udezue:

That man was also paying taxes. Besides the useless government allowed it to happen. If they put  a stop the 1st time they wouldn't have the issue now.

What tax? People occupying illegal structure's like this man do not pay taxes, rent, electricity (which they tap from transformers the state govt put there for residence of that area), that is why the government does not have to compensate them beyond what is already doing. Fashola has already created micro financing facility for people to get free training for stuff like hair dressing, etc. and provide them with funds to start business.  I do not think the government can go beyond that with taxpayers money.

I think thats what the lagos state government is trying to do, put a stop to it, before it gets out of hand. I know its too late, but better late than never.

Before you know we would start seeing mechanic shops on third mainland bridge.

Why talk about his having seven kids? he never complained before his job was destroyed.
Even if he has 2 kids, it will still be difficult to feed them without a job.

Abegi. Like it is easy to turn from the giver to a begger.

asha 80:

Rubbish talk.

You wouldn't know an intelligent conversation even if it bit you in the arse.

agabaI23:

Which taxpayers? how many people pay tax in nigeria?

Maybe YOU don't pay taxes. But i do. You see how the American people are up in arms about the AIG fiasco? They have a very real connection to their money and they insist it's spent well. Maybe if we had a similar attitude in Nigeria things would have been a lot better.

tpia:

so, if someone says they're going to kill you for something you did to annoy them, their response is justified, right?

A father of 7 saying he's going to become an armed robber because his vulcanizer shop was demolished. A Nigerian stuffing drugs into their private parts and heading for Indonesia- its all justified because the Nigerian govt is so bad, right? You go to a bank overseas and immediately get scanned for 419 activity because your countrymen are notorious for scams. Thats all the govt's fault, of course.

What's this father of 7 teaching his children?  Instead of asking for assistance, he's threatening to become an armed robber? And some of you are here supporting him? But you wont do the same if it were an almajiri talking, right? If he heads up north to become an almajiri nko?

Is this the much vaunted culture we advertise abroad? And we wonder why other countries dont like us?

A clear conflation of the definite and the probable. The definite reality is that Jubril Ibrahim has been illegally dispossessed of his, until recently, legal source of income. The probable reality is that Jubril Ibrahim will be forced to take up arms.

It is revealing that in your world the probable event are more important, more relevant, than the definite. Had the wicked system in Nigeria that rewards criminals that steal billions, but punish poor people for stealing twenty naira was not supported by the numerous sycophants in Nigeria, Jubril Ibrahim would have been compensated for his loss. Even in the developed societies that we aim to be like, in our bid to develop Lagos, those who suffer from these kinds of losses are always compensated. Even people who lose their jobs or are unemployed are compensated. Have you ever asked yourself why?

It is well known, except to those too drunk from sipping the cruel rum that ensures the illegal treatment of their fellow human beings, that depriving a person of a legitimate means of livelihood considerably increases his/her likelihood of seeking illegitimate means of survival. Hence, the welfare systems in all the developed nations, from America, to Japan, to the UK and to the economic strongholds of mainland Europe. In Nigeria, however, we learn by reading only the odd pages of the book, ignoring the even pages! We want to develop Lagos, we copy a lot from developed nations, yet we conveniently forget to copy aspects of these development programs that are meant to compensate those negatively affected by such development programs. Then, when the expected consequences come to play, we still attack and crucify the dispossessed.

Shame on Nigeria! Shame on Lagos State! For allowing this type of inhumanity! Shame on all those who excuse such injustice!

agabaI23:

Which taxpayers? how many people pay tax in nigeria?

In Lagos more and more people are paying their taxes. The state government is going after people who are not, and more people are willing to pay becasue they are seeing what the state government is doing. After OBJ Withheld federal funds for Lagos, Tinubu stepped up tax payment in the state to get revenue and Fashola has gone further in implementing it. Companies, stores, markets are getting closed for not paying taxes.

You are right there is still a lot who don't pay.

agabaI23:

Why talk about his having seven kids? he never complained before his job was destroyed.
Even if he has 2 kids, it will still be difficult to feed them without a job.

Abegi. Like it is easy to turn from the giver to a begger.

And people wonder why i'm so cynical these days.
Welcome to Nigeria. Get away with an illegal act for some time and eventually you start feeling you're in the right!

Now answer this question: Just because he had been staying in an illegal shack since 1978, does that suddenly make it legal?

texazzpete:

Maybe YOU don't pay taxes. But i do. You see how the American people are up in arms about the AIG fiasco? They have a very real connection to their money and they insist it's spent well. Maybe if we had a similar attitude in Nigeria things would have been a lot better.

You mean the same America where those who made bad decisions (took out loans they could not afford) are right now having the government bail them out using tax payer’s money? You mean this same America where people with kids get more attention (section 8, food stamps and other benefits) from the government courtesy of the tax payer?  Well, considering you are against aiding the poor with tax payer money, I doubt you will want what we have here in Nigeria.

We are speaking of a Country where even homeless people get government help when needed. We are talking of free job help, access to food from the food bank and organizations such as churches and non-profits. Not to forget shelter service.

Pataki:

There is no way development is going to meet Lagos State, that certain foot will not be stepped on. Unfortunately, we live in a society where alternative planning and arrangement factoring 'risk assessment and management' are not been undertaken and compensation given to those who are 'negative' recipients to such development.

Good point. . . .

If Pa Ibrahim or whomever decides that, the easiest way to survive is by armed robbery, he would have himself to blame. It is a crime against the law, and there are consequences for such an action. If his brain can think of a negative means to earn his living, I am sure, there are more than one other alternative in positive thinking and development to Lagos State, as to how he can once again make his earning.

MINT!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Pa Ibrahim believes armed robbery is the next thing then he should be told there are a million trigger-happy cops in Nigeria ready to waste him.
Personally, i will be happy to miss him.

RichyBlacK:


A clear conflation of the definite and the probable. The definite reality is that Jubril Ibrahim has been illegally dispossessed of his, until recently, legal source of income. The probable reality is that Jubril Ibrahim will be forced to take up arms.

illegally dispossessed?! WTF?! Did you really just say that?
No one ever said his source of income was 'illegal'. His location was illegal. He is free to move anywhere else he can (legally!) and resume his trade there.

And you're wrong. He isn't 'forced' to take up arms. If every Nigerian with a sob story took up arms, where would we be?

We have a choice. Either drag this country of Neanderthals kicking and screaming into the 21st century, or stay here and wallow in mire. Kudos to fashola for making the right choice.

You wouldn't know an intelligent conversation even if it bit you in the arse.

And you think you know anything?

texazzpete:
There are reasons why we're in this shithole we find ourselves today. And one of them happens to be Nigerians' lack of appreciation for the concept of 'taxpayers money'.

Why should taxpayers' money be used to 'compensate' people who were breaking the law? Why should Fashola be derided for not showing a 'human face', when he's merely doing what we all need: zero tolerance to illegal acts?

Most people complaining here are outside the country. How many of them have attempted building shanty huts in public areas overseas?

It is irresponsible to insist that Fashola compensates these people. If the guy wants to go into armed robbery, that's his lookout.

One question for this defender of inhumanity: Was it illegal when he built his small shed in 1978?

The hopeless governments running the show in Nigeria have made foolish laws over the years, but want only the poor people to bear the brunt. I still remember when they displaced thousands with zero compensation by destroying Maroko, only for the rich fools to come in and develop the place with money stolen from the treasury!

As far as the structure was operating for over three decades, the structure is de facto legal! Hence, the morons running Lagos State should compensate him!

I don't understand how Nigerians use every bone in their body to support injustice when it affects "others", but scream like barbie dolls when the same injustice affects them.

Kobojunkie:


You mean the same America where those who made bad decisions (took out loans they could not afford) are right now having the government bail them out using tax payer’s money? You mean this same America where people with kids get more attention (section 8, food stamps and other benefits) from the government courtesy of the tax payer?  Well, considering you are against aiding the poor with tax payer money, I doubt you will want what we have here in Nigeria.

I never said i'm against aiding the poor. i'm against pandering to the demands of law breakers with taxpayers' money!! If fashola wants to go into any anti-poverty drive, fine by me. But no strident calls for compensation of illegals with my money  

and as you well know, the American public gets more say in how money is spent than here in Nigeria. Several Senators opposed the bailout packages simply because their constituents strongly opposed it.

texazzpete:

And people wonder why i'm so cynical these days.
Welcome to Nigeria. Get away with an illegal act for some time and eventually you start feeling you're in the right!

Now answer this question: Just because he had been staying in an illegal shack since 1978, does that suddenly make it legal?

Do you know how to address a particular in a conversation? My point was about people laughing at him because he has seven children. not about the legality of the position of his shop?

Talking about america, you think the government will destroy someone's livelihood without making it easy for the person have a relocation? Do you think they do not care about who has job and who does not? They know that if the guy loses his job, the burden of food stamp will be on them. what are even on about?

texazzpete:

Maybe YOU don't pay taxes. But i do. You see how the American people are up in arms about the AIG fiasco? They have a very real connection to their money and they insist it's spent well. Maybe if we had a similar attitude in Nigeria things would have been a lot better.

Bros easy! That you pay your tax does not mean that everybody pays his tax. Even in the so called civilised economy, how many people resigned from obama's cabinet because they they have dudgy tax issues.

In Nigeria, those who pay their taxes are civil servants and may be corporate organisation in some cases. Most of them like shell ow  arrears of their taxes.
As you indirectly wanted to know, i pay my taxes bro.

Fashiola is doing well but he is not God!

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texazzpete:

illegally dispossessed?! WTF?! Did you really just say that?
No one ever said his source of income was 'illegal'. His location was illegal. He is free to move anywhere else he can (legally!) and resume his trade there.

And you're wrong. He isn't 'forced' to take up arms. If every Nigerian with a sob story took up arms, where would we be?

We have a choice. Either drag this country of Neanderthals kicking and screaming into the 21st century, or stay here and wallow in mire. Kudos to fashola for making the right choice.

Balderdash!

Was it illegal all these three decades?

Why can't those pot-bellied goons running the show in Lagos, wearing expensive agbadas and driving armored-plated trucks for protection from the masses they've stolen from deem it fit to compensate Jubril Ibrahim? Vagabonds in power! _{(Fela Kuti was a prophet!)}

RichyBlacK:


A clear conflation of the definite and the probable. The definite reality is that Jubril Ibrahim has been illegally dispossessed of his, until recently, legal source of income. The probable reality is that Jubril Ibrahim will be forced to take up arms.

It is revealing that in your world the probable event are more important, more relevant, than the definite. Had the wicked system in Nigeria that rewards criminals that steal billions, but punish poor people for stealing twenty naira was not supported by the numerous sycophants in Nigeria, Jubril Ibrahim would have been compensated for his loss. Even in the developed societies that we aim to be like, in our bid to develop Lagos, those who suffer from these kinds of losses are always compensated. Even people who lose their jobs or are unemployed are compensated. Have you ever asked yourself why?

It is well known, except to those too drunk from sipping the cruel rum that ensures the illegal treatment of their fellow human beings, that depriving a person of a legitimate means of livelihood considerably increases his/her likelihood of seeking illegitimate means of survival. Hence, the welfare systems in all the developed nations, from America, to Japan, to the UK and to the economic strongholds of mainland Europe. In Nigeria, however, we learn by reading only the odd pages of the book, ignoring the even pages! We want to develop Lagos, we copy a lot from developed nations, yet we conveniently forget to copy aspects of these development programs that are meant to compensate those negatively affected by such development programs. Then, when the expected consequences come to play, we still attack and crucify the dispossessed.

Shame on Nigeria! Shame on Lagos State! For allowing this type of inhumanity! Shame on all those who excuse such injustice!

No, because they had legal jobs, in a legal company, approved by the government. And they had their salary deducted for unemployment. So they have a legal right to collect money from the government when they lose their jobs. Even in the countries that you are talking about, the taxpayers complain that government is taking their money to feed and help people who are living off the government. That is why when you ready about British government buying a woman of 5 kids, a 5 bedroom house, taxpayers are up in arms.

agabaI23:

Do you know how to address a particular in a conversation? My point was about people laughing at him because he has seven children. not about the legality of the position of his shop?

The position of his shop is not LEGAL.
Things that were legal in 1978 may not necessarily be LEGAL in 2009.
The decision makers in Lagos State in 78 are not the ones in power today. . . . .

RichyBlacK:


One question for this defender of inhumanity: Was it illegal when he built his small shed in 1978?


As far as the structure was operating for over three decades, the structure is de facto legal! Hence, the morons running Lagos State should compensate him!

I don't understand how Nigerians use every bone in their body to support injustice when it affects "others", but scream like barbie dolls when the same injustice affects them.

By your logic since successive governments in Lagos have turned a blind eye to Agberos, therefore agberos are legal!

I have the moral high ground to complain when injustice affects me, as i'm not involved in any illegal acts. Not in my housing, not at work, not the way i drive. . .NOTHING!

texazzpete:

I never said i'm against aiding the poor. i'm against pandering to the demands of law breakers with taxpayers' money!! If fashola wants to go into any anti-poverty drive, fine by me. But no strident calls for compensation of illegals with my money  

Well, let’s see here. The man has been in the same spot for well over 3 decades, right? If during all that time , government has come and gone but none declared him an illegal occupant until the present one, are you saying then that this man has ALWAYS been, according to you, a LAW BREAKER?  

I will tell you this, if he was here in the united states, for the fact that he has been in that same spot for well over 30 years, that is enough ground for him to sue any government to comes to evict him claiming he illegally occupied the space, but then again, we are talking of America here.

texazzpete:

and as you well know, the American public gets more say in how money is spent than here in Nigeria. Several Senators opposed the bailout packages simply because their constituents strongly opposed it.

Sure, the American public gets a say in how money is spent but guess what? The bailout still passed. People who lost their houses, because of bad decisions made, still get assistance, companies as well. Billions of tax payer money each year, goes to helping the poor in society, including those on the streets. Social Service industry is right now experiencing some sort of boom. Even more Billions have been released to help people who are unable to fend for themselves, federal aid is available to even business owners.

moneygurl:


No, because they had legal jobs, in a legal company, approved by the government. And they had their salary deducted for unemployment. So they have a legal right to collect money from the government when they lose their jobs. Even in the countries that you are talking about, the taxpayers complain that government is taking their money to feed and help people who are living off the government. That is why when you ready about British government buying a woman of 5 kids, a 5 bedroom house, taxpayers are up in arms.

you are comparing apples and oranges
The question is does Nigeria have the money to erect legal sheds for these people and the answer is yes.
If one erected an illegal building in 1978 in Boston,no one has a right to demolish it in 2009 without compensating him.
You can't even easily evict someone who occupied your home legally for non payment of rent if you never requested rent from him.
Those structures were not erected today.
Most of you were not even born in 1978.
This is wrong.

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moneygurl:


No, because they had legal jobs, in a legal company, approved by the government. And they had their salary deducted for unemployment. So they have a legal right to collect money from the government when they lose their jobs. Even in the countries that you are talking about, the taxpayers complain that government is taking their money to feed and help people who are living off the government. That is why when you ready about British government buying a woman of 5 kids, a 5 bedroom house, taxpayers are up in arms.

Up in arms, but they can do nada about it.

So you mean that in developed countries, people are not compensated when developmental projects displace them from either their business or place of residence? Are you aware that if this happened in any developed nation, Jubril Ibrahim can seek counsel (pro bono attorneys love these kind of caeses) and sue Lagos State to court with Fashola as defendant? Oh, I forgot, in oppressive Nigeria, the court wardens will arrest, beat up and probably murder Jubril Ibrahim for having the audacity to challenge "almighty oga Fashola" in court . Banana republic I hear?

~Sauron~:

The position of his shop is not LEGAL.
Things that were legal in 1978 may not necessarily be LEGAL in 2009.
The decision makers in Lagos State in 78 are not the ones in power today. . . . .

Thanks for informing me. I hope you read what you quoted.

I never discussed the legality or otherwise of his shop's position. I discussed people's laughter at his saying he has 7 children.
I discussed their blaming for him for having seven children when in fact the problem is not about the number of children, it is about his means of livelihood.

If he has no means of livelihood, the number children is irrelivant as he may not be able to feed himself, let alone a wife and even a child.

Please reply post if you wanna reply.

**osisi:

Most of you were not even born in 1978.
This is wrong.

It is not wrong . . . . .
Just because the previous governments have looked the other way does not make Pa Ibrahim's shop legal.
If a new government says his shop is situated illegally then who are we to complain??

Maybe he deserves some sorta compensation but then TIA.

~Sauron~:

The position of his shop is not LEGAL.
Things that were legal in 1978 may not necessarily be LEGAL in 2009.
The decision makers in Lagos State in 78 are not the ones in power today. . . . .

so whose fault is it?
if his structures have lasted 31 years who the fried fish is Fashola to wake up and destroy them without a ready alternative.
all this agbero justice is leading us no where.
This is a father of young children for heaven's sake

RichyBlacK:

Up in arms, but they can do nada about it.

So you mean that in developed countries, people are not compensated when developmental projects displace them from either their business or place of residence? Are you aware that if this happened in any developed nation, Jubril Ibrahim can seek counsel (pro bono attorneys love these kind of caeses) and sue Lagos State to court with Fashola as defendant? Oh, I forgot, in oppressive Nigeria, the court wardens will arrest, beat up and probably murder Jubril Ibrahim for having the audacity to challenge "almighty oga Fashola" in court . Banana republic I hear?

haha

tpia:


why cant Obama compensate the hundreds or maybe thousands of homeless people in Washington Dc?

Isnt he driving around the streets in a bullet proof limo?

Please stop comparing Obama (diamond plus gold) to the pathetic leaders Nigerians have allowed to rule them (copper plus bronze).

Obama's stimulus plans will help the poor. The Republicans attacked him during the campaign because he promoted a tax policy that will tax the poor less and tax the rich much more. Sensible, pro-people policies don't exist in "my oga na god" Nigeria.

tpia:


why cant Obama compensate the hundreds or maybe thousands of homeless people in Washington Dc?

Isnt he driving around the streets in a bullet proof limo?

They have free shelter to sleep in
They can receive free vouchers for food
They can receive free job placements
free alcohol and drug rehab
free job placements
free health care
free dental care
free  govt housing once clean.
most perhaps greater than 95% of them are addicts.
They are not there because of economic situation.
there are thousands of non profit organisations receiving govt grants that cater just to the homeless and down trodden.

why would anyone compare Nigeria to the USA?

**osisi:

you are comparing apples and oranges
The question is does Nigeria have the money to erect legal sheds for these people and the answer is yes.
[b]If one erected an illegal building in 1978 in Boston,no one has a right to demolish it in 2009 without compensating him.
You can't even easily evict someone who occupied your home legally for non payment of rent if you never requested rent from him.[/b]Those structures were not erected today.
Most of you were not even born in 1978.
This is wrong.

That I know for sure!

**osisi:

They have free shelter to sleep in
They can receive free vouchers for food
They can receive free job placements
free alcohol and drug rehab
free job placements
free  govt housing once clean.
most perhaps greater than 95% of them are addicts.
They are not there because of economic situation.

My dear' 'told' him' my palmmy friend would tell his friend after his friend's friend's tale

texazzpete:

By your logic since successive governments in Lagos have turned a blind eye to Agberos, therefore agberos are legal!

I have the moral high ground to complain when injustice affects me, as i'm not involved in any illegal acts. Not in my housing, not at work, not the way i drive. . .NOTHING!

All you need is a brief lesson on the significance and difference between de facto and de jure!

These are fundamental aspects of the common law, the most significant aspect of our legal system.

**osisi:

so whose fault is it?
if his structures have lasted 31 years who the fried fish is Fashola to wake up and destroy them without a ready alternative.
all this agbero justice is leading us no where.
This is a father of young children for heaven's sake

It goes like this - An order is sent out to demolish all the illegal shanties in the area so development can take place. Are the demolition men going to start asking for length of time the shanties have been there? As far as a responsible state government is concerned, the hut should not have been there in the first place.

Calling for compensation is sending a wrong signal. What stopping this scenario from playing out a hundred times in a hundred different places, ensuring the Government shells out hundreds of millions of naira in compensation payments? Why does he have a better claim to state funds than all the hundreds of market women evicted from Oshodi and Yaba roadside markets?