject. We believe in Divine revealed Books prior to Quran. So bring them forward. If not, I wont reply you. You just wallowing around like cyclone.

You dont want to cite religious texts yet you mentioned 3 prophets?. You think the Land was free. If Holy Land has no religion connotation historically attached with it I doubt christians would be supporting these murderers by now. And by our secular law, anyone who aids criminals is equally guilty. Stop talking and come forward with your religious texts. Period

Empiree

CloudStar, I am not impressed with balderdash wrote up there. It is simple. Bring your religious texts and come forward. Period. You do not have any historical facts other than Jewish and Christian Bibles bcuz you mentioned Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Arabs and Muslims have no problems with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (May God's peace and Blessing be upon them). Anything else you said are irrelevant to this subject. We believe in Divine revealed Books prior to Quran. So bring them forward. If not, I wont reply you. You just wallowing around like cyclone.

Typical circular Muslim reasoning. You can refer to the Quran as a religious text yet you refuse to use other religious text that predates the Quran. Bros, I never used the Bible or Torah as evidence that the Jews and Israelite's own Palestine. I asked who can lay claim to the land. It was there that you went on your Quran rhetoric and started telling us about the revelation in the Quran. It was at this juncture that I informed you that the Quran can't be used as a historic text since it's account on so many issue is inaccurate. I also emphasized that if you are to use the Quran, then you should also use the Torah and the Bible which predates the Quran several hundreds of years.

Can you tell us the divine revealed Books outside the Quran you are referring to?

You dont want to cite religious texts yet you mentioned 3 prophets?. You think the Land was free. If Holy Land has no religion connotation historically attached with it I doubt christians would be supporting these murderers by now. And by our secular law, anyone who aids criminals is equally guilty. Stop talking and come forward with your religious texts. Period

Let me break it down for you so you can use your 2nd grade education to understand. I will ask a few questions:

1. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Bible or the Quran?
2. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Torah or the Quran?

Your response will clear the fog you are brewing for yourself

cloudstar: Empiree



Typical circular Muslim reasoning. You can refer to the Quran as a religious text yet you refuse to use other religious text that predates the Quran. Bros, I never used the Bible or Torah as evidence that the Jews and Israelite's own Palestine. I asked who can lay claim to the land. It was there that you went on your Quran rhetoric and started telling us about the revelation in the Quran. It was at this juncture that I informed you that the Quran can't be used as a historic text since it's account on so many issue is inaccurate. I also emphasized that if you are to use the Quran, then you should also use the Torah and the Bible which predates the Quran several hundreds of years.

Can you tell us the divine revealed Books outside the Quran you are referring to?

Let me break it down for you so you can use your 2nd grade education to understand. I will ask a few questions:

1. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Bible or the Quran?
2. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Torah or the Quran?

Your response will clear the fog you are brewing for yourself

Jesus christ! you quoted me yet you dont understand what you quote?. Gosh! For the last time, bring me your religious text to back up Jews' claims. It was you who said "God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob". Thats means you should bring forward Divine Book revealed to Abraham(God's mercy upon him) because as far as I know it all started from him. He's known to Jews, Christians and Muslims as "father of faith". Onus is now on you. We muslims have no problem with God's promise to these men.

It's clear from your replies that you didnt watch the videos. I am not using Quran for now. I said bring your Book let's talk. Leave Quran alone. But if you will keep wandering around, i wont reply you anymore. The video by White guy explains it all. And he used Jews and christian Bible. i:e your own Book to break it down. He barely used Quran. You getting on my nerve now.

Empiree

Jesus christ! you quoted me yet you dont understand what you quote?. Gosh! For the last time, bring me your religious text to back up Jews' claims. It was you who said "God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob".

Are you high? I asked you a simple question. Does the Torah and Bible predate the Quran? You are here blabbing rubbish. It's a simple question enough

Thats means you should bring forward Divine Book revealed to Abraham(God's mercy upon him) because as far as I know it all started from him. He's known to Jews, Christians and Muslims as "father of faith". Onus is now on you. We muslims have no problem with God's promise to these men.

Of course you don't. The issue is the account of the Abraham you know. This question can be answered if you are honest enough to answer this simple question. Does the Bible and Torah predate the Quran?

It's clear from your replies that you didnt watch the videos. I am not using Quran for now. I said bring your Book let's talk. Leave Quran alone. But if you will keep wandering around, i wont reply you anymore. The video by White guy explains it all. And he used Jews and christian Bible. i:e your own Book to break it down. He barely used Quran. You getting on my nerve now.

Take a chill pill and sit down. The account of God's promise to Abraham is in the Torah and Bible. My question to you is simple - does the Bible and Torah predate the Quran? Going further - there are early manuscripts that predates when the Torah and Bible was compiled i.e. the dead sea scrolls. Abraham was neither Jew, Hebrew, Arab, Christian nor Muslim. He was from Ur and wasn't a Native of the land he wandered and lived in. He is set apart because He had faith in God and also had a covenant with God.

@Cloudstar

Cloudstar may God bless you, your manner of response is quite commendable. I am highly impressed.
As I have said earlier, and will always repeat, the hypocrisy, al-taqiyyas, and lies in muslims (and Islam) is legendary and unimaginable. The happenings in palestine is bad, but muslims will never believe that the palenstians were launching rockets to Isreal which prompted the Israeli responses.

On the issue of Iraqi ISIS expelling, raping, looting and killing christians in Iraq, to the muslims it is a normal thing. It is a religios duty commanded by mohammed (spit be upon him) against the 'infidels'.

I am very sure, I wont see any muslim protest, in any part of the world, against the atrocities being committed by the Jihadist against the 'infidels'. It is business as usual.

Empiree: @Cloudstar

Coming from someone who hate others just because a 7th century Arabian illiterate told him to do so. Truly pathetic