zoraro:

Mr hypocrite, how do I prove something that did not exist. I never said that Virishna existed. It is a fact that people worshiped Him though long before the birth of Jesus. Virishna and Jesus are myths created by people. That you believe one and not the other is interesting.

We know Jesus Christ existed with archeological and historical proof so shut up and carry your Virishna away. Only foolish people come here and post stuff with know knowledge.

davidylan:

Thanks Kuns for bringing this out . . . now we can tackle it for the illogical drivel it really is . . .

How can someone regarded as a fraud who produces forgeries be the one whose work gives "important insight into first-century Judaism"?

Even a 5-yr old will laugh at Bindex's low acumen.

Note that the SOLE REASON this work is disputed as a forgery is based ENTIRELY on the fact that it contains 2 references to Jesus. A fact that blows out of the water, the fraudulent argument that Christ never existed.

Note the confusion . . . one reference to Christ is a forgery, the other is genuine?  
Are these people sane at all?

Note those disputing Josephus here are RECENT writers who of course have an axe to grind with the christian movement itself.

It is NOT SURPRISING that this work is NEVER disputed as a forgery.

Go figure.

If you bother to read you will see this  as part of the wikipedia entry

The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery.  

The consensus that it was a forgery did not come from me but 17th century scholars, do you read at all? In your haste to scream liar you forgot to read and comprehend.  I gave you evidence why this particular work was said to be a forgery. By the way why are you relying on the disputed or discredited work of Josephus? I gave a detailed rebuttal to your other claims, Josephus was not an eye witness was he?

@Davilan,
You haven't told us where Jesus bones are, yet?
Do you tell your father at home to shut up?

No long story, please and stick to the point, why are you so evasive, like a snake?

@All

Contradictions of Luke

The Book of Acts was written by Luke who was never a companion of Jesus, but a Gentile.

His Inconsistencies

Holy Ghost bestowed the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 1:8, 2:4) Holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. (John 20:22)

Luke says the Disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalem and stay there. (Luke 24:49) The Disciples were commanded to go to Galilee immediately after the resurrection. (Matthew 28:10)

Luke says that Jesus first appeared in Jerusalem to the eleven disciples. (Luke 24:33, 35, 37) Matthew says it was Galilee on a mountain. (Matthew 28:16)

Luke and his friend (Paul) said the promised land never belonged to anyone. (Acts 7:5; Hebrew 11:9,13) Abraham’s seed did receive the promised land. (Genesis 13:14,15,17; 17:18).

Christ’s mission was one of peace, only. (Luke 2:13,14) Not so says Matthew. (Matthew 10:34)

A good name is a curse says Luke. (Luke 6:26) A good name is a blessing. (Ecclesiates 7:1, Proverbs 22:1)

Abraham bought land for Sepulchre. (Acts 7;16) Jacob purchased it says Joshua. (Joshua 24:32)

Importunity (persistence) in prayer is commended. (Luke 18:5,7; 11: Repetitious prayers are condemned. (Matthew 6:7,

Hate your family in order to be a disciple of Jesus. (Luke 14:26) Love one another as Jesus commanded. (1 John 3:23)

Women are in subjection to their husbands. (1 Peter 3:1) Women can prophesy. (Acts 2:18,21:9) contradicts Paul (1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:12)

bindex:

If you bother to read you will see this  as part of the wikipedia entry The consensus that it was a forgery did not come from me but 17th century scholars, do you read at all? In your haste to scream liar you forgot to read and comprehend.  I gave you evidence why this particular work was said to be a forgery. By the way why are you relying on the disputed or discredited work of Josephus? I gave a detailed rebuttal to your other claims, Josephus was not an eye witness was he?

I addressed it in my last post if you bothered to read it! Note that the SOLE REASON this work is disputed as a forgery is based ENTIRELY on the fact that it contains 2 references to Jesus. A fact that blows out of the water, the fraudulent argument that Christ never existed.

- That the consensus came from 17th century or 29th century "scholars" makes very little difference. they are a good 17 centuries removed from the actual event . . . how on earth is the entire work genuine and YET just one small paragraph a forgery? Based on what evidence? Someone stole Josephus book and added that text while he was asleep?

- you gave NO detailed rebuttal you plagiarist. You simply copied and pasted someone else's work.

- I'm relying on Josephus' work because it is detailed genuine history of the Jews. Period!

- Neither was any of the writers of Ceasar or the Pharaohs an "eyewitness" . . . the "eyewitness" excuse cannot be reserved for Jesus Christ alone while we give everyone else a free pass.

davidylan:

We know Jesus Christ existed with archeological and historical proof so shut up and carry your Virishna away. Only foolish people come here and post stuff with know knowledge.

Where are your archeological proof of his existence? Any personal writtings, image or sculpture of his available to show us?Josephus, pliny and others had their, why is there non for someone that healed the sick, walked on water, raised the dead, died, rose and appeared to about 500 people? Historical proofs are widely different and some very contardictory, even the gospel accounts contradict each other.

@Bindex

You should know this guy by now, it's just talk, and the talk is just based on be[b]lie[/b]f, no facts.

Mr. foolish, you will do humanity a great service by  publishing this "archeological and historical proof". You stated earlier that the gospels accounts were identical or something of that nature, can you explain the contradictions pointed out by Kuns for a start.

As pointed earlier, If the Jews that were waiting for a messiah did not believe Jesus with all the evidence "miracles". Won't it be foolish for me or anyone to believe a story that has contradictions.

bindex:

Where are your archeological proof of his existence? Any personal writtings, image or sculpture of his available to show us?Josephus, pliny and others had their, why is there non for someone that healed the sick, walked on water, raised the dead, died, rose and appeared to about 500 people? Historical proofs are widely different and some very contardictory, even the gospel accounts contradict each other.

One thing is important to note . . . Josephus, Pliny and co have images or sculptures primarily because they were either Romans or lived in Rome.

By AD 70, Jerusalem had been completely destroyed by the roman army . . . which would make it extremely difficult to located archeological evidence, Which is probably why the Tombs of David, Solomon and Herod have not been found to this day.
However a French archeologists has found an ossuary in a tomb:




The ossuary bears the inscription - “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua.”  (in Aramaic, the dialect of Jesus Christ and His family).

Which is interpreted as - “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”

Which funny enough is recorded both in the bible and other historical sources.

davidylan:

I addressed it in my last post if you bothered to read it! Note that the SOLE REASON this work is disputed as a forgery is based ENTIRELY on the fact that it contains 2 references to Jesus. A fact that blows out of the water, the fraudulent argument that Christ never existed.

- That the consensus came from 17th century or 29th century "scholars" makes very little difference. they are a good 17 centuries removed from the actual event . . . how on earth is the entire work genuine and YET just one small paragraph a forgery? Based on what evidence? Someone stole Josephus book and added that text while he was asleep?

- you gave NO detailed rebuttal you plagiarist. You simply copied and pasted someone else's work.

- I'm relying on Josephus' work because it is detailed genuine history of the Jews. Period! - Neither was any of the writers of Ceasar or the Pharaohs an "eyewitness" . . . the "eyewitness" excuse cannot be reserved for Jesus Christ alone while we give everyone else a free pass.

What a shame you have to rely on Josephus disputed and discredited work as evidence that your God once worked on earth. Josephus had a Sculpure of him that is available till this day, where is that of your God? . Why is he so good at covering his tracks? He showed himself to moses his so called best friend that he almost killed, but was angry that people building the Mythical tower of bable were going build a tower high enough for them  to see him.   What a God.

zoraro:

Mr. foolish, you will do humanity a great service by  publishing this "archeological and historical proof". You stated earlier that the gospels accounts were identical or something of that nature, can you explain the contradictions pointed out by Kuns for a start.

As pointed earlier, If the Jews that were waiting for a messiah did not believe Jesus with all the evidence "miracles". Won't it be foolish for me or anyone to believe a story that has contradictions.

Thou hypocrite . . . when are you doing humanity a service by publishing the historical proof and archeological evidence for the drivel of gods you were trying to compare to Jesus Christ earlier?

Arent you wool heads tired of just copying and pasting from websites?

bindex:

What a shame you have to rely on Josephus disputed and discredited work as evidence that your God once worked on earth. Josephus had a Sculpure of him that is available till this day, where is that of your God? . Why is he so good at covering his tracks? He showed himself to moses his so called best friend that he almost killed, but was angry that people building the Mythical tower of bable were going build a tower high enough for them to see him. What a God.

You have to keep bleating this as that is the only way to preserve your fragile fraud of an argument. Carry go.

Josephus has a sculpture because he was also a Roman citizen idiot! Have you found a sculpture of Herod yet? Is it because he never existed? Sheesh . . . arguing with dullwitted no-brains is a taxing exercise.

davidylan:

One thing is important to note . . . Josephus, Pliny and co have images or sculptures primarily because they were either Romans or lived in Rome.

By AD 70, Jerusalem had been completely destroyed by the roman army . . . which would make it extremely difficult to located archeological evidence, Which is probably why the Tombs of David, Solomon and Herod have not been found to this day.
However a French archeologists has found an ossuary in a tomb:




The ossuary bears the inscription - “Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui di Yeshua.” (in Aramaic, the dialect of Jesus Christ and His family).

Which is interpreted as - “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.”

Which funny enough is recorded both in the bible and other historical sources.

And this is a proof that Jesus raised the dead, turned water into wine, healed the sick died, arose from death and appeared to about 500 people (whose names were not given and who non amongts ever wrote any thing about him on record but his so called diciples)? how is James, son of david and brother of Jesus prove any of the biblical assersions? Jesus is lord yet anytime he is being put into independent test he fails. Why did he try to kill his best friend moses? was it because he showed him his back sides and was scared he will tell others how it looked?

davidylan:

You have to keep bleating this as that is the only way to preserve your fragile fraud of an argument. Carry go.

Josephus has a sculpture because he was also a Roman citizen idiot! Have you found a sculpture of Herod yet? Is it because he never existed? Sheesh . . . arguing with dullwitted no-brains is a taxing exercise.

Thanks for perfectly describing yourself well done.

bindex:

And this is a proof that Jesus raised the dead, turned water into wine, healed the sick died, arose from death and appeared to about 500 people (whose names were not given and who non amongts ever wrote any thing about him on record but his so called diciples)? how is James, son of david and brother of Jesus prove any of the biblical assersions? Jesus is lord yet anytime he is being put into independent test he fails. Why did he try to kill his best friend moses? was it because he showed him his back sides and was scared he will tell others how it looked?

all of a sudden we've moved from "did he even exist" to "did He really do all those miracles"?

Omo i get game to play . . . when you expose their duplicity they start coming up with baseless "whys"?

Chill first . . . appeared to 500 people "whose names were not given"? See this idiot . . . where you give the names of those in Herod's court? What about the names of Gallileo's students?

- Liar pants on fire . . . it is James, son of Joseph (not David). The ossuary simply corroborates written facts in the bible and other works. James the brother of Jesus appears several times in the NT.

Any better argument left? You're begining to sound like a desperate loser.

bindex:

Thanks for perfectly describing yourself well done.

Nna thank you for accepting your own description. 

It is a well acknowledge and documented fact the Piso's wrote and acted the new testament story has play, which Constantine used to create his new religion to counter the spread of Judaism (an African influence religion) which was a treat to his rule in Rome, because these Jews were organised and spreading fast.

The religion also had great financial objective, because rome was an empire.

Today the vatican is the smallest, but richest country in the world. It even has a sit at the united Nation. All because of roman catholism.

Don't believe me, keep checking researching

Also Flavius Piso and Constantine were members of the illuminatti a clandestine spy network and secret society.
So they work together.

Also what do you know about Constantine?

Do some research on him? He was a very nasty and wicked and murderous person.

Don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

For all Kuns' faults . . . at least he seems to have a good grasp of his history.

The rest of the lame athiest cast have to depend on copy and paste.

davidylan:

all of a sudden we've moved from "did he even exist" to "did He really do all those miracles"?

Omo i get game to play . . . when you expose their duplicity they start coming up with baseless "whys"?

Nna thank you for accepting your own description.

Learn to read things in context, and stop deceiving yourself. By the way thanks for perfectly describing yourself you did a very good job at it.

davidylan:

For all Kuns' faults . . . at least he seems to have a good grasp of his history.

The rest of the lame athiest cast have to depend on copy and paste.

When people say you are a perfect description of a hypocrite that you always call others kindly accept. Where did you not copy and paste from? you even copied and pasted form "that" discredited wikipedia when it suited you. what a loud joke you are.

bindex:

When people say you are a perfect description of a hypocrite that you always call others kindly accept. Where did you not copy and paste from? you even copied and pasted form "that" discredited wikipedia when it suited you. what a loud joke you are.

Most of my arguments are mine . . . i only include referenced portions on rare occassions when it helps convey the point more clearly.

you on the other hand prefer to lift entire arguments while claiming to have "rebutted" my argument.

Case in point . . . your argument on why Jospehus writing is "disputed" to be a fraud. You virtually could not mention ONE reason of your own, you had to go to another website to essentially copy verbatim ALL their own arguments. Have you no brains to think for urself?

Mr. wool head, I stated earlier that my initial postings are from a book. I am happy that you are not  "just copying and pasting from websites" like normal people though. You must have a really big wool head.

davidylan:

Most of my arguments are mine . . . i only include referenced portions on rare occassions when it helps convey the point more clearly.

you on the other hand prefer to lift entire arguments while claiming to have "rebutted" my argument.

Case in point . . . your argument on why Jospehus writing is "disputed" to be a fraud. You virtually could not mention ONE reason of your own, you had to go to another website to essentially copy verbatim ALL their own arguments. Have you no brains to think for yourself?

You are truly a loud Joke.

Hey after about 27 pages your God has'nt locked or crashed nairaland despite all, the people that derided, insulted and mocked him. I say he should show that he is a God of fire and Iron as you are so quick to say he is and do some of the things he did in the bible. I need not tell you what they are, if he does'nt crash niaraland by the next hour then he is a stupid piece of chicken shit.

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bindex:

Hey after about 27 pages your God has'nt locked or crashed nairaland despite all, the people that derided, insulted and mocked him. I say he should show that he is a God of fire and Iron as you are so quick to say he is and do some of the things he did in the bible. I need not tell you what they are, if he does'nt crash niaraland by the next hour then he is a stupid piece of chicken shit.

clap for urself. What a hero you are.

zoraro:

Mr. wool head, I stated earlier that my initial postings are from a book. I am happy that you are not "just copying and pasting from websites" like normal people though. You must have a really big wool head.

Mr Aro dey call me woolhead? O boy . . . make i no just talk.

bindex:

Hey after about 27 pages your God has'nt locked or crashed nairaland despite all, the people that derided, insulted and mocked him. I say he should show that he is a God of fire and Iron as you are so quick to say he is and do some of the things he did in the bible. I need not tell you what they are, if he does'nt crash niaraland by the next hour then he is a stupid piece of chicken shit.

did you hear those the gods wants to kill they first make mad?. did you remember the titanic? why do you guys hate seun so much? shameless fools

tpia:

hellooo!!!!!!!!!

Ordinary human beings can crash the internet (na today?), so why must your own childish test for God involve crashing Nairaland?

this is why I say you have another motive for wanting nairaland to crash. You get forum wey you wan promote?

Chicken shit or cow shit- if you don't shit you die. So try to make your point without resorting to juvenile tantrums and petty foot stamping as if you can jump over ordinary cloud talkless stare God in the face.

Face? does he have a face? Your imaginary God showed his back sides to moses his best friend but tried to kill him, was it because he was scared moses will tell people how it looked? He was so afraid that people will see his face according to the myth of the tower of bable that he had to scatter them around. If Your imaginary God ever had a face he would'nt be running around hiding it will he?

JJYOU:

did you hear those the gods wants to kill they first make mad?. did you remember the titanic? why do you guys hate seun so much? shameless fools

what a joke you are, when your fellow christains were busy calling Allah the God of over 1.4 billion moslems "a 419ner and a wicked fool" here on nairaland non of you made any comment but added to the insult now that I call your God a piece of shit you cry like babies, Your God should prove that he is God and take my life in the next 30 seconds else he is a stupid piece if shit.

Its 2 minutes already and I am still standing where is he? is he shitting? why is the christain dieity not a her? it would have been more interesting.

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Bindex . . . what an unclever fellow