44chux:


Location is Warri...
Many NL engineers are afraid of Warri...
Finally, Am time constrained. Hoping to get offers here today.

Who would you recommend?

recommendation? I don't have the power to do that. Let our oga's who are not engineers do that. I am a student here. Or hopefully one of them will grab the opportunity

agarawu23:
sir!!! It's your money and he can't give you conditions.

Is he the only engineer? Here on Nl, we have honest engineers that can give u affordable service

Chairman, what if OP's Engineer is from Nairaland here

EgunMogaji:


Chairman, what if OP's Engineer is from Nairaland here

I have sensed he is not a Nlder.

agarawu23:
I have sensed he is not a Nlder.

his company name is DESAKE Engineering. It dosen't come up on nairaland search.

44chux:

his company name is DESAKE Engineering. It dosen't come up on nairaland search.

I will advice u to go with a Nlder as a Nlder. Professionals are here to follow up your project and things will be happening right here and critics will flow in which I blv will encourage any engineer that will take the project to buckle up his shoes .

I am not discouraging you not to give an outsider tho.

jossy26:

Thanks a lot sir for your response, I really do appreciate, my lawyer is on it its just that am impatient about the whole thingy, the person I bought it from never imagined the original owner will be this difficult, like you said maybe she's looking at the amount she sold and the new amount the new person sold it to me and want something as well

I still dont get the whole land wahala. I believe the first owner should have no deal with whoever buys the land once she sold it. You shouldn't have to look for her . Definitely something wrong with the system.

Does that mean if you decide to sell the land right now, the 4th owner is gonna have to trace 1st (original) owner to sign something before he/she can be set free?. This is bs if you ask me. Why cant the system keep the whole thing simple?. Once you sell a land, you done with it. There should be nothing like "my great grandpa owned it and he never gave permission to sell it" bla bla bla

agarawu23:
I will advice u to go with a Nlder as a Nlder. Professionals are here to follow up your project and things will be happening right here and critics will flow in which I blv will encourage any engineer that will take the project to buckle up his shoes .

I am not discouraging you not to give an outsider tho.

Thanks.
Advice accepted. Maybe Brabus can use this project to redeem his PR

Some of those costs seems high to me. He should be willing to negotiate.

also since he has given you a figure for all of the labour inclusive. He might not want to do supervision again, if you want to do supervision only who will provide the workers ?

I don't know much about the warri terrain, but if I were to be using your figures as a template for my costs and finishing, i might as well build Aso rock.

Also try to get involved with the project and not just give him 100% control, you also need to supervise and monitor yourself.

You don't also want to hear story about workers not being paid !! Just like what I heard when I engaged engineer at one stage.

44chux:

his company name is DESAKE Engineering. It dosen't come up on nairaland search.

Bros

do I look like I'm competing for market share with you ?
I'm telling you this is how much I paid the last time. My supplier owns a truck.
Don't have time to argue or prove any point, na take it or leave it. Location Is about 4km from.Ajah.

Chekitaut:
Where is the location in Lagos? At d moment all ur price are not of 30tons plaster and sharp sand.

44chux:


Thanks.
Advice accepted. Maybe Brabus can use this project to redeem his PR

I'm sure you already know what my response to this challenge will be. My answer to this remain the same as stated in the link attached. https://www.nairaland.com/2910860/construction-process-3-bedroom-block/1#43228501

If you can spell out what the contractor is handling and what you're, then I can tell if the quote is overpriced or not.
Meanwhile, if I have to go by his supervision fees per stage, I think it's a fair quote which should be moderately negotiated for a WIN-WIN.

mavverick:
Some of those costs seems high to me. He should be willing to negotiate.

also since he has given you a figure for all of the labour inclusive. He might not want to do supervision again, if you want to do supervision only who will provide the workers ?

I don't know much about the warri terrain, but if I were to be using your figures as a template for my costs and finishing, i might as well build Aso rock.

Also try to get involved with the project and not just give him 100% control, you also need to supervise and monitor yourself.

You don't also want to hear story about workers not being paid !! Just like what I heard when I engaged engineer at one stage.

That's why am actively sourcing for options. I think his yanga is coz he came to me highly recommended.

The problem with owner supervision is that when you leave the site for any length of time, they still use that little time to achieve something dubious, and if they don't succeed, morale goes low, complaints increase, mistakes occur (sometimes even intentionally). I think its always better to source it to less greedy workers or a supervisor with integrity. The best is to have the entire team come from out of town.

n3xt:


I'm sure you already know what my response to this challenge will be. My answer to this remain the same as stated in the link attached. https://www.nairaland.com/2910860/construction-process-3-bedroom-block/1#43228501

If you can spell out what the contractor is handling and what you're, then I can tell if the quote is overpriced or not.
Meanwhile, if I have to go by his supervision fees per stage, I think it's a fair quote which should be moderately negotiated for a WIN-WIN.

I will supply everything from the nails, wood, cement, sand, water, iron rods, roofing sheets, doors, windows, toilet wares, etc and also guarantee work is not disrupted.
Everything about community/family has been perfected. I even started work there with a demolition of an older building. For the post u referred to, the problem was they started from the back door(I know first hand).
He (the engr/contractor) supplies everything else (skill/manpower/labor)


Too bad you don't want to conquer new territory

My bricklayer said I will need 1000 blocks to complete my ongoing project; am thinking of buying it like two three times so that I can set it once, pls what will happen if rain falls on these blocks.

44chux:


I will supply everything from the nails, wood, cement, sand, water, iron rods, roofing sheets, doors, windows, toilet wares, etc. He supplies everything else (skill/manpower/labor)

If I go by your comment above, his scope of work includes (but not limited to) the following:

1. Setting Out
2. Excavation and blinding
3. Foundation (block work)
4. Sandfilling and surface treatment
5. DPC Reinforcement (if required), Carpentrary work and Casting
6. Ground floor block work
7. Lintels and columns (Reinforcement work, carpentary work and casting)
8. First floor slab work (Reinforcement, formwork, Electrical, Mechanical and Casting)
9. Upper floor block work
10. Lintels and columns (upper floor) as stated in 7 above.
11. Roofing woodwork and noggins
12. Roof covering
13. Final fix pipe work (Mechanical and Electrical)
14. Scaffold installation (pre-plastering)
15. Plastering (installation of doors and windows)

Let me pause here. That you mentioned supplying toiletries will either mean you want him to handle the finishes and that installation (i.e. Installation of toiletries) can only happen when he has done the following:

1. Ceiling finishes
2. Installation of wall and floor tiles
3. Installation of water tanks
4. External works (septic tank, water tank and soakaway)

Now, with all the above listed job, do you still believe the quote is overpriced considering his profit/supervision fee is built into the amount.
If all I listed above is included in his scope of work, I think you have a good deal (especially if he's someone who knows his onions).

Wishing you all the best.

44chux: Too bad you don't have what it takes to conquer new territory

I agree I'm perfectly imperfect at most things. Guess that's why I'm human in the first place.

44chux:
Your opinion is needed!!!

I got this estimate for this rough plan(I don't have a soft copy of final drawing 4 now). The engr. wants to charge NGN4.4mil for Labour from ground to finishing including electrical and plumbing + windows and doors, while I supply materials myself.


cc:
Brabus
segcymoor
kolashange
spyder880

Do you mean supervision and labor for the whole house till finish for 4.4m?

The engineer is very fair, go for it as you say he is highly recommended.

n3xt:


If I go by your comment above, his scope of work includes (but not limited to) the following:

1. Setting Out
2. Excavation and blinding
3. Foundation (block work)
4. Sandfilling and surface treatment
5. DPC Reinforcement (if required), Carpentrary work and Casting
6. Ground floor block work
7. Lintels and columns (Reinforcement work, carpentary work and casting)
8. First floor slab work (Reinforcement, formwork, Electrical, Mechanical and Casting)
9. Upper floor block work
10. Lintels and columns (upper floor) as stated in 7 above.
11. Roofing woodwork and noggins
12. Roof covering
13. Final fix pipe work (Mechanical and Electrical)
14. Scaffold installation (pre-plastering)
15. Plastering (installation of doors and windows)

Let me pause here. That you mentioned supplying toiletries will either mean you want him to handle the finishes and that installation (i.e. Installation of toiletries) can only happen when he has done the following:

1. Ceiling finishes
2. Installation of wall and floor tiles
3. Installation of water tanks
4. External works (septic tank, water tank and soakaway)

Now, with all the above listed job, do you still believe the quote is overpriced considering his profit/supervision fee is built into the amount.
If all I listed above is included in his scope of work, I think you have a good deal (especially if he's someone who knows his onions).

Wishing you all the best.

The fees include labor for electrical "wiring and plumbing" but hasn't specified to what extent shaa.
Thanks for feedback.
It wouldn't hurt if you did labor cost breakdown ofwhat might be expected.

44chux:


The fees include labor for electrical "wiring and plumbing" but hasn't specified to what extent shaa.
Thanks for feedback.

Remember I said his scope of work includes but not limited to. I can still list scores of work that you won't take cognizance of that can still take couple of thousands from you.

Window hood designs, external water runnings, screeding, concrete fascia, etc

agarawu23:
I will advice u to go with a Nlder as a Nlder. Professionals are here to follow up your project and things will be happening right here and critics will flow in which I blv will encourage any engineer that will take the project to buckle up his shoes .
I am not discouraging you not to give an outsider tho.

Nairalander or no Nairalander... Forget about building in Warri. Those people are crazy there...
Just ask Segzy14 of what he went thru... he could not even get past the foundation and that takes months to finish...
I cannot give you all the details but Segzy14 will give you more info.. just ask him. Their so called Omo-Onile is worst than Lagos even.

@44chux
@Segzy14

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Nairalander or no Nairalander... Forget about building in Warri. Those people are crazy there...
Just ask Segzy14 of what he went thru... he could not even get past the foundation and that takes months to finish...
I cannot give you all the details but Segzy14 will give you more info.. just ask him. Their so called Omo-Onile is worst than Lagos even.

@44chux
@Segzy14

Hajji M.

baba, u remind me of this thread by segzy14 in warri. https://www.nairaland.com/2910860/construction-process-3-bedroom-block

spyder880:


Do you mean supervision and labor for the whole house till finish for 4.4m?

The engineer is very fair, go for it as you say he is highly recommended.

Professional opinion appreciated.

mufutau55:


Nairalander or no Nairalander... Forget about building in Warri. Those people are crazy there...
Just ask Segzy14 of what he went thru... he could not even get past the foundation and that takes months to finish...
I cannot give you all the details but Segzy14 will give you more info.. just ask him. Their so called Omo-Onile is worst than Lagos even.

@44c.hux
@Segzy14
.
Hajji M.

I am getting so freaked out with "omo-onile" thing. By the term, does it refers to family member of the original owner of the land or what?. What's their specific legal functions?. I dont understand it.

Empiree:
I am getting so freaked out with "omo-onile" thing. By the term, does it refers to family member of the original owner of the land or what?. What's their specific legal functions?. I dont understand it.

The ancestral Owners
The Owner's Family
The Owner's Children
The Owner's Grand/Great Grand Children... etc.
It never ends... even after the land is sold, CofO or none, the Omo-Onile still partially tell you what to do.. and that is money.

Now you have all the Area-Boys parabulating themselves as Omo-Onile too, but they are supposed to be two different segments..
That is the case in Warri, the jobless, lazy-ass Community Youths now are becoming Omo-Onile indirectly.
Only Govt. can eradicate them... they kill people like chicken too.. Never tangle with them o.

Normally, their fees is supposed to be:
1. When you originally buy the land, even as third/forth party.
2. Foundation level
3. If Duplex, at Decking level
4. At Roofing Level

But most of the, don't follow the above anymore, they come to you whenever they are broke or on holidays...
they never stop until you finish the building...

Note: I knew someone who built a house on his land for over 50 years, he died and his children want to bury him on the land,
do you know they have to pay the Omop-Onile before they can bury that man on that land... Imagine that.

Note: Don't get me wrong o... some real Omo-Onile family are very, very nice.

See the attached photo for some of their ridiculous fees. This is Lagos Omo-Onile o.
Warri guys demands millions not thousands.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


The ancestral Owners
The Owner's Family
The Owner's Children
The Owner's Grand/Great Grand Children... etc.
It never ends... even after the land is sold, CofO or none, the Omo-Onile still partially tell you what to do.. and that is money.

Now you have all the Area-Boys parabulating themselves as Omo-Onile too, but they are supposed to be two different segments..
That is the case in Warri, the jobless, lazy-ass Community Youths now are becoming Omo-Onile indirectly.
Only Govt. can eradicate them... they kill people like chicken too.. Never tangle with them o.

Normally, their fees is supposed to be:
1. When you originally buy the land, even as third/forth party.
2. Foundation level
3. If Duplex, at Decking level
4. At Roofing Level

But most of the, don't follow the above anymore, they come to you whenever they are broke or on holidays...
they never stop until you finish the building...

Note: I knew someone who built a house on his land for over 50 years, he died and his children want to bury him on the land,
do you know they have to pay the Omop-Onile before they can bury that man on that land... Imagine that.

Note: Don't get me wrong o... some real Omo-Onile family are very, very nice.

See the attached photo for some of their ridiculous fees.

Hajji M.

Lord have mercy. Now this is outrageous. First all, i thank God i dont live or build in Warri. Second, even where I am at, with this nonsense i am hearing, if after i build and they come around, first all, I will have post signs within my boundaries "NO TRESPASSING", "BUILDING UNDER 24HRS SURVEILLANCE" and yes, I will have cameras everywhere.

I may have to work closely with "mopol" or army NOT local police. Any mess with me, army coming for them. I rather pay army than them. I rather open charity center than them. And in my hood, I am no friendly with no one. By that, I mean keep my distance. We will greet "hi and bye". That's all. Nothing close.

That way, they know this man doesn't tolerate nonsense. Imagine someone owned his place for 50yrs and he cant even rest in peace in his own house, and we want progress in Africa? smh.

I dont know if my plan highlighted above would work but I would do everything to keep them at arm's length or make myself unreachable. And with the way things are going I may have to even get a licensed gun owner if that's permissible in nija.

Empiree:
Lord have mercy. Now this is outrageous. First all, i thank God i dont live or build in Warri. Second, even where I am at, with this nonsense i am hearing, if after i build and they come around, first all, I will have post signs within my boundaries "NO TRESPASSING", "BUILDING UNDER 24HRS SURVEILLANCE" and yes, I will have cameras everywhere.

I may have to work closely with "mopol" or army NOT local police. Any mess with me, army coming for them. I rather pay army than them. I rather open charity center than them. And in my hood, I am no friendly with no one. By that, I mean keep my distance. We will greet "hi and bye". That's all. Nothing close.

That way, they know this man doesn't tolerate nonsense. Imagine someone owned his place for 50yrs and he cant even rest in peace in his own house, and we want progress in Africa? smh.

I dont know if my plan highlighted above would work but I would do everything to keep them at arm's length or make myself unreachable. And with the way things are going I may have to even get a licensed gun owner if that's permissible in nija.

The scenario I mentioned above and the Fees schedule is Lagos o. Warri guys demands millions not thousands o. Imagine.
Yes.. some people use Army or MOPOL, but when those people leaves, it still left you and the Omo-Onile forever o.

Hajji M.

It is always better to deal directly with the head of the family or the overall area father. There is always a leader to work with. Working with that leader makes things much easier and that keeps the other thieves in the community away from your property

Lol mopol or army ... Except you want to man your site 24hrs becos as soon as they leave your wall will fall down flat. Trust me just pay and be happy. One thing I know for sure those prices are always negotiable never agree to their set price.

mufutau55:


The scenario I mentioned above and the Fees schedule is Lagos o. Warri guys demands millions not thousands o. Imagine.
Yes.. some people use Army or MOPOL, but when those people leaves, it still left you and the Omo-Onile forever o.

Hajji M.

Lagos?. A supposed "advanced city" of all cities?. Govt is not interested in getting rid of them or locals dont make campaign effort against them, have a bill signed criminalizing them?. I can understand if it is remote countryside but Lagos?. Ridiculous!

Empiree:
Lagos?. A supposed "advanced city" of all cities?. Govt is not interested in getting rid of them or locals dont make campaign effort against them, have a bill signed criminalizing them?. I can understand if it is remote countryside but Lagos?. Ridiculous!

I think Governor Ambode is trying to do something about it now... But please don't quote me on that o.

Hajji M.

Empiree:
Lord have mercy. Now this is outrageous. First all, i thank God i dont live or build in Warri. Second, even where I am at, with this nonsense i am hearing, if after i build and they come around, first all, I will have post signs within my boundaries "NO TRESPASSING", "BUILDING UNDER 24HRS SURVEILLANCE" and yes, I will have cameras everywhere.

I may have to work closely with "mopol" or army NOT local police. Any mess with me, army coming for them. I rather pay army than them. I rather open charity center than them. And in my hood, I am no friendly with no one. By that, I mean keep my distance. We will greet "hi and bye". That's all. Nothing close.

That way, they know this man doesn't tolerate nonsense. Imagine someone owned his place for 50yrs and he cant even rest in peace in his own house, and we want progress in Africa? smh.

I dont know if my plan highlighted above would work but I would do everything to keep them at arm's length or make myself unreachable. And with the way things are going I may have to even get a licensed gun owner if that's permissible in nija.

Do not try using army or mopol officers to hold them off. They will let you complete the project, and one night pull it down for you. Army won't be there after you have completed your building.
The best approach to omo-oniles is settling with the head of the group, and ,in turn fight your battles for you with the rest.

P291:
Do not try using army or mopol officers to hold them off. They will let you complete the project, and one night pull it down for you. Army won't be there after you have completed your building.
The best approach to omo-oniles is settling with the head of the group, and ,in turn fight your battles for you with the rest.

This is exactly my approach. I was resistant before and wanted to arrest and sue and all kinds of other nonsense but thankfully I was calmed down.

Until the government enacts some law and enforces it then they will always be around.

P291:
Do not try using army or mopol officers to hold them off. They will let you complete the project, and one night pull it down for you. Army won't be there after you have completed your building.
The best approach to omo-oniles is settling with the head of the group, and ,in turn fight your battles for you with the rest.

smh...I'm sick of this

And @Hajji mufu, I hope he's planning to eradicate them. It's long due. Brief story of the man who can't even be buried peacefully on his own lands of 50yrs should have been a close call. If looks like omo onile nationwide aren't facing strong, tedious resistance from builders. That's why they flourishing.

EgunMogaji:


This is exactly my approach. I was resistant before and wanted to arrest and sue and all kinds of other nonsense but thankfully I was calmed down.

Until the government enacts some law and enforces it then they will always be around.

Better you were Sir. Our lives matter most.

Mark 12:17. Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.