birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

Thank u for enlightening their dark mind. Private jet is a big deal to some pple. i love what u wrote.

paris10:
The Pope's US visit was a triumph in upholding Christ teachings. If anything, one thing it does teaches us is that you don't need a private jet, nor a limousine nor even the most expensive carrier to ride in to do God's work.

It teaches us humility in the face of plenty, humbleness in the face of pride, and godliness to silence the greedy and the new generation pastors we have been condoning.

Creflor Dollar needed a $65,000 jet to do God's work ( his congregation are currently donating the money ). Adeboye, Oyedepo et al also need this amount of money to do God's work. Pope rode in a $20k mini series car. He specifically demanded this because " as a man of God you cannot live confortably and ride the most expensive cars whilst the children of God are suffering".

Over to the gullible Nigerian pastors defenders.

20000x200=#4000000. Dats stil too much koz sme ppl dnt hv food to eat in their houses. I tink he should sell d car nd giv d money includin all his assets to the poor den trek bck to Rome koz Jesus christ nvr used a car.if e does that, then i wil see reasons to agree wif u. For now u re talkin shiit....

Let JESUS whom we imitate be an example for us to follow.....u been in another city within a minute is nt an excuse for a jet..........rember u cn deceive pple to give u dia money bt u cnt deceive GOD and GOD is nt deceived.............if u re for Christ let humility and meekness be the definition of ur life............rember the word of God in JOHN ""DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD......."

anwo247:
No pastor needs private jet.

It's not too late; they shd sell it and donate it back to the chruch. It's God's money before it's too late.


I have always said this and do not even need POPE to maintain this stand.

No matter what u think u know, don't judge any man. What u are delving into is in one way or the other dealing with u....''those men" are not ur mates, not ur boys, niether ur servants. stop exposing ur life spiritual dangers. l like U.
Get common sense....#mimd ur own business#
#Nofence.

paris10:
The Pope's US visit was a triumph in upholding Christ teachings. If anything, one thing it does teaches us is that you don't need a private jet, nor a limousine nor even the most expensive carrier to ride in to do God's work.

It teaches us humility in the face of plenty, humbleness in the face of pride, and godliness to silence the greedy and the new generation pastors we have been condoning.

Creflor Dollar needed a $65,000 jet to do God's work ( his congregation are currently donating the money ). Adeboye, Oyedepo et al also need this amount of money to do God's work. Pope rode in a $20k mini series car. He specifically demanded this because " as a man of God you cannot live confortably and ride the most expensive cars whilst the children of God are suffering".

Over to the gullible Nigerian pastors defenders.

why don't you concentrate on improving your spiritual life so that u can be sure of heaven instead of this trash u posted

Freemanan:


Clear your doubt

Look, oga, am a historian....I read about the history of the Roman empire in Europe and aw d 30years war d@ gave birth to d West phalia charter of 1648 ended their reign during this period....Yes the catholic church ruled d entire Europe @ dis period and of course many atrocities were committed....But you can see d@ has changed now!! Power has gone and they av faced what they are meant to....so stop trying to feed me with sometin one disgruntled ex member of the catholic church wrote to suit a purpose!!

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

My God this dude has lost it!! I can't believe someone wrote dix, someone in his right sense.
My guy u need someone to talk sense into ur rusty dull skull

Ajinoride:


the pope is richer than all the nigerian pastors put together. He is the president of the Dominican republic. dnt compare them pls.

mind you, who employed you to judge God's anointed?
they were solely employed by God , and answerable to Him alone......(ask miriam, the sis of moses).

the pope is not the president of the Dominican republic.

You are also confusing the vatican wealth with the pope's wealth, the pope is not rich, he is given a stiped every month by the church.

It is like confusing Nigerias wealth with that of its president.

yogt:
Re: Pope's visit. @hyfr and others.The reply by Trajanskong is a satirical writing (satire). Its sad that the standard of our education in Nigerian schools and universities is very low. I hope the Minister for Education reads all the write ups and do the needful. For other Nigerians;@TRAJANSKONG wrote satire.

yogt:
Re: Pope's visit. @hyfr and others.The reply by Trajanskong is a satirical writing (satire). Its sad that the standard of our education in Nigerian schools and universities is very low. I hope the Minister for Education reads all the write ups and do the needful. For other Nigerians;@TRAJANSKONG wrote satire.

Re: Pope's visit. @hyfr and others.The reply by Trajanskong is a satirical writing (satire). Its sad that the standard of our education in Nigerian schools and universities is very low. I hope the Minister for Education reads all the write ups and do the needful. For other Nigerians;@TRAJANSKONG wrote satire.

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

This op must be mad...im sure ur one of d many braim washed nigerians to come here n write such foul rubbish....was jesus not humble on earth n born in a manger?... dint he dine wit d poor? Did he exhalt himslf so dat we can respect him n folk him? U comment is d most stupid comment I have read my whole life. U shd be shoy dead for tinking like dis.

The OP is trying to make a point but he fails to put certain things into consideration eg. The Vatican city where the Pope reign as an indirect ruler is treated partially as a separate country and the Catholic Church have the largest congregation in the whole world;

My point: millions of dollars accrue to the church on monthly basis from tithes, offerings from members, donations from members, governments & organisations & rent/ payments from firms operating in the Vatican city etc. I believe that the Vatican have several planes but the pope trends to fly as he so wish in other to show the world that various reforms are going on in the Vatican.

Now taking about men of God outside the catholic church, my believe is that some of them fly private jets for good reasons while several do it just to show class.

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

use common sense here, forget the tight schedule you have brought up.
we are in the technology age, messages can be streamed so flying at the expense of the congregation is not necessary

even with the jet, it is still possible that he wont be able to to deliver 50 teaching in different parts of the world in a day.
so what is your point?

there are many in burundi, somalia, iraq, afganistan
No!
US, UK, France needs to hear the word first?

gunuvi:
You are very correct but many Nigerians are very gullible to the estent you will almost believe they are hypnotised by these thieves and heartless beings calling themselves men of God.
They will soon come on this thread to swallow us but I have reserved a dangerous thunder to strike them
I am waiting.

Heeeeey!!! So I am FTC.
I hereby dedicate this to all those who were lucky to survive the bomb blast on friday. May God please heal the soon and RIP to the innocent ones that lost their lives.
Nigeria will be great soon!!!

I have a gymn in my basement, you can bring that your thunder over so the thunder can be doing press-up while waiting for the person to strike

u stand defend pop that is making noise. tell me howmany country does he visit in a week.
how do u expect someone to minister in diferent country there need for it. as for pop he is only trying to gain porpularity by critisising men of miracle for who u may be you must have been brain dead or sick in the brain how can a right sensethinking human say that the famous and porpular pope is trying to gain porpularity over thiefing lucrative niaja common pastors

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

.

I hope you are joking. Cos I'm really trying hard not to say anything offensive to you in response to your post. You could just have easily said you see nothing wrong in the lifestyle of Nigerian pastors and ended your statement there. That would ve been a lot more preferable. Instead of all the ******** stuff you ended up typing. The Bible & the lifestyle of Jesus teaches love, HUMILITY and sacrifice. Sacrifice for the poor, sacrifice for the needy and those around us. Not pride, EXALTATION, and greed / covetousness. If one is wealthy/rich as a true Christian, fine. That's just a sweet bonus. But it should NEVER be viewed as your main calling card to prove you are a Christian. Our true hope & fight & desire is for the rewards in the next life, not on the 'bonuses' we may hope to get in this.

OP, please it is religiously immature to lowly subject the Holy Father on matters concerning pastors, I demand for the immediate retraction or invalidation of the thread, thanks.

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

hope u read wat u wrote before posting r u sure u really understand d principle of Christianity? r u sure u r properly taught d virtues of Christianity?
do u remember these words "d son of man came to serve n not to be served"? wen Christ was on earth, he never had a place of his own to lay His head. He was humble right from birth. As a servant of God, ur focus should be d salvation n well being of d masses n not to place priorities on private jets n other worldly treasures, though they r good but not as important as d salvation of mankind.

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever oflown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

how come these pastors only preach in developed nations, what bout the nations that lack runway talkless of airport

kraftykc:


Bros... Even tokunbo 2008 Accord cost pass 20k dollars oh. No dull yourself.

that na for who won buy na. Nigerians are the only people who no get job but her car, who dey stay rented house but they drive hummer h2. me need the money for business. money for new Toyota go come from there. first things first

poverty is a disease.... OP do you know that vatican has a bank?
do you know that Jesus had a treasurer
person wei no get money dey get bank??

ignorance.......

exactly! Dats jst d right way....we are usin d xtian church for business instead of followin the ways of Christ! May God help us all

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever oflown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

how come these pastors only preach in developed nations, what bout the nations that lack runway talkless of airport. These pastors are mostly busters and enterpreneurs. What happened to rWanda, sierraleone, Liberia, carribeans etc na us, uk, wey bring xtianity for us dem dey go.

Tonnierichy:

Look, oga, am a historian....I read about the history of the Roman empire in Europe and aw d 30years war d@ gave birth to d Berlin charter of 1638 ended their reign during this period....Yes the catholic church ruled d entire Europe @ dis period and of course many atrocities were committed....But you can see d@ has changed now!! Power has gone and they av faced what they are meant to....so stop trying to feed me with sometin one disgruntled ex member of the catholic church wrote to suit a purpose!!

Firstly, I didn't ask you if you are a historian or whatever!
Secondly, I Am not of Any concern if you believe it or not, you simply ask for a fact and I provided... Believe it or not, it won't change a thing.


PS: All Historians I know are known for being open minded... Even to maxims that are being argued.

Well-done

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

You are right Bro, the jet is just a tool and so is the Bentley and rolls, you know a Toyota camry cannot be able to move significant ministry resources from point A to point B efficiently , so they ll always need the latest range rover to do that, the babes that go along with them are all tools lol, don't forget the $100k rolex ,the $10k shoe and the $1 million diamond are also tools, hv u been opportuned to travel in the entourage of ur so called men of God? Their conversation ll surely get u thinking, some of them don't even believe there's God, they see the church as pure business, 95% of them are there for the money Bro . May God forgive and help us all.

eddy1977:
The Pope rode in a $20K mini car as a proof of humility?
Wow!
I guess He would have been even more humble if He rode a Donkey.

What is this one saying? That's about the lowest price you can get a brand new car. Its just 4 million naira.

pld4reel:
This is how it should be

Remember pope never said this. That was a bad loose interpretation of his off the cuff radio comment.

CHUKSKALIDONN:
OP, please it is religiously immature to lowly subject the Holy Father on matters concerning pastors, I demand for the immediate retraction or invalidation of the thread, thanks.

Iconoclastic fellow.

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

nice sarcasm but unfortunately most NLers read with their eyes leaving their brains..so expect bashing cos most of them wont get your points!

eddy1977:
The Pope rode in a $20K mini car as a proof of humility?
Wow!
I guess He would have been even more humble if He rode a Donkey.

True talk. He should have rode on a donkey or even trek so that we will know he is humble.

They said Jesus rode on a donkey but they forgot someone owned the donkey and if our pastors acted the way Jesus got the donkey, they will still complain.

Its good that the pastors don't respond/reply to the bashing

chinoify:
poverty is a disease.... OP do you know that vatican has a bank?
do you know that Jesus had a treasurer
person wei no get money dey get bank??

ignorance.......

You're the ignorant one. This pope calls himself a poor pope, a pope for the poor. He does not believe that to preach God's word you have to be rich. And people have taken note. He's the most respected religious leader on earth. He says something and people listen. He advised the leader of the US Congress to resign and the man did the very next day. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.
Money is good but it is of the flesh and it has no place in the kingdom of God.

sagaciousblog:
nice sarcasm but unfortunately most NLers read with their eyes leaving their brains..so expect bashing cos most of them wont get your points!

True

erocorp01:

This op must be mad...im sure ur one of d many braim washed nigerians to come here n write such foul rubbish....was jesus not humble on earth n born in a manger?... dint he dine wit d poor? Did he exhalt himslf so dat we can respect him n folk him? U comment is d most stupid comment I have read my whole life. U shd be shoy dead for tinking like dis.

must you insult unnecessarily? Calm down, read the post again and enjoy the Sarcasm..

hugochuks60:


hope u read wat u wrote before posting r u sure u really understand d principle of Christianity? r u sure u r properly taught d virtues of Christianity?
do u remember these words "d son of man came to serve n not to be served"? wen Christ was on earth, he never had a place of his own to lay His head. He was humble right from birth. As a servant of God, ur focus should be d salvation n well being of d masses n not to place priorities on private jets n other worldly treasures, though they r good but not as important as d salvation of mankind.

you misunderstood what that guy typed sir..he was condemning the actions of the pastors not the pope..read the post again...that's Sarcasm!