It is painful that becaus ewe are not from that country or have relatives there we would never understand the pains the went and aregoing through. I have friends that their family were displaced and living like refugees. Among shias and amon sunni there thousands suffering.

Your sentiments is really beclouding your reasoning. Since when families and friend begin living like refugees in Iraq and outside Iraq? Was it before the war began on Iraq or previously before the war began? I have an Iraqi friend in the Netherlands who has been living in the Netherlands for over ten years now. He came into the Netherlands as an asylum seeker in order to avoid the death sentence hanging on him and his family members from Saddam's reign of terror.

Whether you refuse to see it in my ways or not, I am least bothered. Saddam's reign was terror and if the only laudable achievement of Bush's administration was removing him and killing him, I am satisfied with that.  At least it is a moment of respite for that nation.

Bastage:

Simple question.

Was it? Normally guys like you would say it's oil. My view is that Saddam was on the road to causing even more trouble in the region. Trouble that would make the problems now look like a family picnic. Don't believe me? History shows this. I've already pointed to a million dead.
Also, people whine on about the Yanks and WMD. They forget that it was the UN who were saying that Iraq was compiling a WMD arsenal. They also forget that Saddam implicity tried to make it look like he had WMDs. They also forget that Saddam had even used WMDs both against the Iranians and his own people. So the WMD argument can't be dismissed even though you would like it to be. The fact that they found none means absolutely nothing. The fact that he was trying to obtain them, the fact that he had used them in the past and the fact that he was quite capable of using them again if he got his hands on them means a helluva lot more.

Intellectuals would agree with me that this statement of yours is pathetic. The main objective of a war was not met and yet it means nothing?  Thousands of lives like u quoted have been lost yet it means nothing?

Since when has presumption been used to justify a war.

This WMD of your u say Saddam used against his own people who sold them to him? It would be interesting to note that it was Rumsfeld who sold chemical weapons to Saddam in the 1980’s

Did I hear you mention UN how come the chief UN inspector said Iraq has no capability of WMD’s again. He even asked for more time to treble check the “concoted lies” called intelligence he wasn’t given.

El Baradai IAEE head said Iraq had no WMD he was ignored yet the intelligence of Ahamad Chalabi was taken to be correct and funny the US military went after him. Note that El Baradai was given the Peace Noble Laureate for his stance for peace not war in Iraq and beyond!

We can only debate on the US official stated objective any other objective u lots are trying to concote would forever remain speculation. The US went to the UN to seek its mandate and said it was WMD they were looking for WMD wast found period.

Pataki:

Whether you refuse to see it in my ways or not, I am least bothered. Saddam's reign was terror and if the only laudable achievement of Bush's administration was removing him and killing him, I am satisfied with that. [b]At least it is a moment of respite for that n[/b]ation.

Funny the Iraqi people dont see the occupation as respite and cant wait to see the back of the last american soldier. Look at the rally in support of Zaidi!!! He his seen as a hero among his people. Your opinion doesn’t matter

Lagosboy calls me a racist and says Al Zaidi is a hero.

this guy na real lagosmumu

Lagosboy:

Funny the Iraqi people don't see the occupation as respite and can't wait to see the back of the last american soldier. Look at the rally in support of Zaidi!!! He his seen as a hero among his people. Your opinion doesn’t matter

when Israel released the Lebanese child killer there were rallies in his support and even the Lebanese president met with him in his office.
After Sept 11, thousands of arabs and muslims world wide also rallied in support . . .

What is new?

Lagosboy:

Funny the Iraqi people don't see the occupation as respite and can't wait to see the back of the last american soldier. Look at the rally in support of Zaidi!!!  He his seen as a hero among his people. Your opinion doesn’t matter

And did you bother to see the rally in support of when Saddam was removed from office and finally executed from the same Iraqis? Did you weigh that into your reasoning before spitting out what you are saying here? Your opinion does not matter though.

davidylan:

Lagosboy calls me a racist and says Al Zaidi is a hero.

this guy na real lagosmumu

An intelligent man would state why i called your comment racist and defend it. Perhaps you might want to state your comments again so people that didnt see it might see it nowand decide for themselves!!

@Post,

Depends on what perspective you view his action as legendary.  

To me, he is not legendary but he is brave and definitely deserves praise for standing up to Bush - to his people and many more that are hurt by Bush policies around the globe, he is a hero.  There are two parts to it - The Presidency and the President.  The seat and the occupant!  This public disgrace tarnishes both.  I will excuse it for Bush but not for the Presidency.  

Where is Karmamod. . .  come up here chic     It is said that what goes around, comes around.  Bush enjoyed public humiliation of Saddam.  In 2003 after Baghdad was overrun by the American forces, one of the images beamed to the world was that of Saddam's statute being torn down as his people slap him symbolically with the soles of their shoes.  Well, as Bush is wrapping up in Iraq, he is given the same treatment that he gallantly commented on years ago as a symbol of heroism in the Iraqi people.

Lagosboy:

An intelligent man would state why i called your comment racist and defend it. Perhaps you might want to state your comments again so people that didnt see it might see it nowand decide for themselves!!

An equally intelligent man would state why he regards Al Zaidi as a hero and defend it.

What's new? Muslims today abuse words such as "racist", "islamophobe" . . . bla bla bla all the time so you really havent made any thought-provoking statement that i have to defend.

Pataki:

And did you bother to see the rally in support of when Saddam was removed from office and finally executed from the same Iraqis? Did you weigh that into your reasoning before spitting out what you are saying here? Your opinion does not matter though.

I am no fan of saddam and his presidency was tyrannical no doubt. It was an internal matter for the Iraqis and there is no where in the UN charter that says a another country should invade a sovereign state to change the regime!!

Lagosboy:


We can only debate on the US official stated objective any other objective u lots are trying to concote would forever remain speculation. The US went to the UN to seek its mandate and said it was WMD they were looking for WMD wast found period.

Lagosboy:

I am no fan of saddam and his presidency was tyrannical no doubt. It was an internal matter for the Iraqis and there is no where in the UN charter that says a another country should invade a sovereign state to change the regime!!

you are absolutely correct and i indicated as much in another thread.
Bush was wrong on the war on Iraq and has done a lot to destabilise the region without making the world any safer.

[size=18pt]BUT[/size]

I am yet to see you and your folks CLEARLY REPUDIATE unwarranted islamist terrorist attacks all over the world as much as you condemn Bush.
Americans have a very low approval rating for Bush . . . the republican party was decisively defeated in this round of elections and YET terrorists and folks like Al Zaidi are revered as martyrs and heros to you.

Now that is the bone of contention.

davidylan:

An equally intelligent man would state why he regards Al Zaidi as a hero and defend it.

What's new? Muslims today abuse words such as "racist", "islamophobe" . . . bla bla bla all the time so you really havent made any thought-provoking statement that i have to defend.

Hhahahahah here we go again . This thread has nothing to do with muslims or religion we are talking Iraq of war. Must you look at every single thing from your biased emotions?? Cant you for once debate issues without going after muslims?

Racism is a completely different thing from religious discrimination. As every race has different religions within it just for your information.

davidylan:

you are absolutely correct and i indicated as much in another thread.
Bush was wrong on the war on Iraq and has done a lot to destabilise the region without making the world any safer.

[size=18pt]BUT[/size]

I am yet to see you and your folks CLEARLY REPUDIATE unwarranted islamist terrorist attacks all over the world as much as you condemn Bush.
Americans have a very low approval rating for Bush . . . the republican party was decisively defeated in this round of elections and YET terrorists and folks like Al Zaidi are revered as martyrs and heros to you.

Now that is the bone of contention.

Good you agreee with me and I am impressed.

Concerning the other one Terrorist attacks are criminal and the killing of innocents is criminal like I have said in earlier posts. Zaidi is not a terrorist though he his a journalist and throwing a shoe is no terrorist attack!! It could be said that the act is uncivilised but that was the best way he felt he could express his view and bring the attention of the world to the farewell visit of Bush to Iraq

Lagosboy:

Good you agreee with me and I am impressed.

Concerning the other one Terrorist attacks are criminal and the killing of innocents is criminal like I have said in earlier posts. Zaidi is not a terrorist though he his a journalist and throwing a shoe is no terrorist attack!! It could be said that the act is uncivilised but that was the best way he felt he could express his view and bring the attention of the world to the farewell visit of Bush to Iraq

There was no better way for Al-Zaidi to express himself and be heard.People hav been talkin but no one has been listenin,
Al-Zaidi expressed the anger of so many million iraqis.
There are a million iraqis from men,women,boys,girls,orphans,widows that would do wat Al-Zaidi did.He is truly a hero for representing them
You cant even hear it from his words: "this is a farewell kiss, you dog,for all the ppl you have killed and the ppl u hav made widows and orphans".

I will continue to maintain that he is a Legend cos there might never be smone that will get the opportunity to do wat he did.
The secret service will be more alert next time.

All hail The Legend,the only one

Bastage:



That's just sheer and utter bullshit. The US guards did not rape anyone.
As for torture? It's relative. Under Saddam, they would have been tortured properly. Under the US they had to pose for humiliating photographs. I know which one I would consider real torture - proper torture involves a lot of pain and agony: not unlike reading the crap that you post.
"Innocent Iraqi civilians?". Nope. y your hatred of the USMost were Baathist members of the Saddam regime. It's very amusing to see how you try to twist the facts to justif. I pity you.

you have clearly demonstrate your hatred of arabs muslims and islam . . i pity you even more for your clear lack oof long term memory .  . or maybe you're just callous. if you can term what happened in abu ghraib as posing for humulating photogrphs - even rumsfield felt differently -

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864

excerpts-

What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added. 

hmm. . .

as to your claims about no rapes bythe heroic guardians of abu ghraib -

http://boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html

excerpts -

After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse. (, )

Notes from a similar speech Hersh gave in Chicago in June were posted on Brad DeLong's blog. Rick Pearlstein, who watched the speech, wrote: "[Hersh] said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, 'You haven't begun to see evil, ' then trailed off. He said, 'horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.' He looked frightened."

There are several questions here: Has Hersh actually seen the video he described to the ACLU, and why hasn't he written about it yet? Will he be forced to elaborate in more public venues now that these two speeches are getting so much attention, at least in the blogosphere? And who else has seen the video, if it exists -- will journalists see and report on it? did senators see these images when they had their closed-door sessions with the Abu Ghraib evidence? -- and what is being done about it?

"Military investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention (or as bastage would call -  it humiliating photos) facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said.

"'The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here.(do you understand that, bastage? or are as slow as your memory is limited?) -  We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,' Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. 'We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.'

"A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a 'male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.'

"Rumsfeld told Congress the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts 'that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.'"

i guess even if you did see photos of such, you'd find a way to rationalize them. . .

just to refresh your memory on abu ghraib

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

excerpts

Beginning in 2004, accounts of abuse, torture, sodomy[1] and homicide[2] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. It has been determined that at least some of these acts occurred, and they were committed by some personnel of the 372nd Military Police Company of the United States Army together with additional American governmental agencies.

The U.S. Department of Defense removed seventeen soldiers and officers from duty, and seven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. ( whey my camera?)

In the diary are listed detailed, dated entries that chronicle abuse and names, for example,

They stressed him out so bad that the man passed away. The next day the medics came in and put his body on a stretcher, placed a fake I.V. in his arm [to suggest he died under medical care] and took him away.(bastage style cover up) This OGA (other governmental agency) [prisoner] was never processed and therefore never had a number.

the reason the world is so fuc ked up today is because there are muslims/christians/blacks/whites/arabs/etc out there who are just like you  - bigots who will make up all sorts of excuses for their xenophobia

El Baradai IAEE head said Iraq had no WMD he was ignored yet the intelligence of Ahamad Chalabi was taken to be correct and funny the US military went after him.

El Baradi receiving the Nobel Prize was a white-wash.
Up until the US forces were assembled in Kuwait, the UN inspectors were whining that they weren't being given access to Saddam's weapons programs and that they strongly suspected he had WMD.
Do you think a war begins with the first bullet fired? You are wrong, my friend. Once thier forces were in place, the US had no option but to attack. 300,000 men with their equipment were encamped in a position a couple of kilometers wide. If Saddam had pre-emptively launched Scuds, he could have wreaked utter devastation. Trying to pull them out would not only have caused major political damage for the US but the dangers of making a military withdrawal could have been even worse.

Changing your tune when it's too late like the UN did, doesn't make you a hero. It's like me telling a friend to go around to your house and punch you in the face. When he arrives on your doorstep and is throwing his fist, do you think he could be stopped because I've changed my mind? No. The punch is being thrown. Even if I then tried to stop the punch, I've done it way too late and can't be absolved of guilt can I? Yet you say that the UN can?

Once those forces were in place, the war had begun. Crossing into Iraq was only the second phase. And during the first phase, the UN inspectors were doing their utmost to sow seeds of unrest. Believe me, those bastards were as guilty as anyone of starting that war. But what do you expect? The truth? You'll never get it because it would totally destroy any credibility that the UN has left.

Intellectuals would agree with me that this statement of yours is pathetic. The main objective of a war was not met and yet it means nothing?  

The objective of the war was to remove Saddam. It was a resounding success. Again, sentimentality doesn't come into it. Those who have died since are just collateral in the cold light of day. Any negatives can't be taken into account, simply because they have nothing to do with the objective.
That doesn't mean that I don't care. Again, it's just a statement of fact. Therefore, logically, your so-called intellectuals would be talking through their butts.

I will continue to maintain that he is a Legend because there might never be smone that will get the opportunity to do what he did.

Again, bullshit. Leaders of democracies are pretty soft targets when it comes to this sort of thing. Look at history.


What amuses me is that this guy was a journalist. A guy whose job it is to make money by selling newspapers. How much money do you think he'll make out of this? I see it as nothing more than a cynical publicity stunt to make a fortune for the media and for himself. Again, history will back me on this.


@oyb. The reason the world is bleeped up is because mouth-breathing retards like you think that everyone who disagrees with you is either a racist or an Islamaphobe. Truth is, there are just a load of people out here who are tired of your bullshit.

By the way. Seymour Hersh is full of shit. He also claimed to have tapes of these so-called rapes. Where are they? It's 5 years later and he hasn't published a single one. Yet a journalist of his demeanour would definitely show them to the world if they existed, wouldn't they?
An article about the way that Seymour Hersh operates:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/11/seymour_hershs_other_reality.html

er, while i understand that you just gargled with colgate -  hence your confidence in blathering about mouth breathing - - you seem to be silent on the 'humilating photos'

americans in abu ghraib demonstrated that whatever saddam can do, they most definetely can do better- of course, torture by genuine yankee doodle heroes from the land of the free doesn't count except as  - as you would call it 'collateral damage'

you sound like rush limbaugh, mouthing off about how soldiers needed to 'let off a little steam'

lets see what a people who aren't er . american thinkers have to say bout mr hersh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh

you seem to be silent on the 'humilating photos'

Because they turned out to be nothing more than "humiliating ".

The claim that they contained scenes of rape and murder were bullshit.
Again, if they did, where are they? Even according to the website you gave, under US law they had to be published yet not one showed rape or murder.

It's OK saying these things but how about offering some proof?

yeah . . .enter the humiliation

http://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=abughraib&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

you are beyond callous if you call that 'humiliating' seems you and uday could be blood brothers

twisted sociopath - you'd best get your ass down to gitmo or maybe one of the prisions in syria, where you can practise 'humiliation' as you would call it . ith your short memory and clear ambiguity about what constitutes torture, yo'd be a natural

just make sure you take the scope with you, can' have prisoners passing out from your breath now, can we?

frickin hannibal lecter wannabe

@Oyb The Arab slave

Since you joined Nairaland, the terms; Anfal, Halabja, Barzani tribes, e.t.c have probably never been seen anywhere in your posts. Is your sense of outrage dependent on the parties to the atrocity?

If Sunni Arabs massacre Kurds in the hundreds of thousands, Oyb plays the ostrich. Oyb's sense of outrage is restricted to invoking gory porn by googling 'Abu Ghraib'. Abu Ghraib has been in existence before Bush could spot Iraq on the map, but strangely, your disapproval only extends to the post-war period.

@ 4play the house nigger -

while i undersand that you see pitures of torture as porn ( you have in the past made commens  about your er - erectile dysfunction - hope you aren't working off a long overdue boner  those pictures may have given that needed rush of blood to the head) -

i am not justifying anything saddam and co did - you however seem to think that its aright for the US to follow in the steps of those it claims to revile. i wonder why they didnt see fit to deal with him he gassed the kurds - probably because then he was still playing as their middle east proxy against iran - you do know that america supplied the tyrant with military hadware during the iran irq war, don't you?

bush and co 'liberated iraq' . strangely, they decided to keep up the good work at abu ghraib

that is not the Us that we see in the movies or popular culture , those are not the actions of people with the moral high ground - actually the us has never had the moral high ground- i have a book the encyclopedia of rape - it turns out the US soldiers in post war japan carried on/took over with the services of the korean 'comfort women ' so much for the greatest generation

you so called democrats or noisemakers about freedom are ultimately as sick as those you revile. what crap - so the fact that evil was perpatrated by one set of socipaths meanswe shouldkeep quiet when its perpetratedby a stronger set of sociopaths.

git back to work on massas chamber pot nigguh!

@Abd al Arab

Porn, for the benefit of the grammatically challenged and prurient abd, also refers to sensational material. Maybe it might be best if we discussed in Arabic but your slave masters lost the culture war.

The US following in the footsteps of Saddam? Is that what you were taught in the Koranic school? Show me one example of the US gassing an entire village in Iraq, deporting an entire people or selectively massacring Shias.

You have latched on to the tired old tactic of referencing US silence in Saddam's earlier massacres. I'm inclined to think that the Arabs, who universally supported Saddam's wars against Iran and the Shia, have a moral compass and should be judged on their own merit. You should be able to condemn your slave masters for their atrocities against minorities - whether in Darfur or Halabja - without demanding why the US failed to act earlier. Make up your mind abd, do you want the US to intervene in Arabia or not?

@oyb.

Are you some kind of dipshit? Posting the Google Image Search page for "Abu Ghraib" doesn't mean that those photos are authentic.

How about posting the results for "Aliens exist" and then tell us that those photos are proof that they do.

Al-Zaidi is on wikipedia,and someone has sang a song hailing him,
this is apart from the staggering bids placed on his legendary shoes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntadhar_al_Zaidi

oyb:

that is not the Us that we see in the movies or popular culture , those are not the actions of people with the moral high ground - actually the us has never had the moral high ground- i have a book the encyclopedia of rape - it turns out the US soldiers in post war japan carried on/took over with the services of the korean 'comfort women ' so much for the greatest generation

arent we all tired of this "moral high ground" double standard? They look the other way when arabs and muslims commit terror and then sing about "moral high ground" when Israel or the US retaliate.

Maybe you shld google abu ghraib before 2003 . . . i'm not sure all you hypocrites crying about it knew it once existed.

and hypocrites like you , once they found out it did exist, rather than tear it down , decided to expand on its theme -

your opinion doesn't count, in any event, any first timer to nairaland will peg you as a foaming bigot once they have read any two of your posts

Bastage:

@oyb.

Are you some kind of dipshit? Posting the Google Image Search page for "Abu Ghraib" doesn't mean that those photos are authentic.

How about posting the results for "Aliens exist" and then tell us that those photos are proof that they do.

bastage - you obviously were not around in 2003 when the scandal broke - thats why you are in such denial - anyway - you obviously reason like a five year old - expecting cartoon villains and heroes  (pure black and white)- i think we've established that you are some kind of er - mouth shit -

4 Play:

@Abd al Arab

Porn, for the benefit of the grammatically challenged and prurient abd, also refers to sensational material. Maybe it might be best if we discussed in Arabic but your slave masters lost the culture war.

The US following in the footsteps of Saddam? Is that what you were taught in the Koranic school? Show me one example of the US gassing an entire village in Iraq, deporting an entire people or selectively massacring Shias.

You have latched on to the tired old tactic of referencing US silence in Saddam's earlier massacres. I'm inclined to think that the Arabs, who universally supported Saddam's wars against Iran and the Shia, have a moral compass and should be judged on their own merit. You should be able to condemn your slave masters for their atrocities against minorities - whether in Darfur or Halabja - without demanding why the US failed to act earlier. Make up your mind abd, do you want the US to intervene in Arabia or not? 

@ toby,

you probably need to bone up on your english - make sure massa don't see you on the net, he might cut off your other foot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porn

Pornography or porn is the explicit depiction of sexual subject matter with the[b] sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer[/b]. It is to a certain extent similar to erotica, which is the use of sexually arousing imagery

its disturbing that massa's whuppings, intended as dicipline, have turned you into a sexual deviant. makes one wonder what they taught you in the seminary.

the US did much better than that - they dropped a nuclear bomb on not one, but two cities in WWII. perhaps Saddam was following in your masters' footsteps. as to deportations, the US showed us all how to do that when they moved indians to reservations. of course 'moved' in this case covers the pillaging, raping and murder perpartated by the US army when they  'relocated' an entire race. you're right anyway no one does it like the US ; no one can. thats hegemony

at least, unlike bastage, you aren't going the hilarious route of claiming that abu Ghraib was about 'humiliating photos'

as to US intervention in arabia - we've all seen its outcome in iraq - i guess thats the sort of thing you get off on 

i agree with Muza that the guy is a legend, a legend to the islamic animal world. afterall[b] Muza [/b] is hausa and a muslim so i see no reason why he should have any sense.

thetruth90:

i agree with Muza that the guy is a legend, a legend to the islamic animal world.

For heaven sake!!! Do we have a future in Nigeria if Nairaland supposedly have  the best collection of enlightened youths home and abroad. Please my I urge the sane minds on NL to look at this statement “Islamic Animal world”, your comment has no reply except that I am full of pity for you. I pity your intellect, I grieve for your level of enlightenment and I grieve for Nigeria’s future. I would not debase myself to trade words with you!!!

thetruth90:

afterall[b] Muza [/b] is hausa and a muslim so i see no reason why he should have any sense.

4 Play:

@Oyb The Arab slave

4 Play link=topic=208159.msg3237425#msg3237425 date=1229538873:

@Abd al Arab

.Maybe it might be best if we discussed in Arabic but your slave masters lost the culture war.

The US following in the footsteps of Saddam? Is that what you were taught in the Koranic school?

Oh I think Davidylan might be a saint compared to these 2 guys!!!

This is thread is a political issue some people turned it into an anti muslim rhetoric, then anti arab now anti hausa. It saddens my soul that Bastage, 4play and truth90 have an unprecedented immunity to objectivity. Even Davidylan!!! still agreed that  the invasion of Iraq hasn’t made the world safer!!

This Racism and anti muslim rhetoric knows no bound!! It is funny it is we blacks coughing out these words. A person doesn’t have sense because he his hausa!! My goodness!!! Honestly @truth90 You need an urgent help!!! I would never stoop low or debase myself to throw abusive words back!!

@4play what has koranic school got to do with WMD in Iraq, Kai!!! the west criminalised the calling of blacks niggas we blacks call another person Arab slave !!! Nigeria's future I grieve for!!!

Lagosboy:

For heaven sake!!! Do we have a future in Nigeria if Nairaland supposedly have the best collection of enlightened youths home and abroad. Please my I urge the sane minds on NL to look at this statement “Islamic Animal world”, your comment has no reply except that I am full of pity for you. I pity your intellect, I grieve for your level of enlightenment and I grieve for Nigeria’s future. I would not debase myself to trade words with you!!!


Oh I think Davidylan might be a saint compared to these 2 guys!!!

This is thread is a political issue some people turned it into an anti muslim rhetoric, then anti arab now anti hausa. It saddens my soul that Bastage, 4play and truth90 have an unprecedented immunity to objectivity. Even Davidylan!!! still agreed that the invasion of Iraq hasn’t made the world safer!!

This Racism and anti muslim rhetoric knows no bound!! It is funny it is we blacks coughing out these words. A person doesn’t have sense because he his hausa!! My goodness!!! Honestly @truth90 You need an urgent help!!! I would never stoop low or debase myself to throw abusive words back!!

@4play what has koranic school got to do with WMD in Iraq, Kai!!! the west criminalised the calling of blacks niggas we blacks call another person Arab slave !!! Nigeria's future I grieve for!!!

sorry, i presume you are one of those animals often times reffered to as muslims. sorry.

.

thetruth90:

sorry, i presume you are one of those animals often times reffered to as muslims. sorry.

hhahahahaha!!! I laugh it off and like i said i wouldnt debase myself and stoop so low by trading words with you!!! . I am convinced you need urgent help

anyway - you obviously reason like a five year old - expecting cartoon villains and heroes

Actually, you're the guy posting the cartoons.
Let's take a look at the rest of the page that you posted as proof of Abu Ghraib atrocities:

[img]http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/05.05/photos/15-abughraib1-450.jpg[/img]  

This is the scene from a stage play. It purports to be nothing else yet you say it is proof?

And how about the photo of the woman showing her breasts with the caption "Now can I have my cheeseburger?". Is that proof of murder and rape in Abu Ghraib?

You can play the racism or anti-muslim card all you want. The fact is that I am opposed to bullshitters - whatever their race and whatever their religion.

thetruth90:



sorry, i presume you are one of those animals often times reffered to as muslims. sorry.

while davidlyan and 4play are a duo of unrestrained bigots, at least they are often astute - the same cannot be said for detruth, their retarded offspring/follower -

thats why i often refer to the most reverend davidlyan as a rabble rouser - thetruth is simply one of the rabble, a wannabe lickspittle looking up to his heroic 'beento's

Bastage:

Actually, you're the guy posting the cartoons.


[img]http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/05.05/photos/15-abughraib1-450.jpg[/img]  

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my oh my - you are referring to the pictures as cartoons you are indeed twisted - if you conider images of torture as an avenue for humour

as to your repeated denials -  are you sure u aren't the mirror image of comical ali? you seem to b pretty good at disinformation and denial - you actually are trying to deny what even your mentors have kept silent on, that American soldiers tortured innocent citizens in a prison -