As bodies from Thursday's air disaster reached a facility Tuesday in Kharkiv, Ukraine, the Ukrainian government ratcheted up its accusations against Moscow, saying a Russian officer shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
Vitaly Nayda, Ukraine's director of informational security, made the accusation in an interview with CNN. The person was "absolutely" a Russian, he said. "A Russian-trained, well-equipped, well-educated officer ... pushed that button deliberately."
Ukrainian intelligence backs up the assertion, Nayda said.
Moscow has denied claims that it pulled the trigger. And Russian Army Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov suggested a Ukrainian jet fighter may have shot the plane down.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko rejected that in an exclusive interview with CNN, saying that all Ukrainian aircraft were on the ground at the time.
Nayda, speaking to CNN on Tuesday, referred to audio recordings captured by Ukrainian intelligence. "We taped conversations" between a Russian officer and his office in Moscow, Nayda said. "We know for sure that several minutes before the missile was launched, there was a report" to a Russian officer that the plane was coming, Nayda said.
"They knew the plane was coming with constant speed, in constant direction," and should have known it was not a fighter jet but "a big civilian plane," he said.
That recording is not among those that have been released.
Vitaly Churkin, Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, was asked Monday about different intercepted recordings, purportedly of pro-Russian rebels talking about shooting down a plane. Churkin suggested that if they did, it was an accident.
"According to them, the people from the east were saying that they shot down a military jet," he said. "If they think they shot down a military jet, it was confusion. If it was confusion, it was not an act of terrorism

why the bloodshed?

Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

shymexx: Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

Please I need a link to the Russian video. Having problem downloading from Rt. Any youtube link?

I still believe Russia didn't shoot down that plane. Putin's Russia is too smart to commit that sort of blunder.

Someone Somewhere is trying so hard to whip up emotions again Putin and Russia.

shymexx: Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

I couldn't agree more.

The west is becoming so desperate

seanet01: Please I need a link to the Russian video. Having problem downloading from Rt. Any youtube link?

This is the full youtube video of the presentation:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs




It's America's turn to provide the great citizens of the world its own images since pentagon said it has proofs.

Let me drop excerpts from the Op-ed by Robert Parry, an American investigative journalist, who used to work for Associated Press - and the guy who broke the story of the Iran Contra. Top man - and a Pulitzer Prize nominee:

What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/

shymexx: Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

what a dullar.d,the plane enter ukrain airspace from west to east,it was shotdown in the rebel held territory and here are you talking like a primary school pupil,ukrain president and the defence ministry said none of their fighter jet was in the air.
And what do you have to said about the tree planes that were shot down b4 the malaysian jet?
What do you have to say about the conversation between the missile operator and the rebel comander b4 and after the plane was shot down?
Waite for the outcome of the investigation.

Toktee: what a dullar.d,the plane enter ukrain airspace from west to east,it was shotdown in the rebel held territory and here are you talking like a primary school pupil,ukrain president and the defence ministry said none of their fighter jet was in the air.
And what do you have to said about the tree planes that were shot down b4 the malaysian jet?
What do you have to say about the conversation between the missile operator and the rebel comander b4 and after the plane was shot down?
Waite for the outcome of the investigation.

Are you in primary 5 or 6? No insult pls just being curious.

Toktee: what a dullar.d,the plane enter ukrain airspace from west to east,it was shotdown in the rebel held territory and here are you talking like a primary school pupil,ukrain president and the defence ministry said none of their fighter jet was in the air.
And what do you have to said about the tree planes that were shot down b4 the malaysian jet?
What do you have to say about the conversation between the missile operator and the rebel comander b4 and after the plane was shot down?
Waite for the outcome of the investigation.

I think you are the real dullard. Isn't it possible for America to shot down Iranian airliner in Iranian space? Mumu

shymexx: Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

Lol after the WW2 lost, they will be the last to engage in any case like this

shymexx:

This is the full youtube video of the presentation:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs




It's America's turn to provide the great citizens of the world its own images since pentagon said it has proofs.

Thanks for the link

its laughable how the yanks wanna rope Russia in this bullshit. some military expert on CNN, even was surprise the alleged recordings were too clear to be truth. pass me another lie e joor.

oldenglish: Are you in primary 5 or 6? No insult pls just being curious.

baseles question,do you smoked dried weed again?

Toktee: what a dullar.d,the plane enter ukrain airspace from west to east,it was shotdown in the rebel held territory and here are you talking like a primary school pupil,ukrain president and the defence ministry said none of their fighter jet was in the air.
And what do you have to said about the tree planes that were shot down b4 the malaysian jet?
What do you have to say about the conversation between the missile operator and the rebel comander b4 and after the plane was shot down?
Waite for the outcome of the investigation.

what is this bushman saying.? Please go and take your medicine joor.

shymexx:

This is the full youtube video of the presentation:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bNPInuSqfs




It's America's turn to provide the great citizens of the world its own images since pentagon said it has proofs.

The Russians footage is inconsistent .
The general is saying Ukraine Anti- aircraft missile and fighter jet.
Which of those bring down the plane.

shymexx: Laughable.

When are these nazi clowns in Kiev going to stop peddling useless tripe through their western media mouthpiece, with CNN at the top of the totem pole? It's clearer now the Ukraine Junta in Kiev shot down the airliner, for reasons known to them. And all the "proofs" they've put forward, which Washington has been spouting everywhere, including Obama, are completely bogus - and independent analysts have confirmed them to be doctored.

The Russian airforce commander did a 29 mins press conference yesterday, with radar videos and satellite pictures about the two Ukrainian SU-25s shadowing the airliner before it was brought down - and the movement of the Ukrainian BUK missile systems.

The onus is now on America to provide its own AWACS and satellite images of what happened. American satellite has been shadowing Ukraine for months now. And the Russian airforce head also asserted that an American plane was in the Ukrainian skies monitoring events before the airliner was shot down. The yanks need to release those images - and stop peddling doctored social media junk propaganda as the basis of their argument. It just makes them clueless and disingenuous to discerning minds. America, Russia has called you out yesterday with facts - time to counter that with facts.

Putin stays making these folks look utterly stupid. Anyway, I doff my hat to Angela Merkel and German intelligence - they're the only sane minds in the West at the moment.

Updates:

Desperate, desperate West

A few minutes ago on CNN Breaking News, the US State Department (probably taking a cue from their Russian counterparts) made a truly atrocious and pitiful press briefing in which "new evidence" with regards to MH17 was presented ONLY that as expected they repeated pretty much what they have been saying all along: that the separatists most likely fired the SA-11 (Buk) missile, blah, blah, blah. The only difference this time around in the accusations from the US authorities (perhaps due to they realizing their narrative is falling apart at the seams) is that they are yet to determine if the Russians themselves had any direct involvement in the alleged attack. This is a remarkable change of tune consisdering what they have already accussed Russia of: transporting the missile batteries back to Russia, consfisticating the black boxes, hindering the investigators on site and so much other crap!

The only other item of note that was presented was satellite images of these Russian training camps right over the border in Rostov, Russia. Like duh! If these camps truly do exist (and that is if they are not actually legitimate Russain military installations), of course it's known to everyone one that the Moscow has supported the separatists from day one. That was a open secret. Duh! You can see how the US authorities have tried to play a fast one and insult our intelligence by presenting evidence of support from Russia for the rebels as "new evidence" that the separatists lauched a Buk missisle..... Just how stu.p.id do they think people are?? Really? Just how stu.p.id? Lol!

Mind you, with reagrds to a Buk missile being used by the separatist, till today, no satellige images has been presented. No radar tracks as well. Nothing! Zilch! Nada! Those "unconfrirmed", "unverified" YouTube videos and audio recodrdings which the West is pinning its hopes on have been discredited!
The Ukranian authorities also are yet to answer the questions posed by their Russian counterparts.

emmatok:

The Russians footage is inconsistent .
The general is saying Ukraine Anti- aircraft missile and fighter jet.
Which of those bring down the plane.

How about the US intelligence's news conference about an hour ago, where it was asserted that there's no Russian link in the mishap? Obama and the white house look silly now, init?

Anyway, tell the yanks to release images, and stop trying to back-track slowly from the hysteria they created in the media, by finger-pointing, with no proof whatsoever.

At least, the Russians have released the first phase of what they've got, and they promised to release more.

NairaMinted:

Updates:

Desperate, desperate West

A few minutes ago on CNN Breaking News, the US State Department (probably taking a cue from their Russian counterparts) made a truly atrocious and pitiful press briefing in which "new evidence" with regards to MH17 was presented ONLY that as expected they repeated pretty much what they have been saying all along: that the separatists most likely fired the SA-11 (Buk) missile, blah, blah, blah. The only difference this time around in the accusations from the US authorities (perhaps due to they realizing their narrative is falling apart at the seams) is that they are yet to determine if the Russians themselves had any direct involvement in the alleged attack. This is a remarkable change of tune consisdering what they have already accussed Russia of: transporting the missile batteries back to Russia, consfisticating the black boxes, hindering the investigators on site and so much other crap!

The only other item of note that was presented was satellite images of these Russian training camps right over the border in Rostov, Russia. Like duh! If these camps truly do exist (and that is if they are not actually legitimate Russain military installations), of course it's known to everyone one that the Moscow has supported the separatists from day one. That was a open secret. Duh! You can see how the US authorities have tried to play a fast one and insult our intelligence buy presenting evidence of support from Russia for the rebels as "new evidence" that the separatists lauched a Buk missisle..... Just how stupid do they think people are?? Really? Just how stupid? Lol!

Mind you, with reagrds to a Buk missile being used by the separatist, till today, no satellige images has been presented. No radar tracks as well. Nothing! Zilch! Nada!
The Ukranian authorities also are yet to answer the questions posed by their Russian counterparts.

They're backtracking!

shymexx:

They're backtracking!

Remember the same frenzied reaction and demonizing of Asasd post that chemical attack in Ghouta August last year? The same "We have got evidence", "We have recordings of Syrian commanders discussing the attack", blah, blah, blah........Till today the US has failed to provide this evidence and what is the verdict today? One of the most prestigious American institutions released a report pointing their fingers - following a proper investogation o! - in the direction of the jihadists.. sorry erm ISIS.....sorry I meant the rebels......


Summary is this: some people so badly want a war to cover their tracks hence the rush to war based on lousy, weak, unverified, unsubstantiated qnd completely fabricated "evidence"

shymexx:

They're backtracking!

Now CNN should have eggs on their faces

And here is a video of US State Department's spokeperson Marie Harf conference discussing its "comon sense", "Social media", "unverified", "unconfirmed" evidence

It is now very obvious that the US authorities - like in the Ghouta chemical attack - have no evidence whatsoever to present...Watch the gringe inducing video here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQRvINebeok

Missy89:

Now CNN should have eggs on their faces

The AP is now carrying a report that US officials admit they don't know the things so confidently assumed by those demanding action.

"But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch. They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia. . . . In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100 percent sure of a nationality," one official said, adding at another point, "There is not going to be a Perry Mason moment here."

"White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said the U.S. was still working to determine whether the missile launch had a "direct link" to Russia"

so much accusation and counter accusation from everyone here without link to a single mainstream media.



I wonder where you all get your information from.

obayaya: I still believe Russia didn't shoot down that plane. Putin's Russia is too smart to commit that sort of blunder.

Someone Somewhere is trying so hard to whip up emotions again Putin and Russia.

Putin's Russia is too smart to commit that kind of blunder? Remember this is a war zone and the plane flew over a war zone so anything could have happened.

publicenemy: so much accusation and counter accusation from everyone here without link to a single mainstream media.



I wonder where you all get your information from.

This one is out of touch with current affairs, so he now expects people to feed him instead of buying a cable reciever

ModoetForma:

Putin's Russia is too smart to commit that kind of blunder? Remember this is a war zone and the plane flew over a war zone so anything could have happened.

Anything but Russia getting directly involved.
Not to talk of taking down a civilian Airliner.

There are funny excuses from Russia to these whole saga.

1.Russia officials claiming the passengers were already dead. They claimed the passengers were corpses.
2. That a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down the plane.
3. More surprising, that Putin's plane was actually the target and MH17 was as a result misidentification. The intended target was Vladimir Putin as both plane were similar in structure and design.

spikesC:

This one is out of touch with current affairs, so he now expects people to feed him instead of buying a cable reciever

A cable reciever indeed.

Maybe you should view my profile and check my posts.

When i post anything new i add link.

You are so dumb you forgot that wth just a couple of kilobytes i could acces all i need online,lets not talk about the cheap go T.V and its subscriptions. Fool.

publicenemy:

A cable reciever indeed.

Maybe you should view my profile and check my posts.

When i post anything new i add link.

You are so dumb you forgot that wth just a couple of kilobytes i could acces all i need online,lets not talk about the cheap go T.V and its subscriptions. Fool.

wow, so you know this but still want to be fed.
You want a link to a Tv news? how interesting

You can keep the "Fool" adjective to yourself

obayaya:

Anything but Russia getting directly involved.
Not to talk of taking down a civilian Airliner.

The Obama administration should have known this. No super power would ever get directly involved in such conflicts.

There only point left is that russia supported the seperatist, as if that was news. And as if USA is not a known rebel supporter