VirginFinder: The Doctor is king/boss/lord in the hospital!

Why is that difficult for anyone to comprehend?

The only people that come close to the doctors are the pharmacists.

I am sorry, any other person in the medical profession is an underdog.

If you want to be like a doctor, then go back to school and study medicine!

Now,back to the issue of consultant,let it be known that there are conditions attatched to the title. Medical scientists,pharmacists,nurses,physiotherapists attain educational level of Phd in their profession.
For example,a medical scientist specializes in haematology in masters and Phd level,obtains his fellows and satisfies all requirements by the MLSCN council. Why should such a fellow with vast knowledge in haematology not be allowed to consult with the patient and the patient's doctor on matters relating to haematological matters? It irks when i read some comments here.

In terms of salary,lets have a rethink. For example,as an intern,a scientist earns N120K, a doctor/house officer earns N170K-N180. Now JOHESU requests for an increase,relative to CONMESS scale....N150/160k. Why NMA wan come get HBP on top the matter? All JOHESU is asking for is a relative increase. Peeps who are shouting abt job the rigors of the medical duty should not undermine what other health workers go through. Being on call in haematology laboratory in a teaching hospital is like being on a rollercoaster!
It is the same time too. So what is wrong abt JOHESU requesting for shift duty/call duty allowance and other special allowance.
As an intern,hazard allowance was a mere N10k. What d hell! We handle body fluids too and get exposed to all the vile things running amok.

Those who want privatization of other health sectors are living in a fool's paradise. Who can afford it? Services in the health sector is highly subsidized,but still expensive for certain peeps.
Privatization will only make things worse.

And for the skipping of a thing,why are doctors against skipping when they are doing it? They skip from 10 to 12,we want a skip from 9 to 11. Why dem wan get headache? Lol! *SMH*
finally,on the issue of CMD,i will state here boldly that i have no qualms with doctors being the CMDs. All we ask for is professional courtsey.

Emilliw3m: What is naija turning into

I didn't say they should be reduced to minions, all I proffer is that a limit of years experience should be inserted, then there should be no monetary gains in being a CMD .

I for one is not happy that consultant Drs are reduced to doing administrative work in a country where the doctor : patient ratio is disproportionate. A nurse or a pharmacy or a doctor can be a CMD so long as their pay package remains the same. That way, I doctor would not envy that CMD who is a nurse since he/she earns more than him/her. Nigeria like making the top juicier and hence corruption persists.

Consultant nurse or pharmacy is too vacuous an idea for government to approve. The status quo of a dr (only consultant) should remain.

GentleMimi: Sai! Patient's perspective indeed.
I weep for this country. I've followed this strike ish for quite some time,even had a debate with some colleagues.
I read an article online abt the requests of the doctors. Nobody is disputing it. They want increase in hazard allowance to N100,000 per month,and some other things too. That is fine by us. But for NMA to boldly come out,stating it will not condone ''blackmail'' by health workers is so annoying. How does the title of ''Consultant'' result to blackmail? Is it something that has never been done before? Is it strange in other countries? Why are the doctors hell bent on being an obstacle to the progress of other health workers?
Now,back to the issue of consultant,let it be known that there are conditions attatched to the title. Medical scientists,pharmacists,nurses,physiotherapists attain educational level of Phd in their profession.
For example,a medical scientist specializes in haematology in masters and Phd level,obtains his fellows and satisfies all requirements by the MLSCN council. Why should such a fellow with vast knowledge in haematology not be allowed to consult with the patient and the patient's doctor on matters relating to haematological matters? It irks when i read some comments here.
In terms of salary,lets have a rethink. For example,as an intern,a scientist earns N120K, a doctor/house officer earns N170K-N180. Now JOHESU requests for an increase,relative to CONMESS scale....N150/160k. Why NMA wan come get HBP on top the matter? All JOHESU is asking for is a relative increase. Peeps who are shouting abt job the rigors of the medical duty should not undermine what other health workers go through. Being on call in haematology laboratory in a teaching hospital is like being on a rollercoaster!
It is the same time too. So what is wrong abt JOHESU requesting for shift duty/call duty allowance and other special allowance.
As an intern,hazard allowance was a mere N10k. What d hell! We handle body fluids too and get exposed to all the vile things running amok.
Those who want privatization of other health sectors are living in a fool's paradise. Who can afford it? Services in the health sector is highly subsidized,but still expensive for certain peeps.
Privatization will only make things worse.
And for the skipping of a thing,why are doctors against skipping when they are doing it? They skip from 10 to 12,we want a skip from 9 to 11. Why dem wan get headache? Lol! *SMH*
finally,on the issue of CMD,i will state here boldly that i have no qualms with doctors being the CMDs. All we ask for is professional courtsey.

jpphilips: .

snowytee: TF is "I was meant to understand"?

jpphilips:

sorry bros, just help me put the right phrase, while doing that, Kindly read meaning into the rest of the message to garner support for our doctors, like I told a friend of mine, it is we the patients that will suffer most if the status quo is not restored.

Look at the competition between the BSc Nurses and the Registered nurses (all JOHESU members) and now they want consultancy?
I don't want a nurse to tell me she is a consultant who can no longer pack sh!!t in the ward.

phantom:

thank you!!!regarding the first bolded.... are masters and phD the required qualifications for consultancy abroad? if they are please furnish links.secondly,in what setting abroad do the consultant nurses and pharmacists work?? in the hospitals please furnish links
@second bolded.....let the relativity be maintained.skipping johesu without skipping doctors will erode that relativity.the relativity we are using now is not the proper one.

@third bolded.....the issue of hazard affects evreybody and that is why i maintain that chukwu should be sacked. the issues in the health sector now can only be settled on a round table iwth all the interested parties involved.
hazard should be paid based on the risk you face at work.simple!!! and it should be negotiated for all health workers at the same time.
lab scientists&pathologists>surgeons(including O&G)>radiographers/radiologists>pysiciians including paediatricians>nurses>pub health docs>pharmacists

@fourth bolded....privatization is the way to go.that is one of the reasons NMA is insisting on 100% coverage for NHIS. they go hand in hand.
privatization will address simultaneously the issues of quality or standard of healthcare(including training of personnel and up to date equipment) and better remuneration of workers

jpphilips:


You want to be a consultant but you don't want to own the patient, bros I disagree completely with you, we don't need more bureaucracies in our health sector.

consultant(from Latin:consultare"to discuss" is a professional who provides professional or expert advice [ 1 ]in a particular area such as security ( electronicor physical), management, accountancy, law, human resources, marketing(and public relations), finance, engineering, scienceor any of many other specialized fields.

GentleMimi: Sai! Patient's perspective indeed.
I weep for this couyntry. I've followed this strike ish for quite some time,even had a debate with some colleagues.
I read an article online abt the requests of the doctors. Nobody is disputing it. They want increase in hazard allowance to N100,000 per month,and some other things too. That is fine by us. But for NMA to boldly come out,stating it will not condone ''blackmail'' by health workers is so annoying. How does the title of ''Consultant'' result to blackmail? Is it something that has never been done before? Is it strange in other countries? Why are the doctors hell bent on being an obstacle to the progress of other health workers?
Now,back to the issue of consultant,let it be known that there are conditions attatched to the title. Medical scientists,pharmacists,nurses,physiotherapists attain educational level of Phd in their profession.
For example,a medical scientist specializes in haematology in masters and Phd level,obtains his fellows and satisfies all requirements by the MLSCN council. Why should such a fellow with vast knowledge in haematology not be allowed to consult with the patient and the patient's doctor on matters relating to haematological matters? It irks when i read some comments here.
In terms of salary,lets have a rethink. For example,as an intern,a scientist earns N120K, a doctor/house officer earns N170K-N180. Now JOHESU requests for an increase,relative to CONMESS scale....N150/160k. Why NMA wan come get HBP on top the matter? All JOHESU is asking for is a relative increase. Peeps who are shouting abt job the rigors of the medical duty should not undermine what other health workers go through. Being on call in haematology laboratory in a teaching hospital is like being on a rollercoaster!
It is the same time too. So what is wrong abt JOHESU requesting for shift duty/call duty allowance and other special allowance.
As an intern,hazard allowance was a mere N10k. What d hell! We handle body fluids too and get exposed to all the vile things running amok.
Those who want privatization of other health sectors are living in a fool's paradise. Who can afford it? Services in the health sector is highly subsidized,but still expensive for certain peeps.
Privatization will only make things worse.
And for the skipping of a thing,why are doctors against skipping when they are doing it? They skip from 10 to 12,we want a skip from 9 to 11. Why dem wan get headache? Lol! *SMH*
finally,on the issue of CMD,i will state here boldly that i have no qualms with doctors being the CMDs. All we ask for is professional courtsey.

malbruno: my dear, u have Said it all, just an addition d consultants are meant to specialize in a particular area of study like consultant gyenocologist, consultant urologist etc. Their role differ, so it will be for Consultant chem pathologist, consultant haematologist consultant pharmacist when they have got the requisit qualification. How is it affecting other consultants who shld face their own specialty. what kind egocentric set of human beings

Tbamo:
So you think a house officer and an intern in the lab or pharm intern do the same things or have the same responsibilities? And so should earn the same?
During your internship can you be sued for malpractice as a pharmacist?
What do you do during your calls?
How many life threatening cases do you engage as a pharmacy intern?
And you want to earn the same as the doctor?

GentleMimi:
What patient? You aint a patient,dude. Lol! Some of us aint naive.
You brandish the health workers as people fighting for inconsequential needs. All i did was point them out to the alleged ''patient'' who has been convinced into believing that health workers are a set of egocentric individuals who want to war with doctors. As for ur thread title,oh really? Lol.
For the record,i'm a female.

And what do u mean by ''own'' a patient? U see why i have doubts abt u being a neutral mind? Patient indeed! *scoffs*.
Obviously,making quality health services available to ur ''patients'' at an affordable and attainable cost seems to come at the bottom of ur list.
Do not give me the ''patient'' line. You expect good services when the service provider is subjected to a non-condusive working environment and deprived of basic incentives. Oh wow!

We are in the system,we know the drill.

adeoladrg:

You think this is a fight about owning the patient? You'll understand better when you lose a loved one to a doctor's mistake that could have been corrected by a pharmacist or nurse.

jpphilips:

sorry bros, just help me put the right phrase, while doing that, Kindly read meaning into the rest of the message to garner support for our doctors, like I told a friend of mine, it is we the patients that will suffer most if the status quo is not restored.

Look at the competition between the BSc Nurses and the Registered nurses (all JOHESU members) and now they want consultancy?
I don't want a nurse to tell me she is a consultant who can no longer pack sh!!t in the ward.

adekayo1234: fixed


By the way, I am glad people are beginning to reason with some of the NMA's demand. I am also surprise the minister is begging the doctors to report back to work. My people, let's do this calculation
A) Remove the lab scientist from the teaching hospital, would the hospital still function. Yes!
B) Do same for the pharmacist who IMO is not different from the chemist nearby and ask the same question. Am sure your answer will tally with mine

Only the nurse remains vital in patients' care next to the doctor in the hospital setting. So what are we talking about?
My last question goes thus: Is a professor of medicine equivalent to a consultant?
Let my people think

Iwegbadu:

Doctors are not Gods patients that would die would die anyways stop worshiping doctors They do their best but sometimes situations dont permit saving

VirginFinder: The Doctor is king/boss/lord in the hospital!

Why is that difficult for anyone to comprehend?

The only people that come close to the doctors are the pharmacists.

I am sorry, any other person in the medical profession is an underdog.

If you want to be like a doctor, then go back to school and study medicine!

Oduduwaboy:

...this is the rant of a stone-age man.

Iwegbadu:

Doctors are not Gods patients that would die would die anyways stop worshiping doctors They do their best but sometimes situations dont permit saving