PappyMason:


NATO needs troops in Syria badly and they need a valid reason to do so.

The EU and US have been downplaying ISIS but in reality they know what they are doing. Most Americans and Europeans consider ISIS a threat to their security and can't see why their govts are not acting against them. If by tomorrow Cameron announces on the floor of Parliament his intentions to send ground troops majority of Brits who hold this same fear on ISIS will gullible agree to the plan without seeing that every aspect of their decision making process towards agreeing to send British troops to fight in Syria was craftily orchestrated from the very first time they saw a very well edited and filmed ISIS video to hearing of this attack in Parais last night.

This is shilling on overdrive.

If you need troops in Syria what's the point of letting them see Europe when you can simply turn them to an Al Nusra or ISIS after training them as rebels? Your points are not enough.

SirLewis:
Won't be surprised though if this is true. The Joint Chiefs of the US Military even planned to commit acts of terrorism on American soil during the JFK era code named "Operation Northwoods" which they would blame the Cubans for. The plan didn't materialize though after JFK got wind of it and shut it down. Funny thing is, this only came to public knowledge a few months before 9/11. The US can do ANYTHING to incite hatred against another nation or religion. Already someone has "claimed" he heard the gunmen shout "this is for Syria" before they opened fire at the Bataclan.

I have a thread here on the history of American false flag operations.

They make the enemy bigger and more evil than it is to warrant going to war and once they get there their narrative and objectives changes.

Can we forget how George Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to try invade Iraq but failed and then used the WMD scam?

PappyMason:


You think the world is a beautiful blissful place?

Before you say conspiracy theory know that every day in this world people, groups, organizations and govts go about conspiring to amass wealth and power.

Wake up from your slave state.

Stop hating on America,they make the world a better,safer place,their only mistake is the imposition of civilian or democratic government on muslim countries,which i think it can never work because weak leader can not rule a muslim country
The world would be safer today if america did not take out all those military regime

PappyMason:


If they only knew the history of America and BRITISH support for Sunni Islam in the beginning of the 20th century to dislodge the Ottoman empire.

I am tired of educating these autistic retarrds.

That's wrong. That people do not agree with you does not mean they are retarded.

Reyginus:
If you need troops in Syria what's the point of letting them see Europe when you can simply turn them to an Al Nusra or ISIS after training them as rebels? Your points are not enough.

Well because if you will fight Russia in Syria you must be prepeared to see Russia attack you in Europe.

NATO does not have the ground troops to engage Russia nor the heart at that.

Saudi clerics have already declared a Jihad on Russia and they are desperately making Russia's presence seem like another crusade.

Using suicidal fanatic Arab Muslims to fight Russia in Europe and ME makes a lot of sense going by the fact that they are more motivated and have the balls than your millenail fagg0t narcistic effeminate beta european man child.

Reyginus:
You will miss the point if you think because one is evil all evil are caused by/for him. You will miss it. I know the depth of US propaganda. They are capable of doing this. I also know the depth of the M.I 6 and External Intelligence. But I wouldn't conclude any is responsible yet especially with such weak analyses.

I'm not concluding they're responsible, but the likelihood that they had a hand in this or at least knew that it was going to happen is very high. It's strange that despite all the spying the NSA has been doing on millions of people world over before and after the whole Edward Snowden saga, terrorist attacks are still happening. I doubt the Paris terrorists were communicating through tin cans with ropes at both ends. If they could spy on Angela Merkel and possibly other world leaders for months, what makes a group of young guys and possibly teenagers any difficult?

Reyginus:
That's wrong. That people do not agree with you does not mean they are retarded.

He is typing from the comfort of his bedroom,he doesn't know if 75% says you are wrong,you are actually wrong

Reyginus:
That's wrong. That people do not agree with you does not mean they are retarded.

I don't expect you to agree with me NO to the contrary I want a healthy debate but what I wont stand for is some ediot disagreeing with me and without backing it up with facts.

If you see the ediots disagreeing with me here they have not offered any counter point but are rather insulting their father.

PappyMason:


Well because if you will fight Russia in Syria you must be prepeared to see Russia attack you in Europe.

NATO does not have the ground troops to engage Russia nor the heart at that.

Saudi clerics have already declared a Jihad on Russia and they are desperately making Russia's presence seem like another crusade.

Using suicidal fanatic Arab Muslims to fight Russia in Europe and ME makes a lot of sense going by the fact that they are more motivated and have the balls than your millenail fagg0t narcistic effeminate beta european man child.

You are very funny,Saying Nato can not take on Russia

bettercreature:
He is typing from the comfort of his bedroom,he doesn't know if 75% says you are wrong,you are actually wrong

And I guess you are in Syria now.

If you no get wetin to yarn but oppose for me for opposition sake then you can kindly leave.

Nah by force?

Does this look like CNN to you? If I air my opinion why does that make you mad?

bettercreature:
You are very funny,Saying Nato can not take on Russia

NATO can't take on Russia.

During the Thatcher era it was widely believed that the Soviets could easily overrun western Europe in 48 hrs if they chose to. The only deterrent was the Nuclear response that will be launched by NATO on Russia.

American bases where filled with heroine addicts and moral and discipline was very low and that was the only real ground forces NATO had!

There is no way NATO can defeat Russia.

If they could they would have since launched a strike to completely destroy Russia long ago.

bettercreature:
Stop hating on America,they make the world a better,safer place,their only mistake is the imposition of civilian or democratic government on muslim countries,which i think it can never work because weak leader can not rule a muslim country
The world would be safer today if america did not take out all those military regime

You have no single clue.

Since after world war 2 America has been involved in every single conflict plaguing the world.

bettercreature:
You are very funny,Saying Nato can not take on Russia

Here try and grasp around the fact that every nation that has ever dared Russia was totally obliterated

https://www.nairaland.com/2583161/russia-love

WombRaiders:
[size=18pt]"Russia is a midget, I will get her on her knees forever" - Charles XII, Sweden XVII Century.[/size]


Outcome: Sweden lost her great power status forever.



[size=18pt]"I will conquer backward Russia forever" -  Friedrich, mid- XVIII Century.[/size]

Outcome: In 1759, Russian Troops occupy Berlin.



[size=18pt]"Russia is a giant on clay legs" - Napoleon,  XIX Century.[/size]

Outcome:  In. 1814, Russian troops take over Paris after Napoleon's humiliating defeat in Russia



[size=18pt]"I will conquer Russia by the end of the year" - Hitler, XX Century.[/size]

Outcome:  In 1945 the Red Army enters Berlin.

[img]http://workersparty.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/victory_berlin_1945.jpg[/img]


[size=18pt]"Russia is just a regional power" - Obama, XXI century.[/size]

Outcome: September, 2015 Russian troops in Syria.

PappyMason:


Well because if you will fight Russia in Syria you must be prepeared to see Russia attack you in Europe.

Russia attack in Europe? I thought you are of the opinion they are being trained to be exported back for the mission? If that's the case wouldn't still attack Russia? War is not fought on some permanent strategies.

PappyMason:

NATO does not have the ground troops to engage Russia nor the heart at that.

Lol. How Russia is magnified because they dare challenge the destroyers of our world. Russia defeating NATO in ground troops is laughable. If any war is fought now Russia can only win with Nuclear war. You don't think in a ground battle military will be drafted from all NATO states if numbers becomes problem? And you also engage because you have more numbers? War is more than this things you are holding.

PappyMason:


Saudi clerics have already declared a Jihad on Russia and they are desperately making Russia's presence seem like another crusade.

Not evident yet they should try harder.

PappyMason:

Using suicidal fanatic Arab Muslims to fight Russia in Europe and ME makes a lot of sense going by the fact that they are more motivated and have the balls than your millenail fagg0t narcistic effeminate beta european man child.

What happened to sending back for the war as you initially put?

Reyginus:
If you need troops in Syria what's the point of letting them see Europe when you can simply turn them to an Al Nusra or ISIS after training them as rebels? Your points are not enough.

Because the impending world war 3 will be fought on more than one continent and Europe needs the man power to stand against the Russian, Iranian and Chinese.

7 million Males of Military age equipped with an automatic rifle is no joke!

SirLewis:
I'm not concluding they're responsible, but the likelihood that they had a hand in this or at least knew that it was going to happen is very high. It's strange that despite all the spying the NSA has been doing on millions of people world over before and after the whole Edward Snowden saga, terrorist attacks are still happening. I doubt the Paris terrorists were communicating through tin cans with ropes at both ends. If they could spy on Angela Merkel and possibly other world leaders for months, what makes a group of young guys and possibly teenagers any difficult?

The terrorists are not foolish. If I know you listen to my calls wouldn't I look for a way to shut you out? This people are not foolish. And the possibility of it being the Americans is not high except you are of the opinion that a high level technology and intelligence equates all crimes.

bettercreature:
He is typing from the comfort of his bedroom,he doesn't know if 75% says you are wrong,you are actually wrong

I don't really agree with the 75% analogy as they may be mostly ignorant. More than that number held that Galileo was wrong.

My concern is on his analysis. It doesn't really say anything direct or catchy. I know the Americans to be embers of crisis in our world but claiming they are responsible for every crisis in the world is irrational.

PappyMason:


I don't expect you to agree with me NO to the contrary I want a healthy debate but what I wont stand for is some ediot disagreeing with me and without backing it up with facts.

If you see the ediots disagreeing with me here they have not offered any counter point but are rather insulting their father.

I'm yet to see an idiot. I only see people responding to an incomplete analysis like humans are allowed to do. Only that they lack the patience to ask why or how

Everybody is an analyst and a conspiracy theorist.


1. France is an unshakeable ally to US.

2. US / UK killed the commander in question. with a US controlled DRONE.


So where on earth did your thinking come from ?

or u just copied and pasted online.

Reyginus:
The terrorists are not foolish. If I know you listen to my calls wouldn't I look for a way to shut you out? This people are not foolish. And the possibility of it being the Americans is not high except you are of the opinion that a high level technology and intelligence equates all crimes.

I want you to do a research on how the British backed and equipped Ibn Saud to wage a Jihad against the Ottoman Empire and how the formation of Saudi Arabia eventually gave rise to the state of Palestine as British colony.

I want you to also research how the Brits support Jihadi movements but only on the condition that they don't use the Mahdi doctrine and how this resulted in Saudi Arabia becoming a Kingdom and NOT a theocracy in spite of Islam's aberration of Monarchies.

dammytosh:
Everybody is an analyst and a conspiracy theorist.


1. France is an unshakeable ally to US.

2. US / UK killed the commander in question. with a US controlled DRONE.


So where on earth did your thinking come from ?

or u just copied and pasted online.

You have comprehension problem.

Ask somebody to read this thread and inteprete for you

PappyMason:


Because the impending world war 3 will be fought on more than one continent and Europe needs the man power to stand against the Russian, Iranian and Chinese.

7 million Males of Military age equipped with an automatic rifle is no joke!

The Chinese are not ready for any now. They are taking their time. Not now. Iran would like to but wouldn't because the facilities in Qom are still at their most basic level and highly monitored.

If Russia decides to go alone many will be lost on both sides but they will lose. You cannot fight someone who has a military base in almost every part of the world and forged the strongest of alliance to lose.

Reyginus:
I'm yet to see an idiot. I only see people responding to an incomplete analysis like humans are allowed to do. Only that they lack the patience to ask why or how?

I am only responsible for what I post. Their level of comprehension is not my concern. If they needed clarification why did they not simply ask rather than haul insults at me.

If they don't agree can't they state why and move on? Why should they insult me

donkarly:
This op must be high on some strong weed;tell me you joking. .

So sad so many people are ignorants of things going on in this world. Before you call the op names, why not google false flag operations and read about several that the US has been involved in. Let me help you with some:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

AND THIS WAS BY ISREAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

For an overview, read this:

Definition of False Flag

"False flag terrorism" occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy. Or as Wikipedia defines it:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy's strategy of tension.

The term comes from the old days of wooden ships, when one ship would hang the flag of its enemy before attacking another ship in its own navy. Because the enemy's flag was hung instead of the flag of the real country of the attacking ship, it was called a "false flag" attack.

9/11 Note: For those wanting to explore the possibility of 9/11 as a false flag operation, click here.

Historical False Flag Attacks

There are many examples of false flag attacks throughout history. For example, it is widely known that the Nazis, in Operation Himmler, faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland. And it has now been persuasively argued — as shown, for example, in this History Channel video — that Nazis set fire to their own parliament, the Reichstag, and blamed that fire on others. The Reichstag fire was the watershed event which justified Hitler's seizure of power and suspension of liberties.

And in the early 1950s, agents of an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers). Israel's Defense Minister was brought down by the scandal, along with the entire Israeli government. Click here for verification.

The Russian KGB apparently conducted a wave of bombings in Russia in order to justify war against Chechnya and put Vladimir Putin into power (see also this essay and this report). And the Turkish government has been caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group. Muslim governments also play this game. For example, the well-respected former Indonesian president claimed that their government had a role in the Bali bombings.

This sounds nuts, right? You've never heard of this "false flag terrorism," where a government attacks its own people then blames others in order to justify its goals, right? And you are skeptical of the statements discussed above? Please take a look at these historical quotes:

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

What about the U.S.?

Is it logical to assume that, even if other countries have carried out false flag operations (especially horrible regimes such as, say, the Nazis or Stalin), the U.S. has never done so? Well, as documented by the New York Times, Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950's posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay).

And, as confirmed by a former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence, NATO carried out terror bombings in Italy with the help of the Pentagon and CIA and blamed communists in order to rally people's support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Moreover, declassified U.S. Government documents show that in the 1960s, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan code-named Operation Northwoods to blow up American airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. The operation was not carried out only because the Kennedy administration refused to implement these Pentagon plans.

For lots more on the astonishing Operation Northwoods, see the ABC news report; the official declassified documents; and watch this interview with James Bamford, the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. One quote from the the declassified Northwoods documents states: "A 'Remember the Maine' incident could be arranged: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

What about Al-Qaeda?

You might think Al-Qaeda is different. It is very powerful, organized, and out to get us, right? Consider this Los Angeles Times article, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled The Power of Nightmares, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article on who is behind the hype). And former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski testified to the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative."

And did you know that the FBI had penetrated the cell which carried out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but had – at the last minute – cancelled the plan to have its FBI infiltrator substitute fake powder for real explosives, against the infiltrator's strong wishes? See also this TV news report.

Have you heard that the CIA is alleged to have met with Bin Laden two months before 9/11? Did you know that years after 9/11 the FBI first stated that it did not have sufficient evidence to prosecute Bin Laden for 9/11? (See also this partial confirmation by the Washington Post) And did you see the statement in Newsweek by the CIA commander in charge of the capture that the U.S. let Bin Laden escape from Afghanistan?

Have you heard that the anthrax attacks – which were sent along with notes purportedly written by Islamic terrorists – used a weaponized anthrax strain from the top U.S. bioweapons facility? Indeed, top bioweapons experts have stated that the anthrax attack may have been a CIA test "gone wrong." For more on this, see this article by a former NSA and naval intelligence officer and this statement by a distinguished law professor and bioterror expert (and this one).

It is also interesting that the only Congress members mailed anthrax letters were key Democrats, and that the attacks occurred one week before passage of the freedom-curtailing PATRIOT Act, which seems to have scared them and the rest of Congress into passing that act without even reading it. And though it may be a coincidence, White House staff began taking the anti-anthrax medicine before the Anthrax attacks occurred.

Even General William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency, said "By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism, yet in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation" (the audio is here).

Why Does This Matter?

Please read what the following highly respected people are saying:

Former prominent Republican U.S. Congressman and CIA official Bob Barr stated that the U.S. is close to becoming a totalitarian society and that elements in government are using fear to try to bring this about.

Republican U.S. Congressman Ron Paul stated that the government "is determined to have martial law." He also said a contrived "Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran." Former National Security Adviser Brzezinski told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify yet another war.

The former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts, who is called the "Father of Reaganomics" and is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, BusinessWeek, and Scripps Howard News Service, has said:

"Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging 'terrorist' attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?"

Retired 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, stated that if there was another major attack in the U.S., it would lead to martial law. He went on to say:

"We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation – big violent explosions of some kind – we have to not take the word of the masters there in Washington that this was some terrorist event because it could well be a provocation allowing them, or seemingly to allow them to get what they want."

The former CIA analyst would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror alerts and warnings and even terrorist events in order to rally people behind the flag.

General Tommy Franks stated that if another terrorist attack occurs in the United States "the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government." Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter stated before the Iraq war started that there were no weapons of mass destruction. He is now saying that he would not rule out staged government terror by the U.S. government. And British Parliament Member George Galloway stated that "there is a very real danger" that the American government will stage a false flag terror attack in order to justify war against Iran and to gain complete control domestically.

The abundance of reliable information in this essay suggests that not only has the U.S. in the past conducted false flag operations, but there is a possibility that 9/11 involved some element of this deceit, and a future false flag operation cannot be ruled out. Let us spread this news to all who care so that we might build the critical mass necessary to stop these secret operations and work together for a more caring civil society.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

PappyMason:


I want you to do a research on how the British backed and equipped Ibn Saud to wage a Jihad against the Ottoman Empire and how the formation of Saudi Arabia eventually gave rise to the state of Palestine as British colony.

I want you to also research how the Brits support Jihadi movements but only on the condition that they don't use the Mahdi doctrine and how this resulted in Saudi Arabia becoming a Kingdom and NOT a theocracy in spite of Islam's aberration of Monarchies.

I don't think I need a research to understand your point. Because that's not the point here.

I feel bad and pity for Muslims.They tell lies to themselves, hide & try to run away from reality. Muslims think if they close eyes the problems will also go away.

PappyMason:


You have comprehension problem.

Ask somebody to read this thread and inteprete for you

The nonsense you typed does not require any interpretation.


You called 8 men strapped with suicide belt and AK 47 shooting erratically an operation that requires CIA ?

The concert they went to, people were not checked for any threats before entry.

Terrorist attacked Charlie Hebdo and killed several cartoonists in the same France.

Stop unnecessary conspiracy theory and go and sleep.

NO GROUP has even claimed responsibility yet you TYPE ISIS responded in 24 hours. What if it is retaliation to France's intervention in Mali ?

Did America bring down the russian plane too ?

M0r0nic Reasoning called CONSPIRACY THEORY

Reyginus:
The Chinese are not ready for any now. They are taking their time. Not now. Iran would like to but wouldn't because the facilities in Qom are still at their most basic level and highly monitored.

If Russia decides to go alone many will be lost on both sides but they will lose. You cannot fight someone who has a military base in almost every part of the world and forged the strongest of alliance to lose.

You seem to overestimate America's capabilities.

The Americans only have one thing above the Russians and Chinese and that is their ability to quickly deploy troops any where around the world. But that doesnt make them better strategist or fighters than the Russian or Chinese

The Chinese have called every American threat in the Yellow Sea and south east Asia; Russia deployed troops in the heart of America's latest war games since September 23 and up till now the US is yet to match Russia's strenght on ground in Syria.

America is not all you assume her to be.

dammytosh:


The nonsense you typed does not require any interpretation.


You called 8 men strapped with suicide belt and AK 47 shooting erratically an operation that requires CIA ?

The concert they went to, people were not checked for any threats before entry.

Terrorist attacked Charlie Hebdo and killed several cartoonists in the same France.

Stop unnecessary conspiracy theory and go and sleep.

You think France is Borno?

Well I don here you.

Bye bye

Reyginus:
I don't think I need a research to understand your point. Because that's not the point here.

So what do you want me to clarify

dammytosh:
Everybody is an analyst and a conspiracy theorist.


1. France is an unshakeable ally to US.

2. US / UK killed the commander in question. with a US controlled DRONE.


So where on earth did your thinking come from ?

or u just copied and pasted online.

Yeah. The problem is because America has a lot of evil some of us forget that other people do evil. It is similar to what happens when something disappears in a congregation where a renowned thief is present. A lot of the eyes will be fixed at the thief.

PappyMason:


You think France is Borno?

Well I don here you.

Bye bye

So how did terrorist enter Charlie Hebdo's office and killed the cartoonists ? Was that in Zamfara ?

Killing with AK47 happens every where including Americaa and Britain so don't tell me CIVIL DEFENCE officer is a MOPOL.