Ifeann:


The word is save not safe. .

Once again mary was an adult show me a passage from the bible were u got the age u submitted. .below is a pic of scripture from both jewish orthodox translation and KJV where Jesus at 12 years is referred to as a child. Note the fear his parent felt when he at 12 year old was tot to be missing...note when he was found among the teachers they expressed surprise that the child knew so much ..all this point to the fact that marry was not 12 like u Muslims claim.. read this below for added context.

Cc empiree, 9jaforlife

[size=2pt] [s] Mary,the mother of Jesus was not 12 when she got married.
First,when she perceived that she has become pregnant,she went to
visit her cousin,elizabeth,not aunt,not mother,cousin. Now,being
cousins means that though there can be some age gap between
them,but they are contemporaries and friends(luke1:39-40). And
Elizabeth herself has well aged and has even long entered
menopause. Hence,mary couldn't be a teenager,not to talk of 12.
Secondly,it was also written that on getting pregnant,she relocated
from her house to Elizabeth's where she stayed with her for
3months before going back to her own house(see luke1:56). I don't
think a 12year old or even a teenager will be having her own house
at that time and even now.
Thirdly,her ability to independently move from her city to another
for 3months clearly shows that we are dealing with a mature
woman,not a teen or even less.
Fourthly,she was addressed throughout by both the angel and her
cousin as a woman(see luke1:28,42)
Fifthly,read her songs of exaltation from Luke1:46-55. It clearly
shows the intelliegence of a full grown woman who is knowledgable
in her ancestral history as she is of spiritual things.
As for Joseph,though no mention was ever made anywhere in the
bible of his age,the bible describes him as a just man which modern
scholars will refer to as a perfect gentleman.
Also,12years after Jesus was born,his parents were still going to
Jerusalem for their annual thanksgiving and this was a journey of
days by road. That would have put Joseph's age at 111 if he
married her at 99. Had it been so,the bible would have mentioned it
as chronological order was very important then.

let me also add that when 12yr old Jesus went missing, Mary and Joseph turned the whole Jerusalem upside down searching for him until they found him in the temple. If 12yr old was considered adult then, his parents wouldn't have worried because as an "adult he could fend for himself" But no, Mary and Joseph went searching for him till she found him, why? Because, a 12yr old child is considered as a kid. As it was in 2000 years ago and today... unlike Mohammed who sees a 6 year old child fit for marriage and 9 year old fit for sex..

All this evidence should tell you clearly that Mary wasn't 12yrs old at the time she was engaged to Joseph.


Please, while we do not care about the lifestyle of your prophet,I
plead that you do not spread falsehood of christianity in trying to
justify this pitiable act of his. [/s] [/size]

Firstly, kindly be aware that I'm not interested in the nonsense you posted to cover up the shame in Christianity!

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, why do you like feeling like a professor of English? I've seen you criticize the most trivial mistakes people make in their post, while you're guilty of the same offence many times..... Oh! I forgot you're a Christian!! The religion of hypocricy.

Well, if you had looked at your own post closely enough, the person you're correcting is better than you! I will show you many blunders in your own short sentence!

You should have written where, years, and these instead of the words I bolded. You couldn't even spell Mary, or write her name starting with a capital letter 'M'? Shame on you for seeing the fault in others while missing the many faults of your own! Typical of Christians!!

9jaforlife:


Firstly, kindly be aware that I'm not interested in the nonsense you posted to cover up the shame in Christianity!

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, why do you like feeling like a professor of English? I've seen you criticize the most trivial mistakes people make in their post, while you're guilty of the same offence many times..... Oh! I forgot you're a Christian!! The religion of hypocricy.

Well, if you had looked at your own post closely enough, the person you're correcting is better than you! I will show you many blunders in your own short sentence!

You should have written where, years, and these instead of the words I bolded. You couldn't even spell Mary, or write her name starting with a capital letter 'M'? Shame on you for seeing the fault in others while missing the many faults of your own! Typical of Christians!!

I typed that particular comment with my phone which at times changes what I typed...it's called auto correct ..very pesky. If u use an iPhone or a driod u will know sometimes it has a mind of its own. Were - where, marry- mary , year- years ..boohoo.. these are terrible blunders I must not know the English language..lol. the grammatical error I pointed out was definitely not auto correct. .he clearly has a problem with verb usage.

Ifeann:


I typed that particular comment with my phone which at times changes what I typed...it's called auto correct ..very pesky. If u use an iPhone or a driod u will know sometimes it has a mind of its own. Were - where, marry- mary , year- years ..boohoo.. these are terrible blunders I must not know the English language..lol.

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, shame unto you for defending this utter s*tupidity of yours!! You don't have any sense of decency whatsoever!

The person you quoted wrote 'safe' instead of 'save'. Is this different from the nonsense you listed above How are you sure it wasn't auto correct that caused his/her own mistake?

This is the perfect picture of christianity. You accuse others of things you do on daily basis in your good for nothing lives, when somebody points out your pure hypocrisy, you still go ahead defending it shamelessly!! Christians are worse than the devil himself!!! I spit on that cursed religion. Wetin?!!

9jaforlife:


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, shame unto you for defending this utter s*tupidity of yours!! You don't have any sense of decency whatsoever!

The person you quoted wrote 'safe' instead of 'save'. Is this different from the nonsense you listed above How are you sure it wasn't auto correct that caused his/her own mistake?

This is the perfect picture of christianity. You accuse others of things you do on daily basis in your good for nothing lives, when somebody points out your pure hypocrisy, you still go ahead defending it shamelessly!! Christians are worse than the devil himself!!! I spit on that cursed religion. Wetin?!!

Here is the difference, I told u it was an autocorrect problem with my phone, then i corrected the error however the muslim fellows didn't say theirs was auto correct.. the other fellow clearly has a problem with verb usage. Empire ur friend also clearly has a problem with English despite his claim that he lives in the west.

I have pointed it out to him that it is making it difficult for me to read his replies but he rather chose to insult and said he isn't bothered about corrections.

Where is the hypocrisy??

Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.

Ifeann:




Where is the hypocrisy??

Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.

I don't care for a second what you think of the way i write. You want to become a lecturer now?. You are the one who knows religion of others better than them. You are the same prosecutor, attorney, jury and judge. And now you shifting to being English teacher?.

Trust me, i understand evangelical tactics a lot. It doesn't work with me for a second. In the beginning since you started opening your nonsense threads, you had no problem with the way i write. Now in order to ridicule me you started bleeping on irrelevancies cus i gave you headache. May I remind you that you already said earlier in one of your silly threads that you gave up on me?. I know very well what that means. Ask your boyfriend userman, he too gave up on me cus my argument cracks brains.

I dont give a blip for a second how i write on NL. I only try to get the msg out. I can care less to proofread. I just dont in most cases. Well my job officially does requires that i write a lot. That's when i mean biz NOT NL. It's definitely your way to ridicule that's why you dwell on this nonsense. You want me to start abbreviating my posts?, using slangs? etc which will make it harder for you to comprehend. I know damn too well how to go about that.

I know you have problem with my style of writing like "Believe you me", "Revert". Sorry, that's perfect English depending on conversation. I repeat perfect English. You can't comprehend because you have this village temperament. 'Revert' is used for non-Muslims who adopt Islam since we believe everyone is born Muslim including yourself. Whether you like it or not. Right now, you are a convert to Christianity. When you finally embrace Islam (if Allah wills) you then return to your original religion (revert). Stick that in your tick head.

Now renounce that fraudulent religion called Christianity and QUIT teaching complex.

Ifeann:


I typed that particular comment with my phone which at times changes what I typed...it's called auto correct ..very pesky. If u use an iPhone or a driod u will know sometimes it has a mind of its own. Were - where, marry- mary , year- years ..boohoo.. these are terrible blunders I must not know the English language..lol. the grammatical error I pointed out was definitely not auto correct. .he clearly has a problem with verb usage.

@9jaforlife: don't mind that dullard she wanted to defend herself and committing another stupid blunders
did you also notice the bold in her statement: "a driod" she can not even spell android

yazach:


@9jaforlife: don't mind that dullard she wanted to defend herself and committing another stupid blunders
did you also notice the bold in her statement: "a driod" she can not even spell android

driod is a nick name for android phones.. it was made popular by Motorola driod series... do u see how u expose ur ignorance. I have a driod phone.

And again u show u have a problem with verb usage. U should have said committed not committing.

Ifeann:


driod is a nick name for android phones.. it was made popular by Motorola driod series... do u see how u expose ur ignorance. I have a driod phone.

And again u show u have a problem with verb usage. U should have said commited not committing.

Slowpoke did you also noted the way you spelt your committed

yazach:


Slowpoke did you also noted the way you spelt your committed

Auto correct

In the meanwhile learn ur verbs.

yazach:


@9jaforlife: don't mind that dullard she wanted to defend herself and committing another stupid blunders
did you also notice the bold in her statement: "a driod" she can not even spell android

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict is just an empty vessel. That's why she makes the loudest, silliest noise! Always looking for cheap popularity online, because everyone around her in real life regards her as persona non grata

Ifeann:


Here is the difference, I told u it was an autocorrect problem with my phone, then i corrected the error however the muslim fellows didn't say theirs was auto correct.. the other fellow clearly has a problem with verb usage. Empire ur friend also clearly has a problem with English despite his claim that he lives in the west.

I have pointed it out to him that it is making it difficult for me to read his replies but he rather chose to insult and said he isn't bothered about corrections.

Where is the hypocrisy??

Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, you are a basic f*ool. You often make mistakes in your posts and you now give the s*tupid excuse that it's your Abakaliki phone that auto corrects your words, even when you made many mistakes in a short passage such as writing 12year instead of 12years; but you don't think others should be given a break for their own mistakes

My point is why didn't you see the many blunders of your own FIRST before correcting his own? Couldn't his own phone also be the cause? Oh! I forgot you're a Christian! Always seeing the fault of others but are blind to their own ridiculous, fault ridden lives. Hypocrites!!

timijoseph01:
The Era of d old testament is clearly diff 4rm nw.. Some tinz are allowed in d OT which is actually a sin nw i.e afta death of Christ..
So dnt be confused.. Those are d lifes of d war-men then..
Mind u,,dnt 4get d commandments *thou not commit adultery,, *thou shall not furnicate..

BUT God ordered it. does the unchangeable God have a change of heart?!

Kay17:
BUT God ordered it. does the unchangeable God have a change of heart?!

I believe you're more intelligent and you're able to differentiate between "PRESCRIPTIVE" and "DESCRIPTIVE" the Old Testament events are descriptive and NOT prescriptive.

Beside if you read the content of those verses with an open heart you can get the message the writers are passing across.

Kay17:


BUT God ordered it. does the unchangeable God have a change of heart?!

after the fall of man,God cursed man and the serpent;

Genesis 3:14-19
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[ a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing
very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to
children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you
listened to your wife and ate fruit from
the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food
from it
all the days of your life.
18
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

But God with his infinite mercy made a covenant of peace with his people in Exedus34:25>>>>I will make a covenant of PEACE with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.

And through out the bible God keep on reminding his children of the covenant of peace:

Numbers 25:12
Therefore tell him I am making my
covenant of PEACE with him.

Isaiah 54:10
Though the mountains be shaken and
the hills be removed, yet my unfailing
love for you will not be shaken nor my
covenant of PEACE be removed,” says
the Lord, who has compassion on you.

Ezekiel 34:25
“‘I will make a covenant of PEACE with
them and rid the land of savage beasts
so that they may live in the wilderness
and sleep in the forests in safety.

Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of PEACE with
them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I
will establish them and increase their
numbers, and I will put my sanctuary
among them forever.

KAY17.you see through out the old testament God keep on saying covenant of peace but in the New testament,we did not hered about this covenant,why? Because Jesus is the prince of PEACE,this peace were giving to thoes who want it , Jesus took away the sin of the world.
john1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming
toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of
God, who takes away the sin of the
world!

We the christians are with the new covenant of peace with God through his son Jesus christ.the old covenant law was to revealed the sinful nature of man and to help us know what is goog and evil'paul say without the law I wouldn't have known what is good or bad. and the new covenant was to live with peace with God this peace will be given to those who want it.

Ifeann:


driod is a nick name for android phones.. it was made popular by Motorola driod series... do u see how u expose ur ignorance. I have a driod phone.

And again u show u have a problem with verb usage. U should have said committed not committing.

Droid. Swype won't misspell "droid" on Android phones. That's the second word in the Swype dictionary after "Android."

Anyway, lemme remove my leg from your matter.

Emusan:


I believe you're more intelligent and you're able to differentiate between "PRESCRIPTIVE" and "DESCRIPTIVE" the Old Testament events are descriptive and NOT prescriptive.

Beside if you read the content of those verses with an open heart you can get the message the writers are passing across.

But there are instructions by God to his people -- the Israelites, to destroy, rape and maim other races. These instructions count as prescriptive elements. In our times, these qualify as war crimes.

Kay17:
But there are instructions by God to his people -- the Israelites, to destroy, rape and maim other races.

Please kindly show me where you see RAPE in those verses that OP raised?
Which other races do they maim, if you don't know there is a reason why those commandments were given?

These instructions count as prescriptive elements. In our times, these qualify as war crimes.

Lol..."""It counts as prescriptive elements""" so how many Christians quote verses in the Bible to justify their evil act?

I know you just say that out of nothing to say.

Emusan:


Please kindly show me where you see RAPE in those verses that OP raised?
Which other races do they maim, if you don't know there is a reason why those commandments were given?

Now you are admitting the instructions were given but with reasons unknown to me? I have read the Bible.

Kay17:
Now you are admitting the instructions were given but with reasons unknown to me? I have read the Bible.

NO! I didn't say the reason is unknown to you but God has a reason for giving those commands, if truly you've read Bible as you claimed then you should've read what I'm saying now that those commandments are not prescriptive but meant for those people for particular event that's why it was descriptive as all Christians understood them and no Christian will perpetuate any evil act then use any of those verses as a support.

Emusan:


NO! I didn't say the reason is unknown to you but God has a reason for giving those commands, if truly you've read Bible as you claimed then you should've read what I'm saying now that those commandments are not prescriptive but meant for those people for particular event that's why it was descriptive as all Christians understood them and no Christian will perpetuate any evil act then use any of those verses as a support.

Why did you raise questions doubting the existence of those instruction in the first place?!

What was the moral lesson? Kill, rape, maim once in a while?! Who is the Bible written to, other than every Christian in every century. To you as a Christian in the 21st century, what have you learnt from the instructions?

Kay17:
Why did you raise questions doubting the existence of those instruction in the first place?!

What are the questions did I raised doubting the existence of those instruction?

What was the moral lesson? Kill, rape, maim once in a while?! Who is the Bible written to, other than every Christian in every century. To you as a Christian in the 21st century, what have you learnt from the instructions?

Ask again show me where you see RAPE in those verse raised by the OP.

Bible was written for us to learn, so if we as a Christian can't learn from it then there would be problem.

So the moral lesson here is how to obey and respect God which is what they failed to do that resulted to those instruction.

Emusan:


What are the questions did I raised doubting the existence of those instruction?



Ask again show me where you see RAPE in those verse raised by the OP.

Bible was written for us to learn, so if we as a Christian can't learn from it then there would be problem.

So the moral lesson here is how to obey and respect God which is what they failed to do that resulted to those instruction.

God instructed his people to kill, maim and rape other people on the account of their race; and the lesson you found in that was 'God's instructions must always be obeyed'!

But you would later claim atheists are morally deprived people!

Kay17:
God instructed his people to kill, maim and rape other people [size=14pt]on the account of their race;[/size] and the lesson you found in that was 'God's instructions must always be obeyed'!

@bold-Why must you lie for public fame?

You keep dodging my question. Lastly, show me where you see RAPE in those verse if not I won't reply you again.

I can see you misunderstood me here, though God's instruction must be obeyed but I'm not talking about lesson as God's instruction to be obeyed here rather how those people that the Israelite fought with failed to obey and respect God.

But you would later claim atheists are morally deprived people!

Can you show me where I've ever made this claim since I join NL?

We are talking about the OP remember.

Emusan:


@bold-Why must you lie for public fame?

You keep dodging my question. Lastly, show me where you see RAPE in those verse if not I won't reply you again.

I can see you misunderstood me here, though God's instruction must be obeyed but I'm not talking about lesson as God's instruction to be obeyed here rather how those people that the Israelite fought with failed to obey and respect God.



Can you show me where I've ever made this claim since I join NL?

We are talking about the OP remember.

Rape verses:

Judges 21:10-24

[b]So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes[/b]

Numbers 31:7-18

[b]They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves[/b]

Deuteronomy 21:10-14

When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

Zechariah 14:1-2

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city

So I ask again, what moral lesson does the 21st century Christian gain from these passages?

You're very funny doing the same thing that the OP did.

I'm expecting you to highlight where the word RAPE or SLEPT WITH appeared in those verse but you couldn't.

Or you want to tell me that you don't know the meaning of RAPE again?

If you don't believe in Bible that doesn't mean you should be making false accusation about

I will just point out some key point in what you posted I hope you can get it.

Kay17:


Rape verses:

Judges 21:10-24

[b]So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. [size=14pt]So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?[/size] There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. [size=14pt]When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead.[/size] And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes[/b]

If you're sincere enough you will know that these verses are talking about WIFE not just woman they'll have sexua.l immorality with and abandon even this is done with the consent of their relatives.

Numbers 31:7-18
[b]They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. [size=14pt]Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves[/size][/b]

I know the emphasis here is at the bolded-but the question is does this verse say they RAPE them?

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
[size=14pt]When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD,[/size] your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, [size=14pt]if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.[/size] But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; [size=14pt]but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.[/size]

The question we may ask here is, who is their enemy? I can't go into this now.

Again this is clear enough that this passage is talking about marriage though under compulsion BUT NOTICE THAT verse 10 says "THAT YOU WISH..." and the rest of the verse placed a strict law they must abide with even when they follow their wishes.

Zechariah 14:1-2
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city

Do you mean this verse is also talking about RAPE?

So I ask again, what moral lesson does the 21st century Christian gain from these passages?

The moral lesson we learn here is that we should not disobey God and be a rebellion against His people which can make one enemy of God as those people did and were destroyed.

@Emusan

Doesn't it ring in your head that I need not mention the exact word 'rape' but the description fits the bill. Because the verses did not use the word 'rape', does not throw out all the elements of rape present. That would be infantile. Rape is the use of sexual intercourse as an assault against a person with the lacking consent.

Look at the verses and ask yourself, 'are the elements present'?

Kay17:
Doesn't it ring in your head that I need not mention the exact word 'rape' but the description fits the bill. Because the verses did not use the word 'rape', does not throw out all the elements of rape present. That would be infantile. [size=14pt]Rape is the use of sexual intercourse as an assault against a person with the lacking consent.[/size]

Look at the verses and ask yourself, 'are the elements present'?

Now you resulted to 'ELEMENTS OF RAPE' but your claim initially was that there's a RAPE in the BIBLE which you even said with boldness when you quoted those verse in the Bible as "Rape verses:" shouldn't this furnish us with the reality that you just made a false accusation about the Holy Bible?

Then you went further to define RAPE @bolded, please with sincerity show me where any woman was sexually abuse without their consent in those verse?
Remember we have verses in the Bible that talk about sexual immorality of some people, so don't think maybe the author of those book deliberately hide this act in the verses you quoted.

The OP is a Muslim but if what we read in the Bible is the way history wrote about Muhammad I believe no man will say Muhammad supported rape.

Emusan:


Now you resulted to 'ELEMENTS OF RAPE' but your claim initially was that there's a RAPE in the BIBLE which you even said with boldness when you quoted those verse in the Bible as "Rape verses:" shouldn't this furnish us with the reality that you just made a false accusation about the Holy Bible?

Then you went further to define RAPE @bolded, please with sincerity show me where any woman was sexually abuse without their consent in those verse?
Remember we have verses in the Bible that talk about sexual immorality of some people, so don't think maybe the author of those book deliberately hide this act in the verses you quoted.

The OP is a Muslim but if what we read in the Bible is the way history wrote about Muhammad I believe no man will say Muhammad supported rape.

Except you deny there were no elements of Rape. Would you deny an shape with three sides is not a triangle?!

The women that are taken off as war booty, were definitely not taken by their consent. One of the verses stresses on forcible marriages. The truth is, you wish to remain blind to the primitive corruption of your little Bible. The soldiers were advised to commit rape, ravishing women without their consent, is rape; stealing them is rape; because the Bible coveteously avoided the dreaded word -- rape, does not diminish the facts.

Kay17:

Except you deny there were no elements of Rape. Would you deny an shape with three sides is not a triangle?!

The women that are taken off as war booty, were definitely not taken by their consent. One of the verses stresses on forcible marriages. The truth is, you wish to remain blind to the primitive corruption of your little Bible. The soldiers were advised to commit rape, ravishing women without their consent, is rape; stealing them is rape; [size=14pt]because the Bible covetously avoided the dreaded word -- rape, does not diminish the facts.[/size]

The @bold part is what I need and thank God you made the statement.

Now you're saying "Bible COVETOUSLY AVOIDED the DREADED word -- RAPE, whereas people like you will be accusing the same Bible of incest

So the truth remains the same you have falsely accused Bible with that word.

You also said "one of the verses STRESSES on forcible marriages" Can you tell us what this verse STRESSES out about the forcible marriage? If you're honesty enough.

Emusan:


The @bold part is what I need and thank God you made the statement.

Now you're saying "Bible COVETOUSLY AVOIDED the DREADED word -- RAPE, whereas people like you will be accusing the same Bible of incest

So the truth remains the same you have falsely accused Bible with that word.

You also said "one of the verses STRESSES on forcible marriages" Can you tell us what this verse STRESSES out about the forcible marriage? If you're honesty enough.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14
When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

Lets start with that. Isn't forcible marriage a form of rape? At least the husband in such a marriage enjoys the sexual benefits but note, these benefits were not given out voluntarily. First of all, you denied such a verse existing, but I hope you are shamed to see this exist. Second of all, if you find nothing wrong with forcible marriages like this, then you admittedly endorse such marriages in our modern times. So if a man steals your sister and forces her into a marriage endorsed by the Christian God, and forcibly derives sexual pleasure from such a marriage, would you approve of it?!