johnw74:


I already know that you don't believe the scriptures.

Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

johnw74:


Bible verses show Jesus Christ is to be worshipped,
I know you don't believe the Bible

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world,
Christians have no trouble at all worshipping Jesus Christ.

Of course satan and those who are his, oppose it at lengths.

dolphinheart:


Will wait for the abo wa ba

Emusan:


This is what you can do to bail yourself out from those points I raised up there, keep it coming!

Now go back to that post and address my points if not for get about yours because I don't why you want me to address your points but ignore mine.

I know you want to boycott it because I've said what your founder and his predecessor did.

That's one thing new generation JWs don't want hear.

dolphinheart:
Thanks for the encouragement

So I'm right to say those words where were never used in the scriptures.
When we use words that have different meaning to one used in the scriptures , it creates confusion. So please others should take note, words like "took on flesh" are not found in the scriptures.

I did not see your explanation on that verse 'can you post it again and tell us how the word became flesh?

Can you please explain more on how jesus took a share in humanity? I need more explanation on how the word became flesh. Cus the scriptures did not say "the word took on flesh", neither did it say "the word entered flesh " . It said it "became flesh ".

So jesus came to earth with his divine nature and no longer took the form of men
again?

Now to show you why jesus could not have been raised with a fleshly body .

Jesus said: “The bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world,”
During his last meal with his disciples, he also said that his body will be "given ".

Jesus giving his fleshly body goes along with the this statement :Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Just as the blood of animals where sacrificed , jesus flesh and blood had to be sacrificed so that the ransom can be payed . Adam lost a perfect body, another perfect body had to be presented.

If jesus had been ressurected with that same body, then he would not have giving his body as a ransome sacrifice, a corresponding sacrifice .
Jesus did not take back his fleshly body and thereby cancel out the ransom for which it was given.

The apostle Peter testifies that Christ went into heaven, the realm of spirits, not flesh, “he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.”. A translation say "ressurected in the spirit " and he became the first fruit of those ressurected in that manner .

Christians who have a heavenly hope, hope for these same kind of ressurection , for they died a physical body , but will be raised with a spiritual body . They will die as flesh, but will be raised and go to heaven as spirits . There are two kinds of bodies or nature, a spirit body or nature and a physical /fleshly body or nature.

After Jesus’ resurrection and Before his ascension to heaven, jesus, as a mighty,
immortal spirit person,
materialize various [size=14pt]fleshly
bodies[/size] to suit the occasion, for
the purpose of giving to his
disciples visible, palpable
evidence of his resurrection

Mary who knows who jesus is and how he looks like mistook him for the gardener.

"14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will takehim away. - ( Joh 20:14, 15)
He again appeared, entering a room with locked doors, having a body with wound marks. ( Joh 20:24-29)
Several times he
manifested himself and was
recognized, not by his
appearance, but by his words
and actions. ( Lu 24:15, 16, 30,
31, 36-45; Mt 28:16-18)
Once a miracle performed at his direction opened his disciples’ eyes to his identity. ( Joh 21:4-7, 12)
Jesus, having been
resurrected as a spirit (1Pe
3:18), could materialize a body
for the occasion as the angels
did in past times, when they
appeared as messengers.

This giving of the body by jesus is why 1 Tim 2:5,6 says these : 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, [size=14pt]the man Christ Jesus;[/size] 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

So in jesus death, he had to give that perfect body as a sacrifice.

[size=14pt]He appeared with different fleshly bodies.[/size]

This is why I sometimes have issues with you . You deliberately cut statements and remove parts or us parts to explain ur views . The statement did not say " be in the spirit " it said he was "raised in the spirit". He could not have ascended into heaven with physical flesh cus flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.

Immediately after you tell why jesus is the first fruit in relation to those ressurected

Well if you feel jesus calling the father "the only true God", as nonsense, that's between you and jesus, but as for me , I don't see any nonsense in calling the father what jesus called him , the only true God .
The question should also be directed to jesus, he was the one who said the father is the only true God. That question can only be asked by someone who feel jesus is wrong to say the father is the only true God.

I did not say "show " us , I said " helps us to know".
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

I worship one God, just as the prophets of old worship one God and the scriptures tell me that that one God is the father , who [size=14pt]incidentally[/size] is the only true God.

Answered that jesus is not the almighty God.

You did not answer my question : apart from authority , is there any other aspect in which the father is superior to the son, for example, knowledge and power? The answer to that question is important.

I think your question is based on a need to argue. Jesus said there is only one father, who is in heaven . Does this not show you that jesus being Called "evalasting father" [size=14pt]does not mean he is our father in heaven?[/size] Why do you think that those going to heaven are called "jesus brothers"?. We are discussing Bro , not trying to create a base for argument.

I've explained to you my own view of honor giving to the son just as its giving to the father. I worship the father cus he is the creator , the supreme being, I do not worship his representative

In that verse, it say jesus was giving the authority to judge, I did not limit jesus authority, I'm only following what that verse says
Again, as long as you use words that the verses in the scripture did not use, and cut sentences to suit ur view, we will always be having issues . The word "same" or "way" or "same way" are not found in the scriptures. Quote the scripture sentences completely and then explain from there.

Answered that as jesus is in heaven now, The father is still superior to him.

dolphinheart:
the abo wa ba questions is what we are interested in on this thread, let's not divert .

I only asked the question about the organization cus I wanted you to tell me if they dnt do anything Good, and if they do anything good can you mention it ?
This you did not say, but the main issue is the abo wa ba part which ill be waiting for ur reply on .
There is no need to try and boycott an issue that is not the basis of our discussion in the first place.

johnw74:



The lengths you go to, to try and discredit all the Bible verses that say Jesus Christ is to be worshiped.
It's evil for sure.

Jozzy4:



Lol

Rev 3:9 King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, Which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


From the above , Even Jesus followers are worshipped !

Let them continue in delusion : John 4:23 said it all

RikoduoSennin:



You defined "Worship" with different Characteristics eg bowing down, deep respect/honor etc

I asked a simple question, yet you result to insults, eh eh eh! See Wahala!

Do Yoruba youths 'worship' their Elders, Yes or No.

When you understand that KJV applied the word 'worship' wrongly at some places were obeisance should have been used eg Do you worship your creditor- Matthew 18:26..

Jesus is worshipped on his God's Command just as We are to be worshipped on God's command. That does not Make Us God does it?

johnw74:


Bible verses show Jesus Christ is to be worshipped,
I know you don't believe the Bible

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world,
Christians have no trouble at all worshipping Jesus Christ.

Of course satan and those who are his, oppose it at lengths.

JMAN05:


Oga don't respond to my comments until u decide to discuss.

johnw74:


The lengths you go to, to try and discredit all the Bible verses that say Jesus Christ is to be worshiped.
It's evil for sure.

Emusan:
For goodness sake; did I say my word was used directly in the scripture
You know why you shouldn't be taken serious? Because you're an hypocrite! You've been talking about the WORD I used which I've said IT'S JUST AN EXPLANATION not scripture WORD but you keep
hammering on it as if I
CLAIMED IT CAN BE FOUND in
the scripture which I was
unable to provide, though not
that I can't explain my
statement but I see it as a
strawman attack.
Whereas, you yourself have
used WORDS THAT CAN BE
FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURE I
don't want to disturb myself
search previous post but I
remember this particular one
vividly.
You said this: Jesus is the first
fruit ressurected in the spirit
and annointed christians hope
to follow this form of
ressurection Now I challenge
you to provide the scripture
where ANNOINTED CHRISTIAN
appears. Failure to do so show
that you're really a chronicle
HYPOCRITE.

You don't need since you're here to attack strawman.

Then did I say the scripture says the word TOOK ON FLESH? I know the reason you're fighting a lost battle here is because you've
wrongfully thought I TWISTED
John 1:14 to mean that statement out of you own ignorance whereas I was only explaining myself about how Jesus was not PART OF CREATION before His
life on earth.
That's how you keep saying "I
THOUGHT YOU MEAN" as you
own my MIND the same thing
has landed you in another
problem.

Again you're still in that dark side,
Jesus didn't come to earth in
FLESH in my statement means
"why His life before living on
earth is not in FLESH.
Remember there was a
statement that lead to that of
mine. Get life!

Waooo waoooo, you couldn't prove those scriptures wrong but you have to pile up another episodes just out of your fable
mind.

@bold 1-The scripture says THE MAN NOTE: This is after His resurrection, so Jesus is still MAN NOW IN HEAVEN!
Clear verse to JWs who think
Jesus was raised in the spirit.

@bold 2-You accuse me of using TOOK ON FLESH because the word was never used like tha in the scripture many times here, please can you show us where the word FLESHLY BODIES? directly used in the scriptures?

Lastly, since it is DIFFERENT FLESHLY BODIES that means Jesus' sacrifice was done more than ONE because those BODIES WON'T go with Him back to heaven as He was appearing to people, according to Paul's statement you used earlier "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God ". and this will contradict Heb 7:27 that says "... for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself."
This is the reason the theory of
FLESHLY BODIES (Plural) is
ridiculous.

And you will continue to have issue until you begin to use everything up there. The key point here is IN THE SPIRIT For Instance, John said I was IN THE SPIRIT did he become a
spirit?

Hypocrite, show me where the word ANNIONTED CHRISTIANS is used in the scripture.

Again, another way of dodging question I won't allow you to do that trust me.
Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is
EVERLASTING FATHER, you
believe Jesus was not before but became at a time but now that He is called EVERLASTING FATHER, IS Jesus STILL EVERLASTING FATHER in HEAVEN or Prophet Isaiah was wrong to have said He will be called EVERLASTING
FATHER?
How many FATHER DO YOU
NOW HAVE IN HEAVEN?
Those are the questions you're
trying to dodge.[quote]

I did not dodge ur questions, in fact I used the scriptures to explain my view .
I, like jesus believe that the father is the only father we have in heaven. You can believe we have more than one father, you can take as many fathers in heaven as you want . But I follow jesus teaching , the father, his father in heaven is our only father, he is the only one we should call father, he is the only true God.
When you accept what jesus said, about the one we should call father. Then we will move on to other aspect like why jesus will be called everlasting father.

[quote]Imaging a believer who can say the Father is INCIDENTALLY the only true God. So when was this INCIDENT occur?[/quote ]

Definition of the word "incidentally " as used as part of my statement :
incidentally - /ɪnsɪˈdɛnt(ə)li/

used to add a further comment
or a remark unconnected to the current subject; by the way.

[quote]So it only helps us not that it says the actual one to be worshiped, then did you ask yourself why Jesus was grouped together with the Father with the phrase
"whom are all things, and we
by him." I know you'll argue of
the words OF and BY
Is like Jesus and the Father are
rival because everything about
the Father is also about the Him.

Where did I say it If you can't provide it the lie of your
organization is working in you
seriously.

The point I raised on this is as crystal cleared but for fable mind like yours you'll still find it hard.
Jesus is the Power of God and
through (Jesus) knowledge the
world was made.

You agree that Jesus is in HEAVEN NOW!
Isaiah said Jesus is called
EVERLASTING FATHER, then I
ask has Jesus stopped being
an EVERLASTING FATHER? If
Yes! When? If No! Then How
many FATHER DO YOU HAVE
IN HEAVEN? Simple!
These are the simple thing haveasked you but you keep
perambulating since.

You only differentiate the honour you give to the Father and that of the Son you didn't say the honour you give the JUST AS YOU GIVE THE FATHER Jesus said "that all should honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father." and DEEP DOWN YOUR HEART YOU KNOW HOW YOU HAVE BEEN HONOURING the Father so Jesus said HONOUR HIM THE WAY YOU HAVE BEEN DOING TO THE FATHER, that's
scriptural TRUTH.

OK! But limiting your point to that verse alone is far from it when you know Jesus said else where that (Not only on earth as you're trying to twist the scripture but IN
HEAVEN AND ON EARTH) ALL
AUTHORITY... which I asked is
there a difference between
ABSOLUTE and ALL which you
couldn't reply.

I've already told you The Father is SUPERIOR TO THE SON.
In fact Jesus claimed HE HAS
ALL AUTHORITY means He is
God since ONLY GOD CAN
HAVE ALL AUTHORITY.
Whether the AUTHORITY WAS
GIVEN OR NOT, HE still has IT
since you agree that The Father has not collected the Authority.
Answer my questions and don't boycott it,
-ONLY GOD has ALL
AUTHORITY, true or false?
-DOES Jesus HAVE ALL
AUTHORITY?
-How many people do you
have in heaven HAVING ALL
AUTHORITY?

Emusan:


See another excuse, was my points only on the ORGANIZATION?

At least I still said something about the thread. I know you're looking for a way out here and all the roads have been blocked.

So answer my point and don't boycott the part of the organization BECAUSE YOU ACCUSED ME OF HATING THE ORGANIZATION OR ME NEVER SAID ANY GOOD THING ABOUT THEM here on this thread. So prove me wrong with what I said about them (Pastor Russell and his follower did TEACH THE WORSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST BASED ON SCRIPTURE, true or false?). Then people can see your allegation as fact here.

Jozzy4:



Lol

Rev 3:9 King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, Which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


From the above , Even Jesus followers are worshipped ! grin

Let them continue in delusion : John 4:23 said it all

JMAN05:


Frankly, I pity for these people having ones been among them. How I wish they ll just open there mind and see reasons.

dolphinheart:
You said something about the thread, let's focus on that and treat the "abo wa ba" part.

I wonder where I said you "hate" the organization . Really wonder.

[quote]I asked you if there is anything good about the organization and if you can mention it , but you sha want to talk about the organization without answering me.

Emusan:

Since I said something about the thread so no answer to what I said, right?

dolphinheart:
So I'm right to say those words where were never used in the scriptures.
When we use words in our explanations that have different meaning to one used in the scriptures , it creates confusion.
Now to anointed christians :
Jesus footstep followers who have been spirit begotten and anointed with holy spirit can be spoken of as anointed ones.

"Now he which stablisheth us
with you in Christ, and hath
anointed us, is God;- 2Co 1:21

This ones("us" are annointed
This "us" are christians
Thus I can say those people being reffered to in that verse are " annointed Christians".

"But the anointing which ye
have received of him abideth
in you, and ye need not that
any man teach you: but as the
same anointing teacheth you
of all things, and is truth, and is. no lie, and even as it hath
taught you, ye shall abide in
him." -1Jo 2:27

[size=14pt]So I can personaly explain that those who where Anointed where also called christians and can thus be called "anointed christians " by me.[/size]
Bet you hear when some people say "touch not my anointed " when reffering to their church leaders . Are the church leaders not christians?

This you can't do with "took on flesh" as the meaning of "took on flesh" is different from "became flesh".

I did not hammer on need of direct bible quotation, I only wanted to use that question to get things straight , so that others would not have use words that have a different meaning in explaining.
The word u used have different meaning from "became flesh", so I had to first made it clear that the words "took on flesh" is not in the scriptures.

The issue on exact bible words are not to make you look wrong, but to clear [size=14pt]some bible phrases[/size] and let us know that the words we use, even though it is not present in the scriptures, It must has direct meaning with the ones used in the scritures and also tells the same thing as the scriptures is telling us.

I need it, it will help me to understand you better so can you post it again and tell us how the word became flesh?

Good, I now understand that you where explaining how "jesus was not part of creation before his life on earth".
Can you now explain what the scripture meant by the "word became flesh"?

I did not ask you jesus nature before coming to earth .

You said : jesus came to earth not with his flesh?

I asked : so what did jesus come to earth with?

You said : with his divine nature.

That's y I said : So Jesus came to earth with his divine nature and no longer took the form of men again?

Cus john 1:14 says - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of
the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The bible also explains that jesus completely "emptied himself and took the form of men"
To me this explains that jesus came to earth not with a divine nature, but as flesh . This is why there was an actual conception in the womb of Mary.

Those episodes are backed up with scriptural quotes . one wonders why you refuse to comment on them .

Read 1 cor 15: 45 - 49
"So it is written: “The first
man Adam became a living
being” f ; the last Adam, a life-
giving spirit. 46 The spiritual
did not come first, but the
natural, and after that the
spiritual. 47 The first man was
of the dust of the earth; the
second man is of heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so
are those who are of the earth;
and as is the heavenly man,
so also are those who are of
heaven. 49 And just as we
have borne the image of the
earthly man, so shall we g
bear the image of the
heavenly man."

Here jesus is presently a life giving spirit, [size=14pt]not flesh.
Here , the man , heavenly man is as those who are of heaven.[/size] Me and you both know that those who are of heaven are spirits, only spirits reside in heaven. Jehovah, jesus, the seraps, angels and demons (previously) all reside(d) in heaven , they are all spirits . No flesh and blood among them.

This is why those who will go to heaven must share in the divine nature . They must be ressurected with spirit bodies to enter heaven, for flesh and blood cannot enter there.

This is why they will be among the first resurrection.
Jesus, the first to be ressurected in such manner (firstfruit) will be followed by others who will be ressurected in such manner too. For why call jesus firstfruit if there are no others ressurected in such manner.

New American Standard
Bible
"Yet He has now reconciled
you in His fleshly body through
death, in order to present you
before Him holy and
blameless and beyond
reproach--" Col 1 :22

you forgot where I said angels have the power to materialise fleshly bodies. They Can also dematerialise those bodies. Remember, angels impregnated women during noah time.
The body jesus materialised was not the same that was sacrificed , he appears and dissapears at will,even when the doors where locked, something he did only after his ressurection.
He did not contradict Hebrews, no fleshly body was offered twice.

No, the issue is " raised in the spirit" .
John did not say he was "raised in the spirit".
Dnt cut part of the sentence off.

It is not used in the bible, the sentence can be explained using the bible . Now can you tell why Jesus is the firstfruit in relation to those ressurected.?

I did not dodge ur questions, in fact I used the scriptures to explain my view .
I, like Jesus believe that the father is the only father we have in heaven. You can believe we have more than one father, you can take as many fathers in heaven as you want . But I follow Jesus teaching , the father, his father in heaven is our only father, he is the only one we should call father, he is the only true God.
When you accept what Jesus said, about the one we should call father. Then we will move on to other aspect like why Jesus will be called everlasting father.

Definition of the word "incidentally " as used as part of my statement :
incidentally - /ɪnsɪˈdɛnt(ə)li/

used to add a further comment
or a remark unconnected to the current subject; by the way.

Those verses are simple and clear, it tells me who my God is it tells me that there are many Gods, but from those many Gods only one of them is my God , my God is the father, he is the only God . Me and you agree that Jesus is not the father. I worship my God, I worship the father

I've always and will continue to tell you , do not cut part of a statement off. That method is used by those who want to give a different meaning from what the original statement is trying to tell us.
One phrase is with "of" and "in" while the other phrase is with "by". They are different phrases and not totally composed with the same words.

I did not say you said it. I'm of the view that you typed "answered " to affirm my view on the question . If my view is wrong , then pls tell us ur view on the question I asked before you typed "answered".

I ask a question , not asked for a point .
apart from authority , is there any other aspect in which the father is superior to the son, for example, knowledge and power? The answer to that question is important.

1st Q: no
2nd Q : when he began fufilling the reason he will caller everlasting father .
3rd Q: only one .

Now answer mine, why are those going to heaven called Jesus brothers, can we ever day the father has brothers?.

When you quote the words in full as said in the bible, you will understand . Stop this cut cut thing you are doing .

I do not twist words , that translation where you find "absolute ", he made it in reference with the authority to to judge,the verse also did not mention heaven and earth .
The verse that mentions heaven and earth when talking about the authority giving to Jesus after his ressurection did not say "absolute" . If I'm wrong , pls quote it and let's see if this is my personal twist or i said it as the verses said it .

Q1: false, only God has supreme authority . He gave all authority to his son . (check explanation below )

Q2: yep, he was giving
Q3: just one .

Jesus has been giving all authority by the father, but Jesus is still subjected to that one that gave him all authority . Therefore Jesus is not the supreme being , the father is .
Jesus is thus not the almighty God as he (even as he is in heaven) has a superior , a God , who is the father.
The god I and Jesus worship is the almighty God.

dolphinheart:
Pls treat the abo wa ba part so we can continue our bible based discussion.

if you feel the organization does nothing good. Say it .
If you feel they do something good, let's hear the good things.

Emusan:
See the reason why I said I HATE HYPOCRITE, you
accuse me of USING the word
that was not used DIRECTLY in
the scripture, now I challenge
you to give use where the
word ANNOINTED
CHRISTIANS was DIRECTLY
used in the scripture but what
we got is [b]BRINGING MANY
VERSES to prove it.

"Attacking strawman, @bold how can view/understanding of verse be found in the scripture?
When you yourself did the
same below."

he took a share in humanity

Now @bold-You have to
PERSONALLY explained and
AGREE WITH THE USE OF
ANNOINTED CHRISTIANS not
that the word as you used it
CAN BE FOUND the scripture.
This is HYPOCRITE in its
highest form.

How do you know I can't, when you first attack strawman with false accusation and later asking me to explain myself.
This is how an hypocrite
behaves, when you first saw
the word TOOK ON FLESH
your own is to ask "can you
explain what you mean by
TOOK ON FLESH?" Then if I
fail to do so, you can then spew all the thrash you've been saying since.
I never claimed that my word
was used DIRECTLY IN THE
SCRIPTURE nor I can't explain
what I mean by TOOK ON
FLESH.
If something like this repeat
itself I won't reply you any more because if I do I might say whatI shouldn't have said.

Again, did I say MY USE OF TOOK ON FLESH was based on John 1:14 I see this as pure nonsense I've repeated
myself many time that my use
of that WORD WAS NOT ON
ANY SCRIPTURE but just to
EXPLAIN (which you did in
above) how Jesus was not part
of CREATION.
In fact you keep boiling my
anger.
Like I said, the reason why
you're doing this is because
you've wrongfully thought I
TWISTED John 1:14 with that
my statement, which you're
totally missed it now you're
trying to justify your wrong
THOUGHT by bringing up
baseless point.

@bold-The ANNOINTED
CHRISTIANS you used it is
bible phrase or how people
come with about it?
Who took you that TOOK ON
FLESH doesn't have a direct
meaning as being used in the
scripture?
Did you ask me to explain what
I mean by that before you start
your HYPOCRITICAL
behavior?

It's what they call using
medicine after death, you
should've come low like this in
your first post but since you
have to find a way to cover up
how you wrongfully READ MY
MIND at first it has lead you to
this now.

Thank you for quoting this scripture which boldly shows how hypocritical you are! The verse says "...TOOK THE FORM OF MEN does this relate with my previous word TOOK ON FLESH?
Yet you will accusing someone
of CUTTING part.
Did you read the full part that
says Jesus emptied himself
Please which version did you
read that USED COMPLETELY?

And you have to ignore those scriptures I quoted without commenting on them but you're still wondered why I
couldn't comment on your
own too

What concern spirit those who are in heaven with the fact presented in that scripture?

The verse says THE MAN Jesus CHRIST since you and I know that they are spirit did I Apostle Paul who called the resurrected Jesus now in
heaven THE MAN didn't know
either?

Can they still be referred to as MAN once there in heaven?

Apostle said "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."
The "WE WHO ARE ALIVE"
means those who have not
experienced DEATH. We know
that the body WILL BE
CHANGE just as Jesus own
was CHANGE but it's still
FLESH.

There's no one ever DIED and came back with HIS/HER BODY by being CHANGE from mortality to Immortality this is why Jesus was the first fruit to resurrected in such manner.

New American Standard Bible
John 1:1 says "...and the word
was God". Do you agree?
I've noticed anytime it suit You
to use other version You do but discard the same version when it's being used in another place.
Whereas what I challenged
you for is FLESHLY BODIES
(Plural) which is after
RESURRECTION. Mr oga.

Remember what If Angels actual materialized human FLESH and married then DEMATERIALIZED THEIR
HUMAN FLESH again that
means many heavenly being
have been given up their flesh
before Christ did.

I can't stop laughing sha, but the ONE HE MATERIALIZED is HUMAN FLESH also, and your organization's claim was that
the BODY OF Jesus WENT
INTO GAS (which does mean
DISPOSED OFF). So if Jesus
materialized in Human FLESH
and then disposed those so
what happened to HIS FIRST
BODY is still the same THAT
HAPPENED TO THE ONE HE
MATERIALIZED WITH MANY
TIME.

Jesus died and you believed because the verse says RAISED IN THE SPIRIT means He was resurrected AS A SPIRIT notice grammatical
change in that statement "IN
THE" to "AS A". Then I said
John who did not die but WAS
IN THE SPIRIT means he
change to A SPIRIT do you
agree?[quote]
If you believe john changed into a spirit , that is ur believe, not mine . The verse says " raised in the spirit "
[quote]NOTE: Thank God you agree that IT'S NOT USED IN THE BIBLE BUT CAN BE EXPLAIN USING THE BIBLE, then the phrases "TOOK ON FLESH" did I say it can't be explain using the Bible? Mr hypocrite!
[hr /]
From here I have to start doing
copy and paste, if such thing
repeats itself I won't reply that
part again.
[hr /]
[quote]You didn't dodge it yet you couldn't answer my questions?
So Prophet Isaiah was wrong to say He will be called
EVERLASTING FATHER, right?
Has Jesus stop been an
EVERLASTING FATHER
simple?
Have you called Him
EVERLASTING FATHER for
once?

UNCONNECTED TO THE CURRENT SUBJECT...
Anyway, that's your own cup of beans.

But why didn't you ADD in MY OWN VIEW to post so that people can see that you're the one who drawn the conclusion by yourself not me?
Not only wrong but it entails
false statements.
For the last time, I've said
before the Father is SUPERIOR
to the Son. I don't know your
problem again.

Honestly, I don't know why simple English is so hard for you to comprehend.
Any open-minded person
reading my post knew that I've
answered your question but the problem you're having with
simple English is the one
causing this problem for you.
Jesus is the POWER OF GOD
how can God superior to His
own power?
The man Jesus as Bible says
that the act of Creation was
done through Him, the same
Bible says THROUGH
KNOWLEDGE which means
Jesus is the knowledge of God, can God superior to His own knowledge?

You agree Jesus has not STOPPED to be called
EVERLASTING FATHER.
Your second answer, do you
mean He has not started
fulfilling the reason? The same
verse is where JWs derived
MIGHTY GOD. You can called
Jesus Mighty God now but you
believe He has not started to
fulfill the reason to be called
EVERLASTING FATHER.
Which one, Jesus or the
Father? Since both are
EVERLASTING FATHER and
now in heaven.

Which words did I cut here? It's very simple, you HONOUR FATHER in what ever way seems good to you but the fact from that scripture is which ever way you honour the
Father (let conscience
convince you) THE SON
SAYS HONOUR HIM THE
SAME WAY.

Imaging YOU HAVE COME WITH ANOTHER LIE, "the verse that mentions heaven and earth when talking about the authority giving to Jesus after his resurection didn't say ABSOLUTE."
Then I asked you which you
have been dodging since, what
is the DIFFERENT BETWEEN
Absolute and ALL?

Was the translation you used wrong by using the word
ABSOLUTE?

The next ridiculous statement now is that the Father is the only one having SUPREME Authority the Son only has ALL Authority.
Jesus will forgive you all these
things you're denying Him sha.
Please where is the scripture
the WORD SUPREME
AUTHORITY can be found? Mr.
first class hypocrite.
This is evident that you can go
to any length just to use your
mouth deny Jesus all what
make Him equal to the Father.
ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY
belong to God and since Jesus
HAS ALL AUTHORITY AND HE
IS THE POWER OF GOD. It's
evident that He is God Almighty.
*He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come,
Lord Jesus!*

johnw74:


Heb_1:6 And again, WHEN he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Our Father said all His Angels were to worship Him
and all Christians worship our Lord and Savious Jesus Christ

RikoduoSennin:


Who is the FIRST begotten?

Why is he called such?

Who gave the command for the first begotten to be worshipped?

Who are those specificed to do the worshipping?

At what point in time was that command issued?

If Jesus was the God of the Angels, why would they need to be commanded first (by someone else mind you) before they are to worship Jesus- Just like unbelievers will be commanded to worship saints @ Revelation?

Show me where humans are commanded to worship Jesus?