TheGoodJoe:


No one made that insinuation. It takes bits to build a team. One thing we lack is coordinates midfield play. We can improve, (not final solution) by selecting better natural passers of the ball. Kelechi Nwakali is one of our best. Unless you have a better suggestion.

TheGoodJoe:


I guess all the brilliant passing combinations Argentina has delivered today, stringing intelligent passes, you did not see one.

When Manchester City won the league four times in five seasons, you did not see their passing.

Na wa.

mostob:
Football Live TV is not working bro

Samueltemi337:
Match don end?

benji93:
You too like wahala.

TheGoodJoe:


We are talking football, not Spain. Losing a game does not make a system bad. It is what happened in the long run. Spain getting knocked off does not make the system bad, just like City losing games.

In the long run, the good results add up.

Spain has been too successful. This is just a blip. Most teams are not as successful and consistent as them.

Mujtahida:

How come this our best was ignored by Rohr throughout his more than 5 years stint? With Eguavoen, he was in the fringes. Now with Peseiro, no show yet.

Toh me I've settled with the guy being invited because the argument is tiring.

TheGoodJoe:


The answer lies in that for years now, we still can't string passes. Our midfield play is terrible. Why? Poor midfield selection and playing pattern.

Mujtahida:

My lecturer in the University used to say if the reason for a thing ceases to exist, the thing ceases to exist.

The system Spain uses is meant to win games. It's not giving them that result. The system might have gotten them result ten years ago, the system might still be getting results for Man City but not for Spain anymore. I trust Oyinbo. They always evaluate and re-evaluate. They will not remain with this system just they way it is. They won't. They will abandon it or tweak it. Spain was not made for tiki taka but tiki taka for Spain.

charlesemeka85:
stop capping and go to bed

Mujtahida:

3 wins since 2010 at the WC is miles away not even from the top nations but from their own levels.

Semi in the Euros is a blip. You are the lone discordant voice in a choir that sings about the woeful performance of Spain.

Semi in Euros and second in the Nations League. You can call doing that in Europe a blip.

TheGoodJoe:


Spain reached the Semi finals of the Euros and came second in the Nations League. They did so winning games.

TheGoodJoe:


Spain reached the Semi finals of the Euros and came second in the Nations League. They did so winning games.

Mujtahida:

Big picture. If the entire picture is black, Small patch of white does not change the color.

In 10 years ooo.

Mujtahida:

They want to win tournaments not reach semi once in ten years

Mujtahida:

They want to win tournaments not reach semi once in ten years

Mujtahida:

Big picture. If the entire picture is black, Small patch of white does not change the color.

In 10 years ooo.

TheGoodJoe:


Read what you are quoting. I am saying when Argentina held he ball, they did so brilliantly. They transitioned the ball in a nice fashion. They were not making poor passes.

That has nothing to do with stats. I said passing combinations. Not high possession.

TheGoodJoe:


That is how good Spain is. How many top teams state that?

Yet you are critiquing.

Mujtahida:

A beggar once approached Alexander the great and begged for a piece of coin. Alexander the great ordered that so much should be given to him. The man was overwhelmed and said he was satisfied with the one piece of coin. Alexander the great insisted and told him: you beg like the beggar you are, I give like the king I am.

The Spaniards having tasted the glories of international football do not reason at the pedestrian level where a semi final is a clutch amidst a generally abysmal performance. They have gone past that level.

For a poor student, C is good enough. For an A student, C is a failure. It is such thinking that makes them A students.

TheGoodJoe:


We are talking football, not Spain. Losing a game does not make a system bad. It is what happened in the long run. Spain getting knocked off does not make the system bad, just like City losing games.

In the long run, the good results add up.

Spain has been too successful. This is just a blip. Most teams are not as successful and consistent as them.

charlesemeka85:
ziyech was literally begged to rep Holland in international football from the FA and his then club ajax but he turned the offer down maintaining that he wants to play for Morocco

Even one of Dutch ex players called him stupid for choosing Morocco instead of Holland

Hakimi turned the Spanish youth team advances down to rep Morocco too

Moroccans in diaspora has strong link to their heritage and home land and this is carried on to their kids. Also the Moroccan FA employs scouts to monitor the progress of kids with Moroccan ancestry in europe where the bright ones are approached to be integrated to their national teams (u17,20,23 and the snr national team

Also I heard sometime ago that the fa also lure this players with massive incentives which I don’t know how true the claim is

charlesemeka85:

benji93:
The point is to win, not to be 'not bad'. Quite mediocre a standard you are setting. In 5 years if your system eventually works we'll revisit the subject, and i'll give you your flowers. Until then if you lose hold your L. Winning is the ultimate test of a system(short and long term). Besides you cannot be comparing Spain getting knocked out to City losing games. Not comparable. Maybe consistently hitting a roadblock in the champions league would be a fair comparison.

benji93:
Bro, ah calm down, person no fit follow you play again? They came alive after the penalty. They were quite scrappy until then. Nothing like brilliant passing anywhere. Look at the opportunity that led to the penalty for example. It was from nowhere. The Croatian backline went to sleep. After a third goal, you are certainly allowed to string passes.

jihday:
no need to pass fake info, nobody from holland or Ajax begged Ziyech, he wasn’t even an Ajax player when he made his debut for Morocco. He also played a handful of games for the Netherlands youth teams.

TheGoodJoe:


There is no point in what you are saying here.

You were driving a false narrative that Spain is now poor and the excerpt you posted made it look like Spain were "miles-away" from top teams.

Now you are telling us that Spain doing well is like a beggar and they can do more.

It defeats your idea that Spain is doing badly and tiki taka is dying.

Finito.