biina:

You are the ignorant one, who has failed to substantiate his claims. You say Ramos is not the best RB, and you are yet to state in which areas your preferred choice is superior.

Cos i choose not to debate with a confused, sheep shagger should not give you the right to spew hokum at me.
Debating with you is like asking a blind man the colour of Brash's trainers on a saturday morning(he won't get it)!!

But then it is typical of those that cannot buttress their claims to try to divert attention by insulting the opposition and making personal remarks.

Shut your trap, u loon.
What do you know about football?
Ain't you the same idiot who had his cock out claiming Jose's Inter Milan would come to OT and eliminate Man Utd??

Your modus operandi  is to slap your butt and make a wrongful claim, and, instead of defending your position with concise arguments or admitting your mental failures, you runoff your loose cannon mouth on a tangent, trying to project your self disgust onto others, in exchange for a fleeting attention.

U have the mental power of a culex mosquito.
Coming here with a self-righteous, pseudo-persona will not win you any favours.
U disgusting piece of shit. . . . . . .

You sound frustrated with life, in which case, please do the rest of the world a favor and make yourself useful for once by hanging your self. Your death is way overdue ('cos you really shouldn't have been born). It would be good riddance to bad rubbish.

Of course, u shouldn't have been born.
You shoulda been the cum your mother swallowed with a swig of guinness.
What a retarded being. . . . . . . .If u die, no one would miss you.

Maicon is the best RB in the world

If Ramos is the best RB in the world, then Yobo is the best CB in the world

whats the difference between Ramos and Alves?
abeggi

maicon by a billion miles

Ramos? He's a flamboyant player with good flashes, plus he's good going forward. But as a RB? He's not exceptional - in fact, I think he'll make a better CB in the future than a RB.

Alves is more offensively gifted than Ramos, along with exceptional pace. As a RB, he's not excellent either.

Maicon beats them both hands down.

Bacary Sagna is even better than Sergio Ramos!!!

Sagna is the most accomplished RB in England.
He can defend and his invading runs in the attack are exceptional.
Whatz more. . . . . . .Sagna has a sweet right foot to deliver intelligent crosses in the box.
Just because some players don't hug the limelight like Dani Alves and Ramos does not mean they are not super-exceptional!!!

Sergio Ramos?? He is not better than a fit Wes Brown.

Alves is perfect for Barcelona. Maicon wouldn't do as well IMO. But IMO Maicon is better overall.

Puyol at the CL finals was better than all of them combined though

NL. . .na fire!! chei
See attack and counter attack.

Lets add some third person perspectives to this discussion.

- Ramos is so poor for a RB that he was voted as the RB of choice for the UEFA Team of the Year (2008) and the FIFA.com Team of the Year (2008)
- He is so poor that maldini said he is the best player to replace him at milan
- He is so poor that at Sevilla (at age 19), he was first choice RB ahead of Dani Alves
- He is so poor that Chelsea wanted him ahead of Bosingwa.
- He is so poor that at 23 he has been the first choice RB for real madrid for the past 4 seasons, scoring 24 goals with 10 assists in 170 appearances
- He is so poor that he is the first choice RB for defending European champions, Spain
I wonder what would have been if he was any good

Maicon is 27 and is likely playing the best football of his career, but like most (if not all) Brazilian FBs, still leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end.

Ramos is a card magnet and is at times guilty of losing concentration, but still the best RB overall.

@ Biina . .Two seasons ago I thought Sergio Ramos was the best RB/CB (defender in general) in the world . . Physically the guy is a freak of nature . . big, strong, fast, agile, skillful, can go full throttle for 90 etc and those headers of his  . . chei!! the guy is a soldier. If he wasn't a Madrid player I'd have confessed that I wanted him at Barcelona. . . .

haha,  i had more to this post (explaining why Ramos isn't the current best) . . but i chickened out and deleted it . .lol . woulda started another heated debate and i have work to do and don't wanna be distracted. I only need the flimsiest excuse to not get it done.  so a typical NL argument will have to do. . .  Ramos didn't win anything. . . he isn't the best. the best players win trophies  . . show me stats. .  stats. . . i want STATS!!!!! 

I cant think of anywhere to find defensive stats . .

Actually Ramos has averaged 6 goals and 5 assists over the last 2 seasons

Maicon has the better assist numbers . . averaging 8 assists over the last 2 seasons. . and scored 5 goals last season (scored only 1 the previous season but had 10 assists)

Dani averages 5 goals and 14 assists over the last 2 seasons. (even when u add a third season he still maintains his strong numbers)

Statistically Alves is better. . attacking wise that is, and since that is what we do at Barca I think Alves is best for us. But I think Ramos and Maicon are better than him defensively . . though Alves puts in a lot of work as well. His strength is attacking and our team is set up accordingly

So it is now between Maicon and Ramos . .   

Ramos is played in at CB quite a bit  . . that might affect his form because players that move around a lot tend to be inconsistent. (unless u're el capitan at the CL finals  ) . But he is a contender though IMO, just not sure if he should focus on being a CB . . He's pretty good at both spots.

Maicon just does the business week in and week out as RB, so he deserves it. Even though Alves is better for Barcelona . .Am i still making sense because i've totally lost my stream of thought

Ramos is preferred mostly due to his attacking abilities - Roberto Carlos wasn't an outstanding defender, but his attacking prowess was what made him world famous.

biina:

Lets add some third person perspectives to this discussion.

- Ramos is so poor for a RB that he was voted as the RB of choice for the UEFA Team of the Year (2008) and the FIFA.com Team of the Year (2008)

He's not poor, but definitely not the best - his Euro 2008 win with Spain coupled with the la liga title obviously helped to achieve popularity.

- He is so poor that maldini said he is the best player to replace him at milan

Best player to replace him is not synonymous with best RB is it?

- He is so poor that at Sevilla (at age 19), he was first choice RB ahead of Dani Alves

Was he home grown at Sevilla? Wasn't Alves bought? Wasn't Silvinho first choice LB over Cashley at Arsenal? Didn't Cashley eventually outperform him?

- He is so poor that Chelsea wanted him ahead of Bosingwa.

Evidence please

- He is so poor that at 23 he has been the first choice RB for real madrid for the past 4 seasons, scoring 24 goals with 10 assists in 170 appearances

Look at Madrid's defensive records and the thrashings they received - was Ramos not in the defence raped 4-0 by Liverpool? What about the double thrashing from Barcelona? Madrid has never been the best place for defenders - Ramos is liked there mostly for his attacking flair.

- He is so poor that he is the first choice RB for defending European champions, Spain

What other RB's does Spain have of note? Being first choice doesn't mean he is the best in the world, Spain is not exactly renowned for it's defenders.

Maicon is 27 and is likely playing the best football of his career, but like most (if not all) Brazilian FBs, still leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end.

He is still better defensively than Ramos

Ramos is a card magnet and is at times guilty of losing concentration, but still the best RB overall.

The lapses of concentration are abysmal and he loses his rag too often - his 'superstar' status is really affecting his game, and he is not stable/consistent enough to be the best RB overall.

He is so poor that maldini said he is the best player to replace him at milan

i tot Maldini was a LB or sometimes a CB
Ramos is a RB and has never played as a LB so who is replacing who?

He is so poor that at 23 he has been the first choice RB for real madrid for the past 4 seasons, scoring 24 goals with 10 assists in 170 appearances

does that make him the best? maybe Real need a clear out of people like Ramos to put a stop to the numerous maulings from rival clubs
6-2, 4-0 are terrible scorecards for any defender that played a part in such shows of shame

maicon is a better defender
Sagna is better than ramos defensively, hes more of a wingback than a defender so make we rest

One of the qualities of good full backs is the ability to join attack seamlessly.

Dani Alves for me anyday over Maicon or Ramos

Its fine that you feel that maicon is better, but it would be more credible if you could back up your view with some objective info or third party evaluations, and not just your personal opinions.

debosky:

Best player to replace him is not synonymous with best RB is it? 

Its an endorsement of his abilities.

Was he home grown at Sevilla? Wasn't Alves bought? Wasn't Silvinho first choice LB over Cashley at Arsenal? Didn't Cashley eventually outperform him? 

Alves was on loan and bought a year earlier. Dani was older, and was in the first team for two seasons before Ramos dislplaced him

Evidence please

Chelsea reportedly bid £55 million for Real Madrid full-back Sergio Ramos, according to Spanish newspaper El Pais, but the signing of Bosingwa represents Avram Grant's third prominent signing since replacing Mourinho as Chelsea manager.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2300258/Chelsea-sign-Portos-Jose-Bosingwa-for-16.2m.html

Look at Madrid's defensive records and the thrashings they received - was Ramos not in the defence raped 4-0 by Liverpool? What about the double thrashing from Barcelona? Madrid has never been the best place for defenders - Ramos is liked there mostly for his attacking flair.

Wasn't he on the same back line last year when Madrid had the best defensive record in la liga?

What other RB's does Spain have of note?  Being first choice doesn't mean he is the best in the world, Spain is not exactly renowned for it's defenders.

Arbeloa is second choice. Being first choice for the defending euro champions doesn't make you the best, but shows that you are up there.

He is still better defensively than Ramos
The lapses of concentration are abysmal and he loses his rag too often - his 'superstar' status is really affecting his game, and he is not stable/consistent enough to be the best RB overall.

Against barcelona, madrid tried to play the offside trap, and they failed miserably (not surprising given that they are not used to it). Henry sprung the trap with ease. They played much better at the nou camp.

Maicon is credited for his offensive abilities and not his defence. Probably you didn't see his gaffe against liverpool.

Seeing Maicon in this confed. Cup, I'd say he is better than Alves.

marginally Maicon becos he is a better crosser of the ball

biina:

Its an endorsement of his abilities. Alves was on loan and bought a year earlier. Dani was older, and was in the first team for two seasons before Ramos dislplaced him

[b]Chelsea reportedly bid £55 million for Real Madrid full-back Sergio Ramos, according to Spanish newspaper El Pais, but the signing of Bosingwa represents Avram Grant's third prominent signing since replacing Mourinho as Chelsea manager.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2300258/Chelsea-sign-Portos-Jose-Bosingwa-for-16.2m.html[/b]Wasn't he on the same back line last year when Madrid had the best defensive record in la liga?
Arbeloa is second choice. Being first choice for the defending euro champions doesn't make you the best, but shows that you are up there.
Against barcelona, madrid tried to play the offside trap, and they failed miserably (not surprising given that they are not used to it). Henry sprung the trap with ease. They played much better at the nou camp.

Maicon is credited for his offensive abilities and not his defence. Probably you didn't see his gaffe against liverpool.

Your retard, so you abide with rumours right?

Madrotor! Madrator!! modrator!!!

dyabman:

Your retard,  so you abide with rumours right?

It is a rumor when his brother/agent is said to have met with Abrahimovic to discuss it?

Further evidence of the rumours http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3564811,00.html

Happy Ramos flattered
Sergio Ramos has insisted that he is going nowhere and wants to retire at Real Madrid, but is flattered by the interest from Milan and Chelsea.
The Spain international has been the subject of reports linking him with a mega-money move to Stamford Bridge recently and previously to the San Siro, but he has sought to calm Los Merengues' fans."I am very sure that I am staying," he told Marca Radio.
"I am flattered that great teams like AC Milan or Chelsea are interested in me. That is a sign that things are going well for me and drives you on to keep improving and playing better for Real Madrid.

I guess all the sites like Skysports that carru the news are nothing but rumour mongers 

You can go and search the news archive, but it was common knowledge that Chelsea were interested in him back then, else you can find an article rebuffing it.
Unless you work for Chelsea or Madrid, you do not have first hand info, and we will have to go by what is the news.

BTW you should refrain from quoting and/or replying a retard, unless you are also one

Faintzzz

@ Topic

Alves

No Maicon! Coz alvez scored abi?

I hope the just concluded FIFA Confederation cup has put this argument to rest now. If nothing else, it has proved that while Maicon is a world class footballer, he is nowhere near the immensely gifted Alves.

And this has got nothing to do with the club I support, (Barcelona).

based on recent form and quality even a retard know maicon is better than alves

jalether:

based on recent form and quality even a retard know maicon is better than alves

How?
What recent form and quality?

khanye:

How?
What recent form and quality?

Admit it maicon is better than Alves, it was even confirmed in the confed cup

So you telling me Dunga is stupid for benching Alves for Maicon, Alves has no place

in that brazil starting 11 with a fully fit Maicon. go figure

jalether:

Admit it maicon is better than Alves, it was even confirmed in the confed cup

So you telling me Dunga is stupid for benching Alves for Maicon, Alves has no place

in that brazil starting 11 with a fully fit Maicon. go figure

Alvez played the 2 WC qualifiers against Uruguay and Paraguay before the confederation cup
Maicon is in the starting eleven because he has been in the team before Alves
That does'nt mean he's better
They both scored a goal each at the Confederation cup.
Alves is a complete RB! He can play free kicks, he can shoot, he can dribble
Why do you think he's better than Alves?

khanye:

Alvez played the 2 WC qualifiers against Uruguay and Paraguay before the confederation cup
Maicon is in the starting eleven because he has been in the team before Alves
That does'nt mean he's better
They both scored a goal each at the Confederation cup.
Alves is a complete RB! He can play free kicks, he can shoot, he can dribble
Why do you think he's better than Alves?

He can cross , he can defend laughing in ede

jalether:

He can cross , he can defend laughing in ede

Stop hating fool!

Alves can't cross a decent ball 2 save his life!

i will say dani alves

This is the order:
Jose Bosingwa
Dani Alves
D. Maicon
S. Ramos
Glen Johnson

I'll go for my own SERGIO RAMOS!!!