SeanT21:

"When 40% of Joel Osteen's TV viewership openly label themselves non-christian and 57% of those who attend Granger community church do not believe the bible as the final authority on the christian life then you know there is something desperately wrong with the modern church."

WOW~~Shocking.

The Church is going downhill. I visited a friend Church a few weeks back and was so shocked. Homosexuals made up half of the Choir and they were also getting baptised. How can U be Gay,come to church every sunday and even sing in the choir?? Most Church's are just big money making machine. If U want to get rich quick then become a pastor. The Church I used to attend was another fake church. The pastor owed some of the congregation some money which he refused to pay..

“Some go to church to see and be seen, Some go there to say they have been, Some go there to sleep and nod, But few go there to worship God”.

I hardly go to Church anymore. I rather just read and study the Bible on my own.Sometimes I catch Joel Osteen on TV.

Diva1:

I quite agree with especially here in the US, most churches do not even encourage you or motivate you to want to go compared to Nigeria BUT still that should not be enough reason or excuse for one not to go to church. Not because of the so called hypocrites that fill the church, you find a church that you as the individual learn something, feel motivated, encouraged. Those tv shows like Joel Osteen and others, sure are ok but one should not form a habit to just stay home and watch it on sundays when much emphasis was put on that day. To take out time especially that day to gather with others to worship him. Joel Osteen and so on can be watched anytime, everyday, whenever.

davidylan:

[size=18pt]I once used to detest the atheists on this forum . . . [/size]but with time i have come to realise one thing . . . i would rather have them than the multitudes of "christians" parading our churches today.

When 40% of Joel Osteen's TV viewership openly label themselves non-christian and 57% of those who attend Granger community church do not believe the bible as the final authority on the christian life then you know there is something desperately wrong with the modern church.

Tudór:

I wonder why all the hulla baloo. People are just re-inventing their own brand of christianity and moving on albeit using the bible just like the hypocrite-general (jesus) created his own form of modified judaism using the Torah (changing some basic principles and laws).
The consequence of this was a more open and tolerant religion as seen in the acceptance of gentiles, preaching tolerance and forgiveness instead of an eye for an eye, laxing the law of sabbath e.t.c.

Christianity is moving on and getting reformed, reflecting our changing and improving society and tastes. The most important things in life are now money,sex and sexuality, marriage(gay and same sex) and work unlike in the days of jesus when farming,trading,livestock rearing,fishing and listening to parables were their biggest headache. People like davidylan are the pharisees and saduccees of our day, thinking they have a monopoly over the bible and the truth, trying to stifle change and reform like the high priests tried to do. Bad news david, just like the self-righteous pharisees couldn't stop jesus' reform what chances do you have in the 21st century where technology and media help spread their brand message wide. I predict that sometime in the future, certain pastors would be more popular than jesus and they'll be regarded as sons of god too! THE DEATH OF CHRISTIANITY AS TAUGHT BY JESUS HAS BEGUN.

jagunlabi:

The entire christian religion is and has always been "christless",so what is new?To be christless is the very definition of christianity since the day the roman emperor Constantin saw it's usefulness as an empire religion and got hold of it,and even long before then.And it will continue to be "christless" long after you and i are gone.If christianity has not destroyed itself from within before then,that is.

Jagoon:

@davidlyan
Whilst you are pondering over my previous question, i would like to ask you another. Do you consider your self as a christ like christian? cos i have read a lot of unchrist like posts written by you directed to other christians and non christians.

davidylan:


What is your definition of a "Christ-like christian"? A meek little lamb who turns all cheeks to you?

imhotep:

No offence meant. . . but I think that 'Christ-less christian' is a contradiction in terms.

agitator:

Nigerians are very good at misusing words
christian = Christ like. There is noting like christless christians, that is, if you are not like Christ you are not a christian. Christian simply means Christ like.
Just like one guy put on his 12ft X 20ft shop signpost DIVINE MALL when did the meaning of mall change to small shops.