baralatie:

You skipped the part that state it was already a sovereign state which the UN recognises

East Timor (i/ˌiːst ˈtiːmɔr/) or Timor-Leste (/tiˈmɔr ˈlɛʃteɪ/), Tetum: Timór Lorosa'e, officially the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste (Portuguese: República Democrática de Timor-Leste, Tetum: Repúblika Demokrátika Timór-Leste),[5] is a sovereign state in Maritime Southeast Asia.[2] It comprises the eastern half of the island of Timor, the nearby islands of Atauro and Jaco, and Oecusse, an exclave on the northwestern side of the island, within Indonesian West Timor. The country's size is about 15,410 km2 (5,400 sq mi).[6]

East Timor was colonised by Portugal in the 16th century, and was known as Portuguese Timor until November 1975, when the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) declared the territory's independence. Nine days later, it was invaded and occupied by Indonesia and was declared Indonesia's 27th province the following year. The Indonesian occupation of East Timor was characterised by a highly violent decades-long conflict between separatist groups (especially FRETILIN) and the Indonesian military.

In 1999, following the United Nations-sponsored act of self-determination, Indonesia relinquished control of the territory. East Timor became the first new sovereign state of the 21st century on 20 May 2002 and joined the United Nations and the Community of Portuguese Language Countries. In 2011, East Timor announced its intention to gain membership status in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations by applying to become its eleventh member.[7] It is one of only two predominantly Christian nations in Southeast Asia, the other being the Philippines.

OfoIgbo:


The UN can do a great deal to Nigeria, if the country is not united. A faulty and fraudulent constitution has already created the disunity. The only way to be impervious to UN manilulations is the discarding of the 1999 constitution and the adoption of the People's constitution. That will ensure every section of Nigeria sees Nigeria as protecting their interest, hence worth fighting for.

As things stand, the UN can easily destroy Buhari or Nigeria because a huge section within Nigeria, feel marginalised. Igbos alone can easily defeat Nigeria, if Nigeria is not supported by the west, let alone in a situation where the UN gives them the legal backing and weapons procurement rights.

That is why the only way to go, is the adoption of a people's constitution, thus giving everyone a sense of belonging

The UN charter recognises Nigeria as its member and as a security member in NATO!
So this emotional comment is uncalled for

baralatie:

Which of the nut shell

O'boy, you are killing me here

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HiddenShadow:




East Timor (i/ˌiːst ˈtiːmɔr/) or Timor-Leste (/tiˈmɔr ˈlɛʃteɪ/), Tetum: Timór Lorosa'e, officially the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste (Portuguese: República Democrática de Timor-Leste, Tetum: Repúblika Demokrátika Timór-Leste),[5] is a sovereign state in Maritime Southeast Asia.[2] It comprises the eastern half of the island of Timor, the nearby islands of Atauro and Jaco, and Oecusse, an exclave on the northwestern side of the island, within Indonesian West Timor. The country's size is about 15,410 km2 (5,400 sq mi).[6]

East Timor was colonised by Portugal in the 16th century, and was known as Portuguese Timor until November 1975, when the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) declared the territory's independence. Nine days later, it was invaded and occupied by Indonesia and was declared Indonesia's 27th province the following year. The Indonesian occupation of East Timor was characterised by a highly violent decades-long conflict between separatist groups (especially FRETILIN) and the Indonesian military.

In 1999, following the United Nations-sponsored act of self-determination, Indonesia relinquished control of the territory. East Timor became the first new sovereign state of the 21st century on 20 May 2002 and joined the United Nations and the Community of Portuguese Language Countries. In 2011, East Timor announced its intention to gain membership status in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations by applying to become its eleventh member.[7] It is one of only two predominantly Christian nations in Southeast Asia, the other being the Philippines.

Did you see the part it was already independent after Portuguese rule in 1975

OfoIgbo:


The UN can do a great deal to Nigeria, if the country is not united. A faulty and fraudulent constitution has already created the disunity. The only way to be impervious to UN manilulations is the discarding of the 1999 constitution and the adoption of the People's constitution. That will ensure every section of Nigeria sees Nigeria as protecting their interest, hence worth fighting for.

As things stand, the UN can easily destroy Buhari or Nigeria because a huge section within Nigeria, feel marginalised. Igbos alone can easily defeat Nigeria, if Nigeria is not supported by the west, let alone in a situation where the UN gives them the legal backing and weapons procurement rights.

That is why the only way to go, is the adoption of a people's constitution, thus giving everyone a sense of belonging

1. Nigeria is not at war
2. Nigeria is a sovereign state with rule of law
3. Nigeria is one of UN's pet projects of successful democracies in Africa. There is no UN self interest to meddle in its affairs when it's the beacon of democracy in a backward continent
4. World affairs just don't work that way otherwise you will have precedence to cite

Let's keep the thread cerebral please and leave tribal destruction for another day....Thanks

Dedetwo:


The right to Self-determination is supported by Sections 35, 40 and 41 of the Fundamental Human Rights Charter of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

You are a sexy joker.

Tell the world what the section of the constitution saysand see your folly and illiteracy at play.

Super1Star:


You are a sexy joker.

Tell the world what the section of the constitution saysand see your folly and illiteracy at play.

I already posted it and yet to get a response.

It's just more obvious this whole Biafran thing wasn't well thought out and it's no wonder the very educated are staying away from it. Just a few checks here and there identifies gapping holes in any strategy.

And we've not even talked about the steps to even get a referendum at play!

OfoIgbo:


The UN can do a great deal to Nigeria, if the country is not united. A faulty and fraudulent constitution has already created the disunity. The only way to be impervious to UN manilulations is the discarding of the 1999 constitution and the adoption of the People's constitution. That will ensure every section of Nigeria sees Nigeria as protecting their interest, hence worth fighting for.

As things stand, the UN can easily destroy Buhari or Nigeria because a huge section within Nigeria, feel marginalised. Igbos alone can easily defeat Nigeria, if Nigeria is not supported by the west, let alone in a situation where the UN gives them the legal backing and weapons procurement rights.

That is why the only way to go, is the adoption of a people's constitution, thus giving everyone a sense of belonging

Don't you get it. Which super power will support it, when each of them have secession cries in their backyard.

In USA, the southern states are crying to pull out of the union.

In China, Tibet is crying like a child that was abandoned by his mother.

In Russia, Chenchya is there.

In Spain, basque and Catalonia are in a constitutional log jam.

In Canada, the plebiscite and resolution of Quebec To break away from Canada was null and void.

In Britain, we just had Scotland referendum sailing through after 200years of agitation and what was the end result?

Secession of Eritrea, East Timor and South Sudan came with blood and water that was shed for years.

Kosovo is the only country that seceded with UN resolution, which was borne out of slobodan milosevic genocidal acts. Hence, the special status it is accorded.

Super1Star:


You are a sexy joker.

Tell the world what the section of the constitution saysand see your folly and illiteracy at play.

What an inveterate ninny. No constitution explicitly guarantees secession. However the fundamental human rights charter guarantees the three basic rights to self determination as long as the people have territorial home land. They are:

Right to personal liberty
Right to peaceful assembly and association
Right to freedom of movement

kayfra:


I already posted it and yet to get a response.

It's just more obvious this whole Biafran thing wasn't well thought out and it's no wonder the very educated are staying away from it. Just a few checks here and there identifies gapping holes in any strategy.

And we've not even talked about the steps to even get a referendum at play!

The only way to activate referendum is through constitution amendment which can only be done by the National Assembly. If we are really serious about the insertion of that clause, the elected parliamentarians from SS, SW, SE and NC only need to build bridges and they will have their way.

It can never happen or might be difficult to see reality because those politicians are mostly after their interest and not the interest of some jobless and dirty looking riff raffs observing early morning jogging exercise in the name of protesting for one online and imaginary nation.

Dedetwo:



What an inveterate ninny. No constitution explicitly guarantees secession. However the fundamental human rights charter guarantees the three basic rights to self determination as long as the people have territorial home land. They are:

Right to personal liberty
Right to peaceful assembly and association
Right to freedom of movement

Total baloney. Show me where that has been used as a case for self determination. You are conflating different rights though not mutually exclusive, but different categories under international law.

We should have precedence of this. Just give us examples.

Dedetwo:



What an inveterate ninny. No constitution explicitly guarantees secession. However the fundamental human rights charter guarantees the three basic rights to self determination as long as the people have territorial home land. They are:

Right to personal liberty
Right to peaceful assembly and association
Right to freedom of movement

Illiterate joker.

How does your right to left and right to centre translates to constitution guaranteeing self determination?

Some of you are either too lazy to read up or you can only read and write but lacks comprehension capacity.

Super1Star:


Don't you get it. Which super power will support it, when each of them have secession cries in their backyard.

In USA, the southern states are crying to pull out of the union.

In China, Tibet is crying like a child that was abandoned by his mother.

In Russia, Chenchya is there.

In Spain, basque and Catalonia are in a constitutional log jam.

In Canada, the plebiscite and resolution of Quebec To break away from Canada was null and void.

In Britain, we just had Scotland referendum sailing through after 200years of agitation and what was the end result?

Secession of Eritrea, East Timor and South Sudan came with blood and water that was shed for years.

Kosovo is the only country that seceded with UN resolution, which was borne out of slobodan milosevic genocidal acts. Hence, the special status it is accorded.

Thank you. Hardly any country on earth without separatist movements and no extreme case of persecution against Biafrans exist in Nigeria so moot point for UN intervention. Extreme being the keyword.

nduchucks:


Oga, you right to personal liberty does not mean that you are at liberty to slap me unprovoked. You are not at liberty to commit treasonable offenses because of this so-called right to personal liberty of yours either.

Preach that sermon to the birds.

This is jokingly moronic. Of course, nobody goes around slapping people on slightest of provocation. I do not think any right thinking fellow would want to overthrow any government of a zoo such as Nigeria. Who really wants such forsaken country and headache? The IPOB and MASSOB will happily wish that the dilapidated country with no future such as Nigeria will run parallel with country such as Biafra so that people can regret the life span of Nigeria.

kayfra:


Thank you. Hardly any country on earth without separatist movements and no extreme case of persecution against Biafrans exist in Nigeria. Extreme being the keyword.

Their problem is that they are intellectually lazy.

UK can never back the breaking of Nigeria and you can rest assured other western powers will be less bothered, most especially US. Russia does not give a hoot, in as much as it can sell its own ammunition to all sides. China will stand aloof.

Maybe they are counting on Gabon, Tanzania and Cote'd Ivoire once more at the UN.

Super1Star:


Illiterate joker.

How does your right to left and right to centre translates to constitution guaranteeing self determination?

Some of you are either too lazy to read up or you can only read and write but lacks comprehension capacity.

You are a renounced dunce if you cannot see the reasons for self determination in the basic rights guaranteed by human rights charter of 1999 Nigerian constitution.

Dedetwo:


This is jokingly moronic. Of course, nobody goes around slapping people on slightest of provocation. I do not think any right thinking fellow would want to overthrow any government of a zoo such as Nigeria. Who really wants such forsaken country and headache? The IPOB and MASSOB will happily wish that the dilapidated country with no future such as Nigeria will run parallel with country such as Biafra so that people can regret the life span of Nigeria.

If wishes were horses, dellusional IPOB an MASSOB, lead by folks like Dedetwo, would ride.

Lets all agree to obey the laws of this great country and also agree that all lawbreakers should be punished according to the law and for each crime they are charged with. Thus if you are found not guilty of your first crime, while you've comitted multiple crimes, and you are now charged with additional crimes, you should be man enough to face the music.

kayfra and Super1Star are doing a great job at educating you here. I dey gbadun dem.

Super1Star:


Their problem is that they are intellectually lazy.

UK can never back the breaking of Nigeria and you can rest assured other western powers will be less bothered, most especially US. Russia does not give a hoot, in as much as it can sell its own ammunition to all sides. China will stand aloof.

Maybe they are counting on Gabon, Tanzania and Cote'd Ivoire once more at the UN.

Only a fool thinks that next war in Nigeria will look like that of 1967. There is nothing absolutely wrong for any group of people to exercise their fundamental human rights as stated in human right charter enshrined in 1999 Nigerian constitution. If it is going to lead to war, so be it.

Super1Star:


Their problem is that they are intellectually lazy.

UK can never back the breaking of Nigeria and you can rest assured other western powers will be less bothered, most especially US. Russia does not give a hoot, in as much as it can sell its own ammunition to all sides. China will stand aloof.

Maybe they are counting on Gabon, Tanzania and Cote'd Ivoire once more at the UN.

Imagine a UN security council meeting and the topic is Nigeria.

Nigeria, the latest bastion of western democracy in Africa has issues with a separatist group wanting to secede.
Obama: Do they have representatives in their legislative government?
UK: What's the population of the folks agitating in the various groups ipob, massob, etc versus the actual population of the regions involved
UN Secretary General : What does their constitution say?
China: We have contracts and loans with Nigeria. Don't want to Bleep it up.
Russia: Which of the groups can easily buy my weapons without us annoying the hell out of you folks?
France: Will it give Catalonians funny ideas?
Canada: what territory will the new country be based on? The one drawn in a radio station's studio?

UN Resolution: Even though the agitators don't have a political mandate or political representation in their host country nor does the host country's constitution support a secession. Let's break up and tread upon the sovereignity of Nigeria and watch it splinter further amongst other groups. We should use this as a precedence and template for future breakups. In fact, let's even apply the same right for Chechnya, Tibet, Southern USA, Alaska, Hawaii, Texas, Basque, Catalonia, Niger Delta, Oduduwa, Quebec etc

How really dumb is that?

Lolz

nduchucks:


If wishes were horses, dellusional IPOB an MASSOB, lead by folks like Dedetwo, would ride.

Lets all agree to obey the laws of this great country and also agree that all lawbreakers should be punished according to the law and for each crime they are charged with. Thus if you are found not guilty of your first crime, while you've comitted multiple crimes, and you are now charged with additional crimes, you should be man enough to face the music.

kayfra and Super1Star are doing a great job at educating you here. I dey gbadun dem.

I guess you realized that Self-determination is alive and kicking not only in Nigerai. Now, if self-determination in certain nations are stalled, the IPOB and MASSOB express train will only end with country in birth. No war can stop the train.

Dedetwo:


Only a fool thinks that next war in Nigeria will look like that of 1967. There is nothing absolutely wrong for any group of people to exercise their fundamental human rights as stated in human right charter enshrined in 1999 Nigerian constitution. If it is going to lead to war, so be it.

We have asked you which of the 1999 constitution is your dream self determination enshrined, but you have been foaming in the mouth rather than giving a simple logical answer.

How shallow can you be?


Be rest assured if 2million people were suyanised the last time, I hope 20million will not be used for target practise this time around. No thanks to the sophistication of modern weapons.

Dedetwo:


You are a renounced dunce if you cannot see the reasons for self determination in the basic rights guaranteed by human rights charter of 1999 Nigerian constitution.

I will rather ignore your brainless igbotically and odoriferous buccal cavity diarrhoea.

By the post of some people, you will know they are osu caste, conquered Nigerian slave and 5th class citizens of Nigeria.

Super1Star:


We have asked you which of the 1999 constitution is your dream self determination enshrined, but you have been foaming in the mouth rather than giving a simple logical answer.

How shallow can you be?


Be rest assured if 2million people were suyanised the last time, I hope 20million will not be used for target practise this time around. No thanks to the sophistication of modern weapons.

Only a dumbass fool will expect that secession will explicitly stated in a nation's constitution. There are enough provisions already in the Nigeria constitution that support the actions of IPOB and MASSOB. The rant and noise of dingbats are quite irrelevant.

Dedetwo:


Only a dumbass fool will expect that secession will explicitly stated in a nation's constitution. There are enough provisions already in the Nigeria constitution that support the actions of IPOB and MASSOB. The rant and noise of dingbats are quite irrelevant.

Your shallowness is legendary and I pity who ever calls you a son or a father!!!

Super1Star:


I will rather ignore your brainless igbotically and odoriferous buccal cavity diarrhoea.

By the post of some people, you will know they are osu caste, conquered Nigerian slave and 5th class citizens of Nigeria.

What a dingbat!!! IPOB and MASSOB have no interest in you wasteful land yet you are twisted out of human form because protesters do not want have miscreants as compatriots.

Dedetwo:


Only a dumbass fool will expect that secession will explicitly stated in a nation's constitution. There are enough provisions already in the Nigeria constitution that support the actions of IPOB and MASSOB. The rant and noise of dingbats are quite irrelevant.

Read my very first post. You need it supported in the constitution before it is legal in the absence of a major war where Nigeria is totally out of control.

Some countries do include secession as stated some pages back.

Let's keep it civil guys.

Whatever insults are thrown. Facts don't change and facts are stubborn.

Dedetwo:


What a dingbat!!! IPOB and MASSOB have no interest in you wasteful land yet you are twisted out of human form because protesters do not want have miscreants as compatriots.

Nincompoops are meant to be ignored.

kayfra:
Let's keep it civil guys.

Whatever insults are thrown. Facts don't change and facts are stubborn.

The scallywag is picking the abusive game with the wrongest person. Even the iPod e-warriors won't thread the path he is trying to thread with me.

Worst case scenario I will be banned. He should be assured that i will gladly tell him who his fathers and grandfathers are in this country, as well as their cannibalistic history.

Super1Star:


Your shallowness is legendary and I pity who ever calls you a son or a father!!!

All these because groups of people do not want silly rapscallions as compatriots. Even the so-called Osu have decided you are not worthy of being compatriots. Are you not a useless pestilent to have a headache because a group of people have decided to leave Nigeria? Any slightly accomplished fellow will be careless if dumbass junky such as you decides to vacates the country. Personally, I do not give a fig or a ratass If Nigeria disintegrates into 250 nations because my people are sure to survive any condition. We are not deceitful bast.asd like few group in Nigeria who seem to develop acute fever the moment the word -secession or Biafra is mentioned.

kayfra:
Let's keep it civil guys.

Whatever insults are thrown. Facts don't change and facts are stubborn.

Agreed. No insults please.

kayfra:
Let's keep it civil guys.

Whatever insults are thrown. Facts don't change and facts are stubborn.

There are certain things constitutional provisions or lack thereof cannot stop in human nature. When groups of people have cultivated the idea of secession, there is no legal teaching that can stop it. It may takes years yet it must come to accomplishment.