[quote author=Elantracey]The earlier you stop
Deception of the highest Order

Why would something perfectly natural between two consenting adults even be wrong.
There is ebola and hiv and isis and this is what the worry of a God is. Smh.

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i got tired of the long article cos i know he is trying to justify himself you better stop it

i got tired of the long article cos i know he is trying to justify himself.you better stop it

booking space things

@ Davidolives.

If you dread reading. You will never learn. You will only stick to what you were told. It is long but worth it.

i am not trying to justify what is just. It will only be a meaningless exercise. Read the thread from top again and give us an argument to support your stance. Please convince me.

newken: @ Davidolives.

If you dread reading. You will never learn. You will only stick to what you were told. It is long but worth it.

i am not trying to justify what is just. It will only be a meaningless exercise. Read the thread from top again and give us an argument to support your stance. Please convince me.

some things are better not argued. if u stay without sex before getting married will u die.

Davidolives: some things are better not argued. if u stay without sex before getting married will u die.

You talk like a religious fanatic who dreads questioning of his faith. The bible wants us to prove everything.
And if the unmarried stays without sex. Ofcourse he won't die neither will he die or go to hell if he decides to have sex.
Is that clear enough and tolerable for you?

Just passing through...plus I really do not see d need for all dis argument..when it comes to God and His word...I think u people should be very careful..so u won't make mistakes committing a sin when trying to prove a point...The Bible has all answers to all questions....give scriptures if need be..buh d argument is not needed...shalom...

Dis is serious,d BiBLE is complete. End time.......
Sin is being modernise 2 suit self .
END TIME.

Someone wish the word "Fornication" not to be in the bible. Well, that word won't be removed from the bible and the meaning of that word is clearly stated inside a dictionary.

RikoduoSennin: Someone wish the word "Fornication" not to be in the bible. Well, that word won't be removed from the bible and the meaning of that word is clearly stated inside a dictionary.

You say a word is in the bible. Don't you need to find the meaning from the same bible. Do you know how meaning of words change frequently in the dictionary. E.g the word "presently" use to mean "soon" i.e the future in maiden English. Now it means at the moment.

Here is the meaning of fornication according to the dictionary : : consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other.

So was Jesus teaching wrong? Do you want to accuse Jesus of ignorance when he outlawed divorce except for the reason of fornication. Can the married commit fornication if fornication means sex between unmarried....

Now you have to choose between Jesus and your dictionary. Who is right?

In the New Testament, "fornication" comes from the Greek word porneia, which includes adultery and incest. Porneia comes from another Greek word that also includes indulging in any kind of unlawful lust, which would include homosexuality. The use of the word in the gospels and the epistles is always in reference to sexual sin, whereas "fornication" in the book of Revelation always refers to idolatry. The Lord Jesus condemns two of the churches of Asia Minor for dabbling in the fornication of idolatry (Revelation 2:14, 20), and He also refers to the “great harlot” of the end times, which is the idolatrous false religion “with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk..

Is the dictionary still right

newken:

You say a word is in the bible. Don't you need to find the meaning from the same bible.

The original manuscript was not written in English, but everything was translated to English. The bible is not an authority in English language as regards word's definition. A Dictionary is, please research how bible translation is done.

newken:
Here is the meaning of fornication according to the dictionary : : consensual sexual intercourse between TWO persons NOT MARRIED to EACH OTHER.

Good! So in other words, Fornication includes:

1) An Unmarried Man and an Unmarried Woman
2) A Married Man and an Unmarried Woman (Since Both are "not married to each other" and vice versa.
3) A married Man and a Married Woman provided they are "not married to each other".

As a logical man, please ponder over the above, check if the definition of "fornication" violates any of the item listed above.

Fornication is a general term that covers various sexual sins, Adultery is specific to cheating. Sexual immoralities, Uncleaness and loose conduct are all sins.

2 Cor 12:21, Gal 5:19 and Jude 4 (KJV) state "Lasciviousness" as a sin, the dictionary defines Lascivious as "feeling or showing sexual desire". If such is a "sin", how then can one carry out premarital sex without feeling or showing sexual desire?

newken:
So was Jesus teaching wrong? Do you want to accuse Jesus of ignorance when he outlawed divorce except for the reason of fornication. Can the married commit fornication if fornication means sex between unmarried....

Let me complete it for you, fornication mean sex between persons not married to each other (not sex between unmarried persons ONLY). Check well. Jesus was not ignorant, he simply stated a truth.

newken:
Is the dictionary still right

YES!!! And so is the Bible!!!

@Nobody (original author?) have you lost your faith? In other posts it appears that you no longer follow the God of the Bible. I think you have thought about this subject critically and I do think some slanderously accuse you of being a heretic without Biblical basis. In regards to this subject I think you have made some very valid points. I don't know that I agree with you but I will say it's got me to thinking. Respectfully, I hope you respond. Thanks.

Lady Nobody. U don't believe in God, so why bother with all this? In the other thread, u were crying calling ur mother a prostitude who never was married to ur father but had u and ur siblings. Now is still slutting about. Why r u now saying its not wrong? Enjoy.

newken

The Bible does not forbid premarital sex. There is no passage of the Bible that references premarital sex as a sin against God. The association between sin and premarital sex is a new Christian idea. The only possible reference to premarital sex being a sin in the Bible is in the New Testament. This premise although, is generally dismissed by theologians because the Greek word pornei, or sexual immorality is commonly incorrectly translated into the English word fornication.

The hebrew word for fornication or harlotry is "zanah". And it is clear from scripture that a married or unmarried person can be a harlot or commit harlotry (fornication).

Genesis 34v1-4 -And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bear unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.

v2. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

v3. And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.

v4. And Shechem spake unto his Father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.

v7. And the sons of Jacob came out of the field when they heard it: and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought folly in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not be done.

v31. And they said, Should he deal with our sister AS WITH AN HARLOT?

You see this? Both Shechem and Dinah were unmarried; yet sexual intercourse between them was still considered harlotry. The fact that Shechem loved Dinah with all his heart and was even ready to marry her didn't change anything. It was still termed harlotry, and that he defiled her.

OP might argue that it was termed defilement and harlotry because it probably wasn't consentual. But no. A harlot is not someone you rape or have non-consentual sex with; but someone you're not married to that that you had sex with.

So if Shechem treated Dinah like a harlot, it is not on the argument of consent. It is because he was not married to her. So harlotry or fornication is sex with someone you're not married to; even if both of you were unmarried.

The only time sex is not a defilement is when it is between two people married to each other. Adam didn't defile Eve -he knew her, because they were both married. But Shechem defiled Dinah because they were not married.

So the OP is wrong that only married people can commit fornication or adultery; or that sex between two unmarried people is not fornication or sin. That is very wrong.

Fornication means sex between two people who are not married to eachother, whether they are married or not. While adultery is when a married person has sex with someone other than their spouse.

Let me break it down:

1. If a married person has sex with a married person that is not their spouse, both of them committed adultery.

2. If a married person has sex with an unmarried person; the married person commits adultery, while the unmarried person commits fornication.

3. If an unmarried person has sex with an unmarried person; both of them committed fornication.

I hope the OP still gets to see this because the account is deactivated.

Shalom.

While adultery is when a married person has sex with someone other than their spouse.

I really enjoyed reading the rest of your post the only thing you might consider is that the western way of thinking "what is good for the goose is good for the gander" is not really Biblical at all. In regards to your latter comment here, scripturally speaking, it should read "while adultery is when a married WOMAN has sex with someone other than their spouse." You remember it was not a sin for a man to marry more than one woman. See (https://www.righteouswarriors.com/controversial/index.html) for more on our study regarding these controversial truths.

As far as my previous comment goes as well as the comment from Anas09, I think you have cleared up the problem. When the nairaland forums see that a user no longer exists or are anonymous they simply label them as "Nobody" which means that other posters should not be correlated to this author who, from all we know, is still very well founded in their faith.

Remember, just because we see certain issues differently in scripture does not give us merit to call another a heretic unless it directly conflicts with the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ. Does it mean they are wrong or are teaching others wrong? Yes but God is the judge and we will all give accounts before his Son Yeshuah aka Jesus Christ. Let us treat one another respectfully and teach one another with open hearts and in love so that we may not fall into temptation to do evil and sin against our creator and God.

Blessings.

Porneia is a Greek word that refers to sexual inter course .Pornography is gotten from porneia graphein.Now are you saying pornography is not a sin.

Wonders. Fornication is not a sin but 24thousand Israelites died in the wilderness for it. And this character is going on and on.
We shd braze oursleves for a lot is coming up. Gay now have the right to marry. Just today, the PEDOPHILES have come up calling for their rights too. Soon rapists will come up. What abt those who are in love with their animals and want to marry them? So long as, its consentual, its right. Every sin shall be judged by God.

Op I want to ask, is pornography a sin?.Pornography is derived from Greek porneia and graphein meaning depiction or illustration of sexual immorality. The pornstars having sex there that are not married what they are doing is it sin or not?

people are just posting and answering rubbish on this site.u are misleading people

Todays Modern Day Premarital Sex is NOT a Sin.

They have the WRONG definition for Fornication and/or Sexual Immorality in the Bible.

Fornication or Sexual Immorality is NOT modern day Premarital Sex.

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Today if you ask if, “Is modern day Premarital Sex a sin?” They will quota verses that have “fornication” or Sexual Immorality in them. This is wrong. They have the wrong definition for fornication. They are using the wrong “tradition of men” false definition wrongly pass down over time.

Man made dictionaries only reflex how most people define a word. Word definition change over time depending how they are used or misused. Like the word “gay” would have meant something totally different 50 years ago then what it means today.

They have the wrong definition for the word, “fornication”.

If you take the time and study the whole Bible in correct context, and understand the culture and event that were happening during the Bible days, then you would find the correct definition of fornication and correct the false man made, “Tradition of Men” wrong definition.

The modern Church today, have been taught the wrong sexual term definition, coming up with the wrong conclusions about sexual freedom that God gave all creation at creation. They violation major rule of Hermeneutics study of sex in the Bible.

The WRONG definition for “fornication”, = “It is Single Sex, Sex before the “one man, one female”marriage of today.



The correct definition ,(by letting the Bible define the word itself in correct Bible context, of Bible times, correct Bible culture, correct Bible events, and correct Bible History) should be:

“By misusing your God given sexual freedom, give to all creation, at creation, including humans, to join in the worship of one of the Baal’s Pagan Fertility god’s sex orgy in worship to this pagan fertility god for creating sexual pleasure and creating sexual reproduction and in hope of getting extra blessing of good farm crops (more money, most were farmers at the time) from this pagan fertility god.“ Sometimes they would give human baby sacrifice to this pagan fertility god to get even more rewards. (Compare 1 Cor 10:8 to Nu 25:1-9 Verse are below)

This is a major violation of the first command. This makes God very angry, because Creator God created all things, and HE created Sex and sexual please, and all praise and worship should only go to the real Creator God, and NOT to any false, man made, made up, Baal pagan fertility god, who is not ever real.

Creator God, at creation gave all creation sexual freedom to be 100% public nudist, and to have great sexual enjoyment by having sexual freedom to have many sex partners over a life time with no shame and no guilt. This sexual freedom was give to plant, animal, human alike, to all creation.

God is NOT hung up over today modern day pre-martial sex.

Most all modern Premarital Sex has NO connection with any Baal’s pagan fertility god worship at all.

Modern pre-martial sex is NOT “fornication is any way and is NOT sin. It is part of the sexual freedom that God gave to all creation at creation.



Below I will prove this by many Bible verses and Bible examples in correct Bible context.

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Index Fornication Pages

Pre-Marital Sex is NOT Sin and is NOT Fornication.

“Fornication” = “Sexual Immoral” is NOT pre-marital sex



Fornication. Define the correct definition of the Bible word “fornication ” or “ sexual immoral ”. Many are wrongly told that it means “single sex before the “one man, one women” marriage, is a sin.” This is the Totally Wrong and a wrong definition. Pre-Marital Sex is clearly NOT a sin in the Bible. Many Godly men in the Bible had sex before and during and after the marriage of the “one male, one female” marriage, had sex with other women other then their “one male, one female” married spouse. I clearly explain why, and explain the correct definition and show proof.

Kalatium:
Porneia is a Greek word that refers to sexual inter course .Pornography is gotten from porneia graphein.Now are you saying pornography is not a sin.

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Fornication =NOT = “single sex”, Paul called “fornication” was only one meaning ,not ten, the joining in with the pagan fertility god worship, compare 1Cor 10:8 with Nu 25: 1-9 Nu 31:18,35.

http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Fornication_Does_NOT_have_10_different_meaning_like_they_want_to_tell_you.

Adultery is NOT sexual swingers, NOT wife swapping, NOT polygamy, Ex 21: 10-11. Ex 21:4-6 [url]http://inkaboutit4u.com/?p=Adultery_Definition_Expose_Wrong_Definition
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Sexual Freedom God gave sexual freedom to all at creation for all times Gen 1, 2 Sam 12:8, SOS 6:8

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Nudist God wants all creation to be nudist. Christians should all be nudist to reflex they are “NEW CREATION” Both Adam, Eve, Christians, are NEW CREATION IN CHRIST. Gen 1:31, Titus 1:15,

If Adam ate from “tree of (eternal) life” all humans would be nudist today per God’s desire & creation design. 2 Cor 5:17, Ro 14:20, 1Cor 10:23, Act 10:13

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Law Christians are NOT under the Mosaic laws, but under the law of Love only.Jas 2:12, Ro 7:4,Ro 13:9, Gal 5:14, 2Jn 1:6

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Masturbation is NOT a sin. Lev 15: 16-18 clearly, no sin offering required. NOT sin. NOT sin in whole Bible

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Concubine and polygamy not sin. God clearly promoted both in the Bible. Du 25:5 Nu 31,

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Incest God clearly is very pro-incest at creation and Noah Ark. Gen 1:31 Lev 18 focus was pagan worshippers, today Christians are not under law Jas 2:12, Ro 7:4,Ro 13:9, Gal 5:14, 2Jn 1:6

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Prostitution-Not a sin—Great women are Bible heroes were Prostitutes. Rahab, Jesus followers,

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Pornography Today Nude female, Bleep photos & videos is NOT sin, is not “Indecency”graphy. In the Bible, “Indecency”graphy was images and photos of pagan fertility god used in worship, of a pagan goddess. This was fornication. 1Cor 10:8 with Nu 25: 1-9 Nu 31:18,35. God wants all humans to be nude with sexual freedom

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