Ifeann:


This is very rude... Please don't be aggressive to the gentleman bobbysworld28. Several people have told you the same thing he has told u.. U don't have an issue based discussion based on evidence. U prefer to intimidate and throw insults. I wonder what u will do to ifeann if u where discussing with her in person.

Ifeann:


[s]Wow.. Islamic science of the grave...lol??

Empiree sweetheart please define eschatology?..??

U claim u have studied it extensively and what's that other term u love to use..emmm.. Epistemology. [/s]

Empiree:
Is this exist strategy?
No, i truly want to see you debate them openly. They are properly coordinated. There is no need to rant online. Please if you are interested, i will give you their contact to call for open challenge on christian/muslim debate (on theology). It's going to be in the open. See what preparation they have for distant challengers. Dont know if they do. Or..,

If you are not or can not physically present, be sure to arrange true2god, pastokun, allnaijablogger, Bobbysworld28, dejilg, truthman212, nortcentrallord, malvisguy212, OREMUSSANCTUS to represent you. And let them also bring as little as 10 people with them each. That's where you can convert as many muslims as you possibly can. Conversion will not work here. And if chief preacher asks for names for recognition purposes, in order for us on NL to be able to identify you, kindly tell them to syndicate "ifeann-NL-group". That way we Muslims here will be able to recognize.

Youtube video will be made available later for you to watch. Do you want to do this?


Sorry, there is not serious debate online. Kindly refer to the above see if you are interested?. And I ask you too, who was the father of Adam?. Who impregnated Mary?

Empiree:
Is this exist strategy?
No, i truly want to see you debate them openly. They are properly coordinated. There is no need to rant online. Please if you are interested, i will give you their contact to call for open challenge on christian/muslim debate (on theology). It's going to be in the open. See what preparation they have for distant challengers. Dont know if they do. Or..,

If you are not or can not physically present, be sure to arrange true2god, pastokun, allnaijablogger, Bobbysworld28, dejilg, truthman212, nortcentrallord, malvisguy212, OREMUSSANCTUS to represent you. And let them also bring as little as 10 people with them each. That's where you can convert as many muslims as you possibly can. Conversion will not work here. And if chief preacher asks for names for recognition purposes, in order for us on NL to be able to identify you, kindly tell them to syndicate "ifeann-NL-group". That way we Muslims here will be able to recognize.

Youtube video will be made available later for you to watch. Do you want to do this?


Sorry, there is not serious debate online. Kindly refer to the above see if you are interested?. And I ask you too, who was the father of Adam?. Who impregnated Mary?

Ifeann:


Dude this is cool... Do u have their youtube handle so I can go sEe some of their past videos.

Plus I have safety concerns.

Will I be allowed to quote Islamic sources who say Mohammed was a blood thirsty jihadist Arab pagan sex addicted paedophile who according to Islamic texts died on top of Aisha's bosoms with an er.ection after getting poisoned by a Jewish woman who he killed her family.

Will I be free to say that
Sufis are being killed in the name of Allah.
Shias are being killed in the name of Allah.
Sunnis are being killed in the name of Allah.
Christians are being killed in the name of Allah.
Jews are being killed in the name of Allah.
Hindus are being killed in the name of Allah.
Buddhists are being killed in the name of Allah.
Yazidis are being killed in the name of Allah.
Cartoonists are being killed in the name of Allah.

Hope the Muslims there are not aggressive.

Bobbysworld28:

For ur mind, ifeann.
is this agressive and u want to go with his recommendation?
Do u hv a death wish? Dont evn consider the offer. It is a poisoned chalice

Empiree:
kindly stop mentioning me...and respond to the debate challenge

Empiree:
THE TRACELESS WARRIOR

SOME SAYINGS OF ISA IBN MARIYAM (Peace be upon him)

Translated from Aramaic into Arabic by Imam Muhammad al-Ghazali (May Allah
keep his Secret)

English versions by Mushtaq Ali al Ansari
Copyright 1999 all rights reserved

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim

[size=15pt]It was written in the original Gospel:[/size]

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) said:
Seek what you do not Know only after you
have put into practice what you do Know.

The disciples of Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) came to him and asked;
"O spirit of Allah, is there anyone else like you alive in our time?"
He replied: "Yes indeed, Whoever has the dhikr of Allah in his heart,
and is silent in thought, and who learns from what is given,
surely that one is like me."

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS), asked his people:
"Where do you find a plant growing?"
They replied: "In the dust of the earth."
He said: "By Al Haqq, I will tell you,
Marifat (Gnosis) does not grow except in a heart
that is like the dust of the earth."

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS), was walking with his companions
when they passed a dead dog by the side of the road.
His companions said: "What can be worse than the corruption of the unclean
dog!"
And Jesus replied: "His teeth, how brightly they shine."


Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) met a man and asked him what his profession was.
The man replied: "I worship Allah."
Isa (AS) then asked: 'Who feeds and clothes you while you worship?"
"My brother." The man replied.
Isa (AS) said: "Your brother's worship is better than your own."


Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) met three people while traveling,
They were pale and thin with fasting.
He asked them:
"What has caused this state in you?"
They said:
"Fear of the punishment of Allah"
Isa (AS) replied:
"Allah has taken it upon Himself to lessen your fear."
He continued on a ways and came across three more
who were pale and thin with fasting, even more than the last.
He asked them:
"What has caused this state in you?"
They answered:
"Desire for Allah's rewards"
Isa (AS) said: "Allah has taken it upon Himself
to give you what you long for."
Once again in his travels Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) came across yet another three
who were pale and thin with fasting.
Their faces shone as if they were lit from within.
so he asked them: "What is the cause of your state?"
They answered: "We love Allah, the Mighty, the Glorious."
Whereupon he replied: "You are the nearest, and nearer still!"


The companions of Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) said to him:
"Look at this temple, is it not beautiful?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'My people,
by al Haqq I tell you,
Allah does not leave from this temple standing
except to destroy it by the sins of it's inhabitants.
Surely, Allah does not care about gold and silver,
He does not care about this building that you admire so.
What Allah, the Most High loves are good hearts.
Allah inhabits the heart that remembers Him and He desolates
the heart that does not."


"Isa ibn Mariyam (AS),
passed by a group of men who shouted evil things at him.
In return Isa (AS) spoke to them with kindness.
His companions asked:
"Why did you reply to these men with kindness when they spoke evil to you?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'Everyone spends from the coin he has."

Bobbysworld28:

I respond for her: NO!
U cannot be trusted

PastorKun:


[s]The several use of the term "allah" in this your write up betrays the fact that it is an islamic forgery.[/s]

justlove91:
Nobody even attempts my questions! Was the imam lying?

Empiree:
Who cares if u dont. Since you freaking ppl think you are always correct, my attempt here is to call your brain to order. If you and her want to debate comparative religion, good but if she starts throwing insults bcuz she thinks it's in islamic source and she doesn't want to learn, she will be denied debate. simple. no attacks on anyone. many did worse than her

But here online...no debate...she will be met with the way she presents herself

Empiree:
THE TRACELESS WARRIOR

SOME SAYINGS OF ISA IBN MARIYAM (Peace be upon him)

Translated from Aramaic into Arabic by Imam Muhammad al-Ghazali (May Allah
keep his Secret)

English versions by Mushtaq Ali al Ansari
Copyright 1999 all rights reserved

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim

[size=15pt]It was written in the original Gospel:[/size]

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) said:
Seek what you do not Know only after you
have put into practice what you do Know.

The disciples of Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) came to him and asked;
"O spirit of Allah, is there anyone else like you alive in our time?"
He replied: "Yes indeed, Whoever has the dhikr of Allah in his heart,
and is silent in thought, and who learns from what is given,
surely that one is like me."

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS), asked his people:
"Where do you find a plant growing?"
They replied: "In the dust of the earth."
He said: "By Al Haqq, I will tell you,
Marifat (Gnosis) does not grow except in a heart
that is like the dust of the earth."

Isa ibn Mariyam (AS), was walking with his companions
when they passed a dead dog by the side of the road.
His companions said: "What can be worse than the corruption of the unclean
dog!"
And Jesus replied: "His teeth, how brightly they shine."


Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) met a man and asked him what his profession was.
The man replied: "I worship Allah."
Isa (AS) then asked: 'Who feeds and clothes you while you worship?"
"My brother." The man replied.
Isa (AS) said: "Your brother's worship is better than your own."


Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) met three people while traveling,
They were pale and thin with fasting.
He asked them:
"What has caused this state in you?"
They said:
"Fear of the punishment of Allah"
Isa (AS) replied:
"Allah has taken it upon Himself to lessen your fear."
He continued on a ways and came across three more
who were pale and thin with fasting, even more than the last.
He asked them:
"What has caused this state in you?"
They answered:
"Desire for Allah's rewards"
Isa (AS) said: "Allah has taken it upon Himself
to give you what you long for."
Once again in his travels Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) came across yet another three
who were pale and thin with fasting.
Their faces shone as if they were lit from within.
so he asked them: "What is the cause of your state?"
They answered: "We love Allah, the Mighty, the Glorious."
Whereupon he replied: "You are the nearest, and nearer still!"


The companions of Isa ibn Mariyam (AS) said to him:
"Look at this temple, is it not beautiful?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'My people,
by al Haqq I tell you,
Allah does not leave from this temple standing
except to destroy it by the sins of it's inhabitants.
Surely, Allah does not care about gold and silver,
He does not care about this building that you admire so.
What Allah, the Most High loves are good hearts.
Allah inhabits the heart that remembers Him and He desolates
the heart that does not."


"Isa ibn Mariyam (AS),
passed by a group of men who shouted evil things at him.
In return Isa (AS) spoke to them with kindness.
His companions asked:
"Why did you reply to these men with kindness when they spoke evil to you?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'Everyone spends from the coin he has."

Bobbysworld28:

From all I hv seen, she presents claims and backs them up with d quran and hadiths. U hv discounted hadiths as false. Lets say we agree with u.
The way I see it, either u discount d quran too as false, or u explain from the quran showing the falsehood of Ifeann's assertions. U hv done neither of these and this lets us (non-muslims and shaky muslims) to believe Ifeann speaks the truth.
I knw u will attack me, but it is alright since I hv come to expect dt from u

Ifeann:


[s]Lol.. I asked for their youtube handle. Can u pls send me a link.



I just visited the groups website and was reading its historic background. It says...."The two-fold desire to halt the assault of anti-Islamic preachers and house-to-house canvassers and the ugly incidence of weak Muslims being carted away into Christianity now drew duo of Yusuf Adepoju and a fellow Muslim brother, Abdul-Afeez Igbayilola together to quickly form a Dawah Group"

Apparently when smart people leave Islam u Muslims call them weak.. Maybe they are too weak to fight in jihads or capture people as sex slaves. Its a good thing to know the mass conversion of Muslims to Christians caused the Yusuf fellow to panic and set up this group.


And Its number one objective is this ...".To propagate the Religion of Islam, in its pure and unblemished form through Dawah."

Lol.. We all know Mohammed allows the use of AL TAQIYYA to propagate isalm. Can this group be trusted to be honest.

And please can u guarantee safety.

Empiree:
you still not making any sense. You want me to reason with you but you dont reason with others. So there is no need talking intelligently with you. Atheist quotes violence verse from bible am sure you will love to defend it isnt?. You begin to sound like a fool. I wont apologize that that statement

Ifeann:

"Isa ibn Mariyam (AS),
passed by a group of men who shouted evil things at him.
In return Isa (AS) spoke to them with kindness.
His companions asked:
"Why did you reply to these men with kindness when they spoke evil to you?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'Everyone spends from the coin he has."

Bobbysworld28:

For ur mind, ifeann.
Empiree is this agressive and u want to go with his recommendation?
Do u hv a death wish? Dont evn consider the offer. It is a poisoned chalice

usermane:
Empiree, 9jaforlife, i "ll love to have your answer to the OP 's question. I think this is a very important issue, considering that you present yourselves here as Muslims who believe in the punishment of the grave. Please lets be focused.

justlove91:

Seconded, No try am Ifeann!

Empiree:
you still not making any sense. You want me to reason with you but you dont reason with others. So there is no need talking intelligently with you. Atheist quotes violence verse from bible am sure you will love to defend it isnt?. You begin to sound like a fool. I wont apologize that that statement

Empiree:
So this one isnt forged, right? hypocrite!

usermane:
Empiree, 9jaforlife, i "ll love to have your answer to the OP 's question. I think this is a very important issue, considering that you present yourselves here as Muslims who believe in the punishment of the grave. Please lets be focused.

Ifeann:


Its forged but I like the story. I used to have a forged IWC wrist watch. Very nice but it was still a cheap fake. Ur story is as fake as Islam and false as Mohammed

Bobbysworld28:

I dont reason with others? Ok, u want to hide Muhammed under my non-existent dialogue with atheist? Whts d correlation? Dont bother apologizing because u r forgiven and loved irrespective

Ifeann:


Ok. Wasn't seriously considering it.. Bobby has already warned me. Plus empiree doesn't want to guarantee my safety despite I asking him twice.