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Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by TheEnygma(m): 9:22pm On Oct 09, 2021 |
typicalgamer:The problem isn't with the directors but with the executives at Warner Bros. Zack Snyder (the genius behind the first 3 movies ; Man of Steel, BVS and ZS Justice league) had a very good plan originally set out but those executives kept on interfering and ruining most of his ideas because they wanted him to follow the MCU style of making movies. The most annoying thing they did was taking a movie (Justice league) he had done half way and giving it to Joss Whedon to complete who completely ruined the movie that the fans had to campaign for Four years for the studios to allow Snyder to give his own version of the movie. (Which he did and it turned out much better than the earlier version). As at currently , Zack Snyder the man who Kickstarted their movie universe has been sacked by them. The reason why the DC animation produce better content is because the WB executives aren't really paying much attention to the animation studios because the animations don't bring as much money as the live action movies. The difference between the DCEU and The MCU is that Marvel studios always try to give the fans what they want and always try to know what the fans are expecting which is why their movie franchise is so successful, while DC executives at WB are only interested in making money to catch up with the competition. Bottom line is that most of the problems aren't the directors fault but the executives. 6 Likes |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by TheEnygma(m): 9:29pm On Oct 09, 2021 |
TheKingIsHere:I don't care what people say but Ben Affleck will always be my favorite Batman.... The guy really nailed the role. The irony there is that I was among the people who criticized his casting online when it was first announced . But immediately I saw his performance on Batman V Superman especially that "Knightmare Scene" where he dreamt of flash telling him that Lois lane is the key... I completely fell in love with the character all over again. 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 10:44pm On Oct 09, 2021 |
phr0nesis:He didn't. He was all judgmental. Cold and all moral. That isn't flawed. I was thinking maybe he would almost be at the brink of killing Joker before Superman ultimately did then Batman will try to cover up the murder by Superman or something like that. I just hated how Batman was just so saint like without being relatable. Dude, your worst enemy just killed the wife of your best friend and you are protecting him? That's Mary Sue-ish. An all perfect character. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 10:50pm On Oct 09, 2021 |
TheEnygma:Ben Affleck Batman is the reason I will like the character. If not I hate Batman. The dceu story and Affleck humanized him and made him relatable. He wasn't all broody or calculating every time or self righteous. He acted like an actual person. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by phr0nesis(m): 7:19am On Oct 10, 2021 |
Minemrys:That part disappointed me. I expected joker's teeth to be all over the place instead he was there listening to gists. In hush (I think) when batman assumed joker killed one unknown friend of his, he almost killed joker. Risking other league members' life just to protect criminals was a flaw for me. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 8:03am On Oct 10, 2021 |
phr0nesis: Don't mind Minemrys, who was supposed to stand against Superman for the story to progress if they had written Batman how they did in Hush or BVS? Batman is always you people's sacrificial lamb and he does it with soomuch aplomb..the best comic book character ever 2 Likes |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Nickshrapnel: 9:04am On Oct 10, 2021 |
typicalgamer:Thanks man |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 11:12am On Oct 10, 2021 |
pu7pl3:I wasn't saying he should be pro Superman, I mean there were better ways and more relatable ways to do it. The story just presented Batman as the ultimate do gooder without empathy towards Superman's pain. I wish they didn't do the scene where Batman was trying to save those psychotics, harlequin should have been jailed by Batman himself. That's my probs with Batman, he is written more as a plot convenience. His character is just made to further the story, which makes him less relatable. Look at wonder woman, she did empathize with Superman till she saw how wrong she was. I was expecting a moment of compromise from Batman till he realizes he was letting emotions get in the way. That's what draws audience and the story would have been better, and we would have appreciated Batman more. I said it some time ago, Batman is not a hero, atleast the way DC writes him. He enjoys fighting his villains, he loves them. Well, that's for the Bruce Wayne version. I love the Thomas Wayne own more, he isn't a Mary Sue. 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 11:14am On Oct 10, 2021 |
phr0nesis:I disagree here. It wasn't a flaw just a plot convenience like how doomsday is something to kill Superman. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 12:53pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Minemrys: this is just your view and with all due respect it's hogwash, Batman didn't go through the amount of training both mentally and physically that he went through to let emotions cloud his judgements, his judgements are purely logical... That's why it was mostly the intelligent leaguers that stood against Superman (Mr Terrific and Palmer) 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by phr0nesis(m): 1:57pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Minemrys:Mary Sue should have known that he, Nightwing and Green arrow were no match for Superman, Wonder woman, and Cyclop |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by phr0nesis(m): 2:02pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
pu7pl3:He has already said it, he hates Batman. Batman and Spiderman were the only reason I watch Superhero movies |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 2:07pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
phr0nesis: Mine was solely Batman...I knew many other characters but Batman was just the coolest to me And Black has always been my favourite colour 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Nickshrapnel: 2:29pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Then why are you pu7pl3? |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Kaycee7(m): 2:44pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Thunder sha fire Batman for denying us this fight 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 4:13pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
phr0nesis:Nope, on the contrary, a Mary Sue is a character that is perfect and does things to jump the shark. Batman has everything worked out, cause he is Batman. Totally unrelatable. The character is there when the plot needs him to, he does things the plot needs him to even if it's totally out of character or over the top. He is Batman. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 4:22pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Of course, but that doesn't change the fact he is still human. It's what Nolan and Snyder gets right. Cause he trained himself to mental heights doesn't mean he shouldn't be human. That's the flaw I am talking about. Not this excuse of Batman can beat anyone cause he did eons of training, lol. Yea, I get I am speaking hogwash but it's what you get when you try very hard to relate to a character. Batman obviously has no weakness, like how do I relate with that? Aside that, the film was great but I will appreciate if DC writers wrote Batman as a human not a plot device. If you look at the film again, you would see he was everywhere the plot needed him to be, to the extent he had CCtv spying on green arrow in the arrow cave. As in, what the hell? I know Batman is paranoid but come on, that is so out of character, lol. 2 Likes |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 4:34pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Of course, I expected them to stay against Superman cause none of them knew Clark like Batman and Diana did. And even at that, I loved how mister T tried to point out to Superman how he couldn't save everyone using his methodology by bringing to point cigarettes smokers, drunk drivers and all while still empathizing with Superman. But bats knew his villains killed this man's wife and kid, I was expecting the moment where he will momentarily accept the code was flawed and he should have been the one to kill joker and Harley but he can't cause he would then be the one the world would need to fear. Those kind of talks and momentary human actions that show a character not a plot device, you know. Bats barely did anything to punish joker or Harley. He even had green lantern protect Harley and have her roaming free. Not very intelligent if you ask me. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 4:39pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
phr0nesis:Actually I am more a Spiderman fan. He is so relatable. Then there's Superman who I kinda relate with somehow. Many DC characters are relatable safe for bats who writers thought to make cool. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 9:32pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 9:48pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Minemrys: it's not out of character, you just haven't been paying attention And Nolan's Batman was also like that to the extent that Lucius got scared and wanted out... If you want to nit pick and look for flaws in Batman's character look at how he treats his wards and kids for starters or how he doesn't have time for the women in his life |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 9:54pm On Oct 10, 2021 |
Minemrys: The same Batman that makes an Anti-virus and tests it on himself first is who you're disrespecting like this You are fvcking up |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 12:30am On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Nope. Nolan's Batman acts like an actual person. Trust me, what he did, tech billionaires do it. How he treats his kids also shows how unrelatable he is. A person who went through what he did as a child would treat similar kids better. Batman is written like a robot, too much. I guess the woman part is the only thing that makes him relatable. They really need to stop making that character the center of everything. Make him act human. Truth be told, what really sells Batman stories are his villains. Not the character itself. 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 12:31am On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Another Mary Sue characteristic. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 12:34am On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:But that arrow cave spyware really put me off the story so much. I mean, why watch green arrow in his cave? It makes no sense. Then that means he has a spy cam to watch Clark having sex with Lois or Arthur on top of Mera. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 6:35am On Oct 11, 2021 |
Minemrys: Minemrys: more lies, Nolan's Batman doesn't do things like a normal person would bruh unless you didn't see the same movie,I gave you one example..another one was how he got out of that cave after Bane broke his back and still made it back to America just in time to save the day, and there are many more... you need to stop hating bruh...Batman treats those kids that way cos he wants them to be strong, no matter the amount of love he has for them he still wants them to be strong cos they were all broken kids before he met them...why would you not make the most popular character in your company the center of most stories And every superhero is made more interesting by their villain but Batman is the reason why his own villains are cool And as for the spying thing, that's classic Batsy, he keeps tabs on everything and he has plans and contingency plans for every JL member cos of how meticulous he is...you need to rest |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 6:37am On Oct 11, 2021 |
Minemrys: The hypocrisy here is that even Flash and Spiderman have done this more times than Batsy but to you they are not Mary Sues Please... |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 12:54pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Am not talking about their respective powers bro. If na that one, na flash own vex me pass. Am talking about, them acting like a real person in real circumstances, being vulnerable, exhibiting human characteristics, flaws, hindrances. Not being 100 percent, all knowing, all super and whatever the story wants. You see Spiderman having daily troubles, decisions and flaws, sometimes he goes against his uncle's words and acts irresponsible and comes back to correct himself. Peter is a dynamic character, likewise Barry Allen, Wally or Bart. But Bruce Wayne is just there, cause he is Batman. All knowing, all powerful, has all the answers, alpha and Omega, super, cool all in one. Haba. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 1:01pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
Minemrys: you didn't get my point...Barry is more self righteous than Bruce, he does things that no matter how good you are you wouldn't do especially for someone you are not even related to...but to you he is more relatable than Batman for some reason Just say you don't read Batman, Alfred is his father figure and Batman is always constantly going against him and later correcting himself when he realises Alfred is right |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 1:04pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Nolan films usually have plot holes like in TDKR, how did bane and his crew get motorcycles into the bank or wall Street without anyone knowing? Or how it became night all of a sudden. But batbale did what a normal human does. He wasn't all knowing, he had emotions and exhibited them. As for the tabs thing, I get he should. Of course he is a business man and all business people have back up plans but spying on the league and their various work of life is just doing what the plot wants him to. It's way overboard. And out of character. Going by how it is, Batman need not care much about green arrow as he isn't a threat and even at that, he probably should have alot to worry about than a vigilante of star city. 1 Like |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by Minemrys: 1:06pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
pu7pl3:Actually, Batman is made to look cool cause of his villains. |
Re: DC EXTENDED UNIVERSE (FILM) by pu7pl3(m): 1:09pm On Oct 11, 2021 |
Minemrys: Oliver Queen, the richest Billionaire in star city that has faced universal threats and survived is not a threat? Funny enough in Deceased he was offended that Batman didn't have a contingency plan for him incase he went rogue and it was his babe Dinah that was trying to calm him down.... And now you're saying Nolan's movies always have plot holes What you're just doing is running around in circles, you just don't know why you hate Batman and that's cool but stop making up stuff just to suit your narrative |
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