Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by omonnakoda: 7:48am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Afam4eva:
It's people like you that get it wrong. Igbos have never said that they're the only one being marginalized but they're speaking for themselves. As much as Nigerians irrespective of tribe are marginalized, that of Igbos is on another level. You can keep denying it to yourself all you want but the truth is there to see. Remember when you said this Afam4eva: Al_harem has spoken the truth. You cannot eat your cake and still want to have. PDP controls the center.So, states that will benefit from the center are PDP states. They should go and meet oga Tinubu if they feel marginalized. So don't you thinks Ibos should go and meet Oga Jona? You must be consistent and not a hypocrite Let me remind you if you are too young to remember in 1979 Shagari Preseident Ekwueme Vice president Joe Wayas Senate President Edwin Ume-Ezeoke Speaker House of Representatives There was no Yoruba any where in sight in the Government and this was just 9 years after the civil war in which Ibos were "victims". The first republic was no different went the Ibos teamed up with the North and so again in 2011. Ibos have ALWAYS relied on being in the central government and feel like a fish out of water now that they are having to taste opposition for the first time I just hope people will examine the facts and see who really depends on being in government in the centre and who really has been the collaborator of the North.S if you are looking for marginalization in government look at the SW we are used to it. It was so in 1960,1963,1979 2011 Facts Facts Facts not sentiment Yes you are correct when you say You can keep denying it to yourself all you want but the truth is there to see. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by omonnakoda: 8:04am On Jan 02, 2016 |
FIVE YEARS LATER aljharem: this people are funny u know. Just i thought this people want to eat there cake and have it again
they all voted for ACN thus they want regional government ie fedralism
yet they still want the advantages of being in the mainstream politics
abeg make them go sit down
when it is time they should go meet tinubu there master 4 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by omonnakoda: 8:05am On Jan 02, 2016 |
chino11: This is a welcome development, the Yorubas should be effectively and perpetually marginalized and schemed out, because they deserve worst things also. What did they achieve for their rotten Yoruba states during wasted years of the baboon called Obasanjorijo Useless and woe tribe. They should step up the complaint, GEJ will as usual and as always mess them up. They forgot that Tinubo sold them out for a pot of 'ewodu', the same way their foolish leaders sold out abioala to the almajiris to be slaughtered. 3 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by cheruv: 9:15am On Jan 02, 2016 |
sanmibukunmi:
hmmmmmm dts true though. I am just getting tired of the whinning. as a matter of fact an igbo family spent the whole of Christmas with my family. we ate together , played together. but this nairalanders really make it look like we are enemies. A gāju onye Finally its been long I heard this common Yoruba lie |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by sanmibukunmi: 9:16am On Jan 02, 2016 |
cheruv:
A gāju onye
Finally its been long I heard this common Yoruba lie
whether you believe or not is not my problem though 2 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 9:22am On Jan 02, 2016 |
icewinz: 1&2 are idiomatic expression. 3 earth worm- TANA. 4 ant-CHINAKA. 4 burgu-RABBIT.
SECTION B.
LOL,you are giving me idioms to answer bt sorry sir cuase graduate in huasa language like you has never been noted even in the north,sha ah know one answer- 2-baba na ciki gemu na waje-MAIZE.
Anybody who thinks islam are here for peace should emial me,ah would give he/she my num,so i can send the leaked voice call between arewa progresive form which in the call one alhaji was saying how the woiuld finish the igbo and render them useless. Smh stop talking what you dont know. Burgu means rat and not rabbit. Ask Sameer As for the idioms, i dare you to ask any Hausa man you see on the streets. In fact most illiterates know the idioms better than us Baba na daka gemu na waje means smoke! Oh, its christianity that is here for peace right? We all know everything Namdi Kanu said about the Yorubas and Hausas. Dont dare me, i have a full callection of bible verses that encourage violence esp to non-christians 3 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 9:25am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Rilwayne001:
lool.. I have seen them here in Ibadan. One is living beside my house. He is a friend though. They also have their own church, that consist mostly northern christians. Maybe 15-20 members I think. They speak fluent Hausa. Wow. But the one a quoted is just a hausa-wannabe cos he didnt attemt the questions. The one that attempted got 2/4 |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 9:30am On Jan 02, 2016 |
modath:
The highlighted just made me too also realise that ALL the hausa speaking christians i know are all from the minority tribes, but why is it so ?
I have lived in FCT since dem military days & also waka deep into north for NYSC so i should know one at least.
I dont know @ all. You can find Fulani christians but you can hardly find a Hausa christian. I have never seen one myself |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by frleopardo: 9:31am On Jan 02, 2016 |
obailala: I am from the SE myself and we are not going anywhere, sorry! You know what they say about empty vessels making the loudest noise?... Don't let yourself be deceived by the noise you hear from some of these empty vessels online, they do not make up the larger population of Igbos. fuuk off . you are not from the SE. slowpoke |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 9:43am On Jan 02, 2016 |
sanmibukunmi:
OK keep crying about spilt milk....other people have moved on. if you choose not to then dts your biz If you like continue wailing up and down on every topic bothering on Igbo affairs just because they desire a separate existence from lazy ass-lickers, parasites, treasury looters, never-do-wells and imperialists. |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 9:46am On Jan 02, 2016 |
abduljabbar4:
Burgu means rat and not rabbit. Ask Sameer
As for the idioms, i dare you to ask any Hausa man you see on the streets. In fact most illiterates know the idioms better than us
Baba na daka gemu na waje means smoke!
Oh, its christianity that is here for peace right? We all know everything Namdi Kanu said about the Yorubas and Hausas. Dont dare me, i have a full callection of bible verses that encourage violence esp to non-christians Bring it on. Don't chicken out. |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by sanmibukunmi: 10:06am On Jan 02, 2016 |
xtropy:
If you like continue wailing up and down on every topic bothering on Igbo affairs just because they desire a separate existence from lazy ass-lickers, parasites, treasury looters, never-do-wells and imperialists. hahahahahaha....chai your words show how pained you are....am not responsible for your woes so stop crying bro. look at your words you are the wailer here. and FYI I seriously want you ppl to go. 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Nobody: 10:08am On Jan 02, 2016 |
did you ask these questions before deciding to vote goodluck Jonathan enmass in 2015 after 6years of cluelessness?
it is people like you and the others on this forum that make people think the IQ of an average Igbo individual is way below average. yet I know this not to be the case.
just look now, while the Ijaws have moved on after the defeat of their son in the last election, people like you from the SE (in a classic case of crying more than the bereaved) are still wailing up and down, and propping up Jonathan as a soon-to-be Nobel awardee. 4 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 10:09am On Jan 02, 2016 |
sanmibukunmi:
hahahahahaha....chai your words show how pained you are....am not responsible for your woes so stop crying bro. look at your words you are the wailer here.
and FYI I seriously want you ppl to go. If you like continue your wailing because you're about to be left in your misery. That's your cup of tea. 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 10:13am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Ioannes: did you ask these questions before deciding to vote goodluck Jonathan enmass in 2015 after 6years of cluelessness?
it is people like you and the others on this forum that make people think the IQ of an average Igbo individual is way below average. yet I know this not to be the case. See an ewedu eater still chestbeating in the public when his tribe rarely stand for anything in life even with their much taunted 'sufferstication', nay 'sophistication'. |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Deadlytruth(m): 10:15am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Bryan37:
Re u sure u know history?
If I recalled
It was the killing of the Igbos in the North That prompted OJUKWU to declare for Biafra.
Just today. A committee has been set to rehabilitate North east after suffering "insurgency"
What happened to the rehabilitation of South East after "a war"?
Plz go back to School!!!!! Igbos started being killed in very large numbers in the North far before 1966/67 pogroms which Ojukwu claimed made him declare Biafra. A lot of Igbos were killed in 1945 and 1953 in the North. With these two ethnic cleansing against Igbos by Northerners one would not have expected Azikiwe to have later in 1960 forged an alliance with the same North at all no matter his earlier beef with Awolowo whose Yoruba people had never shed any single Igbo man's blood in the West prior to that time. Why did Zik cut his nose to spite his face? Was the need to avenge Awolowo's 'sin' against him more important and urgent than the need to have accepted Awolowo's offer thus prevent from rising to power the very people who had been slaughtering his own brothers and were definitely going to use such official power to further wreck carnage on his tribe which they already hated and did not pretend about it? How could a leader, in pursuit of personal vendetta, sacrifice the future and freedom of those he was leading and representing? Why could Ojukwu and Ironsi not declare Biafra as at when they were both still in power and had the ultimate wherewithal to do so knowing fully well that Igbo massacres had already started far before then? What sort of belief in one Nigeria was that? 2 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Nobody: 10:21am On Jan 02, 2016 |
xtropy:
See an ewedu eater still chestbeating in the public when his tribe rarely stand for anything in life even with their much taunted 'sufferstication', nay 'sophistication'. come and see your kith and kin, your family members eating ewedu with me here in the southwest. I am sure they will give you the testimony that it is way better than eating human flesh. we know who are the chest beaters extraordinnaire in Nigeria. the gra gra people. the people who swore up and down that if Kanu was touched Nigeria will see hell. Shege. my ethnic group, the Yoruba, is well respected the world over. I won't even go there. yours is known for haven been trounced in a war, not to mention all sorts of notorious atrocities committed in Indonesia and other Asian tiger countries. read my lips. M.U.M.U. 5 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 10:25am On Jan 02, 2016 |
xtropy:
Bring it on. Don't chicken out. You must kill and destroy those who worship another god[exodus 22:20] And the Qur'an says: be righteous and act justly toward those who worship another god[quran 60:8] 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by icewinz(m): 10:25am On Jan 02, 2016 |
abduljabbar4:
Burgu means rat and not rabbit. Ask Sameer
As for the idioms, i dare you to ask any Hausa man you see on the streets. In fact most illiterates know the idioms better than us
Baba na daka gemu na waje means smoke!
Oh, its christianity that is here for peace right? We all know everything Namdi Kanu said about the Yorubas and Hausas. Dont dare me, i have a full callection of bible verses that encourage violence esp to non-christians u just sound funny,i dare you nigga,qoute any bible verse that preaches against violence. |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 10:29am On Jan 02, 2016 |
icewinz: u just sound funny,i dare you nigga,qoute any bible verse that preaches against violence. You must kill and destroy those who worship another god[exodus 22:20] Compared to Qur'an: be righteous and act justly toward those who worship another god[quran 60:8] I have hundreds of them 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 11:15am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Ioannes:
come and see your kith and kin, your family members eating ewedu with me here in the southwest. I am sure they will give you the testimony that it is way better than eating human flesh.
we know who are the chest beaters extraordinnaire in Nigeria. the gra gra people. the people who swore up and down that if Kanu was touched Nigeria will see hell. Shege.
my ethnic group, the Yoruba, is well respected the world over. I won't even go there.
yours is known for haven been trounced in a war, not to mention all sorts of notorious atrocities committed in Indonesia and other Asian tiger countries.
read my lips. M.U.M.U. Your response is typical of a descendant of ritual killers and cannibals who whose pasttimes include sitting at home and looking for underage children to rape. Omoale, read and find out why Yoruba is the founding fathers of crime in nigeria. https://www.nairaland.com/106713/behold-deported-drug-couriers-nigerianFrom the statistics above: 11 of the drug dealers were Yorubas 5 were Igbos 3 were Edo. osisi5: I've heard this Igbo this, Igbo that too many times and it's plain annoying. This old article may throw some light. Nigerians commit crime and the criminals are from all the tribes.
One of the earliest known cases of drug abuse involving a Nigerian was the fate of one Iyabo Olorunkoya, who was sentenced to jail in the 1970s following an attempt to smuggle marijuana into the United Kingdom.
In the mid-1980s, during the General Mohammadu Buhari-led regime, two Nigerians, Messrs Wahab Ojuolape and Bartholomew Owoh as well as a third victim were executed under a peculiar decree drawn to take retroactive effect. Curiously, even this law and other draconian measures devised to deter drug traffickers, appeared insufficient, for about that same period, one Morenike Fausatu Lawal almost made it into history books as the first woman to be killed by firing squad for drug trafficking in Nigeria. Then came the Gloria Okon saga, where a suspected drug courier believed to have died in prison custody, ressurected overseas.
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/travels/2005/july/28/travels-28-07-2005-001.htm http://thenigeriangazette.com/history-of-armed-robbers-company-liquidators-rapists-and-notoriours-official-criminals-in-nigeria-by-shama-maliga/ |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Biafrarep(m): 11:16am On Jan 02, 2016 |
South east has been marginalized, suppressed, cheated, hated, subjugated, dehumanized & blockaded since 1966 till date & I will give you facts to buttress my point. 1. Nigeria fought a bitter civil war(1967-70) against Biafra & over 2million Biafrans were killed, the infrastructure within Biafra were obliterated & before that, in 1966 there was a pogrom in the North & over 30,000 Igbos were massacred & their businesses looted & destroyed, the FG up till now never made a reparation or even reconstruction but the same FG hurriedly borrowed almost 3billion dollars to reconstruct NE even when boko haram is still active in the region! 2. There is no single FG agency in SE!! 3. Quota system was officially instituted to checkmate Igbo progress. 4. Igbos are constantly harassed & threatened with death in their own country!! 5. There is a deliberate state sponsored policy to make the SE unattractive by denying them basic infrastructure et al. May Karma visit any bast.ard that denies Igbo marginalization in Nigeria!!! |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by omonnakoda: 11:21am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.
. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”
Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.
. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.
Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].
Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.
1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 3. Matthew 10:34-35; 4Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 5. Ezekiel 9:5 6.Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. 7. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 8. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 9. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 10. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 11. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 12. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 13. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 14. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 15. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 11:26am On Jan 02, 2016 |
abduljabbar4:
You must kill and destroy those who worship another god[exodus 22:20]
And the Qur'an says:
be righteous and act justly toward those who worship another god[quran 60:8]
So tell us how many of your folks have been killed by Christians? Austin4lif: if not for the Grace of God I would have been death by the Fulani/hausa machine guns. Heavy machine Guns was shot in my area for 3 hours, no police and army from the Z00 come to help us. We have to use cutlass and stones to defend ourselves. It would have been a disaster even though we lost some gallant igbo youths who fought them with some northern Christians. The machine Guns shake houses wen fired, even the army don't have such guns but youths still confronted them. Nobody is asking who bought the Guns for them, can a koro seller or a tomato seller afford to buy SMG? Some stupid pple will come here and be shouting one Nigeria , sai Buhari. Go to Riyom in plateau state, go to Rigasa in kaduna, go to wadel in kano state, u will know that we are not one Nigeria. Austin4lif: Am never a Fan of this Kalu of a guy, what am concerned of is the northern domination of the minority groups in Nigeria. If you visit Kano, u will see hausa people claiming the birth right of Nigeria.
Those from the east,west and south are being regarded as foreigners in same Nigeria in Kano state. You dont have equal rights like those who are from there. Travel to Zamfara state, u will see the highest level of religious intolerance. The state school of health is an epitome of islamabad, Christians especially the girls were forced to put on Hijab b4 entering class.
Who says that it is only Boko haram that want to force us to islam? Travel also to katsina state were it is a sin to be called igbo or a Christian even though there are minority christians from that state who are known as the"maguzawa" go to kebbi you will not have permit to build ur church and u will be harassed to pay tax by the local authorities even though hausa people are not goood in paying for Govt facilities. Only in Nigeria u will see Emirs with exotic cars and nobody is asking how did they get the money even though many of our igwe's and oba's don't even own a car. Is only in Nigeria most mosques dnt pay NEPA bill and water Bills. Only in Nigeria will u see a particular ethnic group dominating all the sectors of the economy... |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by abduljabbar4(m): 11:29am On Jan 02, 2016 |
xtropy:
So tell us how many of your folks have been killed by Christians?
Who told you that lie? Where? How? Do you know? |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by obailala(m): 11:32am On Jan 02, 2016 |
anticabal1:
and the obailala guy is supposed to be Igbo oo, all these phantom igbos go kee person. hahaha I am an efulefu... abi no be so una talk am? 2 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 11:36am On Jan 02, 2016 |
abduljabbar4:
Who told you that lie? Where? How? Do you know? You think you can deceive other people by starting another round of lies and propaganda to cover up your innumerable atrocities in the land? It is rather too late. Imokay: Some pictures here will disturb you, but please this madness must stop.Something is hurting me and as each day goes by, it gets worse.
The blogs rarely report this. Its voice is muted on TV and radio. But for us that are affected, this voice is loud. Sometimes it is a shout, sometimes it is a cry, sometimes it is a prayer, sometimes it is just a hollow empty sound. Berom people are being wiped out one family at a time. It started 14years ago. Our men, our women, our children are being murdered on the streets, on their farms, in their sleep, on the way to school and sometimes still in the womb. The culprits are called Unknown gunmen. They are unknown to the security agencies, unknown to the bloggers, unknown to TV, Radio and Newspapers. They are most terrifyingly unknown to the presidency. Funny thing is if you ask a 3 year old Berom boy who they are, he will tell you. I heard a statement from the FG vowing to deal with cattle rustlers and to protect cattle rearers. The Fulanis that carry AK47s alongside their sticks?But nothing was said of the farmers (Beroms). So who will protect the farmers? Who will protect their families from the cattle rearers? My mother’s village is practically empty. The women and children are squatting in town. The men form bands, like vigilantes knowing that they cannot turn their backs away from their ancestral lands or they will be lost forever. That is the plan. Shey you all know. It is a war to claim territory." We make their villages unsafe, they run away and we can roam and graze freely. 100years from now, no one will dispute it is ours." It is a long term plan but one family a night, in a year thousands are killed year in year out and the plan is taking shape. A chemical explosion at British America in Lamingo area in Jos and the Federal Government orders an investigation. Families are being snuffed out, not a word. He is chasing money for people that are dying. When (if) he gets this money, how many will be alive to benefit from it? I am speaking about my people, who are displaced all over plateau state. In my family house in Jos, we cook with a huge pot outside. I cannot tell you how much it costs. We will bear the cost, if only we knew when help will come. The rest of Nigeria is looking at the North East, but they have hope. Who is looking at the North Central? We are looking at ourselves. When people from Benue speak, we understand only too well. Someone asked what the security agencies are doing, we are asking the same. I remember when the soldiers in Vom were pursued by women baring their breasts. They were camping in the midst of Vom people and still families were being killed. I understand America’s unwillingness to give up their guns. Too many crazy people. If the Berom people decided to bear arms, who in honesty will blame them? How do you look at the corpses of children with their milky bloody brains on the floor next to their severed heads and not burn with murderous rage? How do you look at young pretty girls wearing tights in the Jos morning cold strewn on the floor in awkward positions on half harvested potato farms and not want vengeance? How do you wrap the bodies of your 65 year old uncle, his younger brother, his wife and two children in wrappers and lay them side by side in a large dug out red dirt ditch and still feel human? How does a mother stop being a mother when her breasts are still leaking with milk for a baby hacked to death with a cutlass? She would hug the older children for comfort, only they were killed too. And O ye kinsmen of Fulani, that jump into every thread and talk about how much cattle the Fulani have lost. Can you help us do a body count? Count your cattle and victims and we will count just our bodies. If ours is higher, will you stop? Will your thirsty god finally be appeased? I am equating the lives of my people to your cows. I am to understand they are precious to you. You have killed our old, young and the babies. You have spared no one. I call on President Buhari because he said he is for us all. Not just the cattle rearers. Plateau state voted almost 50%, hear our cries. Lastly, no one should mention graze reserves. You cannot soak a land with the blood of its indigenes and then hand it over to their killers. Your cows will be eating blood grass.As i was putting this piece together, new cries, young able bodied men,with lives snuffed out of them by unknown gun men. Help us please, come to our aid........people here that campaigned, hep us get the president, maybe no one is telling him. We learn from the last administration, that people in power can be isolated from things happening and that was or confidence i this new administration. The President must hear, know and act. Ya Yesu Adagwi, see our tears. Save our children.
Pix 1 and 2 Pictures of the victims. Pix 3 Victims murdered in cold blood. |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Deadlytruth(m): 11:51am On Jan 02, 2016 |
abduljabbar4:
You must kill and destroy those who worship another god[exodus 22:20]
Compared to Qur'an:
be righteous and act justly toward those who worship another god[quran 60:8]
I have hundreds of them Exodus 22:20 refers to only Israelites who worshipped another God and not non-Israelites. In fact just in the next verse the same God says, "Do not ill-treat foreigners (who definitely were worshipping other gods); remember that you were foreigners in Egypt". That tells you that it displeases God to see an Israelite worship another god while a He overlooks and even protects foreigner worshipping his god since he can't be blamed for his ignorance. But for the Israelite he has no excuse of being ignorant of the true God. Please read the verses before and after that portion so as to appreciate the context in which God was speaking to Moses there. 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by xtropy: 11:51am On Jan 02, 2016 |
Deadlytruth:
Igbos started being killed in very large numbers in the North far before 1966/67 pogroms which Ojukwu claimed made him declare Biafra. A lot of Igbos were killed in 1945 and 1953 in the North. With these two ethnic cleansing against Igbos by Northerners one would not have expected Azikiwe to have later in 1960 forged an alliance with the same North at all no matter his earlier beef with Awolowo whose Yoruba people had never shed any single Igbo man's blood in the West prior to that time. Why did Zik cut his nose to spite his face? Was the need to avenge Awolowo's 'sin' against him more important and urgent than the need to have accepted Awolowo's offer thus prevent from rising to power the very people who had been slaughtering his own brothers and were definitely going to use such official power to further wreck carnage on his tribe which they already hated and did not pretend about it? How could a leader, in pursuit of personal vendetta, sacrifice the future and freedom of those he was leading and representing?
Why could Ojukwu and Ironsi not declare Biafra as at when they were both still in power and had the ultimate wherewithal to do so knowing fully well that Igbo massacres had already started far before then? What sort of belief in one Nigeria was that? What sort of silly questions are you asking now after over 45 years of the promised 3Rs by the FG? You think your silly propaganda can work? Never! Go worry about the misery of your people. And stop ranting about the Igbos. Igbos simply desire a separate existence from lazy ass-lickers, parasites, treasury looters, never-do-wells and imperialists. Let that fact sink fast. BishopMagic: As far as I am concerned Yorubas are the most tribalistic bigoted goats in this section.
They started this sh1t and when we fought them back they now had the audacity to call some one like me a bigot.
If there is one thing I can take from NL is knowing truly that Yorubas are highly tribalistic people.
I never used to pay much heed to the political motives of my Yoruba friends which by the way outnumber any other tribe but after coming to nairaland I began to see the same attitude displayed here being revealed slowly to me in my Yoruba friends.
To be honest with you I got sick and tired of their foolish reasons why they thought Buhari is better than Jonathan and how they refuse to see the corruption under their noses but where more interested in peddling the lies handed down to them by Liar Mohammed. It is at this point it dawned to me that the Yoruba mindset is highly sentimental and tribally biased when it comes to political issues and since then I have refused discussing politics or any other issue by the way with my Yoruba friends who are now fast turning to mere acquaintances.
The substance of a man is his character and that character is built on principles and values shaped by ones thoughts and ideologies. I have since found out that the average Yoruba man lacks any real identity but rather is shaped inwardly and outwardly by the collective rhertrioc of his tribe.
And since I do not befriend tribes or nations but only humans it then means I can not be friends to zombie xenophobic tribalists.
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Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by vicadex07(m): 12:11pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Afam4eva:
It's people like you that get it wrong. Igbos have never said that they're the only one being marginalized but they're speaking for themselves. As much as Nigerians irrespective of tribe are marginalized, that of Igbos is on another level. You can keep denying it to yourself all you want but the truth is there to see. Don't be clever by half. If you agree that all tribes are marginalized, then who is marginilazing who? Igbos are not asking the right people the right questions but instead blame others. They have gorvernors, senators, rep members, ministers and political godfathers since the inception of this country like everybody else. Now I ask again, who is marginalizing who? I remember your response to such question when Yoruba elders said same about Yoruba marginalization to during Jonathan government so don't give me any useless diatribe. 4 Likes |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by Deadlytruth(m): 12:18pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
omonnakoda: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.
. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.
Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.”
Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.
. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.
Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers].
Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed.
1. Deuteronomy17:12 NLT; 2. Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT; 3. Matthew 10:34-35; 4Isaiah 14:21 NAB; 5. Ezekiel 9:5 6.Exodus 31:12-15 NLT; 12. 7. Leviticus 20:10 NLT; 8. Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV; 9. Leviticus 21:9 NAB; 10. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB; 11. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB; 12. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB; 13. Jeremiah 48:10 NAB; 14. Leviticus 24:16 NLT; 15. Numbers 1: 51 NLT; All the above referenced bible verses still have to do with the laws among Israelites themselves. They were not commands to Israelites to kill other peoples who did not worship their God. Where God promised such other nations would die, He (God) promised to kill them by Himself and did not mandate Israelites to do it for Him. And on such cases those other nations were slaughtered by God not because they did not believe in Israelites' God but because they offended the Israelites and God himself and refused to be remorseful. If God was killing them for the mere fact that they did not believe in Him, then He would have wiped all other nations off the earth leaving only the Israelites who believed in Him. The verses in which Jesus declared that he brought sword to the world to set people against one another is more figurative than literal just like many other Jesus' use of literary style in speaking. For example, the command to turn the other cheek as a response to a slap on one is not literal in application. It is only a hyperbole which Jesus employed to emphasize how slow to retaliation his followers should be. This is confirmed by the fact that when Jesus himself was later given a very dirty slap before the high priest Caiaphas he did not literally turn the other cheek for more but queried why he deserved such violent treatment and yet never retaliated. The Bible should be read between the lines by anyone who seeks the truth. 1 Like |
Re: South East May Actually Been Marginalized; See Raesons by omonnakoda: 12:33pm On Jan 02, 2016 |
Deadlytruth:
All the above referenced bible verses still have to do with the laws among Israelites themselves. They were not commands to Israelites to kill other peoples who did not worship their God. Where God promised such other nations would die, He (God) promised to kill them by Himself and did not mandate Israelites to do it for Him. And on such cases those other nations were slaughtered by God not because they did not believe in Israelites' God but because they offended the Israelites and God himself and refused to be remorseful. If God was killing them for the mere fact that they did not believe in Him, then He would have wiped all other nations off the earth leaving only the Israelites who believed in Him. The verses in which Jesus declared that he brought sword to the world to set people against one another is more figurative than literal just like many other Jesus' use of literary style in speaking. For example, the command to turn the other cheek as a response to a slap on one is not literal in application. It is only a hyperbole which Jesus employed to emphasize how slow to retaliation his followers should be. This is confirmed by the fact that when Jesus himself was later given a very dirty slap before the high priest Caiaphas he did not literally turn the other cheek for more but queried why he deserved such violent treatment and yet never retaliated. The Bible should be read between the lines by anyone who seeks the truth. So that makes it alright then as long as Israelites are killing themselves? What logic!! What about Amalekites who were killed by Saul why did God rip the kingdom away from him. You reaally need to read the bible. What about the Canaanites? The Hittites,the Amorites. ? There is no more blood thirsty god than Jehovah in human history whom we can conclude is the same as Allah Please explain how any sane mind can conclude that the following is a command to kill Israelites Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.This is about how to conduct war . kill the men and take the women as sex slaves a command from Jehovah which we also see in the Quran Read the verses before commenting clearly you did not read them then THINK do not just react but use your brain for its intended purpose What Jehovah was actually commanding his "chosen people" to do when waging war was to keep virgins for themselves so we know where the VIRGIN tradition startedHow how do you suppose they confirmed virginity in those days ,by questionnaire? 1 Like |