AS STATED BY THE BIBLE THAT JESUS CHRIST SAID "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT TTHROUGH ME"
MY QUESTION IS'WHAT BECOMES OF THE MUSLIM,BUDHIST,TIBETANS AND OTHER RELIGIONS, WILL THEY PERISH? PLEASE CONSTRUCTIVE OPINIONS PLEASE

logicman:
AS STATED BY THE BIBLE THAT JESUS CHRIST SAID "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT TTHROUGH ME"
MY QUESTION IS'WHAT BECOMES OF THE MUSLIM,BUDHIST,TIBETANS AND OTHER RELIGIONS, WILL THEY PERISH? PLEASE CONSTRUCTIVE OPINIONS PLEASE

Did the bible mention any of these other religion u just mentioned?

THE BIBLE DIDNT MENTIN THEM, AND THE BIBLE NEVER MADE ANY PROVISION FOR THEM OR MAYBE IT WAS AN EXEMPTION,HENCE I AM WONDERING WHAT WILL BE THE FATE OF OTHER RELIGIONS, I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE THOUGH, I AM HERE TO LEARN.

You read well.

That is what it says. Jesus has claimed to be the only way to the father. It logically follows that all other ways cannot lead to the Father.

logicman:
THE BIBLE DIDNT MENTIN THEM, AND THE BIBLE NEVER MADE ANY PROVISION FOR THEM OR MAYBE IT WAS AN EXEMPTION,HENCE I AM WONDERING WHAT WILL BE THE FATE OF OTHER RELIGIONS, I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE THOUGH, I AM HERE TO LEARN.

If they don't go through THAT WAY then they'll all perish

An2elect2:


If they don't go through THAT WAY then they'll all perish

is that why many perished in nepal? Or it's a result of it...

davien:
is that why many perished in nepal? Or it's a result of it...

am talking of eternal punishment and you are talking of
nepal? pls stick to the topic

An2elect2:


am talking of eternal punishment and you are talking of
nepal? pls stick to the topic

So your god see it fine to punish them eternally because they chose the wrong belief?

An2elect2:

am talking of eternal punishment and you are talking of nepal? pls stick to the topic

Is it right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

johnydon22:


Is it right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

finite sin? pls where did you get that from? can you quote the passage in the bible where sin is described as finite pls?

johnydon22:

Is it right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

Okay let me just say i didn't see the finite.
Is it right? you asked. Who determines what is right?

An2elect2:


finite sin? pls where did you get that from? can you quote the passage in the bible where sin is described as finite pls?

Am sure you know what Finite means.

Now human life is finite because it ends, at most 100 years or more.

Now you think it is right to punish a sin committed in a life span of 100 or

200 years even 10,000 years with a punishment that spans eternity?

Is this really justice to you?

An2elect2:


Okay let me just say i didn't see the finite.

Is it right? you asked. Who determines what is right?

. . Lmao, so you cannot determine what you think to be right?. . Then it is right to say you are not human.

Speaking as a human with empathy; Do you see it ok by you to punish a finite sin with an infinte punishment?

johnydon22:


. . Lmao, so you cannot determine what you think to be right?. . Then it is right to say you are not human.

Speaking as a human with empathy; Do you see it[b] ok by you[/b] to punish a finite sin with an infinte punishment?

As a christian, which is my first identity, i uphold what my God has said is right. And all my thoughts and opinions and beliefs are aligned to the word of God. And i live for His glory

At 1st bolded. What i think can never supersede what is. If i think i will make an A in a course and i eventually make a B. Does it matter again that i thought i would score A?

2nd bold: Did i set the rule? The God that i serve is a holy God and cannot behold iniquity.

And i noticed you think sin is an act. Not. It is the nature of all men as a result of the fall of Adam. Simply put, sin is not just an act but a nature. We are sin ourselves.

When God says no to evil for ever, He is also saying no to evil doers for ever.

davien:
is that why many perished in nepal? Or it's a result of it...

If you know secondary school science, you will know what NATURAL disasters are.

While you are at it, blame God for:

1) Baltimore riots
2) Xenophobic South African Attacks
3) War in Yemen
4) Drug smugglers executed in Indonesia
5) Hey how about Boko Haram
6) or Global warming
7) How about petrol scarcity or subsidy
- ASUU strike?

Dude, Get wisdom.

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." - Proverb:4:7

johnydon22:


Am sure you know what Finite means.

Now human life is finite because it ends, at most 100 years or more.

Now you think it is right to punish a sin committed in a life span of 100 or

200 years even 10,000 years with a punishment that spans eternity?

Is this really justice to you?

The bible talks of an everlasting punishment of sinners. And says they'll burn day and night, for ever and ever. If i understand that right, it is saying an unending punishment for sin.

I don't know how that is going to happen but i know the bible does not teach annihilation of men's souls.

Now, the bible says God is not pleased with the death of a sinner and it is not something i should rejoice over too. But God cannot compromise His standards which are borne out of His nature. Its either God compromises His holy nature and takes back His Word (which can never happen) or He stands by what He is: unchanging.

An2elect2:


As a christian, which is my first identity, i uphold what my God has said is right. And all my thoughts and opinions and beliefs are aligned to the word of God. And i live for His glory

This shows a typical religious mindset. . . So even when you find something not right to you as long as your god indulges in it then it is right. . . This shows you dont really have a basis of human morality. . .

An2elect2:

At 1st bolded. What i think can never supersede what is. If i think i will make an A in a course and i eventually make a B. Does it matter again that i thought i would score A?

Can you cut the chase and say if you find it to be right or not.

An2elect2:

2nd bold: Did i set the rule? The God that i serve is a holy God and cannot behold iniquity.

You basically lack independent basis of morality.

I take it to mean that if you see somewhere in the bible where it stipulates killing is ok (even tho many verses says this) then automatically killing must be moral to you. .

From the way you are avoiding the question, am sure you find the situation to be unjust from your own human perspective but since god is doing it, and in other not to defy him then it must be right.

This was exactly how one of you told me in one of my threads that "The infacticide committed in the flood fable must be good" I think their is need for re-evaluation of your moral foundation.

An2elect2:

And i noticed you think sin is an act. Not. It is the nature of all men as a result of the fall of Adam. Simply put, sin is not just an act but a nature. We are sin ourselves.

So human nature is sin? You people need to check what is it you really worship, is it an imaginary guilt sold to you or fear.

A god that blames the sin of one man on every other lacks basic morality. It still begs the question, Is it right to blame another for the sin of another?

And human nature being sin, it is right then to say your god created sin.

An2elect2:

When God says no to evil for ever, He is also saying no to evil doers for ever.

And so it is right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment yes?

I think even with the same yardstick human morality is measured this god failed in it.

If it is agreed other religions would perish, can we safely assume it is their fault if they perish as a muslim,monk or whatever religion they believe in?

An2elect2:


The bible talks of an everlasting punishment of sinners. And says they'll burn day and night, for ever and ever. If i understand that right, it is saying an unending punishment for sin.

I don't know how that is going to happen but i know the bible does not teach annihilation of men's souls.

Now, the bible says God is not pleased with the death of a sinner and it is not something i should rejoice over too. But God cannot compromise His standards which are borne out of His nature. Its either God compromises His holy nature and takes back His Word (which can never happen) or He stands by what He is: unchanging.

The bolded is exactly what am saying. . .

Justice means when a punishment fits the crime. Would you punish your child for a year for a sin he committed in a day? or let me rephrase it. . Would you burn your child for 24 hours over an offense he committed in a minute?

How then do you find it right and just to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

johnydon22:


The bolded is exactly what am saying. . .

Justice means when a punishment fits the crime. Would you punish your child for a year for a sin he committed in a day? or let me rephrase it. . Would you burn your child for 24 hours over an offense he committed in a minute?

How then do you find it right and just to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment?

You don't get it.

To sin is to rebel against God. And a direct affront to His Sovereignty! We are not talking of a creature doing harm to another creature but sin against the Creator. What right or power do we really have to harm people in the most gruesome way for a petty crime they committed? none. We are all at the mercy of God. And in God's eyes, we all fall short equally.

You are viewing sin in a shallow way. Well, you are an atheist after all and as far as you are concerned sin is mere wrong doing and nothing much and therefore should be "merely punished"

But look, sin is more than that. I will tell you why. Mercy is given to Him that ask! Sin causes men NOT TO ASK for mercy. When God said seek me and you will find me, He means everything that He said. That is the only way to find God is to seek Him. Now, the eternal punishment rests on those who will never ask God for mercy or seek Him. And since they will never do this, they will have to bear the consequences of never doing it. Is this logical? yes.

God does not forgive men for nothing. Mercy must go with Justice and none will surpass the other.

An2elect2:


The bible talks of an everlasting punishment of sinners. And says they'll burn day and night, for ever and ever. If i understand that right, it is saying an unending punishment for sin.

I don't know how that is going to happen but i know the bible does not teach annihilation of men's souls.

Now, the bible says God is not pleased with the death of a sinner and it is not something i should rejoice over too. But God cannot compromise His standards which are borne out of His nature. Its either God compromises His holy nature and takes back His Word (which can never happen) or He stands by what He is: unchanging.

Will you rely on your senses that God can't change?

Or,you stand firmly to what others have said so far on God's immutability?

If you don't know ''God in himself,'' which is clearly possible,how then is it fair to acclaimed God's unchangeability?

johnydon22:
This shows a typical religious mindset. . . So even when you find something not right to you as long as your god indulges in it then it is right. . . This shows you dont really have a basis of human morality. . .

God is the basis of all human morality. He has placed in all men a law/ conscience that subconciously guides us in knowing what is right and wrong in our natural environment.

I do not find it wrong for God to punish sin eternally. In short it is very right for God to do so going by who He is and what sin is.

johnydon22:

Can you cut the chase and say if you find it to be right or not.
You basically lack independent basis of morality.

Ive answered this. Yes. And lol at "independent basis of morality" When there is God ?

johnydon22:

I take it to mean that if you see somewhere in the bible where it stipulates killing is ok (even tho many verses says this) then automatically killing must be moral to you. .

My God is not a minister of sin and Christianity upholds morality to its peak. The old testament was a symbol of the new. You wont understand that.

johnydon22:

From the way you are avoiding the question, am sure you find the situation to be unjust from your own human perspective but since god is doing it, and in other not to defy him then it must be right.

huhuhuhuhu

johnydon22:

This was exactly how one of you told me in one of my threads that "The infacticide committed in the flood fable must be good" I think their is need for re-evaluation of your moral foundation.

Everything that happened then was for a purpose and men do not deserve to live the next second. Your being alive, is because God is good and merciful not because you are good humanist or moralist. LOL. If God should judge you based on what you have done now, it is goodbye to you.

johnydon22:

So human nature is sin? You people need to check what is it you really worship, is it an imaginary guilt sold to you or fear.

A god that blames the sin of one man on every other lacks basic morality. It still begs the question, Is it right to blame another for the sin of another?

And human nature being sin, it is right then to say your god created sin.


And so it is right to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment yes?

I think even with the same yardstick human morality is measured this god failed in it.

And there you go. bla bla bla

NumberOne2:


If you know secondary school science, you will know what NATURAL disasters are.

While you are at it, blame God for:

1) Baltimore riots
2) Xenophobic South African Attacks
3) War in Yemen
4) Drug smugglers executed in Indonesia
5) Hey how about Boko Haram
6) or Global warming
7) How about petrol scarcity or subsidy
- ASUU strike?

Dude, Get wisdom.

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." - Proverb:4:7

Did I blame "god" to begin with? Or merely asked a follow-up question?
Try to keep up with semantics...

logicman:
If it is agreed other religions would perish, can we safely assume it is their fault if they perish as a muslim,monk or whatever religion they believe in?

We don't have to blame them.We shall blame human ethics,human nature and the environment we find ourselves rathers....

Humans can never be free from fears bred and petted by the environment.Human nature will by-judge ideas by the light of what they fear the most and what they love the most.

LuckyG1:


Will you rely on your senses that God can't change?

Or,you stand firmly to what others have said so far on God's immutability?

If you don't know ''God in himself,'' which is clearly possible,how then is it fair to acclaimed God's unchangeability?

You came to the conclusion that i don't know God in Himself. And now you want me to answer your question based on your assumed and of course false premise? mr pls ask me if i know God in Himself first.

An2elect2:


am talking of eternal punishment and you are talking of
nepal? pls stick to the topic

How's about you stick to your own words instead of hiding behind the topic.....
Even still, why should there be a need for eternal punishment if by your belief "god" is "all-merciful"?

An2elect2:


You don't get it.

To sin is to rebel against God. And a direct affront to His Sovereignty! We are not talking of a creature doing harm to another creature but sin against the Creator. What right or power do we really have to harm people in the most gruesome way for a petty crime they committed? none. We are all at the mercy of God. And in God's eyes, we all fall short equally.

Rebelling is an act,same you said in a post above that "sin is a nature an not an act" I think you don't even grasp what is it you believe. . or do you adopt different definitions at different times to suit your point at that particular moment?.

So you are not even talking about moral/immoral act against fellow humans . . .

An2elect2:


You are viewing sin in a shallow way. Well, you are an atheist after all and as far as you are concerned sin is mere wrong doing and nothing much and therefore should be "merely punished"

A moral act: Is one that decreases individual human suffering, and/or betters the societal well being, justice, freedom and equality.

An immoral act: Is one that increases individual human suffering and is a detriment to societal well being, justice, freedom and equality.

A sin: Is one that violates religious doctrines or "god's will" whether that act is moral or not.

That you consider something a sin has no moral weight on it.

In the human society an immoral act is punished squarely but even this basic human justice shows humans are far better in handling moral matters than your god.

An2elect2:

But look, sin is more than that. I will tell you why. Mercy is given to Him that ask! Sin causes men NOT TO ASK for mercy. When God said seek me and you will find me, He means everything that He said. That is the only way to find God is to seek Him. Now, the eternal punishment rests on those who will never ask God for mercy or seek Him. And since they will never do this, they will have to bear the consequences of never doing it. Is this logical? yes.

So it is logically right for ur god to eternally punish the ones that dont beg for forgiveness, you see such egoistic act is Narcissism and Narcissism is a character flaw.
From all you said up there it is clear that its all about ego. . . Am sure you wouldn't forgive ur child unless he asks.

Everything you are saying shows you dont even regard human morality but your god's ego.

An2elect2:

God does not forgive men for nothing. Mercy must go with Justice and none will surpass the other.

Mercy and Justice can never go together.

Justice is punishment for a fitted crime

mercy is forgoing justice.

Yet ur god's action falls in neither. . . Eternal punishment doesnt fit a finite sin therefore not justice.

Punishment is not mercy there it still evades mercy.

logicman:
If it is agreed other religions would perish, can we safely assume it is their fault if they perish as a muslim,monk or whatever religion they believe in?

Yes we can safely agree that it is their fault if they perish. All men deserve to perish anyway cos of our sin/sins. But all those who seek God would find mercy.

Sin is our own doing not God's. And so we deserve alienation from God for it. johnydon22

An2elect2:


Yes we can safely agree that it is their fault if they perish. All men deserve to perish anyway cos of our sin/sins. But all those who seek God would find mercy.

Sin is our own doing not God's. And so we deserve alienation from God for it. johnydon22

If it's "god" that decides what "sin" is and it's repercussion then how isn't it "god's" doing?

An2elect2:


You came to the conclusion that i don't know God in Himself. And now you want me to answer your question based on your assumed and of course false premise? mr pls ask me if i know God in Himself first.

Do you know me in myself?

davien:
How's about you stick to your own words instead of hiding behind the topic.....
Even still, why should there be a need for eternal punishment if by your belief "god" is "all-merciful"?

huhuhuhu

Did i derail? oh sorry o. I said something about eternal punishment and you jumped in from no where to attack.

Do you know the meaning of "all merciful"? maybe you should check where it is used in the bible and come back and tell me its contextual usage.

Am a Christian and i will not really on your limited knowledge of my infinite and invincible God.

An2elect2:

God is the basis of all human morality. He has placed in all men a law/ conscience that subconciously guides us in knowing what is right and wrong in our natural environment.

lmao, even when he lacks basic morality himself.
With our own human morality we find it immoral to punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment, so ur god fails woefully compared to a basic human sense of morality.

Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. It depends on no book, creed or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.

An2elect2:

I do not find it wrong for God to punish sin eternally. In short it is very right for God to do so going by who He is and what sin is.

[size=20] There we have it. . . Congratulations for that [/size] You just proved my assertion that you lack basic human morality.

An2elect2:

Ive answered this. Yes. And lol at "independent basis of morality" When there is God ?

Well judging from what i see your sense of morality learnt from this god is very sick. . . I find it unimaginable that a human could conceive others burning forever and be fine with that, you have no right to ever criticize anybody who hurts fellow humans with this your type of mindset because yours is worse.

An2elect2:

My God is not a minister of sin and Christianity upholds morality to its peak. The old testament was a symbol of the new. You wont understand that.

Oh yes just like your god wiped out all the little children in the world, thats a very good show of morality there.

An2elect2:

huhuhuhuhu

Everything that happened then was for a purpose and men do not deserve to live the next second. Your being alive, is because God is good and merciful not because you are good humanist or moralist. LOL. If God should judge you based on what you have done now, it is goodbye to you.

And there you go. bla bla bla

This is the part i shake my head and #Sighs.