italo:


Show me where Ancient Greeks ever proved that the earth was round...for starters.

Let's see who is ignorant.

To kill this once and for all..

"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC,
when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter
of philosophical speculation [size=20] until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.[/size]
" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Lets hope you also know hellenistic refers to greek....Further shows you philosophy is birth parent of science..

Now choose the ignorant one between us

italo:


Yet the Albanian constitution said the state pursues an Atheist propaganda.



And it killed for that purpose.

Remains a political agenda boy. . . Anything constitutional is governmental and political, deal with it

italo:
Now this sounds like Atheism is a doctrine, Johnydon22.

johnydon22:
Its a clear misconception on her part of which is obvious..

Whether someone is good or bad has no effect or anything to do with atheism...anybody's behaviour GOOD or BAD is sorely their doing..

Atheist simply means "This guy disbelieves the existence of deities

freecocoa:
It's not a misconception

I am telling him that a group of atheists deciding to do something and tag it a result of atheism does not make it true, since he(Italo)is ignorant of the meaning of atheism, let's just sarcastically assume.

No one can do anything in the name of atheism is what am saying.

johnydon22:
In this you are very correct i loudly concur meaning the misconception stems from mine and his part.

freecocoa:
It's not a misconception

I am telling him that a group of atheists deciding to do something and tag it a result of atheism does not make it true, since he(Italo)is ignorant of the meaning of atheism, let's just sarcastically assume.

No one can do anything in the name of atheism is what am saying.

The only thing you are allowed to do associated with atheism, is not believe in God.

johnydon22:
In this you are very correct i loudly concur meaning the misconception stems from mine and his part.

italo:
@ Johnydon22, you said I was naive, ignorant etc...

You said the ancient Greeks used the ingredients of the modern scientific method...and they knew that the earth was round.

I asked you to show me where the ancient Greeks ever proved scientifically that the earth was round.

You suddenly went silent.

Can we then agree that you're the one who speaks in ignorance and naivete?

Or you're still looking for the evidence?

marcondo13:
I laugh in Swahilli when I read that syphilitic Adolf Hitler was excommunicated by the Catholic Church! Pope Pius get that liver to do am. Maybe, you have forgotten about the Concordat of Rome which was signed with Mussolini which ceded lands that comprises the Vatican today in exchange for State control of the schools and other rights! If the Catholic Church tried that bullshit on Hitler, the consequence would have been catastrophic. The
Church signed the Reichskonkordat with Hitler and they never protested when the Jews were maltreated. They complained when the rights of Catholics were trampled on, leading to protest from the Church,included in the 1937 Mit brennender Sorge encyclical of Pope Pius XI. Hitler was backed to the end by the Black pope, Vladimir Lechochowski, the superior general of the Jesuit order!
The Vatican was the last State to break ties with Nazism. Try to read Hitler's book, Mein Kampf and Understand the ideology behind Nazism, if it was not Catholic in essence! I am not a Catholic basher but I dislike religious supremacists!
Stop turning history on its head!

johnydon22:
Let me repost the same answer again, seeing that you have asserted ancient greek thought the world was flat, lets me thrash it out once and for all.
"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC,
when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter
of philosophical speculation [size=16] until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.[/size]
" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
Lets hope you also know hellenistic refers to greek....Further shows you philosophy is birth parent of science..
Now choose the ignorant one between us

italo:


I don't see anywhere you proved that the Greeks scientifically proved that the earth was round.

Maybe it miraculously got deleted.

Would you be kind enough to repost the evidence Sir?

Thank you.

italo:

Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.

"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC,
when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy, but remained a matter
of philosophical speculation [size=16] until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.[/size]
" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Lets hope you also know hellenistic refers to greek....Further shows you philosophy is birth parent of science..

Now choose the ignorant one between us

italo:


1. Man has not advanced to anywhere. He has moved forward in some areas and moved backward in other areas.

2. What reason took rightful place?

3. I don't understand what you mean by religion being in agreement with all scientific discovery.

4. Science was practically invented by the Catholic Church. It also sponsored and nurtured it. The Church founded Europe's first universities. Catholics like Thomas Aquinas and Francis Bacon contributed to developing the scientific model. Father Georges Lemaitre was the first to propound the big bang theory. Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism; Friar Gregor Mendel (1822–84) pioneered genetics. Many pioneers in science were Catholic lay and even clergymen.

The Catholic Church built the civilization you value.

Jonathan:

johnydon22:
Remains a political agenda boy. . . Anything constitutional is governmental and political, deal with it

italo:
.

How did Hellenistic astronomy "establish" that the earth was spherical?

What was the process? Was it recorded? Can you demonstrate that the process was reproducable by any random scientist at the time

These are all compulsory ingredients of Science (the Scientific method) today.

Or did one or two Greek astronomers just say that they have "established" that the earth was spherical? And people accepted it because they were astronomers?

Hahahahaha and now you fall on this shabby defence?

Exactly the same way msgr Georges postulated the Big Bang, the same way Larmarck instigated evolutionary trend... Simply through OBSERVATIONS.

But again let me break it down to your level as to further reveal more of you shabby and desperate defence..

Notable greek philosophers who inferred the spherical earth are..

1)Plato: His works on the spherical earth analogy are well recorded in his book Timaeus..

2)Aristotle: Aristotle (384–322 BC) was Plato's prize student and "the mind of the
school". [18] Aristotle observed "there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus
which are not seen in the northerly regions." Since this could only happen on a
curved surface, he too believed Earth was a sphere "of no great size, for
otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly
apparent."..

You see Aristotle's conclusion was based on his usage of the scientific method of OBSERVATION of star constellations.... His works are also recorded in his book meteorology ..

You want argue more on it?

italo:

Ad hominem.
No answer to the argument...insult the person.

italo:


It was an Atheistic agenda...yes or no?

italo:


...which was done by the Spanish monarchy, not the Church.

adsonstone:


It is hypocrisy when you say the roman catholic church does/has done good and evil...and you list the good and refuse to list some of the numerous evil....and even claiming to be tired to list them only for you to return in less than 12 hours with other epistles of good.

adsonstone:

It is a lie when you allege that I'm trying to take the glory for another person's work.

adsonstone:

It is a lie when you say that the catholic church 'invented' science.

adsonstone:


It is a lie when you say Bacon 'invented' scientific methods when history has it that;
"Several scientific methods thus emerged from
the medieval Muslim world by the early 11th
century, all of which emphasized experimentation
as well as quantification to varying degrees."

- Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
History_of_scientific_method

Infact, scientific methods/science has been around for over 1500years BC.

adsonstone:


It is hypocrisy when you describe the work of priests who are scientists as 'the work of the roman Catholic church.' I wonder when a good individual work becomes the work of catholicism while evil works of priests remain their individual work.

adsonstone:


It is hypocrisy and self deceit when you refuse to claim that catholicism is christianity yet fail to prove that Kepler and Boyle were roman catholics.

adsonstone:


It is hypocrisy and self deceit to claim that catholicism is christianity and post that;

"According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a
review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes).[84] Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace,[85] 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics,[85] 62% in Medicine,[85] 54% in Economics[85] and 49.5% of all Literature awards.[85]"

Yet, you fail to prove that those 'Christians' were roman catholics.

italo:


I'm talking about Science in the modern sense of the word, which mainly refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed...with full observation, experimentation, verification, peer review etc

Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.

PAGAN9JA:


and sanction ed by the pope!

adsonstone:


See this shameless liar ooo;
You no dey ever tire?


"Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the Earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC, and knowledge of the spherical Earth gradually began to spread beyond the Hellenistic world from then on."

"Around 330 BC, Aristotle maintained on the basis of physical theory and observational evidence that the Earth was spherical, and reported on an estimate on the circumference."

- Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

...and you're somewhere there
, posting ignorantly and lying on Aristotle that he discovered that the earth was flat--without proof when history clearly says he accepted and maintained the idea of a spherical earth---based on observational evidence.

italo:
Forgive me. I meant to say "not the science that Aristotle used to prove that the earth was the Centre of the universe."

Now you can answer to the post.

Hahahahahahaha you are lying italo, what you implied; aristocratic philosophers thought the earth was flat was exactly what you meant... because you even advanced more to ask me more questions on Hellenistic spherical earth which sounded quite new to you...

Don't lie now, you can simply agree to the fact and change grounds without having to lie to cover your as$. that is "science" knowledge improves when new facts are uncovered..

johnydon22:
Obviously a Constitutional Bill just like Gay bill... I am not supposed to teach you government too

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha you are lying italo, what you implied; aristocratic philosophers thought the earth was flat was exactly what you meant... because you even advanced more to ask me more questions on Hellenistic spherical earth which sounded quite new to you...

Don't lie now, you can simply agree to the fact and change grounds without having to lie to cover your as$. that is "science" knowledge improves when new facts are uncovered..

senbonzakurakageyoshi:
Away from the whole distraction with ITalo's catholicism and denominational christianity and back to the main topic at hand:

I would like to think the main problem with modern African religion and the modern African religious construct is actually something ancient: fear. We are too afraid to question what we've been told. And funnily enough, that fear wasn't invented with Christianity or Islam - it was a part of the religions our forefathers adhered to. The gods in our traditional religions were swift, vengeful and ruthless. The chief priests held the people in awe of the gods' powers and threatened followers with punishment if they displeased the gods. And, of course, it was only convenient for those who brought us the religions we adhere to today to key into that already existing formula to achieve the same results. We modern religious adherents inherited that fear from our old religions and adapted it into modern religion. God is always hovering over our shoulders with a whip to hand out punishments whenever we default - especially when we refuse to believe in him. Which makes it no surprise that, in the same way our forebears had to offer sacrifices to keep the gods pleased and keep their blessings coming, modern African adherents have to sow seeds and make constant offerings to make God happy and keep his blessings coming. All this in spite of the fact that we still hold the creed that God is a benevolent, all-loving God.

Modern African religions, in my purview, are not religions in its purest form. It is an amalgamation of tenets of our old traditional religions (especially the use of fear to subjugate and control) and old European/Middle Eastern dogma all wrapped up in a modernist package. And till we learn to throw off that cloak of fear, that idea that God wants to remain hidden in a shroud of mystery and, as a results, we shouldn't ask questions, we will continue to fall victim to the negative aspects of religious beliefs.

johnydon22:
[b]Hahahahaha and now you fall on this shabby defence?

Exactly the same way msgr Georges postulated the Big Bang, the same way Larmarck instigated evolutionary trend... Simply through OBSERVATIONS.

But again let me break it down to your level as to further reveal more of you shabby and desperate defence..

Notable greek philosophers who inferred the spherical earth are..

1)Plato: His works on the spherical earth analogy are well recorded in his book Timaeus..

2)Aristotle: Aristotle (384–322 BC) was Plato's prize student and "the mind of the
school". [18] Aristotle observed "there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus
which are not seen in the northerly regions." Since this could only happen on a
curved surface, he too believed Earth was a sphere "of no great size, for
otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly
apparent."..

You see Aristotle's conclusion was based on his usage of the scientific method of OBSERVATION of star constellations.... His works are also recorded in his book meteorology ..

You want argue more on it? [/b]

shalomm:


Most of them never knew that communism started from the bible....

I have never had that a Russian man is seeking to migrate from Russia because he can't practice Christianity.