Ukutsgp: this is d false doctrine peddles by false prophet like u and others.

Ukutsgp: this is a lie raised to the power of thousands. dnt be deceived, those that die in their sins will perish. d wages of sin is death according to d bible.
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Romans 6:12-18 - We must not let sin reign
in our bodies.
These were baptized into Christ (v3,4),
set free from sin, and become servants of
righteousness (v18).
They are warned not to let sin reign in
their bodies nor present their members
as instruments of sin (v12,13). The result
of that would be death (v16). This must
be spiritual again, since all die
physically. The wages of sin, even for
those here addressed, is death, in
contrast to eternal life (v23).
Hebrews 6:4-8 - We must avoid falling
away.
This is addressed to those once
enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift
and the good word of God and were
partakers of the Holy Spirit (v4,5).
We are warned not to fall away (v6). If
they continue in this pattern of life
(implied), they cannot be restored. They
are crucifying Jesus afresh and putting
Him to an open shame (v6). Their
destiny is to be burned like a field of
thorns (v8).

paxonel:
the question is are we christians unclean? the answer is NO,
we have been made righteous, we have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he(God) hath made him (Jesus ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him
so we have been declared righteous
we have been made fit for the kingdom
we didn't do it for ourselves, it is Christ who did it for us
by the let me ask you, you want to depend on keeping the law abi? mention one person you know that has kept the law sucessfully, just one
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
so why are you killing yourself? why don't you just take advantage of the grace that has been made available by Jesus which is the perfect will of God for you?
i tell you if keep believing in that thing you are still holding called your righteousness you are the one holding false doctrine and you are the one going to perish in hell

paxonel:




you say those that die in their sin abi? for your information no christian is a sinner, so the issue of christians dying in their sin is totally out
it is unbelivers (non christians) that are sinners, they are the people that will die in their sin if they refuse to join christianity ( believe in Jesus )
we christians have been made righteous through Christ. please don't ridicle the effort of Jesus christ who has cleansed us
Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie (through my imperfection) unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
i don't know whether you are understanding these scriptures you are quoting.
I told you, those scriptures is only advising us not to commit sin, the issue of salvation or eternal life is out of it ,salvation is a seperate thing entirely away from the advice
OK,just point to me were it is written clearly that if a Christian commit sin he will go to hell fire
Just show me the Scripture, because this one ehh..
lol

Rich4god: SMH... So una still dey argue... Who among you then have the true spirit... Christians eh...

Ukutsgp: d guy just want to argue. d truth is very obvious here. it seems he is a babe in christ.

Rich4god: So you na adult in Christ... I like the way you guys are trying to point christians to the right way, but dont condem them for their belief by saying that they will end up in hell. Only God decide on that... Just support your arguement the best way you can and leave the rest for God...

Ukutsgp:
Once saved, always saved" is a tempting
doctrine because it is comforting.
It tells people what they would like to
hear. We would all like to think that,
even if we or our loved ones fall into sin,
they will still receive eternal life.
But it is a false doctrine because it
clearly contradicts Scriptures in nearly
every book of the Bible.
It is also a dangerous doctrine because it
leads people to think they are safe even
if they don't examine their lives, don't
study the Bible, and don't repent of sin.
Furthermore, it leads preachers to not
warn sinners that they need to repent.
I have personally known people who told
me of terrible sins they deliberately and
knowingly committed, justifying
themselves because they believed it
would not affect their salvation. I have
known teachers who justified those very
people saying that they would not have
lost their salvation even when committed
those sins.
Suppose a child is about to cross a busy
street. Shouldn't the parent warn the
child to look carefully for traffic before
they cross the street? People who
advocate "once saved, always saved" are
like a parent who not only does not warn
the child, but worse yet tells him there is
nothing to worry about because he can't
get hit, and if he does get hit, he won't
die!
Why should the child be warned?
Because there is a very real danger. And
the situation is most dangerous if the
child is not on guard. The worst thing
anyone can do to the child is to tell him
there is no danger. Yet that is exactly
what preachers do when they teach
"once saved, always saved." And this has
eternal consequences, because souls are
at stake.
Nevertheless, if the child is careful, he
can cross the street safely despite the
danger. So the best favor anyone can do
for the child is to warn him of the
danger, so he can avoid it. That is
exactly what we do when we preach the
Bible passages that warn Christians to
avoid sin. It is not that we believe
Christians have no security, but we know
people are only secure when they are
aware of the dangers, so they can be on
guard.

Ukutsgp:
Once saved, always saved" is a tempting
doctrine because it is comforting.
It tells people what they would like to
hear. We would all like to think that,
even if we or our loved ones fall into sin,
they will still receive eternal life.
But it is a false doctrine because it
clearly contradicts Scriptures in nearly
every book of the Bible.
It is also a dangerous doctrine because it
leads people to think they are safe even
if they don't examine their lives, don't
study the Bible, and don't repent of sin.
Furthermore, it leads preachers to not
warn sinners that they need to repent.
I have personally known people who told
me of terrible sins they deliberately and
knowingly committed, justifying
themselves because they believed it
would not affect their salvation. I have
known teachers who justified those very
people saying that they would not have
lost their salvation even when committed
those sins.
Suppose a child is about to cross a busy
street. Shouldn't the parent warn the
child to look carefully for traffic before
they cross the street? People who
advocate "once saved, always saved" are
like a parent who not only does not warn
the child, but worse yet tells him there is
nothing to worry about because he can't
get hit, and if he does get hit, he won't
die!
Why should the child be warned?
Because there is a very real danger. And
the situation is most dangerous if the
child is not on guard. The worst thing
anyone can do to the child is to tell him
there is no danger. Yet that is exactly
what preachers do when they teach
"once saved, always saved." And this has
eternal consequences, because souls are
at stake.
Nevertheless, if the child is careful, he
can cross the street safely despite the
danger. So the best favor anyone can do
for the child is to warn him of the
danger, so he can avoid it. That is
exactly what we do when we preach the
Bible passages that warn Christians to
avoid sin. It is not that we believe
Christians have no security, but we know
people are only secure when they are
aware of the dangers, so they can be on
guard.

Ukutsgp: if a christian commit adultery, fornication for instance that christian will be unclean. for dat person to be made clean again, he has to confess his sins and forsake them. then he will be washed with d blood of Jesus. that is what d bible teaches.

besides, grace should not be used as a cloak to sin. we must forsake sin or we perish. cos sin brings death.

Ukutsgp: @paxonel.

Romans 6:1. shall we continue in sin because of grace? d answer is no.
what if we continue?

Romans 6:12-13. shall we allow sin to reign in our mortal bodies? the answer is no.
what if we allow sin?

should we yield our bodies as instrument of sin?
the answer is no.
what if we yield our bodies?

Galatians 5:19-21. shall people who commit those thing enter heaven?
the answer is no
what if a christian commit any of them?

Ukutsgp: Numerous passages are cited which say
we have eternal life: John 10:28; 17:3;
5:24; 3:36; 6:47; 3:16; I John 5:12,13.
Some argue that, if we have it, and if it is
eternal, then we cannot lose it. If we do,
it wasn't eternal.
We have eternal life now only as a promise
or hope.
1 John 2:25 - This is the promise He has
promised us, even life eternal.
James 1:12 - The crown of life which the
Lord promised to those who love Him.
Titus 1:2; 3:7 - The hope of eternal life,
which God promised .
We receive eternal life, in the sense of a
present possession, only after earthly life is
over and then only if we endure faithfully
till life is over.
Luke 18:30 - We receive eternal life "in
the world to come."
Romans 2:5-7 - Eternal life will be given
at the judgment IF we continue patiently
in well doing. [This is the same time that
the wicked will receive eternal
punishment - Matt. 25:46. Does this
happen in this life?]
Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death
and receive the crown of life.
In this life, we "have" eternal life in the
sense of a promise or a hope based on
faith. But we actually enter eternal life
at the judgment if and only if we
continue living faithfully till life is over.
This is a conditional promise. We will be
lost if we fail to meet the conditions.

paxonel:
you know, i wonder if the the guy think he is God

paxonel:

you have not answered my question, i asked you to show me a place in the bible that says if a sinner commit sin he will go to hell fire
all these places you quoted are just advices. they are advising we christians not to commit sin, they didn't say if we comit sin we will go to hell fire
shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? (abound there means plenty, check your English dictionary )
so that place is saying, shall we continue in sin so that people will say we have plenty grace? (abundant grace ). God forbid
so it is not saying if we commit sin we will go to hell fire
Galatians 5:19-22 didn't ask any such question like what if christians commit those sins it mentioned will they go heaven? please don't change it
as a matter of fact Galatians 5:24 even says And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
so we have been crucified with Christ, sin or hell fire has no dominion again.over us , not because we are even righteous people, but simply because we believe, making us to have the righteousness of God through Christ
then 5:25 advice us that If we live in the Spirit (because we are already in the spirit, the spirit was given to us freely), let us also walk in the Spirit.(meaning let us avoid sin )
the only place in bible that has been confusing most christians to say if we commit sin we will go to hell fire is
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
now the question is are christians drunkards? the answer is No
are christians extortioners? NO
because 6:11 says And such were some of youthe people who believed among the people Paul was addressing, because some believed and some did not ) but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
so we have been cleansed, we are not drunkards by Gods perception therefore we are saved from hell fire ( Because it is God that will judge, not human a read revelation and know the criteria of Gods judgement, our names are written in that book simply because we believe, not by our works ) but by human perception we drink, we comit sin and we will suffer the consequence of our drinking and sin accordingly here on earth, our salvation will not save us,
faith without works is dead. therefore we should repent from drinking

paxonel:

my friend eternal life is already in you, you don't know your right.
there are things today christians (especially Nigeria christians have failed to understand about eternal life which is the resurrection of the dead
Do you know that you will never die? and that thing we called death is not death but a sleep, infact it is a twinkling of the eye (eye closed and open again )
please death has been defeated by Christ on the cross
1 Corinthians 15:55 ,O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
African christians don't believe in the resurrection of the death, they are like the saducees,they don't know how it works
they don't! even know that the kingdom of God is already on earth by virtue of his death and resurrection of Jesus , they don't know that we christians are the kingdom of God on earth (Jesus in his prayer before we was crucified , let thy kingdom come,which eventually came after he was crucified, started with 120 people at the day of Pentecost, grow to become what is known as christianity today world wide )
they didn't know that one o
we are just going to church for nothing, nobody is teaching us
white men who brought christianity to Africa are very wise, they practice the same christianity in their country, their lives are better
but we africans are just mumu, we are still waiting for rapture (which is not even in the bible ) because of that we abandoned our responsibility to replenish this earth (a responsibility which God has not changed his mind about which God gave when he created mankind,) and be waiting for rapture
we don't want to go to school
we don't want to think
we don't want to work
meanwhile some people out there are inventing technology and we are larking behind in Africa

Ukutsgp: my friend d wages of sin is death. simple question u cannot answer. rather u keep on blabbing. those who confessed their sins and forsake them will find mercy but those who those who commit any of those sins outlined in galatians 5:19-21, and failed to confess and forsake them will be castaway. it even say they shall not inherent the kingdom of heaven. d question u should ask yourself is, cant a christian turn or backslide and begins to steal, commit adultery and go contary to the word of GOD?

Ukutsgp: u are very ignorant. eternal is a promise which will be given to those who does the will of God to the end. those who endures to the end will be saved. ur ignorant stem from the fact that u don't read. ur doctrine is grossly illogical.

paxonel:
it's ignorant people that say things like this without quoting scriptures to support it

paxonel:
ahahahaahaah! na you won cast them away? oya cast them away now make we see
in this heaven that we are living there are bad and good people in lt
oya go cast the bad people way now, you will tell God whether na you create them
ahahaahah ahaha

Ukutsgp: i hv shown u several scriptures to that effect before. just go back and read them up. dnt be lazy.

paxonel:
ahahahh ahaha
i nor get your time again

5solas: @ O.P
What shall we say that Abraham our Father hath found?
He (Abraham) was not justified by works so that grace could be shown to be grace and the promise of eternal life sure to not only him, but all who have the same faith , believing in Christ, who was crucified for their offences and raised up for their justification (salvation ).

Ukutsgp: God told Abraham to walk before him snd be blameless. Abraham lived according to the word of God. in obedience and godly reverence.

5solas:
What was his ground(s) for salvation? Faith? Works? Or a mixture of both?

Ukutsgp: d point is, can one lost his salvation due to sin and wrong living?

Goshen360:

The answer is, no one in Christ can lost his or her salvation. If there's one such as yourself, ask yourself. ..since you came to be in Christ, have you sinned or not. If you have sinned, did you loose your salvation and try to regain it or what? Have you lived wrongly, making a wrong choice? If you have, are you unsaved trying to be save again?

Ukutsgp: d point is, can one lost his salvation due to sin and wrong living?

Goshen360:

The answer is, no one in Christ can lost his or her salvation. If there's one such as yourself, ask yourself. ..since you came to be in Christ, have you sinned or not. If you have sinned, did you loose your salvation and try to regain it or what? Have you lived wrongly, making a wrong choice? If you have, are you unsaved trying to be save again?