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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:31am On Oct 06, 2023
Mavo

For the last 12 months, stats tells the story.
Always a big player for his team.
komekn:


Oniovo Dude is in the worst team in the Portuguese league. The league is rated number 7 in Europe.

Do you think Chaves is better than a League one team because I don't think so , without prejudice.

Nwakali is very poor quality player, long ball ability is not a particular oustanding skill set.

I know 13/14 year old boys that can do 35 yard pinpoint accurate passes and crosses. So stop acting like Nwakali is the only player who can do long ball it's a basic skill not an exceptional one.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BankyGee(m): 1:14am On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
the guy don dey over do
Make the guy dey catch him cruise na... No be human being? 🤣🤣🤣

I sha love the vawulent energy 💪🏾

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 7:15am On Oct 06, 2023
BankyGee:
Victor Boniface too like problem 🤣🤣



🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This Guy and cruise ehn 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:53am On Oct 06, 2023
Nomyth:
Could the dearth of quality AMs in the National team be a direct consequence of our poor performance in youth football in recent years?

Our various youth teams have been the production line thru which we get quality Midfielders in the past.

Etim Esin, Mutiu Adepoju, Jay Jay okocha, Thompson Oliha,Wilson Oruma,pius Ikedia,Mikel obi, Haruna lookman all came thru the youth ranks.

Our local league hasn't really come thru for us in this regard with only Friday Ekpo the only quality Midfielder I can identify that the league has given us and it is not every time quality Midfielders pop up randomly in Europe. Only Sunday Oliseh, Joel obi and Obodo have popped up for some time.

We might need to pay more attention to the youth teams u17 to u23 if we need to discover more AMs for the NT

The basis for SE national team selection is outstanding, consistent, quality performance in your team and league.

Youth football is just potential yet to be realised with a many variables that will determine the ability to make it in professional football.

This is why we have been having a never irrational, emotive preference based even obsessive quest by many to have NWAKALI in the SE . Not based on merit but sentimental favouritism.

Nwakali was great at youth level, that's where it began and where it ended 8 years ago.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 8:13am On Oct 06, 2023
Joebie:
Mavo

For the last 12 months, stats tells the story.
Always a big player for his team.

Stats not taken in context become a deceptive component to misinform.

Statistics are indicative not conclusive without being taken into context.

What use are his statistics if his team is the bottom of the league 😭 has conceded more goals than any other team😞 the value of the team is lower than most teams in league two.

Player value has an unquestionable link to player quality,that cannot be denied.

I decided to take a perfunctory look at a bottom club in English League two , Tranmere Rovers and I was shocked 😳😳 the weekly average wage is almost double of Chavez FC.

Many of you like to argue that money has nothing to do with player quality. But that's not true, quality players get better paid. And poor quality players get paid peanut's 🥜 you cant hide away from these facts.

You cannot attract good players with poor pay, Nwakali is effectively earning less than what he got at Ponferradina.😭😭

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 9:19am On Oct 06, 2023
komekn:


Stats not taken in context become a deceptive component to misinform.

Statistics are indicative not conclusive without being taken into context.

What use are his statistics if his team is the bottom of the league 😭 has conceded more goals than any other team😞 the value of the team is lower than most teams in league two.

Player value has an unquestionable link to player quality,that cannot be denied.

I decided to take a perfunctory look at a bottom club in English League two , Tranmere Rovers and I was shocked 😳😳 the weekly average wage is almost double of Chavez FC.

Many of you like to argue that money has nothing to do with player quality. But that's not true, quality players get better paid. And poor quality players get paid peanut's 🥜 you cant hide away from these facts.

You cannot attract good players with poor pay, Nwakali is effectively earning less than what he got at Ponferradina.😭😭

talk football and leave money, talk individual performance

All this shalaye will not change his good ratings

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 10:06am On Oct 06, 2023
Nomyth:
Could the dearth of quality AMs in the National team be a direct consequence of our poor performance in youth football in recent years?

Our various youth teams have been the production line thru which we get quality Midfielders in the past.

Etim Esin, Mutiu Adepoju, Jay Jay okocha, Thompson Oliha,Wilson Oruma,pius Ikedia,Mikel obi, Haruna lookman all came thru the youth ranks.

Our local league hasn't really come thru for us in this regard with only Friday Ekpo the only quality Midfielder I can identify that the league has given us and it is not every time quality Midfielders pop up randomly in Europe. Only Sunday Oliseh, Joel obi and Obodo have popped up for some time.

We might need to pay more attention to the youth teams u17 to u23 if we need to discover more AMs for the NT.
You raised a nice point. That's why missing the next U17 WC is bad for our football. Imagine the talents in that team...Mbata, Light Eke and co.... chai
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:13am On Oct 06, 2023
Nomyth:
Could the dearth of quality AMs in the National team be a direct consequence of our poor performance in youth football in recent years?

Our various youth teams have been the production line thru which we get quality Midfielders in the past.

Etim Esin, Mutiu Adepoju, Jay Jay okocha, Thompson Oliha,Wilson Oruma,pius Ikedia,Mikel obi, Haruna lookman all came thru the youth ranks.

Our local league hasn't really come thru for us in this regard with only Friday Ekpo the only quality Midfielder I can identify that the league has given us and it is not every time quality Midfielders pop up randomly in Europe. Only Sunday Oliseh, Joel obi and Obodo have popped up for some time.

We might need to pay more attention to the youth teams u17 to u23 if we need to discover more AMs for the NT.

Globally, there is currently a dearth in quality of AMs. Football has gradually evolved over time with more emphasis being placed on tactics than on technical abilities. This has led to fewer creative midfielders.

Also, back in the days, wing players were highly valued and priced. They were known to run down the flanks and pull-out balls for the attacking players to strike into the net....but later on teams started playing attackers/strikers in wing positions and wingers became endangered species. Later on again, coaches are beginning to go back to wings play but in a modernized form where they play in a triangle with the Attacking Midfielder and striker.

Coming down to Nigerian National Teams, I quite agree that our inability to produce highly gifted youth players in that position is affecting the availability of quality AMs but like I earlier mentioned, it is also a global thing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:32am On Oct 06, 2023
BankyGee:
Victor Boniface too like problem 🤣🤣
Too much of it and he starts coming across as crass.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 11:34am On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
the guy don dey over do
Exactly. Once in a while but not this frequent dosage of banger tweets.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nomyth: 11:52am On Oct 06, 2023
komekn:


The basis for SE national team selection is outstanding, consistent, quality performance in your team and league.

Youth football is just potential yet to be realised with a many variables that will determine the ability to make it in professional football.

This is why we have been having a never irrational, emotive preference based even obsessive quest by many to have NWAKALI in the SE . Not based on merit but sentimental favouritism.

Nwakali was great at youth level, that's where it began and where it ended 8 years ago.


The bolded is exactly my point.

The Nigerian league is just too agricultural to find a technically gifted footballer, if I'm not mistaken, Finidu George is the last technically gifted player to move directly from the local league to the National team.

What has worked for us in the past is grooming from the youth team to the National team. That was how we got the likes of Mikel and Okocha.

Of course, there might the wasted talents along the line but it doesn't mean we can't get quality players from the youth team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BankyGee(m): 12:19pm On Oct 06, 2023
do4luv14:




🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This Guy and cruise ehn 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Swears 😂
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:27pm On Oct 06, 2023
Icon4s:


Globally, there is currently a dearth in quality of AMs. Football has gradually evolved over time with more emphasis being placed on tactics than on technical abilities. This has led to fewer creative midfielders.

Also, back in the days, wing players were highly valued and priced. They were known to run down the flanks and pull-out balls for the attacking players to strike into the net....but later on teams started playing attackers/strikers in wing positions and wingers became endangered species. Later on again, coaches are beginning to go back to wings play but in a modernized form where they play in a triangle with the Attacking Midfielder and striker.

Coming down to Nigerian National Teams, I quite agree that our inability to produce highly gifted youth players in that position is affecting the availability of quality AMs but like I earlier mentioned, it is also a global thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW1ecPEjGk?si=wYEgOksza-krnFB6

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 12:30pm On Oct 06, 2023
Mujtahida:

Too much of it and he starts coming across as crass.
Maybe he enjoys his crassness? You know it's lonely at the top. Sometimes, being authentic could be the way some guys have to manage their stardom and loneliness at the top.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 12:49pm On Oct 06, 2023
Icon4s:


Globally, there is currently a dearth in quality of AMs. Football has gradually evolved over time with more emphasis being placed on tactics than on technical abilities. This has led to fewer creative midfielders.

Also, back in the days, wing players were highly valued and priced. They were known to run down the flanks and pull-out balls for the attacking players to strike into the net....but later on teams started playing attackers/strikers in wing positions and wingers became endangered species. Later on again, coaches are beginning to go back to wings play but in a modernized form where they play in a triangle with the Attacking Midfielder and striker.

Coming down to Nigerian National Teams, I quite agree that our inability to produce highly gifted youth players in that position is affecting the availability of quality AMs but like I earlier mentioned, it is also a global thing.
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldn’t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feeds fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:49pm On Oct 06, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

I thought Friday Ekpo was the king of free kicks.
Ayo Ogunlana was the real free kicks specialist.Imagine scoring 12 free kick goals in a season…Friday Ekpo was a good midfielder who does his things with ease but lost out to young Sunday Oliseh in eagles.

He played for Abiola Babes,Leventis United but remembered his performance for Iwanyawu Nationale against El setif of Algeria in 1988 cup winners cup.He later joined Shell fc of Gabon and returned home to play for Mobil Pegasus.

We have some individuals records that NFF failed to appreciate in local league like the highest number of clean slates recorded by any keeper in Nigeria league which belonged to Lateef Yusuf of old 3sc,played 11 straight league matches.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 1:10pm On Oct 06, 2023
Kog45:
Ayo Ogunlana was the real free kicks specialist.Imagine scoring 12 free kick goals in a season…Friday Ekpo was a good midfielder who does his things with ease but lost out to young Sunday Oliseh in eagles.

He played for Abiola Babes,Leventis United but remembered his performance for Iwanyawu Nationale against El serif of Algeria in 1988 cup winners cup.He later joined Shell fc of Gabon and returned home to play for Mobil Pegasus.
I
We have some individuals records that NFF failed to appreciate in local league like the highest number of clean slates recorded by any keeper in Nigeria league which belonged to Lateef Yusuf of old 3sc,played 11 straight league matches.
Top notch recollections as usual!!!! Do you know where Ayo Ogunlana is up to now?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 1:20pm On Oct 06, 2023
Igoh Ogbu makes UEL team of the week 🔥

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 1:26pm On Oct 06, 2023
Omo I'm so impressed with that academy in Ghana that is running a collabo with Nordsjaeland of Denmark to unearth quality Ghanaian youngsters.

Omo these guys have another quality player in Osman. Saw his game in the Europa league and I was wowed.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:27pm On Oct 06, 2023
ChrisKels:
Omo I'm so impressed with that academy in Ghana that is running a collabo with Nordsjaeland of Denmark to unearth quality Ghanaian youngsters.

Omo these guys have another quality player in Osman. Saw his game in the Europa league and I was wowed.
which club the boy Dey play with?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:30pm On Oct 06, 2023
AndSunGorilla:

Top notch recollections as usual!!!! Do you know where Ayo Ogunlana is up to now?
Ayo Ogunlana spent most of his life in Kaduna State and possibly still living in the north.

He made Nigeria team to Algier 90 as the oldest.In fact he made his eagles debut in 1981 but have Muda Lawal,Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina to compete with.

Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina made eagles at 17 years of age.Nwosu was barely 17 at Afcon 1980 and Adeshina 17 at Afcon 1982.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:32pm On Oct 06, 2023
Nomyth:



The bolded is exactly my point.

The Nigerian league is just too agricultural to find a technically gifted footballer, if I'm not mistaken, Finidu George is the last technically gifted player to move directly from the local league to the National team.

What has worked for us in the past is grooming from the youth team to the National team. That was how we got the likes of Mikel and Okocha.

Of course, there might the wasted talents along the line but it doesn't mean we can't get quality players from the youth team.
our main source for players in the last decade hv been our national youth teams and grassroot clubs

These sources hv exported 80 percent of top talents that we can boast of in big and decent leagues in europe currently

The same reason I don’t bother wasting my time or data on streaming our local league matches 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:32pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldn’t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feed fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 1:34pm On Oct 06, 2023
charlesemeka85:
which club the boy Dey play with?

Still with Nordsjaeland. He is next to make a big move after Ernest Nuamah joined Lyon last summer.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:36pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
Igoh Ogbu makes UEL team of the week 🔥
Igbo Ogbu should be invited ASAP,am seeing him as another Ajibade Babalade a revelation in Senegal 92

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:38pm On Oct 06, 2023
ChrisKels:


Still with Nordsjaeland. He is next to make a big move after Ernest Nuamah joined Lyon last summer.
wow, which position him dey play?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:48pm On Oct 06, 2023
Papi85:
spot on sir, have said this before that we shouldn’t be crying about not having a natural number 10 in the super eagles because that role is gradually fading off

Modern football requires more of a CAM ( a hybrid of An Attacking midfielder and a Central midfielder) who primarily functions more as a CM but more unique n versatile due to passing ability and creative spark he produces but not as adventurous and flamboyant like what we had in the 80s,90s and 2000s. Even some tacticians of late deploy them as B/B midfielders. Good examples are De Bruyne, Fernandez, Valverde, Muller, Mount, Bellingham etc While the less physical and pacy ones are dropped deeper as DLP the way Ancelotti used Pirlo who was a natural number 10 but had to be dropped deeper by the Italian tactician to detect play as well as control the tempo of how his team want to play

Football hv evolved so much and lost its spark compared to years back due to the lack of mercurial attacking midfielders who brings entertainment, artistry and creativity that feeds fans with much excitement.

Players like jay jay, laudrup, zizou,Totti, baggio , Platini just to mention few I can remember now would hv struggled in this era if they were still playing active football

Players of their talent and skills are mostly pushed to the flanks and also instructed to drop back to help fullbacks when the team is chasing possession unlike what was obtainable many years ago

Football is too mechanical now and mostly based on team work, speed and work rate
Oga Charles,the issue is not about natural 10 but our midfielders who have not been forthcoming with good performances in recent times

Let’s see what Fisayo will brings to the tables.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Subzeroo: 2:01pm On Oct 06, 2023
Joebie:
Mavo

For the last 12 months, stats tells the story.
Always a big player for his team.

Lol remove 0.1 from most of them and they are bad games cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:07pm On Oct 06, 2023
Mujtahida:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW1ecPEjGk?si=wYEgOksza-krnFB6

This video just sums it up.
This is why we cannot have another JJ Okocha in the Super Eagles.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:12pm On Oct 06, 2023
Kog45:
Ayo Ogunlana spent most of his life in Kaduna State and possibly still living in the north.

He made Nigeria team to Algier 90 as the oldest.In fact he made his eagles debut in 1981 but have Muda Lawal,Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina to compete with.

Henry Nwosu and Ademola Adeshina made eagles at 17 years of age.Nwosu was barely 17 at Afcon 1980 and Adeshina 17 at Afcon 1982.

I remember that goal by the young Henry Nwosu during the 1982 World Cup qualifiers game against Guinea, played in 1981. It was the only goal of the match and took us to the next round of the qualifiers.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:14pm On Oct 06, 2023
Kog45:
Oga Charles, the issue is not about natural 10 but our midfielders who have not been forthcoming with good performances in recent times

Let’s see what Fisayo will brings to the tables.

There is a general lack of natural number 10 in the modern game

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