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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Iblawi1: 6:18pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
Covert1:Lol. Was trying to make sure we look from same angle. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:51pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
Covert1:OMG!!!! This guy!! There's nothing to look behind!!! I said d.e are quieter..they are!! I said our subs were bought for defensive purposes...they are!! So I don't know why you are debating this point when I agree with you. I said no regional force operates nuclear subs.....they don't! Lastly what if I told you d.e subs are the future?? And superpowers are considering replacing there nuclear subs with d.e subs?? Also what if I told you that a d.e sub sunk a sh1t load of nuclear subs during an exercise?? |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by DonBobes(m): 8:33pm On Jul 29, 2017 |
neighy: Our troops r der because of our defense pact with dem n Sierra Leone. If u go to any con3 on ur own to quel somthing without d support of UN monetarily u r on ur own & Nigeria did this in two con3s before UN came on board |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 11:12pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
jln115: This is the same "military researcher" who said 40-50 Km range artillery was redundant because "how can they see that far?" 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Odunayaw(m): 5:48pm On Aug 24, 2017 |
fufubear: LTGEN:Baba let everyone discuss here |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 3:13pm On Aug 25, 2017 |
The Pantsir is now officially and fully combat proven. At least 12 confirmed kills in Syria during the first six months of 2017 . These intercepted targets were American , Turkish and Israeli drones , as well as rockets, aerostats and mini-UAVs
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Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Odunayaw(m): 4:32pm On Aug 25, 2017 |
Algerian1:The ruskies want no snooping around 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Odunayaw(m): 10:50pm On Sep 10, 2017 |
ssaengine: Since you are "careful to always use the word training" that must mean you know of the training regimen of ; EKO Cobra GSG-9 GIGN Hong Kong Police SDU Italian GIS Hell even Trish ERU 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 9:16pm On Sep 11, 2017 |
Odunayaw:I think I'll answer on his behalf, i just want to clarify that I'm not claiming that the STF has the best training, but compared to the above(i have done my research) the STF has the longest, most intense training regime which includes a wider range of skills that have to be mastered to become a qualified operator.......hence the pass rate is around 2% compared to 20-25% for other units . |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Odunayaw(m): 10:47pm On Sep 11, 2017 |
jln115:Your point if I understand correctly is the average STF operator is trained longer than the others. My point has been other special units could have this same standard of training or better put, they are not starved of opportunities to train as much as the STF Anyway thanks I got to know a bit more on the STF |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:24am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Odunayaw:As I said I did a bit of digging, the STF do have one of the longest(If not thee longest) the longest training regime of any police unit, as for the bolded...the STF sees more action in a month than most units see in a year, as you know violent crime is a huge problem in SA!! So ill even go to say they are more experienced than most police units in the world!! |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 11:42am On May 09, 2018 |
Covert1:Germany fought the entire world not just one country and if they didn't invade the Soviet Union they would most likely have conquered Europe.....They literally took on the entire world and almost won thanks to thier superior Defence industry and their much more advanced weapons. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Patchesagain: 1:14pm On May 09, 2018 |
jln115: Also, doctrine. Germans had extremely advanced combined-arms doctrine. The Brits never caught up, and the Americans only caught up towards the end of the war. Soviet doctrine was terrible, but it worked for them - deep operations against an enemy who is not allowed to maneuver is absolutely lethal. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 1:27pm On May 09, 2018 |
jln115:There is no way South Africa should be above Nigeria. We have to take into account first the types of threats both Nations face and how they are structured to deal with the threats. It is not enough to count Frigates and Fighter jets and immediately come to a conclusion that one is better than the other. In the case of Algeria and Egypt, yes, they are significantly ahead. For Nigeria and South-Africa, that's not true. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 1:34pm On May 09, 2018 |
Henry240:In what way in your OPINION is Nigeria above SA? Try to keep it civil...if you can! |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 1:38pm On May 09, 2018 |
Patchesagain:Agreed but doctrine wasn't to relevant with regards to my replay to Covert1.....anyway seems to me Covert1 only likes to reply on the other thread where he can derail for all to see.......quick to shy away from an actual discussion, just proves his an out and out troll! 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Patchesagain: 2:42pm On May 09, 2018 |
Henry240: Nope. South Africa is better equipped for ALL spectrums of warfare. Simple. Furthermore, if it is threat dependant, then your entire ranking system if fvcked because Malawi has no threats, hence, their military is the best prepared! |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by fufubear: 4:49pm On May 09, 2018 |
jln115:Nah they were successful because of perfect timing and gambling huge risks. Also France was woefully ill-prepared which shocked even the Germans. Honestly the war could have lasted less than a year if only a couple things were to happen. I get your argument though don't let my nitpicks convince you otherwise. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:21pm On May 09, 2018 |
jln115:I'll have loved to dissect this topic like the old times, however because of topic apathy, I'll leave it at that. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:42pm On May 09, 2018 |
Henry240:No prob |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 6:47pm On May 09, 2018 |
fufubear:Well my response was with regards to only one piece of the puzzle..... of course there were many other aspects why Germany lost( or could've won) but since that was not relevant to the debate I was having I didn't mention it. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 1:13am On May 12, 2018 |
jln115: Just look at you caught backbiting. I don't have the time to respond to every contrary opinion which mostly are just soundbites to massage ego and national pride. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 1:32am On May 12, 2018 |
Patchesagain: Wrong except on paper and TV. The SA military has not been put to the test in modern times except for one significant peacekeeping mission in the Congo with mixed results and where they have had actual combat engagement they failed abysmally i.e Bangui in CAR—not the fault of the soldiers I must add (there are some competent elements within SA' military) but it's military leadership back home for poor planning and support a leadership dearth symptomatic of SA's military in the last decade. The ranking does not reflect actual realities. But I like that you dare to dream. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 2:44am On May 12, 2018 |
jln115: That Germany fought same time on the Western and Eastern fronts was Hitlers strategic error and moreso because of his over-confidence in Germany's industrial revolution under Nazi rule. A misguided confidence that would come back to haunt him. A good thing. Nazi Germany had the blitzkrieg doctrine in WW11 for which they had been quietly arming as Adolf Hitler had an axe to grind for the loss of WW1. In fact the Luftwaffe was so prepared in aircraft numbers and quality that they pulverized England in the early stages of the war. That speed and take no prisoner approach in the early days of the war for which no one except Germany was adequately prepared led to the quick conquer and occupation of large states like Poland in the east and France to the west and indeed much of Europe except the island country Britain cut off from the continent by sea. In essence the Nazis and Fascist Italy did conquer and occupy Europe though with underground resistance from armed opposition local groups or clandestine forces smuggled in by allied intelligence to operate behind enemy lines. Hitler had an obsession to conquer and capture Russia for not just it's natural resources which was one major goal but also distrust of what Stalin was up to and the morbid fear that Russia was just too large and endowed to ignore which could one day overrun Berlin and enslave it's people, a fear that persists till date under a different guise among major powers and which preceded the Nazis. Napoleons invasion of Russia is just one example among many. Yet above all else, the harsh winter conditions of Russia and the dexterity of it's people to fight against all odds always proved an asset against invading forces. So while a lot of the disaster and failure that characterized the siege of Leningrad and eventual withdrawal of the Deutsche Wehrmacht from the doors of Moscow culminating ultimately in the defeat of Nazi Germany in Berlin rests with Hitler mostly because he wouldn't listen to the strategic and tactical withdrawal or offensive plans of his proven Generals but insist on the fight and die order in hopeless situations by German troops reason because of his implicit faith in the wonder weapons either delivered or soon to be delivered from Germany's industrial heartland to change the tide of the war all of which though had a huge impact in dragging out the war for so long did not change the over-all dynamic of the war which was victory for the allies in the west and victory for the Russians on the eastern front thanks more to the climate and topography of the region as well as the depth and human-resource size of the defending forces. Remember these countries were on the back foot at the beginning of the war but won at the end. So a large creative human and mineral resource country without an adequate defence industry still potentially could muster all the elements of it's national power to overcome a serious existential threat to it's nationhood. That's what America did in WW11 against imperial Japan and won. Though lessons learned tells us it is cheaper to prepare for war to prevent the event of war especially preparedness for contemporary threats it still does not negate the advantage of depth and large creative human and material resources. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Patchesagain: 4:52am On May 12, 2018 |
Covert1: 1. It has been put to the test - Angola. Men who fought in that war are still serving in the SANDF. The conflict in Angola remains Africas biggest and most advanced ever fought in Africa - one of the few with regular combined arms operations, the employment of advanced air-defense networks, multi-squadron air-raids, air-to-air combat, SF deployments via submarine and brigade sized combat etc etc etc 2. The deployment in DRC congo has seen the extensive combat, with excellent results: M23 was comprehensively defeated. M23 was better equipped and led than Boko and yet, they are gone and boko is not. 3. Combat in Bangui was a tactical success with the mission meeting its objectives - and a victory on the battlefield. A testament to how good the SANDF is. Can you show me an instance of 200 of your men holding off 4000 enemy for 30+ hours, inflicting heavy casualties and still meeting mission objectives? Nope. The simple fact of the matter is that the SANDF is better equipped, better trained and has a cohesive and effective military doctrine. The same things cannot be said about your home nation - for goodness sakes, your men in the N.E are moved around the battlefield in dump-trucks! "b..but muh combat experience" Saddams military had extensive combat experience, and got wiped by the comparatively "green" NATO alliance. Why? NATO was better equipped and trained and had the superior doctrine. The fact that you even care about this topic says all that needs to be said. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 7:26am On May 12, 2018 |
Covert1:You seem to forget that SA basically wrote the book on modern day counter terrorism doctrine .... We are literally world leaders in the field. Hence Nigeria(and countries around the world) come to South Africa for ct/coin training and mercenaries 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 7:41am On May 12, 2018 |
Covert1:Such a long post just to agree that Germany would've won if they had not invaded the soviet Union. Also the soviet Union had a huge defence industry... Might not have been as advanced as Germany defence industry but it was certainly adequate. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 10:51am On May 12, 2018 |
Patchesagain: Like I said you like to dream. Nothing stops you from deluding yourself on the pages of nairaland with hyperbolic concoctions. You can't re-write history. Here is what happened: South Africa was defeated in Angola, got beaten blue-black in Bangui and fled to the airport under French protection and whilst their were some units operating with UN forces in offensive operations in the DRC the South African peacekeepers were generally under the protection of a Tanzanian force. Comparing Saddam's Iraqi Army to NATO is insanity in broad day light. Check yourself pls. About M23 and boko haram, it is laughable but insulting your characterization. The MEND the Nigerian Army dealt with in the Niger-Delta was even more deadly than M23. MEND and M23 combined comes nothing close to boko haram that operates based on an ideology to die for God. When rebels in the DRC start strapping 6 year old girls with bombs and attacking UN positions on a suicidal mission something non-existent in your DRC peacekeeping mission then you can come and talk to me. The SANDF today has nothing on the present capacity and capabilities of Nigeria's Armed Forces. As we speak we have all of your territory covered and already know the windows of every one of your leadership and strategic assets to hit with precision strikes if the need arises to deploy. But I must add I have no appetite for kid talk. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 10:52am On May 12, 2018 |
jln115: In your dreams. I know in your dreams. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Nobody: 10:59am On May 12, 2018 |
Covert1:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/14/south-africas-ageing-white-mercenaries-who-helped-turn-tide-on-boko-haram https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11596210/South-African-mercenaries-secret-war-on-Boko-Haram.html Nigeria even wanted our SFs to fight Boko Harm: https://www.nation.co.ke/news/africa/Nigeria-to-deploy-SA-special-forces-to-fight-Boko-Haram/1066-3108080-13uukfaz/index.html https://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/sa-to-join-fight-against-boko-haram-1995592 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 11:04am On May 12, 2018 |
jln115: You see why I don't come here cos instead of informed debate we have soundbites running amok. Certainly you didn't understand. The point is the Fuehrer Adolf Hitler had original designs on Russia not the West. He responded to the West because they stood against his expansionist ambition in Europe. And no Russia had no adequate defense industry at the start of Operation Barbarossa. In fact it was the allies that were supplying Russia weapons and equipment though little because of the logistics involved for delivery to hold the defensive lines in Moscow. Besides Stalin is on record at the time to have believed all the assurances of Hitler that he won't attack Russia hence was surprised at the scale of the invasion and was ill prepared. That's the history. Go and read so I don't waste valuable time. Russia won the war majorly because of the factors I've given. Military historians concur. |
Re: African Militaries Strictly Discussions Thread. by Covert1: 11:09am On May 12, 2018 |
jln115: Fake News. |
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