One of the best threads on Nairaland

thehomer:


A God who orders the genocide of humans is not worthy of being followed by humans. Saying otherwise means that some genocide should be accepable to humans. I hope you never find yourself on the wrong side of Shiva in destroyer form.

God is the giver and taker of life . So there is no such thing as accusing God for taking a life . He owes you no explanation in fact .

KingEbukaNaija:


God is the giver and taker of life . So there is no such thing as accusing God for taking a life . He owes you no explanation in fact .

Actually, he does owe me a lot of explanations if he expects me to obey him, worship him or think he is a moral being.

thehomer:


Actually, he does owe me a lot of explanations if he expects me to obey him, worship him or think he is a moral being.

Lol . You need to wake up to reality . You are drowned in the illusion atheism is creating , by the time the effect wears off , it might be too late .

KingEbukaNaija:


Lol . You need to wake up to reality . You are drowned in the illusion atheism is creating , by the time the effect wears off , it might be too late .

And you've drowned in the illusion of Christianity with the belief that whatever your God says is right. That's why you think slavery is a good idea.

johnw74:



Yes you are a god, but there are diffrent spirits:

the God Spirit
the human spirit
the animal spirit
and even a spirit of other kinds of life, eg trees grass etc.

the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit is God, being of God's Spirit,
you are a god being of the human spirit.

A big difference in case anyone was confused


Multiple humans are called "God's", plural,
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is called "God", single, they are one.



Jesus was both human and God, being of the human spirit and being of God's Spirit,
the Word was God.
Christians can have the Holy spirit living in them, but they are not off the Holy spirit-not of God.

You are not a child of God because you have the holy spirit. You are a child of God because you were born by God. Therefore you are a God not a god.

thehomer:


And you've drowned in the illusion of Christianity with the belief that whatever your God says is right. That's why you think slavery is a good idea.

You lie !

Logicbwoy:



Trolling?

Abegi- your thread has been nuked by both christians and atheists!

I'm still waiting for that thread

Kingebukasblog \KingEbukaNaija

I've seen the thread, and I think president1 and pastoaio properly addressed my point of view.

raphiemontella this is the rebuttal . Read and comprehend

KingEbukasBlog:
raphiemontella this is the rebuttal . Read and comprehend

read the thread i created....abt herod's killing of children and gods knowledge nd approval..
Jst read my thread..i gave plausible ways god cud have protected the babies...which is different frm this thread

winner01:
You mean the belief that creation is by the power of an intelligent being or creation by a big blind explosion?

Why must creation only be from one single intelligent being?

And why can't the 'big blind explosion' be intelligent?

PastorAIO:


Why must creation only be from one single intelligent being?

And why can't the 'big blind explosion' be intelligent?

I think its more rational to believe in the power of an intelligent being than the power of a blind accidental explosion.
Explosions are not intelligent I think, they couldnt possibly create all we see now, could they.

winner01:
I think its more rational to believe in the power of an intelligent being than the power of a blind accidental explosion.
Explosions are not intelligent I think, they couldnt possibly create all we see now, could they.

What does intelligence mean?

PastorAIO:


Why must creation only be from one single intelligent being?

And why can't the 'big blind explosion' be intelligent?

pastor..the tin tire me o..
They tell u a computer is too complex to have evolved on its own..that a plane is too complex to form frm a tornado..
The very things they use in the examples were nt created by a single person..
I wonder why they have eliminated the possibility of a whole race of creators

winner01:
I think its more rational to believe in the power of an intelligent being than the power of a blind accidental explosion.
Explosions are not intelligent I think, they couldnt possibly create all we see now, could they.

Power? What do you mean by power? The same power that we measure in gigaWatts? Or a different power?

Or do you mean to say that it is more rational to 'believe in the LIKELIHOOD of an intelligent being....'?

Either way that was not what I was saying. I was saying that the explosion itself would be intelligent.

I don't know where you got the word accidental from.

Kay17:


What does intelligence mean?

Great question. Let me wait for him to answer first before I chip in with my own.

Kay17:


What does intelligence mean?

PastorAIO:

Great question. Let me wait for him to answer first before I chip in with my own.

No Answer!!

Well, Me, I define Intelligence as the capability to acquire and process information.

But there must be information in order for there to be intelligence.

Since 'God' created everything we can asked 'was God intelligent before creation'?

PastorAIO:




No Answer!!

Well, Me, I define Intelligence as the capability to acquire and process information.

But there must be information in order for there to be intelligence.

Since 'God' created everything we can asked 'was God intelligent before creation'?

I'm not sure why this post has 2 likes - from your other accounts ? Cos you didn't make even a modicum of sense . You are drawing a conclusion from a misconception

PastorAIO:


Either way that was not what I was saying. I was saying that the explosion itself would be intelligent.

How is an explosion intelligent

Kay17:


What does intelligence mean?

Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including as one's capacity for logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, planning, creativity and problem solving.

But you can rule out learning since God is omniscient .

Here is my response to the question , "Does God think" ? https://www.nairaland.com/3064045/does-god-think#44958235

Then we can discuss from there

raphieMontella:

pastor..the tin tire me o..
They tell u a computer is too complex to have evolved on its own..that a plane is too complex to form frm a tornado..
The very things they use in the examples were nt created by a single person..
I wonder why they have eliminated the possibility of a whole race of creators

Infinite regression .

God dwells in a different dimension where the law of cause and effect do not exist . Heaven does not exist in this universe .

KingEbukasBlog:


I'm not sure why this post has 2 likes - from your other accounts ? Cos you didn't make even a modicum of sense . You are drawing a conclusion from a misconception

What conclusion?

KingEbukasBlog:

How is an explosion intelligent

PastorAIO:


And why can't the 'big blind explosion' be intelligent?

Let's play a game. We keep asking each other the same questions back and forth and see who answers first. The person who answers first has lost.

PastorAIO:


But there must be information in order for there to be intelligence.

Since 'God' created everything we can asked 'was God intelligent before creation'?

God has always been intelligent

Uncle dalaman , I see you .

KingEbukasBlog:


God has always been intelligent

Always?

KingEbukasBlog:


God has always been intelligent

.... What is his IQ?

PastorAIO:


Always?

Yup

1. Since he is eternal and has no provenance , then He has always been intelligent . Same with every other attributes like consciousness , emotions , prescience etc .

2. You stated clearly that intelligence is the capability to process information - this implies receiving new information and then understanding it . But since God is omniscient - has knows everything ab aeterno praeterita , praesenti et de futuro - whatever information there is , is known by Him ergo he always had the capacity to have all information .

I hope my points are perspicuous enough

PastorAIO:


.... What is his IQ?

Cannot be obtained . God is ageless , genderless , knows all things , has the ability to solve any logical problem . God has infinite knowledge , no limitations

KingEbukasBlog:


Infinite regression .

God dwells in a different dimension where the law of cause and effect do not exist . Heaven does not exist in this universe .

u missed the idea..
A computer is created by many persons...
The universe is much more complex(in terms of size etc)
why do u strongly believe it was just one person?
Not a race of creators?

MrMontella:

u missed the idea..
A computer is created by many persons...
The universe is much more complex(in terms of size etc)
why do u strongly believe it was just one person?
Not a race of creators?

God is three entities

MrMontella:

u missed the idea..
A computer is created by many persons...
The universe is much more complex(in terms of size etc)
why do u strongly believe it was just one person?
Not a race of creators?

He misses every idea.