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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 5:18pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: pls don't quote eye surgery its as common as mosquitoes in Nigeria, as for organ transplant i don't believe you understand the logistics that follow it( there is a reason that it is not common here in Nigeria) so leave it at that. recently delsuth performed their first kidney transplant and patient/donor are still alive. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 5:27pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: medical post graduate colleges award fellowships not consultancy status, you can take the title on appointment by the govt or setting up of your own private practice. this does not however stop medical officers from running their own clinics as am sure it doesn't stop pharmacist from owning pharmacies with or without a fellowship. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 5:27pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
armadeo: work.chron.com/clinical-nurse- consultant-13912.html www.prospects.ac.uk/ hospital_pharmacist_salary.htm www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/ pharmacy/pharmacist/hospital-pharmacist/ Some experienced hospital pharmacists working in advanced roles are able to meet the criteria needed to be recognised as consultant pharmacists. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 5:34pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
drered: Period? Who made you author and finisher? Kindly swerve.. denial and anger in a single step, you are getting there. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by drered(m): 5:39pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
armadeo:Ok sis.. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by house37: 5:59pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Kudos to the doctors and other enlightened people in the house who know the role doctors have played in their lives from birth till now.Keep up the good work u are doing trying to enlighten the general public. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by rolex29: 6:02pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
GentleMimi: Sai! Patient's perspective indeed.very sound and objective write up .Doctors own the patient and nobody want to take your patient away from you we only want to reach the zenith of our respective fields it doesnt stop any doctor from performing his or her duties at all . A house officer pay is d same thing with a PMLS (atleast u must ve worked for 10 years to get to that salary level o! ) while interns get N112 ,546 in d eastern state where i reside so its really poor .Delivering quality healthcare to patients is a focal point in all medical professions and lets not forget anybody can be a patient nobody is excluded not even the doctors who own the patient so i dont how hindering the progress and welfare of other medical professionals will improve the quality of healthcare in this our nation. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by sainty2k3(m): 6:03pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Samgreguc: The first definition defines consultant anything including consultant pharmacist ,nurses The second one focused on hospital settings and rightly define it as medical doctor of highest rank This is an updated dictionary , and know that the term consultant pharmacist has been on for a while, its not new, but its not used for hospital based pharmacist anywhere, its for institutition based pharmacist, who served elderly home,industries etc. And this rightly fit in to the first definition |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 6:07pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
rolex29: very sound and objective write up .Doctors own the patient and nobody want to take your patient away from you we only want to reach the zenith of our respective fields it doesnt stop any doctor from performing his or her duties at all . A house officer pay is d same thing with a PMLS (atleast u must ve worked for 10 years to get to that salary level o! ) while interns get N112 ,546 in d eastern state where i reside so its really poor .Delivering quality healthcare to patients is a focal point in all medical professions and lets not forget anybody can be a patient nobody is excluded not even the doctors who own the patient so i dont how hindering the progress and welfare of other medical professionals will improve the quality of healthcare in this our nation. Again nobody stops you from getting an Msc or Phd in your respective field. no one is against your progress or welfare. the Ho/Pmls salary issue is based on economics (demand and supply) |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by sainty2k3(m): 6:07pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: What are the criteria and can u cite any example of such working within the Walls of hospital and not in instituition as we all know. The link above doesn't specify such, may be u do a justice to the argument by posting a screenshot of it |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 6:11pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
armadeo: If you, or les say your cousin (God forbid) has a kidney or liver transplant to do, will you allow your colleagues perform magic on him or send him abroad? |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 6:23pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
GentleMimi:my brother I don't like arguing with someone who DELIBERATELY decides to MISS MY POINT... ![]() look as a doctor, I don't rely on the lab work for my diagnoses. I already have one before I send for CONFIRMATORY lab work. if I am in a rural area with out a lab or radiological center,I can go ahead and treat my patients based on clinical findings. if you can't understand this then I can't help you.i dont have the time to draw pictures for you.no need going round and round in circles. 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 6:29pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Samgreguc: ![]() ![]() ![]() if I don't see the bilirubin levels expected in post hepatic jaundice, then I will query your result. dont make comments when you shouldn't. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 6:30pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:we have been doing successful kidney transplants in this country.should I furnish links?? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by adeoladrg(m): 7:02pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
phantom: we have been doing successful kidney transplants in this country.should I furnish links?? Answer the question! Would you have him transplant his organ in Nigeria or go abroad! Yes? No? |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 7:11pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg:why would I fly him out when it can be done here. of course I would do it here |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by aletheia(m): 7:16pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Garki Hospital Completes Three Kidney Transplants Garki Hospital Performs First Heart Surgery Says it’s proof PPP is working There are many more Nigerian hospitals across the country doing similar surgeries. The NMA strike will enter its second phase: Private Hospitals will join in. It is a necessary struggle incumbent on the medical profession in keeping with the oaths that all doctors swore to: I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by nobilis: 7:16pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Even in those places that have all-inclusive systems, they also make mistakes. You guys always point to the US. Was it not in the US that our own dear Prof Dora Akunyili was misdiagnosed? A misdiagnosis that led to her death eventually. People should call a spade by its name. Everytime a patient dies, the doctor is blamed. People forget that there are many many factors that come into play in a patient's death. I have seen where doctors practically beg patients to take their drugs and patients refuse; resorting to whatever it is that they want to do. Then months or years later, they return to the doctor and expect d doctor to perform a miracle. I have seen where doctors advise patients on what to avoid and eschew. But they totally ignore such advice and when d consequences set in, doctors are expected to do miracles. I have witnessed where a woman was on admission in a teaching hospital and she was on medications. And hidden under her bed was a bottle of herbal medications which she takes regularly at the expense of d drugs prescribed by the doctor. Patients will present at consulting rooms with symptoms they have been noticing for years and have absolutely done nothing about. You will ask a patient when he first started noticing a symptom and he will tell u 6 months, or 1 year or 3 years. And u will ask d person what he has been doing about it and he will tell u that he has been managing. Then when d illness has become very serious and there is little d doctor can do, d doctor is expected to perform a miracle and bring a dead man back to life. Alas, the average Nigerian never visits a hospital until it is obvious to him that he can no longer "manage" his illness. At that point, d doctor is looked up to to perform a miracle. Stop blaming doctors for patients' deaths. There are so many factors that determine if a patient will die. Doctors' mistake is just a small fraction of it. Mistake in nursing care is also part of it. Because I know of a particular ward in a certain popular teaching hospital in the southeast where the matrons and d nurses are lackadaisical about their jobs. Infact, when patients are "mistakenly" admitted into that ward, it takes d grace of God and d diligence of d doctor (in practically forcing these nurses to do their job) to keep this patient alive. People die everyday in dat particular ward because of d negligence of d nurses. Mistakes in lab reports also contribute. I know of a certain teaching hospital in the south east where d lab scientists have a routine for reporting lab results. If they decide that in a particular week, they will report neutrophilia for all CBC tests, u will see dat all d lab tests coming out of d lab dat week will be neutrophilia. If they decide it will be eosinophilia, all the lab results coming out of d lab dat week will be eosinophilia.. So stop blaming d doctor unnecessarily for patients' death because 40% of the time patients cause their death by non-adherence to sound medical advice 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Morotov1(m): 7:20pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
phantom:Intrahepatic Cholestasis of pregnancy presents with icterus and intense pruritus. So there is need for the bilirubin level both conjugated and unconjugated, serum alanine and aspartate , and all the works. Don't start doing trial and error because you think you can do it alone or to assert your authority. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 7:21pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
adeoladrg: Its not magic. Yes yes and yes. Wetin dey for sokoto dey for shokoto. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by dakotchic(f): 8:11pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Yikes! All these wannabes, please what is prognosis? I think the problem is most of these Johesuites don't even understand the terms they are using, if they did then there won't be any fight really. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 8:26pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Truly speaking, u are an educated man, but an educated illiterate. Olofo! sakaguchi: The issue of a consultant has being overflogged isn't it? What will a consultant nurse do? What the hell is a consultant pharmacist? The doctors who are consultants specialise in a particular field of medicine and specialize holistically in it. Consultant urologist, consultant cardiologist, consultant nephrologist is more like it. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 8:53pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Morotov1: Intrahepatic Cholestasis of pregnancy presents with icterus and intense pruritus. So there is need for the bilirubin level both conjugated and unconjugated, serum alanine and aspartate , and all the works. ![]() ![]() oga the person in my illustration is male. secondly it presents mainly with pruritis.jaundice is uncommon. of course there is a need for all those tests you mentioned. but my point is that if a pregnant lady presents to me with intense itching and NO jaundice after 25wks,then ICP is my likely diagnosis which is made first ,THEN I SEND HER FOR LABWORK TO CONFIRM MY DIAGNOSIS. so even before lab work,I have a working diagnosis. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 9:15pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Royver:That's incredible. That machine has made great impact in management of TB patients. As for our government, 'am tired of them. Private companies have taken over every aspect of health care. Pathcare laboratory has built their outlet near almost every big Government hospital. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 9:44pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Samgreguc: Do doctors know its fake isnt it pharmacist job to make original yall busy embezzling money 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by vinotemia: 9:57pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
All I can say is get ready for a longer strike than that of ASUU...yeye de smell...
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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by vinotemia: 10:05pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
Blame your government, not your doctors. In civilzed countries, it's the government that owes you good health. 1 Like
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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 10:59pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
@ phantom,my sister.. Is your explanation so bogus that even you cannot make yourself understood? You sound like a quack in the process of trying to come across as an ''independent'' worker. Oh you do obtain diagnosis by physical examination only? Interesting. Or u are subjected to mild cases only,while the top guns handle more challanging cases. What the hell has this discussion got to do with rural hspt? We are talking of an average hospital,dude. Even if u find urself in a rural area,certain cases will require u to refer ur patient to the city for proper investigations. Rural hospitals have limits,so stop giving me lousy and lame examples. You are the one running round in circles in an attempt to seem effective. Prior to sending ur patient out for investigations,what you have made is simply a guess work. If u get called up tomorrow,can u defend your guess work boldly? It is peeps like u that are giving ur fellow doctors a bad name. A doc thinks he he can diagnose based on symptoms and interrogation only. Lol. The Ebola virus has quite similar symptoms to acute malaria. I guess u'll give ur patient antimalaria to deal with such a case,right? Loool! Quackery village dokinto. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by ZeemanO3: 11:02pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
phantom: they want to earn specialist allowance WITHOUT the responsibility that comes with it.....When you can't argue with facts of course you resort to name calling and emotional outburst. That's johesu for you. Joint haters union. |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 11:19pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
malbruno: my dear, u have Said it all, just an addition d consultants are meant to specialize in a particular area of study like consultant gyenocologist, consultant urologist etc. Their role differ, so it will be for Consultant chem pathologist, consultant haematologist consultant pharmacist when they have got the requisit qualification. How is it affecting other consultants who shld face their own specialty. what kind egocentric set of human beingsCHEMICAL PATHOLOGISTS and HAEMATOLOGISTS are MEDICAL DOCTORS not LAB SCIENTISTS |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 11:26pm On Jul 15, 2014 |
@Op you clearly are one of US. Good write up, conqour with most of your points but I differ as follows; NON DOCTOR CONSULTANT NMA should not be against this, allow them to become CONSULTANTS but each one of them MUST have JOB DESCRICTION so that a NURSE CONSULTANT can not delay or stop a medical doctor's line of management even if he is a HOUSE OFFICER, she can only advice where necessary. Same should apply to other professionals. NMA should ensure that their regulatory bodies come up with criteria that is internationally acceptable before such appointments can be effected, advanced academic qualifications and new skills rather than years of service should be the yard stick. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 12:12am On Jul 16, 2014 |
GentleMimi: @ phantom,my sister..I give up. trying to make you see my point is akin to fetching water with a basket. best regards. 1 Like |
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