Tonye-t seems to be the kind of dude that will twist the Scriptures to his advantage.

A couple of days ago, he claimed Caesar represented the widows, orphans, the poor, etc.

I can tell the dude is not serious and needs not be taken serious.

I have never paid tithes to any Church, pastor or what have you and I am BLESSED (in a foreign land no less)


Tonye-t: Are Christians expected or required to follow "Ancestral customs" now

To each his own, each of us will have to work out our Salvation with fear and trembling, we do have a DUTY to protect the innocent (kids and Christians who are being taken advantage of by WOLVES preachers)

Shalom

@kunleOshob
I'm on a trip I'm only using my iPhone to type , I hope to help you out in few days when I get back . You need to know the dept of your error. It is not a tithe issue. You don't descern the body. Spiritual blindnesscis happened to you. That is why you can attack the body of christ so viciously and call men of God thieves , crooks etc. Even Archbishop benson idahosa!

Joagbaje:

@kunleOshob
I'm on a trip I'm only using my iPhone to type , I hope to help you out in few days when I get back . You need to know the dept of your error. It is not a tithe issue. You don't descern the body. Spiritual blindnesscis happened to you. That is why you can attack the body of christ so viciously and call men of God thieves , crooks etc. Even Archbishop benson idahosa!

Just because someone has a title to their name means they represent Christ? Last time I checked, Iphone (even 1st gen. with firmware upgrade) does automatic spell check too.

We will keep you and your ilk in our prayers, that's the best we can do until you guys find the truth. Our God can not be deceived, NO WAY Jose!

ogajim:


Just because someone has a title to their name means they represent Christ? Last time I checked, Iphone (even 1st gen. with firmware upgrade) does automatic spell check too.

We will keep you and your ilk in our prayers, that's the best we can do until you guys find the truth. Our God can not be deceived, NO WAY Jose!

You mean to tell us that whether he is talking about tithes or not the guy simply cannot open his trap without a lie coming out. O ma se o!

That is what you call a pathology indeed.

You guys just talk like children , the bible says be slow to speak be quick to hear. You're dull of hearing but hasty to talk.I said I'm only with my iPhone which means I can't copy verses of scriptures or acess my bibles as I would with my tablet Pc or laptop . To be of a hasty spirit is character of critics!

Joagbaje:

You guys just talk like children , the bible says be slow to speak be quick to hear. You're dull of hearing but hasty to talk.I said I'm only with my iPhone which means I can't copy verses of scriptures or acess my bibles as I would with my tablet Pc or laptop . To be of a hasty spirit is character of critics!

Slow your roll dude, we are patient and can wait for when you return to your base to WOW us with more Scriptural verses to buttress the "unholy scam" of "compulsory tithe" after all, your fellow traveler Tonye-t is in Greece ( I hope) digging up ancient but unjustified scrolls that support his view.

Maybe you should also think about buying the Bible app for iphone while you're waiting

Tithers have God as their financial partner and He owns the cattles upon a thousand hills.

ogajim:


Slow your roll dude, we are patient and can wait for when you return to your base to WOW us with more Scriptural verses to buttress the "unholy scam" of "compulsory tithe" after all, your fellow traveler Tonye-t is in Greece ( I hope) digging up ancient but unjustified scrolls that support his view.

Maybe you should also think about buying the Bible app for iphone while you're waiting

lol. What you said went totally over his head.

ogajim:


I have never paid tithes to any Church, pastor or what have you and I am BLESSED (in a foreign land no less)

Same here. I can't find anywhere in the Bible (even with magnifier), which said tithe is mandatory 

Worshiping God is not mandatory either. God gave you freewill.Not by force. Those who don't worship God should not be attacking those who are

@ KunleOshob, pastor AIO and their clique
What some of you guys dont realise is that you are being used of the enemy(satan) deliberately or indeliberately.This his era of economic meltdown also mark the era of economic meltdown is also the era of prosperity for Gods people.The only way satan can achieve his purpose in Gods children is to attack the foundation of our giving to God ,either tithe or offering etc. in history people of God always surfive financial crisis with testimonies.

Some of the Men of God that youre attacking today had warned us about this time as far back as 2002. bishop Oyedepo/ pastor Chris oyakhilome, Apostle Genga, etc. Someone also told me TB Joshua prophesied it. They warned that after 7 years there would be financial crisis world wide just as in the bible days

Acts 11:28
And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.

[b]Genesis 41:54
And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread. [/b]

according to their prophecies the7 years ended 2008. We were not suprised at all and for your information the crisis will go on for the next 7 years! dont believe what wallstreet is teeling you. it is not a new thing but God always reveal things to come.

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Now for those of you always attacking pastors You can see what spirit is moving you. What a world are we going to have without men of God.

All the era of crisis in our modern days , tithers always survive with testimony. I have a book of several testimony in and out of economic depression. I will just share few with you because of space.

, "Are you aware that many men who found some of today’s great companies were godly men who were faithful tithers? Let’s look at some of their inspiring stories.

QUAKER OATS COMPANY
Does the name Henry P Crowell sound familiar to you? How about the company he founded-Quaker Oats? While yet a young man, Crowell heard a sermon by Dwight L. Moody. He made a remarkable commitment to the Lord. He said ‘ I can’t be a preacher, but I can be a good businessman.’ He prayed ‘if you would let me make money, I will use it in your service.’ He bought a little run-down mill called Quaker Mill. Not only did he faithfully tithe but it is reported that he gave far beyond the tithe and funded the Lord’s work for over forty years.

COLGATE PALMOLIVE COMPANY
Who hasn’t heard of the Colgate Palmolive Company? Do you know that a tither found it? William Colgate left home when he was just a teenager. He felt that his father was too poor to keep him. With his only belongings tied in a bundle, he met an old canal boat captain. He confided to the captain that he was leaving home to lessen the financial burden on his parents. He explained to the old man that the only trade he knew was soap and candle making. The old captain knelt and prayed for the lad and then looked him in the eyes and said, someone will soon be the leading soap maker in New York. It can be you. Be a good man, give your heart to Christ, pay the Lord all that belongs to Him, make an honest soap, give a full pound and I’m certain you’ll be a prosperous and rich man. Those words apparently made a strong impression on him.
He tithed from the first dollar he made as an employee. Soon he was made partner of the company he worked for and ultimately became the owner of the business. He, like Henry Crowell gave far beyond the tithe. It is reported that his giving grew from 20% to 30% to 40% to 50% and finally he was giving all his income. He gave millions to the Lord’s work. Think about that.

JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER Sr
Some of today’s well known wealthy families initially gave their wealth when the patriarchs of the family committed to tithing. Take the Rockefellers as an example. Listen to John D Rockefeller Sr’s own words.
Yes, I tithe, and I would like to tell you how it all came about. I had to begin work as a small boy to help support my mother. My first wages amounted to $1.50 per week. The first week after I went to work, I took the $1.50 home to my mother and she held the money in her lap and explained to me that she would be happy if I would give a tenth of it to the Lord. I did, and from that week until this day I have tithed on every dollar God has entrusted to me. And I want to say, if I had not tithed on the first dollar I made, I would not have tithed on the first million dollars I made. Today’s the heirs of many of this great industrialist may have wondered far from the principles that created such enormous wealth and influence. Many of their companies are now publicly held and the stock holders don’t have a clue that they are still reaping the harvest of the righteous acts of their founders. To sustain such success and blessing, there need to be a rediscovering of the principle of putting God first and building a business as a way of seeking the kingdom of God.

R.G leTourneau  (INVENTOR OF CATERPILLER MACHINES)
My father was actually impressed by R.G leTourneau. R.G leTourneau was the creator and manufacturer of giant earth moving machinery. As my dad will receive the offerings at the church he pastured, he was fond of referring to R.G leTourneau as a man who could not out give God. Before the end of his illustrious career, this manufacturer will reverse the percentages and give God 90% and retain 10% for himself.
I remember that my parents receive regular publications from the charitable foundation R.G leTourneau started and funded with 90% of the stock of his corporation. Each month the publication will show pictures of the monster machines, some weighing as much as 200,000 pounds and each newsletter incorporated tithing because R.G leTourneau contributed his great success to it. Before his death in 1969, he had contributed millions and millions of dollars to the work of God worldwide.

OTHER NOTABLE TITHERS
We could go on and on and list names like J.L. Kraft Cheese Company, Wallace Johnson, the founder of holiday inns, or the founder of welchs grape juice. Each of these Godly businessmen was committed to tithing and I firmly believe that was the key to their outstanding success and legacy.
When the issue of tithing as applied to the small business is raised, many opinions abound. Often the small business operator is left in a dilemma. Should he or she tithe on gross revenues, net profit, salary taken or taxable gain?

Kenneth hagin once shared a testimony of the depression how a christian farmer went to his pastor because his coton farm refuse to bud even though it was ripe , they needed to harvest it before the rain that was coming.If it rains .the whole farm would be destroyed . it was like that allover the town but the pastor asked him " do you pay your tithe ? the man said yes, The pastor asked him for the tithe card, those days they use cards in churches and the pastor signs in when they pay. So the pastor went with him into the middle of the cotton farm he raised the tithe card up and said "lord you promise to rebuke the devourer, this card is the evidence that this man is a tither.the pastor was not done speaking when they began to hear cracking noise all over the farm! the whole farm turned white! . the cooton budded. other farms were destroyed by the rain.

Men of God are people to listen to in times like this. remember elijah and the widow (1king 17) .Pharaoh was wise to listen to joseph. whatever spirit that is moving you guys makes you attack every know pastor and discredit them. but we are wiser than that. if you guys are wise you had better join the band wagon of givers. so that you can survive this crisis. It will last for seven years. We were told 7 years ago ask anybody. i dont mean from your blind clique but those who attend living churches . they will tell you about the prophecy.

FEW YEARS FROM NOW SHALL PROVE WHO IS RIGHT

@joagbaje
"wao! your writeups are always insightful"

Giving expands your spirituality, especially when you give in the spirit of love, joy and cheerfulness from an unselfish heart.

mabell:

@joagbaje
"wao! your writeups are always insightful"

LoL !
His write ups are a desperate attempt to stay afloat amidst overwhelming evidences against his claims.

@Joagbaje,

There is no point arguing with religious people. You can now understand what Jesus Christ went through with the Far-to-sees and Sad-u-sees who could not see the light of the glorious gospel, nor the proper interpretation that the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ brought.

Even if it was part of the law it doesn't make a difference. Worship only one God was part of the law but did worship go away with the law? NO! Because this is beyond law . It's a fundamental principle.

Tony-t and Joagbaje

You both need to go for deliverance from the spirit of deceit!

Joagbaje:

@ KunleOshob, pastor AIO and their clique
What some of you guys dont realise is that you are being used of the enemy(satan) deliberately or indeliberately.This his era of economic meltdown also mark the era of economic meltdown is also the era of prosperity for Gods people.The only way satan can achieve his purpose in Gods children is to attack the foundation of our giving to God ,either tithe or offering etc. in history people of God always surfive financial crisis with testimonies.

Some of the Men of God that youre attacking today had warned us about this time as far back as 2002. bishop Oyedepo/ pastor Chris oyakhilome, Apostle Genga, etc. Someone also told me TB Joshua [/b]prophesied it. They warned that after 7 years there would be financial crisis world wide just as in the bible days

according to their prophecies the7 years ended 2008. We were not suprised at all and for your information the crisis will go on for the next 7 years! dont believe what wallstreet is teeling you. it is not a new thing but God always reveal things to come.

Lies, and the lying liars who tell them!

2Pe 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, [b]even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

You have been warned.

Some people are definitely brain dead on this forum, no point arguing with them.

KunleOshob:

Some people are definitely brain dead on this forum, no point arguing with them.

Like usual, as if he has said anything regarding the question at hand

Tonye-t:

When one say the Law of God, it simply means a written document/ rule that covers all the guidelines, precepts, ordinances, commandments and instructions as given by God. Adam do not eat from this tree, for the day you do you'll die is a Instruction from God thus a LAW from GOD.

Tongue-Twister, ah, ah. You managed to both lie and contradict yourself in the space of one short sentence.

1. The law of God is written in hearts
2. Which written law did God give Adam?
3. Was the Law of Moses not given by God to the Israelites? Or did Moses act as lawgiver?

Tithe-Trumper, abeg now. All this your convoluted reasoning and implausible unscriptural assertions dey give person headache. Surely you occupy the space where religionist and bureaucrat merge in perfect synthesis. Bro' Donnie of CE has been usurped!

Re-interprete, re-word, re-assign, or re-ascribe all you like. Speak Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and assorted languages of antiquity, you will not prevail. Gods truth on Christ Jesus will keep His people free. 1 Corinthians 7:23 - You are bought with a price; be not you the servants of men.

Take their time by making them attend endless "church" functions and attend to "church" business. Fraudulently take their money with bogus applications of tithing and offering scriptures. Take thier allegiance by making them become "members" and submitting to the MOG, Gods people will be freed from the likes of you.

You've been outed already. Ioften thought you were at least sincere - if misguided - but your sly attempt to buttress your position by wilfully mis-applying Greek/Aramaic leaves you unclothed - and I hope ashamed. You are not the first to attempt that and for almost the same cause if I recall.

God bless & keep His own
TV

He asked simple questions that you all avoided

Joagbaje:

He asked simple questions that you all avoided

Baby tonye-tithe, put a sock in it while the elders discuss

Tonye-t:

hmmm KunleOshob, is that so, so what happened to the tithing Abraham gave, was it part of the law. you really seem too desperate and thus confused with your misinterpretations.

I'll leave this for others here to judge accordingly

Matt.23:23 - "[color=#006600]woe to you pharisees and teachers of the law, for you give tenth of your spices according to the law"[/color]

Pls i beckon of fellow NLs to judge this grammar without biases, did Jesus call Tithe law here. because in my own little understanding, it means He was rebuking them of religiously giving their TITHE simply according to the provisions of the law, that still doesnt mean TITHING was a LAW. NA WA OH. kunleOshob you really need help .

The law was a written document that simply provided how the ancient custom was to be practised by the nation of Israel. Because the mode of tithing in Abraham's time was different from that of the nation of Israel.

Abraham gave a tenth of ALL, the nation of Israel gave a tenth of their land produce. Meaning if we were to follow the original tithing then we should give tithe of EVERYTHING, but if we were to follow the Israelites mode, then we were to only give Farm produce.

Kunle, Jesus said "they gave TITHE according to the LAW, he did not say "they gave TITHE which was a LAW"

You are too desperate and its so glaring!

Pls lets not handle this topic as if we want to win any warfare lest we might lose out from the essence of learning.

With all tonye-tithe's Greek, Aramaic, Yiddish, Hebrew language skills, he still can't find that JESUS FULFILLED the LAW

ful·fill also ful·fil (fl-fl)
tr.v. ful·filled, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils
1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
2. To carry out (an order, for example).
3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform, satisfy.
4. To bring to an end; complete.

I asked this question in another tithe thread and non of them could provide a simple answer so I ask them again while Tonye is still in Greece: Is a German Christian (who has to pay an average of 9% of his income tax automatically deducted as tithe) still has to pay 10% to a "Church", MOG, Pastor?

No wonder this is the only kind of business that grows in Nigeria apart from politics these days.


God help us all and save each and every one of his Children from these PIMPS, Amen.

Tonye-t:

Zikkyy since you've resorted to accusing someone a thief simply because he fails to see it your way

You labeled yourself a thief, I was only requesting confirmation from you.

Tonye-t:

i think u r beginning to run out of ideas and as far as i am concerned you dont have any case here again,

I don’t need to come up with new ideas here Tonye-t, my position is based on what the bible has to say on tithing for Christians. You on the other hand, will have to be creative to justify this unholy scheme.  I think you should continue digging for more scrolls in your effort to justify an evil scheme. 

Tonye-t:

i'll apprecaite you stay out in the crowd and clap while goals are scored by the players.   [/color]

Ba wahala. It obvious (from my posts) that I no longer take you seriously. The problem I have is the clapping part, do want me to clap anytime you score an own goal? Cos that’s what you been doing so far 

Joagbaje:

He asked simple questions that you all avoided

Sycophant!
Are you trying to tell us that you are so dim in thinking not to see that every thing we've been saying all through this thread has answered Tonye's questions.
He just doesn't want to admit that we've answered him.

He knows we do not have the time and will not do any "dissertation" on tithes; that is why he keeps repeating himself.

Tonye-t:

1. I have called KunleOshob to come up and tell everyone here why he feels Tithing isnt relevant today. the last time i beckoned again, he claimed dump

2. I called Zikkyy to tell us too, he resorted to other vocations

3. I called ttalks and till date that dude scampered

4. Chukwudi44 is no where to be found

5. My sister Jesoul could not say anything either about the topic

Ask them they'll say [U] THEY BELIEVE IT ISNT RELEVANT ANYMORE[/U] ok prove it!? they form dump. what sort of folks are these i wonder. If you're bold enuff then dont do any copy and paste from the internet but comeup and give a tentative evidence and case as to your claim. simple!

Quite simply because the only injunction to Christians is to give as you are willing and able and with good cheer. Not by compulsion, not of necessity. And almost always to satisfy real physical need.  

Oya, spiritualise it. "Tithe is the basis of Gods convenant for prosperty" or "if you don't tithe, you'll be tight" or perhaps "you are robbing God".

Or claim it's based on Abraham, but enforce it using Moses. Say its freewill but charge it using the law - the same law he fulfilled and in any event does not engender righteousness. Claim curses if one does not comply - the very curse he died to free us from.

There are only two reasons to preach tithe as binding on Christians. 1. You are misguided 2. You are mischevious. Which one na?

God bless
TV