gunners 4 life,no long thing.
49 unbeaten no be beans .

na moi-moi and paw-paw

Attention Gunners Fans

Invitations are out for the Gunners End Of Season Party

lol

I need to have my say;

Manchester United is greater in terms of
records of trophies won.

Premier League (including Old First Division)
Manchester United - 15 Titles( 8 out of 14 premiership titles)
Arsenal - 13 Titles(3 out of 14 premiership titles)

FA Cup
Manchester United - 11 Titles
Arsenal - 10 Titles

European Cup/UEFA Champions League
Manchester United - 2 Titles
Arsenal - 0 Titles

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Manchester United - 1 Title
Arsenal - 1 Title

what about unbeaten records!
Sorry there's no trophy for that.
Moreso,

The unbeaten run was ended on October 24, 2004
by Manchester United, who defeated Arsenal 2-0
at Old Trafford

Verdict

Arsenal is a great football club
However Manchester United is a greater footbal club

COURT!

For Football clubs what other way is there to measure 'greatness' if not for the number of trophies won? Both clubs are great but Man U definitely is greater! They are also richer (pre Glazers era) and have more supporters than Arsenal.

manchester united

Unfortunately, the rating of English teams has to be:

Liverpool
Man U
Arsenal


Trophies is what counts and in terms of olympics, european trophise Gold, League titles is Silver and Local Cups are bronze

so in terms of History Man U are greater.

Whats the criteria for that rating

Anyway we are talking about United and Gunners
here.

So you can start a thread on Liverpool vs United

when something is great, we're talking about legendary and out of all those teams (liverpool, Arsenal and ManU) - ManU definitely encompasses all that.

Thats more like it J-girl

Manchester United has more legends
than all these other clubs,

George Best and Sir Busby, to mention but a few

Won three consecutive premiership under same manager

D'yu want me to continue

LOL

Now!! Now!! Children

Lets not in our need to be umpty, get carried away. Listen lets leave sentiments asides here, everyone knows that Liverpool are the Greatest clubside in English Football, in terms of Tradition, History, Players and Trophies, you cannot compare any team to them, [b]They Have 5 Uefa CL trophies, They have Anfield which historically is more renowned than Old T, and compared to United, more important players have worn the Red Jersey of Liverpool. This is a fact that every English man, and "real" follower of the english league should/will know. And there is no arguement about that.

Man United are the richest club side in England, (notwithstanding Roman's Chelsea) and OT is the Highest capacity ground, and yes Man United are the most succesful since the Premiership started, but guys English football did not start with the Prem And corrections Mr. Blow, Matt Busby never played for United but Liverpool (you see my point), he only coached them and George Best, played in the old Division 1 league, as it was known back then, the Prem as we know it Started in 1992, with Man United being the first team to win it.

But please ask any staunch United Fan and he/she will grudgingly inform you that in terms of History and Tradition, and even trophy hauls, its;

1, Liverpool
2, Man United
3, Arsenal (trophy haul), Nott forest (tradition), Spurs (Popularity, but not nowadays anyway)
And the list could go on

And that my friends is the facts, with no sentiments attached. A little research before we post stuff wouldn't hurt now and then

GOONER 89

P.S.

What is the point of this thread in the 1st place
4, others

They never said the greatest - they said greater out of Arsenal and ManU. Therefore - you all agree that ManU is greater.

Don't try and soften that blow by putting Liverpool in the equation.

Simply - ManU is greater than Arsenal.

LMAO ; Ar,.Arsenal greater than United, lol I need to know where you guys get your supply of weed from cos I seriously need to step my blunt game up! ,

J-girl,

Please try and read I put up that the ratings (like Viera said earlier) was;

1 Liverpool
2 Man United
3 Arsenal and co

So where in my post did i say Arsenal were greater than United And like i said, this thread made no sense. If a Liverpool fan started a STUPID thread like this asking what everyone knows is the flipping obvious , what/how does that help anyone, rather than a means to blow your trumpets.

Who is arguing Greatest club with anyone , how does that affect Arsenal/Chelsea supporters if United Supporters see themselves as the greatest Does that affect Wenger or Maureen I doubt that very much.

But anyway, its a free world. You guys can continue in this delirium , as i said "its not F@£king Rocket science". Everyone that knows his onions in the English league knows his history.

Enjoy maties

GOONER 89

Hmnn

Conclusion
In the hearts of English fans United carries the day

When you talk of tradition and history Man U is the greatest.

Liverpool was adjudged the "most successful" on the basis of winning
18 League(Division 1) titles and 5 UEFA Champions league.
Yes Trophies won, You are right, Man U will get there too.
However tradition and history is not easy to surpass.

Premiership is the talk of Europe now
when it comes to local leagues.
Manchester United has won the title 8 times
Liverpool none

Class ends for now!

its an insult to compare Manchester United wit ninnows like Arsenal.granted that liverpool is the most decorated of all english clubsides,none has the kind of rich cultural heritage which the Red Devils possess.Not to mention that it was home to Football greats in the likes of Eric Cantona,George Best,The deadly duo of dwight yorke and andy Cole and of course,Becks himself.The treble winning team of "99 reamins the best european club selection of all time.Nuff said!!

Blow

Why do we all have a reading problem on Nairaland Now i have to go on a long rant, which i have been trying to avoid

1 Sir Matt Busby is a legend Manager for United (i never said he wasn't JESUS), but he played 80% percent of his football in which club You guessd it LIVERPOOL.

"As a player, Busby began his career at Manchester City where he won an FA Cup Winner's medal in 1934, this following the cup runners-up medal he got the season before. Liverpool manager George Patterson then signed Busby for £8000 in the March of 1936. He made his debut for the Reds on 14 March away to Huddersfield, a game that ended in a 1-0 defeat for Liverpool. He opened his account a month later, his 47th minute strike helped his team to a 2-2 draw with Blackburn at Ewood Park.

Busby soon made the number 4 shirt his own, ousting Robert James Savage in the process. He rarely missed a game over the following three seasons. This consistency earned Busby the Liverpool captaincy and he lead the club with great distinction.

Busby started out as an inside-forward but was switched to the right-half berth early in his career. This turned out to be a wise move as Busby's graceful and stylish play, along with his outstanding passing ability made him a cut above the rest. Busby, along with Jimmy McDougall and Tom Bradshaw made up what is considered by many to be the best half-back line Liverpool had ever had.

Soon after Bob Paisley joined Liverpool from Bishop Auckland and it was Busby who took him under his wing and showed him the ropes at Anfield. This led to a lifelong friendship between two of the most successful managers in English football history. (Paisley for Liverpool and Busby for United)

The Second World War brought an end to Busby's playing days. It is thought that he could have gone on to make over three hundred appearances for the Liverpool."

As for OT

"Man United are the richest club side in England, (notwithstanding Roman's Chelsea) and OT is the Highest capacity ground, and yes Man United are the most succesful since the Premiership started, but guys English football did not"

I REMEMBER SAYING THIS, WHICH PART OF "OT being the highest capacity ground" did you not see "

But read this, (since you all love wikipedia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfield

especially this part; "Anfield is a football stadium in the district of Anfield, in Liverpool, England. A UEFA 4-star rated stadium, it is the home of Liverpool F.C - England's and UK's most successful club, having been the English league champions 18 times and the European Champions 5 times.

The stadium is well known for the Kop stand on the south-west side of the ground, and the atmosphere and noise those fans can create at games."

Now read the one for OT,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Trafford_%28football_ground%29

Notice the difference in history and tradition. for both stadias

GOONER 89

Now on to your list of players that have put on the Red of Liverpool or the Red of United.

Well Blow i can tell you without an iota of doubt, that More great players have put on the Red of Liverpool. Ask any other person that knows real stuff about the English league (not the Prem, that started in 1992, but the league that started in the 19th century) You talk about David Beckham, then Arsenal should see themselves as the best as they have a player that many tout to be one of the best (if not the best) player to have played in the Prem, who is Theeiry Henry (i didn't say so, it is the opinions of many, right or wrong is not my place to say).

So player wise, (apart from in the 90s and year 2000s, Liverpool have had a better ratio of stars than Man United. Please don't take my word for it, ask someone that knows the history of English football (if it is someone that doesn't support United, Arsenal or Liverpool, then that would be better as you would have a neutral, honest take on it).

I repeat, Liverpool are greater than United in England, through history and Tradition, Every British person knows this (even born and bred Manchester united supporters in England grudginly accept this as fact) But of recent (following the advent of the Prem) United are the most successful, but they are not considered the greatest (even including feats like the treble being taken into account ).

Its like Chelsea saying they are greater than Arsenal or Tottenham, whereas you could very well say they are as recent more successful than both clubs, but in terms of greatness in London, its Spurs, then Arsenal, then Chelsea. These are facts.

United are greater than Arsenal (under every category we chose to use) but Liverpool are greater than United (in terms of footballing history and tradition, United beat them in terms of Fan base and wealth and ground capacity, but thats where it stops)

But its a free world, and you can chose to believe what you want, but like i said, if you have a neutral football friend that knows his English footie history (Not just Prem history from 1992), please do ask him, or even if you are in England, ask neutral football supporters who they consider the Greatest (not most recent successful) English football club, i can bet with you that you will get an honest answer, and i am sure the answer will be LIVERPOOL.

Until then, lets just agree to disagree, for now, till you do the research and get back to me on your findings

GOONER 89

Mr. Blow

Go through these (since everyone loves Wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.

"Liverpool Football Club are an English professional football club based in Liverpool. They play in the Premier League and are the most successful club in English football. Liverpool have won eighteen First Division titles, seven FA Cups, seven League Cups, five European Cups and three UEFA Cups. Liverpool are a founder member of the G-14 group of leading European football clubs.

Liverpool were founded in 1892 and play at Anfield Stadium, where they have always played"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.

"Manchester United Football Club are a world-famous English football club, based at the Old Trafford stadium in Trafford, Greater Manchester, and are one of the most popular sports clubs in the world, with over 50 million supporters worldwide. Manchester United are one of the most successful clubs in the world and are second only to Liverpool F.C. in terms of trophies won by an English club.

They have won the Premier League/Football League 15 times, FA Cup 11 times (an English record), the League Cup twice, the European Cup twice, the UEFA Cup Winners Cup once, the Intercontinental Cup once, and the European Super Cup once. The club has had the highest average attendance in English football for the past 34 seasons, with the exception of 1987-89 during redevelopment at Old Trafford. Among European clubs, they have been perennial revenue leaders for the late 1990s and early 2000s, they are still the fourth richest (in terms of revenue) in the world."

Blow , i hope you noticed the clear difference, like i said, if you are not convinced, then ask neutrals, if after that you still feel the same, well you are very much entitled to your views as a Red Devil supporter, but Views will never constitute or change facts.

I rest my case.

GOONER 89

Blow is an ass.

he mentioned stadia and he did not mention the new Emirates.

In terms of history Liverpool is no.1 in england and if you really did know any english fans they will have told you that.

I am a Arsenal fan and hence have no bias in this.

Find me any site that lists Man U as no.1 in tradition

Oga V

Nah!! I don't think its that, its just that every supporter loves to blow his or her trumpet (it would help if they did some history lessons on the leagues their teams play in before they start making noise).

This is a trend especially seen in Nigeria, for example, you should see misconceptions Chelsea fans make in their comments, trying to correct them is seen as "sacrelage" as they are convinced that Chelsea have always been the Best in London, that they didn't notice them beforehand, as maybe Chelsea have been playing in "Invisible kits", pre Roman A and Maureen.

You now get most Fans making funny comment (including Gooners sadly ) without doing some research

Imagine one other "Clown" who happens to be a Manure supporter on NL , all in a bid of saying Wenger did not sign C Ronaldo, now went on a rant about how Wiltord was a flop in the same rank as Djemba Djemba And how wenger should be berated for buying him

So sometimes you have to make allowances for everyone, as we all feel we know stuff, and some times don't take to kindly to corrections or other views (we are all guilty of that as well sha!!)

But as they say "the truth will set you free". So in terms of Greatness in England, This is  how it goes;

1. LIVERPOOL
2. MAN UNITED
3. ARSENAL and co

folks can argue as much as they want. But doesn't change the fact from what it is, "FACTS"

Has nothing to do with being a Scummie, An Arse or a Loserpool supporter. FACT IS FACT(Always has and always will be).

GOONER 89

loyika:

Blow

Why do we all have a reading problem on Nairaland Now i have to go on a long rant,

ok

Thank God you are aware of your rants,

I just laughed when I see you placed Arsenal at No. 3,

I want to discontinue this debate because I need a real
Liverpool supporter to take me on this.
Since you can not provide facts and figures to back your
claims.

And another point of correction
wiki cannot give an authoritave assertion
For instance UEFA can give a stadium rating.(OT is rated higher than Anfield)
That is authoritave.

As for Viera
I just feel sorry for you,
Get some manners,
afterward we can talk,

My manners are reserved for those who earn not those who decide to fill the air with rubbish facts and then try to pass it off as gospel.

The greatness of any team boils down to number of trophies. End of.

Has Man U got more trophies than Liverpool?

No.

So how can they be a greater team than Liverpool?

Great teams are judged on their whole history and achievements on the pitch.

Take that and blow it out of any of your orifices.

BLOW FFS

what facts and figures do you want

Who have won more trophies in England

LIVERPOOL

Which english club have won more trophies in Europe

LIVERPOOL

Who has the most traditional stadia in England

LIVERPOOL

Jesus!! Guy what more do you want to hear ,

Secondly go to my first post in response to you, i said 3rd for trophies is Arsenal, For Tradition is Nott Forrest and for Popularity is/was Tottenham Hotspurs.

As for Stadia, Blow, Anfield has more History and Tradition than Old Tradfford. It is an older stadia for one, Liverpool have always played there, and IN ENGLAND it is seen as the best in terms of History and Tradition, Not in terms of Facilities or Capacity.

What in all of this do you not understand. JESUS H CHRIST!!

Please feel free to carry out your research, and get back to us all

As Oga V said, show us All 1 link, just 1 that says Manchester united is greater than Liverpool. Please take your time and look for it, take a whole F@cking year if you want.

Like i told you, ask anyone that knows the history of the English League (not only the Prem) or if you know a Born and Bred Manchurian please feel free to ask him, who is considered Greater in English football, MAN UNITED or LIVERPOOL.

I give up

GOONER 89