LoverBwoy:

evidence? hearsay

i got real life evidence of your pastors n their ushers

Pastors that create miracle babies

Pastors with airlines and MLM prohrammes

so much for modern religion

_{God save us all}

I very much agree that so many christians are dragging the name of Christ in the mud but at least they have largely kept their antics to themselves! They do not hide in caves and threaten innocent civilians with death in the name of one ridiculously blood thirsty Allah.
Yes some are accused of sleeping with their ushers but at least they are not going around raping women in the name of god!
Yes some catholic priests are accused of sleeping with boys, when they are caught they end up in jail not as heroes and martyrs!
Yes some have been caught with porn, at least they are yet to be caught on aircraft, trains, buses with bombs hidden in infants milk!

Yes God save us all but at least you can travel to christian and secular nations without fear of discrimination or death. You can travel to christian nations and be confident that even as a muslim you are guaranteed access to fair hearing. The same cannot be said of christians who travel to muslim countries, well the few who have the nerves of steel to do so!
At least you have no fear of being killed for tearing the bible, you are not afraid when christians leave church enmasse on sunday unlike the horde of barbarians who go on rampage after friday "prayers".
You have the peace of mind as a muslim that no one will force you to abide by the ten commandments!

davidylan i can only hope ABOKI IN DA NORTH IS LISTENING make they watch ooo i go take that suya blade basuka u ooo! i no de joke ooo ewu

@davidlyan
Respect for other peoples belief and religion is one thing that christianity certainly doesnt preach. Calling other peoples God blood thirsty and all. Well I classify you as a hating bigot, who shameless use words without questioning his supposed faith, hence I wouldnt say much more than that in regards.

LoverBwoy:

evidence?  hearsay

i got real life evidence of your pastors n their ushers 

Pastors that create miracle babies

Pastors with airlines and MLM prohrammes

so much for modern religion

_{God save us all}

@ loverbwouy,you propbably missed them earlier on.The pastors are condemned by all Christians when they err.
They are put in jail also if they deserve  it and we would not protest or raise hell.
No pastor is a standard for Christians but Christ and Muhammad is yours.

I am only posting them because you asked me to supply evidence and the evidence is straight out of the Hadiths you can check them out and see the oversexed Muhammad for yourself.
The apostle or the prophet here refers to Muhammad for anyone that doesn't know[/color][color=#990000].

A sample of Mo's escapades from the hadiths.
Enjoy.[/b]Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

[b]"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number. Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:

The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270:

Aisha said, "I scented Allah's Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives."
PROPHET SULAIMAN WAS GIVEN SIMILAR STRENGTH

Such sexual capability and stamina is Allah’s miracle, which is only given to prophets.

Prophet Sulaiman used to have sex with 100 women in one night.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74i:

Allah's Apostle said, "Once Solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) Tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's Cause.
EVEN GIBRAEEL VISITED APOSTLE’S BEDROOM

His lovemaking was complimented by visits of archangel Gibraeel. Once apostle even introduced Gibraeel to Ayesha. Ordinary mortals cannot see angels, needless to say she was clueless and could not see him. Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 112:

Narrated Abu Salama:

'Aisha said, "Once Allah's Apostle said (to me), 'O Aish ('Aisha)! This is Gabriel greeting you.' I said, 'Peace and Allah's Mercy and Blessings be on him, you see what I don't see' " She was addressing Allah 's Apostle.

ALL HIS OTHER WIVES WATCHED HIM MAKE LOVE

Apostle’s love making was outstanding and was watched (and admired) by all his wives,  Bukhari, Book 008, Number 3450:

Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had nine wives. They (all the wives) used to gather every night in the house of one where he had to come (and stay that night).
PEEPING TOMS ALSO WATCHED

Bukhari , Volume 9, Book 83, Number 38a:

A man peeped into one of the dwelling places of the Prophet.

Muslim, Book 025, Number 5369:

Anas b. Malik reported that a person peeped in some of the holes (in the doors) of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 38:

Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd As-Sa'idi:

A man peeped through a hole in the door of Allah's Apostle's house,

ALLAH BLESSED HIM WITH SPECIAL PRIVILEDGES FOR SEX

Allah not only gave him extraordinary capability for sexual activity but also gave him special privileges to use those capabilities.

.Q33.50 : O Prophet! In addition to all your wives, slave girls and captured women, we have made lawful to you all your first cousins and any believing woman if she gave herself to you, and if you desire her.
ALLAH BLESSED HIM WITH DIVINE INSPIRATIONS AFTER SEX

Allah blessed his lovemaking with divine inspirations afterwards.

Tabari Vl7, page :7 Ayesha said “Inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket”.
Bukhari Vol 5 Bk57 N 119

Prophet said, By Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman except Aesha.”

WOMEN OFFERED THEMSELVES TO HIM

Apostle got solicitated by hot women all the time (apparently by the publicity of his greatness in bed), 

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 24:

A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to give you myself
Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 53:

Narrated Thabit Al-Banani:

"A woman came to Allah's Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, 'O Allah's Apostle, have you any need for me ?' "Thereupon Anas's daughter said, "What a shameless lady she was! Shame! Shame!" Anas said, "She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet
Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 54:

“A woman presented herself to the Prophet.”

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 58:

Narrated Sahl bin Sad:

A woman came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have come to you to present myself to you” HIGH LIBIDO CAUSED QUICK ARROUSALS

Apostle got aroused at sight of (attractive) women.

Muslim, Book 008, Number 3240:

“Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her”.
AROUSED BY CLOSE RELATIVES

One day Apostle of Allah walked into his adopted son Zaid’s house. Zaid was not there but he caught a glimpse of his voluptuous and beautiful wife Zainab (she was apostle’s first cousin) in her birthday suit.

Tabari wrote:

"One day Muhammad went out looking for Zaid. Now there was a covering of hair cloth over the doorway, but the wind had lifted the covering so that the doorway was uncovered. Zaynab was in her chamber, undressed, and admiration for her entered the heart of the Prophet". The admiration aroused him instantly, which Zainab also noticed and mentioned it to her husband Zaid later. He rushed to his father’s house and offered Zainab to him. Muhammad worried about possible bad press and refused to accept it. But Allah will not take no for an answer and insisted on their union.

Q 33:37 We gave her (Zaid’s wife) unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons”.

AROUSED BY WIFE’S MAIDS

Once he entered his wife Hafsa’s room for some reason. Hafsa was not there but he found her lovely young maid Maria instead. He grabbed her and jumped into the bed with her for a quickie. But the quickie was not quick enough and Hafsa walked in and started yelling. To quieten her down and to please her he promised never to touch her maid again. However Allah did not approve of this sacrifice and revealed the following ayas:

Q66.1 SHAKIR: O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you (slave girl Maria); you seek to please your wife(Hafsa)

66.2 Allah has sanctioned for you to break your promise (go sleep with Hafsa’s maid)

AROUSED BY LITTLE GIRLS

Apostle was helpless because of his 30 man libido and got excited even when he saw little girls.

Ibn Ishaq: Suhayli, 2.79: In the riwaya of Yunus Ibn Ishaq recorded that the apostle saw (Ummu’l-Fadl hen she was baby crawling before him and said, ‘If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.’ (ref.10, p. 311)
Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, "If she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her." (Musnad Ahmad, Number 25636)

AROUSED BY DREAMS OF LITTLE GIRLS

Twice he dreamt of a little girl, the 6 year old pretty daughter of his best friend Abu. She was wrapped in a silk cloth. He uncovered the silk cloth to see more of her.

Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.'"
He ended up marrying the 6 year old girl of his dreams.

HIGH LIBIDO CAUSED REALISTIC DAY DREAMING

Apostle could think of having sex with his wives and it felt just like real thing, 

Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660:

Narrated Aisha:

“Allah's Apostle used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not”. DRY CLEANING

His day dreaming was so realistic that he even got wet spots on his garments . Ayesha drycleaned those spots.

Bukhari,Book 002, Number 0572:

Ayesha said “ In case I found that (semen) on the garment of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) dried up, I scraped it off with my nails”. APOSTL’S LIBIDO HAD ITS LIMITS

Apostle was turned off instantly whenever he was suspected of shadiness.

One night Ayesha got a punch instead of getting sex because she got suspicious of his strange activities and followed him at night (without his knowledge) to a cemetery, where he stood in darkness waving his hands.

Muslimi,Book 004, Number 2127:

Ayesha narrated. "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”

(the hadith is too long, one can read on usc.edu/msa)

AL SHANBA GETS KICKED OUT OF BED

When the apostle was in bed with his new young and pretty bride Al Shanba bint Amr bin Ghiffuriya, she told him that if he was a real prophet, his most beloved 2 year old son Ibrahim would not have died of sickness after he prayed day and night for him. Apostle kicked her out and divorced her without consummation of the marriage.

(She was lucky to have been just kicked out. Allah demands death for doubting Muhammad)

(Tabari, vol 9, page 136)

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Logical:

@davidlyan
Respect for other peoples belief and religion is one thing that christianity certainly doesnt preach. Calling other peoples God blood thirsty and all. Well I classify you as a hating bigot, who shameless use words without questioning his supposed faith, hence I wouldnt say much more than that in regards.

A hating bigot? I cant begin to recount the type of desecration the name of our saviour Jesus Christ has been subjected to by Muslims like you who show enormous "respect" for other peoples belief and religion!
If any religion is to be accused of intolerance towards other beliefs and religions, that singular dubious honor has to go to Islam. From the day of Mohammed till today, Islam has been characterised world wide by religious bigotry, intolerance and hate! Who are those who insist others convert to Islam at the point of death? Pls ask the recently released Fox journalist and his cameraman!
Who are those who jail and murder those who dare convert to christianity?
Who are those who refer to people with diff religious beliefs as infidels and apes?

Take a look at recent statements from al-quaeda: "It is time for the unbelievers to discard these incoherent and illogical beliefs," he said. "Isn't it the time for the Christians, Jews, Buddhists and atheists to cast off the cloak of the spiritual darkness which enshrouds them and emerge into the light of Islam?"

no Muslim should "shed tears" for Westerners killed by al-Qaida attacks.

"Instead of killing yourself for Bush , why not surrender to the truth (of Islam), escape from the unbelieving army and join the winning side. Time is running out so make the right choice before it's too late," he said.

That is enough proof indeed that terrorism has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Islam! And even more proof that ISLAM IS TOLERANT OF DISIMILAR BELIEFS!

Take a look at recent statements from al-quaeda

wow, the new official spokemen of muslims = al-qeada

LoverBwoy:

wow, the new official spokemen of muslims = al-qeada

Unfortunately they are the embodiment of what Islam truly is, a religion founded on hate, intolerance, bigotry and murder! Those who pretend to practice moderate Islam are the hypocrites!

lol u are funny

Continuing with the topic of "depravity in Islam"
Watch this clip,5 minute long of an interview with an Arab Muslim woman.

When I called Muhammad a pedophile,some people wanted to blow me up.
He lived 1400 years ago but today in 2006,Islam under sharia still sanctions pedophilic behavior.
Watch the whole clip,it would leave you angry and bewildered.
click on the link below and on the page that appears,enter 978 on the right for clip number,then search.
then click on picture.
If you are not yet revolted by Islam,after you watch this interview,you will be,if you have a heart.
http://www.memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S2

If you watched the clip above you may be wondering what mutah marriage is.[/b]Mutah marriage is an Islamic sharia concept whereby a man can marry a woman temporarily,sometimes for a mutually agreed length of time.

A single or an already married man with a wife or wives can also enter into as many mutah marriages as he pleases,sort of like having "legal other women".
and sadly in this sick way of life, the sexual pleasures can be gotten from children and infants.
watch the interview above if you doubt me.

[b]We all know allah frowns at adultery but he is aye okay with having legal temps.

Women are not accorded the same priveledges though,  in this "great religion" of equality.

I repeat,Islam is evil.

The world is evil

diyobdw:

The world is evil

Agreed, muslims make it even worse!

Today,
A gunman has opened fire on a group of foreign tourists in the Jordanian capital Amman, killing a British man.
The shooting happened at the Roman amphitheatre, a popular attraction.

Five other tourists were injured - two British women as well as tourists from New Zealand, the Netherlands and Australia. The gunman was arrested
Eyewitnesses said the attacker, said to be a Jordanian, approached the tourists shouting "God is great" in Arabic before firing at least 12 shots at the small group of tourists.

What are we now arguing about when your Moslem brothers in the Mid East are proving me right and you wrong that Islam and terrorism go together

@ Dayokanu

The usual muslim argument would be:

a. the man is a "minority" muslim extremist
b. He was fighting US and Isreali policies
c. He must have been a buddhist as there is no proof he was muslim
d. what about captain green who killed and raped the iraqi girl?
e. the world is evil
f. Islam is peaceful!

They should tell that to Osama bin ladin.

Is it not easier to blame the guy next door _hmm,

diyobdw:

Is it not easier to blame the guy next door _hmm,

by the way on a lighter note,anyone knows a good travel agent that can give me a good deal to Naija for Christmas?

erm if you were not too engrossed in religious conflict and the sectarain threads you'd have noticed the travel section 

i can get you cheap tickets from this agent but she's a muslim though, u still want it? 

@loverbwouy,you sound very immature maybe you really are.In that case grow up ,will you!!

I have never said I hated Muslims go back and produce anywhere I ever said that or else you keep your mouth shut, little one.

you dnt have to say it

you still want the price?

Is homosexuality wrong ,Yes.
Do I hate homosexuals ,no.

Is prostitution wrong, yes
Do I hate prostitutes,No.

Is hare Krishna wrong,yes
Do I hate hare Krishnans ,NO

Is adultery wrong,yes
Do I hate adulterers No

Is Islam Evil,yes.
Do I hate Muslims,NO.

I hate no one,even the death of my relatives in the hands of northern Nigerian Muslims have not made me hate muslims,it is not their fault,I however blame it on the teachings of Islam,which I still say is evil.

Got that?

Every terrorist claims to be fighting for Allah and Mo'Hammed so I guess Notorious B.I.G was right by singing
Mo Hammed , Mo Problems I mean Mo Money Mo Problems

Islam is perfect. Unfortunately, the Muslims around the world are bad, at best malaised in general as a body of a community that the Lord of the world said has been raised as the best of manking benefiting it. In another part of Qur'an, Allah stated that we are the community of moderation, enjoining the good and forbidden the bad behaviours.

Why then are people around the world do not see this great quality from our ranks. I will then echo the cries of my Nigerian brothers and sisters who are not Muslims. We must as muslims stand with them and stop, if to weak but protest loudly to those people doing evil against them , persecuting them to the point of killing them. Who among us will not be sad about this.

Isn't it said written in the Qur'an that if you take a life, it is as if you had taken the whole mankind; Isn't the story of Adam and his wife enough as a proof of this verse. Can you imagine if either one of these two fore parent had died before the birth of their first set of children. there then could have been the case where mankind would not have existed. Further, we need to reflect and take the quality of our prophet, copy his kindness towards his friends and family and even his enemies.

Allah the Almighty said that you should be patient, if you are hard, they will all get away from your side. Allah said that if it was His will He make everyone a Muslim, but He allows people to make free choice of religion, hence people could have said Allah 'had twisted my arm /force me to islam'. I hope that our muslim brothers and sisters , indeed those in authorities among us to have good characters, do good work, do not kill, do not incite others to do it. Do not do any mayhem, do not oppress none muslims or muslims anywhere.

I remember when the young journalist in Nigeria said that if our Prophet were to have been alive , he would have taken wife/wives from the pool of the Miss World contestants. All of a sudden, the muslims in Nigeria ran her out of the country and many people were killed before there returned calmness to OUR beloved nation. I was very sad. What would have been the response of our prophet if this was said to him. Do the Muslims of Nigeria that worse statements/accusations were not levelled against this noble soul in his lifetime. Please study his character and how he restrained his companions and encourage them to be patient and not to get angry.

I had asked a lot of friends in New York to locate her for me, but still unsuccessful. I will like to know what was in her heart to have thought this way, then I will endevour to open her vista to the life of this noble man (AS).

Allah said that those who do not know the prophet will abuse him. It is our responsibility to introduce Muhammad to the people of the world and specifically Nigerians, home and abroad who do not know him. But we can not do this by being of less than stellar character. We are the reflect of Muhammad, if it is truly that we follow him.

Please, those of us who are not up to par, please improve your character and help others to do the same.

I ask Allah to help us all and relief the one ones who lost families and loved one in all of these conflicts and melt away their sorrow. We in Islam should thank Allah for letting the NonMuslims call us to correction, since they expect greatness from.

@babyosisi; I read the transcript of the Qatar woman, the clip of the information that youprovided above. My Allah guide your heart and the hearts of all manjind.

However you failed to hear her say that Mutah marriage is not permitted in Islam. You have to show it to me in the qur'an and in an authentic adith.

I will show you from Qur'an and ahith otherwise.

She also criticize her people about the marriage where the husband does not live in the home.

You will see that she spoke about the culture of the arabs, not truly islamic culture. The marriage of more than one wife did not start with Islam of Muhammad (AS), rather it limited it to a maximum of 4, with specific conditions.

If Muslims would follow 1/10th of what the prophet did, then you will not be speaking ill of this religion that civilized Europe and will civilize people even greatly in the future generations.

About the energy of the prophet, I will ask every man alive, is there any that will not want to be as energetic. many a relationship and family broke up and bitterness emerged because of lack of sexual interest.
Low sexual activity can result in adultery and bitterness and divorce. I am sure that you will want a man that has enough energy for your appetite, you are a Doctor, you know more than I do.

It is permissable for cousin to marry, but it not compulsory. God did not make it compulsory and please you are the Doctor, you know that family relationship is really begins to water down at this cousin/cousin family strenth. Even the American are now doing it. In some cases, it is meant for men/women who are shy.

For some who are bold, they need people from other towns/cities/cultures/coutries and even nations and races.

I for one like exotic persons, so I do look outside my core group for mate. This might bridge that divide, us and them.

There is more than one path to reach a particular goal, as long as the goal is right.

Olabowole and all this is Mutah marriage in the Koran.

Don't try to dispute things to make you look good.
I have never made a statement without a backing.
watch it again,she asked a rhetorical question when she asked if Islam allows mutah marriage.
The outrage should be that any country in the name of Sharia should in this day and age sanction that and pedophilia.
I am yet to see that outrage from you olabowole.
Here is a woman speaking out despite the danger of being killed for exposing Islamic practices and condenming it and I am behind her 100%.
I wish I could meet her someday.



Mut'ah marriage, which is mainly practised by Shia, is described in the Koran in Surah 4 (The Women) verse 24:

Also married women (are forbidden to you in marriage), except those whom you own as slaves. Such is the decree of God. All women other than these are lawful for you, provided you court them with your wealth in modest conduct, not in fornication. Give them their dowry for the enjoyment you have had of them as a duty; but it shall be no offense for you to make any other agreement among yourselves after you have fulfilled your duty. Surely God is all-knowing and wise.

Remember she was talking about mutah marriage in Bahraini sharia laws.
It is also practised legally in Saudi,Egypt,Indonesia etc
Are yiou saying some Sharia laws in some Islamic countries even Saudi that you all reverence is not from Allah?
From the above the Koran even says you could marry a captured married woman,how sick.

The is the transcript of that interview.


Ghada Jamshir, Bahraini women’s rights activist, was interviewed on Al-Arabiya TV on December 21. This woman could be the major start of crumbling the Islamic cleric barbaric hold on Islamics.

She has campaigned against Islamic sexual abuse, particularly against children. She has exposed the Muslim evils while broadcasting that she does not fear her present state nor her future. She speaks forthrightly in public regarding her convictions, regardless of the opposition against her, especially from Islamic clerics whom she derides.

Admirers have written concerning Ghada Jamshir: "She is one feisty woman, and for some orthodox males, such forcefulness is itself a crime against ‘submission,’ so cherished in Islam. Her style is firm, aggressive, no-nonsense. This amazing woman who refuses to wear a veil, condemns lack of family planning, Sharia courts, and accuses the categorizations of ‘Islamic’ marriage as oppressive to women.

"Ms. Jamshir is not a lady to be messed with, and she has nothing but contempt and derision for her critics. If only there were more like her in the Arab world."

Gathered around her cause are Islamic women who have shared her convictions for justice and reason. In the televised exchange, she was asked what she had against Shari’a courts. (Shari’a is the Arabic word for Islamic law, also known as the Law of Allah. Therefore, a Shari’a court is one in which the Koran is the basis for deciding law).

Ghada Jamshir answered: "I have a lot against the Shari’a courts. What they have done to the Bahraini women is not a trivial matter. For years women have been going into these courts, only to be oppressed and treated unjustly. We have reached the point that we say: enough. We have reached the breaking point.

"The Shiites in Bahrain have marriages for the purpose of mut'ah (pleasure). They bring multitudes of children into the world, without thinking, who grow up in the streets.

"It's accepted for a man to marry a Filipino woman, a Bahraini woman, and a third woman from Iran, and then he takes two or three women in mut'ah marriage. How many children will he have?!"

In other words, the Koran as law court biases decisions in favor of man’s pleasure and against the rights of women and children.

Ghada Jamshir went on to urge Muslim females to find safety in a country where the Koran is not considered legitimate law, that is, on the par with the nation’s court system. She suggested that such a country, for example, could be Spain .

She went on to explain that Muslim women living in a Muslim country are imprisoned for life. They have no legal recourse that is logical and fair. They have only a male-dominated society that demeans females in favor of males.

Ghada Jamshir: "The point is for them to live and be protected in a safe country. If a woman cannot get any protection in her country, cannot get any protection from the courts, cannot get any protection in the marital home - where will she go? Where will she go?"

The interviewer asked the woman activist if she is a Sunni and therefore is fighting against mut’ah (temporary) marriages which are acceptable by religious law to the Shiites.

Ghada Jamshir: "Does the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah marriages? Does the Islamic Shari'a authorize mut'ah according to the following classification: ‘Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs.’ They have: ‘Pleasure from sexual touching. Pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts. Pleasure from a little girl.’ Do you know what ‘pleasure from a little girl’ means? It means that they derive sexual pleasure from a girl aged two, three, or four.
"Let me tell you what "Pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs" means. This is a violation of children's rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does ‘pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs’ mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months?

"Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Shari’a authorizes this?
"Forget about the mut'ah. Let's talk about misyar. What do misyar marriages mean? You said that I'm a Sunni and that's why I'm attacking the Shiites. No!"

(Misyar marriage is defined as follows: "Misyar: Marriage institution in Islam, allowing for a lesser form of relationship between man and woman than normal marriage, zawaj. Misyar is an official relationship between man and woman, but does not involve that the two live together, nor that the man is economically responsible.

"Misyar allows the man to have a normal wife in a addition to his misyar-wife(s). The misyar wife is expected to live with her parents, and her husband can visit her according to a predetermined schedule. See http://i-cias.com/e.o/misyar.htm"

Ghada Jamshir: "What does the misyar marriage mean? A man marries a woman from another town, and goes to her once a month. He ‘visits’ her. He calls her his ‘wife. This kind of marriage, this kind of behavior, diminishes the woman's honor as a human being.

"All her life, the woman is a prisoner in her own home. In the past, she would not go out to work, or to study abroad. Very few women would go to university outside Bahrain . She is at home in order to cook, sweep, and raise the children. How will she get an education? There are women whose families are extremist. They even force them to marry against their will.

"You tell me, why is female circumcision still practiced in the Arab world? Why? Because there is no education, no awareness. A few days ago, a four-year-old girl called An'am died in Sudan . Why? Because she was circumcised. Four years old, and she died of blood poisoning.

"I am convinced that I was 100% right in everything I have done.

The TV interviewer then stated to Ghada Jamshir that she has been accused of heresy.

Ghada Jamshir: "So what? Even in mosques they accuse me of heresy. So what? You think that if they accuse me of heresy, it affects me? No. Allah will decide whether I go to paradise or to hell, not them."

"These are the methods of the weak. Who gave them the right to accuse me of heresy? .What, did they go into my heart. Did they see whether I pray or not? Or maybe it's because I don't wear a veil.

The interviewer then asked Ghada Jamshir if not wearing a veil affects her.

Ghada Jamshire: "It doesn't bother me at all."

Ghada Jamshir has been put on trial, accused of defaming Sharia law and insulting an Islamic judge. She, leading her women’s rights conclave, lobbied for a personal status law which would shift jurisdiction over family and women’s affairs to civil courts.

When she went to court, she was accompanied by her women activist supporters.

The judge read out three charges against her: public defaming of Islamic judiciary through distribution of literature, insulting a judge and defaming him.

Of course Ghada Jamshir plead innocent.

"The charge of insulting a Sharia judge during a phone call is fabricated," she said.

"All these charges against me have been compiled since 2001 because of a vigil we [committee] organized two months ago, in which we demanded the resignation of the general prosecutor," she said, instigating a round of applause from the female audience in the courtroom.

Ghada Jamshir’s group collected 1700 signatures demanding legislative and judicial reforms to family courts.

"I do not care if I go to prison, because we already live in a big prison. I will never stop, nor go silent nor give up my position," she said. She sought to ban Shairia judges from dealing with marriage contracts.
"The uncodified nature of these laws gives judges the authority to render judgments according to their own reading of Islamic jurisprudence," Human Rights Watch reported.

One admirer of Ghada Jamshir asked: "Why don't more feminists support women like this, and women generally in the Islamic world? I know Jay Leno's wife, a liberal feminist, was a pretty big advocate for women in Afghanistan ; I just wish there were more like her.

"Why do we only hear about this woman from MEMRI? Why doesn't Katie Freaking Couric interview her on the Today Show?"

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a good site about Islam.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

@Babyosisi; There are many paths to reach a good destination, as long as the path chosen is a right path. I was amused reading your entry, using the USC information. One thing you did not put into consideration is that of the honesty of the muslims. There are classifications of adith. You might not have realsed that you quoted a weak adith or not. the chain of naration is very important, etc.

For you to know that an adithis sound, you have to go to the experts. This is an advanced descipline.

Greater enemies of islam, the person of the prophet and his follows, through the ages, from the infancy of Islam when the prophet (AS) was still alive and up to now and even in the future had become muslims and will in the future if it is the will of the Merciful. Allah knows your condition and I sympathised with you.

But i can see you in Hijab bringing Islam to other people and struggling in the path of the religion that will make you alive.

Isn't Islam great, a woman is saying all othis in qatar. i wish i can meet her too, someday. I will invite her to nigeria so that she can educate the people who might have forgotten that you can not restrict the freedom that god the Almighty has given to every person. This is not new in islam, but she is a renaissance woman in this present day state of Islam.









Whatever Muhammad did, if he did it, it is true. Whatever Jesus did, if he did it is also true. However both of them can not oppose each other, so this is our differences.

There is potential in you and I will hope that you realise it. It is not impossible. Islam is already in Igbo land and it will grow, God willing.

As of the surah Nisaa verse 24 that you quoted justifying Mutah, you will have to read the commentary to understand how that verse was practiced after it had came down. Please bear in mind that before Islam, people the world over used to have as many wives and others as they can afford. The number of wives was a means of status symbol. In many part of Africa and nigeria and the Yoruba tribe that i come from, you still have from all the religions this mindset. Is it okay, i do not have any opinion if it is more than what is within Islamic law. Further, the Arabs of today, are still some of the uncontrollable sexual people I know. The Nigerian/African women go to arab countries even for this. the two parties should be ashamed of themselves. In NYC, there is the notorieties of the Corner stores in poor neighborhoods, where these store owners take advantage of the poor females for other exchanges.

If you consider the condition of the persons who were so sexual and now have to restrict their appetite, then when in war the re is what is known as spoil of wars. But wars are fought under a certain condition; people stopping you from worship and war was declared per the other party or your party.

Babyosisi, you did not read the commentaries and then read the next verse, 25 and the commentaries. This was how the Young nation of Islam practised it then. Of course, is there any war in that restrictve fashion. Even the wars that the pocket of muslims are engaged in, presently, i can not see how a woman can be subjected to this condition by a true Muslim.
No one is disallowiing any muslim to pracise the religion.

By the way, i am not making myself to look good to you or any one. I do not need the approval of man for trying to speak the truth. I am sure you are not correct in your reading of that subject of verse 24. But i do hope you open your mind and when guidance come please take it.

The woman neither lives in Quatar nor Bharain,are you kidding me?
She would have been history from the knife wielders if she did.
She is smart you know

First you said Islam does not allow Mutah marriage and I give you a koran verse saying so and you tell me I need to read the commentary on the verse.
Na wa o

a part of an article .


In addition to mutah, there is another situation of temporary marriage in Islam called “Nikah Halala” which arises when a husband pronounces a triple talaq in quick succession in a fit of rage. The utterance of the triple talaq severs the matrimonial bonds between a husband and his wife and they cannot remarry ‘easily’, if they want to, without help from a third party. The third party comes through halala arrangement. According to Sharia, a divorced woman has to get married with another man after spending the iddah period after her talaq, get divorced from the new husband, wait for iddah, before she can remarry her old husband. I knew of this also before I read Darabi’s article and had filed it away in my memory together with mutah. But Darabi brought it to my attention rather stunningly by quoting a real life story.

She narrated, “Years ago, one of our distant relatives divorced his wife under rage and then was sorry and wanted to get back with her. However, the Mulla would not remarry them unless she married another man, spent a night with the new husband (allowing him to have sex with her), and then was divorced the next day. I recall what a circus this was. The ex-husband was desperate to find a man to pay to marry his ex-wife for one night and then divorce her the next day. Since his ex-wife was a very beautiful woman from a distinguished family, the man needed someone he could trust would divorce his ex-wife the next day. So finally they asked one of my father’s workers to marry the woman. The ex-husband paid this man a substantial sum of money, he slept with the ex-wife for one night, and they were divorced the next day.”

Commenting on this incident, Darabi expressed her disgust as follows: “I found this law barbaric and inhuman for several reasons, First, the woman’s feelings and rights are not considered and she is forced to be raped for one night by a total stranger. Second, the idea of a man paying another man to ravish his wife for an entire night is appalling. And finally, in the cases where the Muhallal does not divorce the woman, she is forced to live a life in misery (unless the Muhallal happens to be kinder than her ex-husband).”

This arrangement might have been suitable in the Muslim culture in Arabia some 1400 years ago; it certainly has outlived its utility now. (It is mutah time now). It is disgusting and humiliating to the women of the 21st century.

Coming back to mutah, while it is sanctioned in Shia Islam, modern Sunnis believe that mutah marriage is not Islamic. They claim that Omar al-Khattab, the second rightly-guided caliph, had forbidden it during his time. He considered it ‘haram.’ So, it existed in his time if he banned it. The justification for this type of marriage is deduced from the Quranic verse 4:24 which reads as follows:
“Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hand possesses: thus hath Allah ordained (prohibitions) against you, except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. Give them their dowry for the enjoyment you have of them as a duty: but if, after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.”
In Maulan Maudoodi’s Tafsir, there is no mention of mutah marriage. He interpreted that the verse basically relates to the women “whom your right hand possesses,” i.e. the women acquired in the war booty. In Shia Islam, mutah is practiced routinely. They (Shias) don’t recognize Omar’s authority; they believe he was usurper of the caliphate which rightly belonged to Ali.

Who says Islam is outdated and decadent? At least for the provision of temporary marriage, it’s not. Live-in partners and live-in arrangements without marriage are only recent in the western culture while it’s an old hat in Islam. One of the benefits of mutah, stated in a matter of fact manner, is to know the partners well and to find out if they are physically and psychologically suitable for each other. Mutah is better than committing fornication (zina). It is sanctified fornication in itself.