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Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by pickabeau1: 3:48pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
shymexx: Elbe n jardel were not jogo bonito players |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by chucky234(m): 5:21pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
abatically:Coutinho is a number 10 since his days in Brazil and Inter Milan, Paulinho is also a number 10 thats why Luiz Gustavo or Lucas Leivia plays behind him in the DM role to do the defending, recently you have Fernandinho and Gustavo providing cover for Paulinho. Coutinho effect games positively when he plays in the midfield because of his vision and defence splitting passes, at Spurs he Paulinho plays the number 10 role with Dembele and Sandro/Bentaleb providing cover for him. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by ksbusari(m): 8:05pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
Smartsyn: I still can't believe that this is the same Brazilian side that won the confederation barely 12months ago...confederation tournament has 2 groups( 8 teams) so it is an easy competition. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by sulmeza(m): 11:07pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
Oluwapresley: Nobody is asking if they av got a descent team. Do u think this the worst Brazil team ever? Simplescrol back up,u'l gt ur ansa |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by abatically(m): 11:20pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
chucky234: Coutinho is a number 10 since his days in Brazil and Inter Milan, Paulinho is also a number 10 thats why Luiz Gustavo or Lucas Leivia plays behind him in the DM role to do the defending, recently you have Fernandinho and Gustavo providing cover for Paulinho. I wonder what kind of football u watch. Oscar plays no 10 for Brazil not paulinho. So let me get u straight, u said luiz Gustavo and fernadinho provides cover for paulinho. Add 4 defenders and goalkeeper that's 8 players. Then add the quartet of Oscar, hulk, neymar and Fred that is 12 players. In which planet does 12 players play football? Paulinho is a central/ box to box midfielder while Gustavo is defensive midfielder. Gustavo partners paulinho/fernadinho in the middle while Oscar plays in front of them just behind the main striker. Paulinho has never played no 10 for Brazil. It has always been Oscar with Gustavo and paulinho or fernadinho behind him. Also u may know coutinho played a lot of time from the left flank for Liverpool last season, cutting into the middle. Suarez and Sturridge played the middle. In modern football, playing from the flanks doesn't necessarily make u a winger. Thomas Mueller is not a winger and he plays from the right flank for Germany. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by chucky234(m): 12:05am On Jul 14, 2014 |
abatically:Oscar only played as number 10 against Holland with Luiz Gustavo playing the defensive midfield role, Gustavo is a DM and not CM, at Bayern he sit just in front of the back while Bastian occupied the number role. Gustavo lost his place in the Bayern team to Javier Martinez who is also a DM, Martinez later lost his place to Toni Kroos. Have you ever seen Gustavo (both for club and country) in opponent's 18 yard box scoring goals? The answer is NO because he task is to help the defence and keep possession, Paulihno in the other hand has scored many goals going forward from his number 10 role. Coutihno only played from the left when Gerard and Sturridge were out injured while Joe Allen slotted in as number 10, when Gerard and Sturridge returned from injury Coutihno was moved back to midfield with Suarez on the left wing, Sterling on the right wing and Sturridge in the middle in a transitional 4 3 3 formation. Liverpool had Gerard, Henderson and Coutinho in a three man midfield with Gerard playing a deeper role while Jordan Henderson did all the running and tackles, Coutinho pull the strings just behind the front three of Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by abatically(m): 12:19am On Jul 14, 2014 |
chucky234: Oscar only played as number 10 against Holland with Luiz Gustavo playing the defensive midfield role, Gustavo is a DM and not CM, at Bayern he sit just in front of the back while Bastian occupied the number role. Can u show me in my comment where I said Luis Gustavo is a CM? And paulinho has never played no 10 for Brazil. Paulinho does for Brazil what Henderson does for Liverpool, he is box to box midfielder. If u think paulinho plays 10 for Brazil then where does Oscar play? |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by chucky234(m): 12:24am On Jul 14, 2014 |
abatically:The only match Oscar played the number 10 role was third place match against Holland, he played the right wing with Hulk occupying the left wing in a 4 4 2 formation. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by abatically(m): 12:34am On Jul 14, 2014 |
chucky234: The only match Oscar played the number 10 role was third place match against Holland, he played the right wing with Hulk occupying the left wing in a 4 4 2 formation. 4-4-2 is a classic formation that does not require a number 10. It requires 2 CM and true wingers. The wingers are required to cross the ball to the 2 strikers. This is a formation that Manchester united has used well in the past with the likes of David Beckham, Ryan giggs, Valencia, Nani supplying the strikers, it doesn't require a number 10. This is one of the main reason kagawa found it difficult to play well at united because they are accustomed to a 4-4-2 formation. Brazil on the other hand has no true wingers, hulk is a right sided forward, not a winger, neither is Oscar. So no way they would play a 4-4-2. It has been 4-2-1-3 with Gustavo and paulinho in midfield, Oscar as number 10, hulk right forward and neymar left forward. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by chucky234(m): 7:57am On Jul 14, 2014 |
abatically:Seem you want to teach me my job, your Manchester has playing 4 4 2 ever since Fergie took over the reign. You had Dwight Yorke and Andrew Cole occuppying the 2 in 4 4 2 with Ryan Giggs and Beckham occupying both flanks, Paul Scholes occupied the number 10 with Roy Keane sitting deep in a four-man midfield and was the DM. Nigeria also played the 4 4 2 formation with Okocha occupying the number role while Oliseh occupied the number 4 role, in the field of play formation doesnt appear the way the draw it on paper or on television the kick of games. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by abatically(m): 1:23pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
chucky234: Seem you want to teach me my job, your Manchester has playing 4 4 2 ever since Fergie took over the reign. U also can't teach me what I know. There is no true number 10 in a 4-4-2 set up. So u expect 2 strikers , 1 number 10 and just one central midfielder? Dude that team will leak a lot of goals. You need at least 2 players in the middle of the park. 1 holding/ defensive midfielder and one box to box/cm. Why do u think Manchester united play kagawa on the left or Mata on the right when they play 4-4-2 while carrick and cleverly play CM? Kagawa and Mata are natural number 10 but the can't play CM that is why cleverly or fellaini or fletcher partners carrick in CM, carrick being the holding midfielder. Same thing with united of old, Roy Keane plays defensive midfield while scholes plays box to box. Whenever scholes plays no 10, there must be 2 CM behind him and that is when butt/veron plays along side Keane, that formation is no longer 4-4-2 but 4-3-3 or 4-2-1-3 or 4-2-1-2-1. U need to have 2 players in the central midfield. Same thing with Chelsea when they switch to 4-4-2 while looking for goals. They take Oscar off who is the no 10 and bring on ba to partner etoo or Torres in attack. With willian and schurrle on the flanks and 2 CM in matic and lampard/Ramirez. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by chucky234(m): 2:20pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
abatically:And why do you think Juup Hyncken was furious with Kagawa being played out of position? May I also remind you that willian is also being played out of position at Chelsea, thats if you watched him play for Shakter Donesk and Anzi. There is no formation without a number 10, except you want me to believe that Okocha was a DM in our 4 4 2 system. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by kryptonia: 2:40pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
No Yes |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:34pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
ARES: they use up too much energy singing their national anthem...... they start playing at 85% strength, thats why their opponents score them in the first 5 minutes Wicked... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:36pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Wicked... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:37pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
kendrick93: i will take coutinho and moura over oscar and hulk anyday.. oscar is d most uncreative 10 i hav ever seen play for brazil. hulk is just poo Smh... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by abatically(m): 3:38pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
chucky234: And why do you think Juup Hyncken was furious with Kagawa being played out of position? Kagawa found it difficult to fit into manchester united because Unuted are used to playing 4-4-2 which gives no room for a number 10. At Dortmund they played 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-2-1 with Kagawa playing in front of Vidal and another CM that protects Kagawa. At United, they don't have a good DM or holding midfielder, playing kagawa in the middle of the park will expose the team. Kagawa will fit in a 4-2-1-3 or 4-2-1-2-1 which is just another form of 4-3-3 formation.. with Kagawa sitting behind the striker which is where a no 10 plays. Mikel for example plays holding midfield for the current super eagles, not no 10.. Babatunde played no 10 against bosnia and argentina while azeez played no 10 against Iran. Against France it was supposed to be Moses but he lacks the tactical discipline of a natural no 10. A 4-4-2 formation does not require a number 10. In USA 94 against Italy, Okocha started as a central midfielder with Sunday Oliseh (Oliseh being defensive minded while Okocha has freedom to move forward). Amunike played left wing, finidi right and Amokachi and Yekini as strikers. Later Amokachi was subbed and Mutiu Adepoju came in. This allowed Okocha to advance to play no 10 while Adepoju supported Oliseh in central Midfield. Okocha is more versatile and he can play as a no 10 and also central midfield, just like Tony Kroos. Kroos had to play CM along side sweinsteigger in the absence of Khedira against Argentina because Ozil was playing number 10. In France 98 against Spain, Okocha played number 10 behind Mutiu Adepoju and Oliseh in something that looked like a 4-2-1-3 formation.
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Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:40pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
mafimiseleya: thats just it,when u build a team around one playr or coach u get to receive 7 up and 3crown.gbam Smh... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:43pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
sheylarhh: Wicked... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:48pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
priscaoge: 4JOKES LMAO... ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 3:50pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
hensben: I tried making my Facebook password "brazildefence" but the site says its too weak. Wicked... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by pickabeau1: 4:18pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
coded01: Bros i hail ooo |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 4:23pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
pickabeau1: I hail 2 oh! ![]() ![]() My Bro, Messi loss, e dey pain oh... ![]() Anyway, life continues... ![]() Success in 2014/2015 season awaits us... ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by Fulaman198(m): 4:29pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
Brazil, like Nigeria used to be a team comprised of big names. Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Denilson, Romario, Bebeto, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, etc. etc. They have fallen since. |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by pickabeau1: 4:33pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
coded01: Yes.. Athletico decimated back to the duopoly.. some good keepers.. nothing on the defens front.. does not bode well Wenger showing some uncharacteristic willingness to spend |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 4:37pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Wenger actually is breaking the banks... ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by pickabeau1: 4:41pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
coded01: Surprising.. ![]() |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 4:43pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Na so oh after clinching 1 trophy in 9 years... ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by pickabeau1: 4:47pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
coded01: Not necessarily only d trophy but i think its a culmination of that, the non attractiveness of th brand due to being seen as a selling cluband the stadium financing challenges |
Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by IFELEKE(m): 5:46pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
@Topic,Of Course!
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Re: Is This The Worst Brazilian Side Ever? by coded01: 5:53pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Next season EPL would be..... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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