KunleOshob:

Mr olaadegbu, kindly note that what most of us christians who critisize the concept of tithing are actually critisizing is the manipulative way supposed men of God preach it to their congregation. If they told their congregation the truth that it is just a voluntary practise i don't think we would be having this various threads on tithes on this forum. Nobody as spoken against voluntery giving towards the propagation of the gospel be it 10% or 100%.

Good, at least Me and My Brother KunleOshob are now coming to terms. hmmm interesting!

Atleast He believes it is a Practise (though voluntarily according to him) and dat he isnt here to speak against the practise be it 10%. What a fair day!!

ttalks:

Tonye-t, do you seriously need a memory jog?


Consider this below:

In the old days:-

Principal says at the morning assembly - "Students, it has been observed that you come to the exam hall with your pens to write down your answers to the exam questions but you neglect the most important thing which is to prepare hard by studying for the exam.
That is why, despite the fact that you put down answers in your sheets, you end up failing woefully.
You ought to study hard and properly and also to come with your pens to the exam hall in order to write down correct answers and pass your exams."

In the new days(data age):-

Principal says in his email message to every student - "Students, we are now using computers for your examinations now.
The questions are in the systems and all you are required to do is prepare well for the exams, come to the exam hall without any pens or writing materials as all you would be required to do is click on the correct answers with the mouse of your computer."


Now relate the above to matthew 23:23 Mr. Tonye.

Keynotes/Keywords:
Old days - old covenant/old testament
New days/data age - new covenant/new testament
Pen(s) - Tithe(s)
Studying/preparing - Justice,mercy and faith.


That's all I have for you. try to decipher what i'm driving at

bu-ah-ah-ah, Boy is dat what ou could make of that passage, stop your philosophical gimmicks and dry contrasting . tell us in simple terms with biblical passages what you can make of the passage

Matt.23:23 - And Jesus said unto them practise mercy, practise Justice, practise Faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise Tithing (American paraphrased version)

Tonye-t:


B-u-t-ful!!!! Just what i was lurking to hear, so Mr.Ogajim pls tell us which LAW was still in effect, and what DEBT did Jesus PAID in FULL on the CROSS. I m very keen on the LAW.!


Pls i kindly await your response.

ogajim:

Can Tonye-tithe find an ancient scroll in Greece that answers this? we hope he is not one of those modern day Pharisee since Jesus was addressing the old "guard", na wa for these prosperity PIMPS and their students oooooooo!

Like i dont need any ancient scroll to answer this simple notion, i believe [U] ALL SCRIPTURES BE IT MATT.23:23 OR WHEREVER WAS GIVEN BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD AND THEY ARE PROFITABLE FOR ONE'S WAY OF LIFE (DOCTRINE) [/U] do you want the passage of this scripture again. ah sef!

ogajim:

Someone mentioned in an earlier post that you guys only seem to pursue only the profitable aspects of the MOSAIC LAW but forgot the laws of Sabbath, burnt offerings, first born, etc. Tonye-tithe, are you still required to worship God in a Temple now? Jesus Christ died to pay our debt in Full, maybe yours as a "pastor" is not totally paid but MINE is

good i caught him red-handed, so Ogajim you mean to tell me that tithing was part of the Mosaic law like the laws of Sabbath and burnt offerings? hmmmmmm ok pls tell us where TITHING was mentioned as a LAW from Genesis to Revelation of the Holy Biblos  Ogajim you are the men , the main men , the very main man . i cut cap for ya ascertions. ^{*laffing in swahilli*}

Tithing – The Law debate

Law could be defined as a decree, principle or ruling guiding a thing/people/standard and most times are documented as a biblos for referencing. Whereas an ordinance is a rite/ritual/spiritual trail. Howbeit the usage of both is for orderliness and objectivity; a law can be put in place to show how a ritual is to be performed. If we go on saying that Law has been abolished how then we have “thou shall not murder”and others still relevant, as well as the Law of Grace, the Law of the spirit of Life, why can’t we go on to say they have all been abolished? After all they are all laws. It is in my opinion that the laws of Moses is what we should know as obsolete (which are the laws of ceareal offering, animal sacrifice, priestly consecration by animal blood) and not the laws of God, for the Laws of the latter are all without errors whilst that of the former was a man’s law which even the scriptures said “…was given because of the hardness of their hearts”- Ps.81:12. Tithe has never been a Law but rather an ordinance, for the Law of Moses only provided how this ordinance was to be administered to a particular nation (Israelites).
when you read the Old Testament, you will find out that God specifically gave LAWS and he made them understand it was a LAW, hence it goes clearly stated

- Ex.12:49 - " The LAW of the 1st born"
- Lev.6:14 - " The LAW of the cereal offering"
- Lev. 6:25- " The LAW of the sin offering"
- Lev.7:7 -   " The LAW of the sacrifice of peace offering"
- Lev.7:37-  " The LAW of the burnt offering"

Law of leprosy disease (Lev.14:57), law of fluid discharge (lev.15:32) and it goes on and on,

never was it mentioned anywhere of the LAW of TITHE/TITHEING as the case may be, rather the very first place you'll come across the word TITHE as regarding the Israelites exodus from Egypt was in Lev.27, reading from verse 1 it goes on like this

-1. And the Lord said,. . . vs. 30: it stated TITHE and on it goes. Even this passage began by telling them how they should give/ administer tithe and not a fresh teaching about tithing. Let me Quote it

Lev 27:30-32
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord. [1 Cor 9:11; Gal 6:6.] 
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add a fifth to it.   

32 And the entire tithe of the herd or of the flock, whatever passes under the herdsman's staff [by means of which each tenth animal as it passes through a small door is selected and marked], the tenth shall be holy to the Lord (AMP)

Secondly if we can go through the Hebrew translations, one will discover that the tithe the nation of Israel practiced as at this time had the original tithe put (ma’aser) as a prefix or suffix. Meaning the tithe in Moses’ time followed the order of the original ancient tithe hence I call it an administrative tithing and not the origin of tithing per se.

Tonye-t:

Matt.23:23 - And Jesus said unto them practise mercy, practise Justice, practise Faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise Tithing (American paraphrased version)[/font]

Tonye-t:

Hey Ogajim dont run be a man and answer this question [U]IS TITHE A MOSAIC LAW[/U]  na wa o, u are caught here you'll run there, you are caught there you'll run here, na wa 4 u o, abi you be earth worm

Brace up little soldier and answer this question so you dont let you men Kunleoshobobo and talkativetalker down

Tonye-t:

[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]Hey Ogajim dont run be a man and answer this question [U]IS TITHE A MOSAIC LAW[/U] [color=#000099]

Enigma:

The reasoning of those who say "tithing" is not based on the Law of Moses but that it predates it is often either illogical, plain daft, fraudulent or all three.

KunleOshob:

Mr olaadegbu, kindly note that what most of us christians who critisize the concept of tithing are actually critisizing is the manipulative way supposed men of God preach it to their congregation. If they told their congregation the truth that it is just a voluntary practise i don't think we would be having this various threads on tithes on this forum. Nobody as spoken against voluntery giving towards the propagation of the gospel be it 10% or 100%.

KunleOshob:

Apparently they are just hypocritical criminals just out to make a living out of the sweat of others under the pretext that they are spreading the gospel. The biblical weigth of evidence against the way tithes is preached and practised today is so heavy that NO right thinking bible believing christians should fall for the scam. However most christians don't read their bible they depend on the twisted interpretation of often over rated so called men of God.

OLAADEGBU:

Are you not contradicting yourself? Do you believe that tithing is biblical or unbiblical? If it is unbiblical why would you care if it is voluntary practise or not? And if it is biblical why do you throw the baby out with the soap water? If it is your intention to expose the charlatans that are taking advantage of the biblical practise of tithing then you will have to make that clarification. All your campaign on this tithes issue seems to me to be against the practise of tithing, biblically or unbiblically but if you have now changed your tact to conceed that tithing is biblical but the charlatans are wrong then make this clear, you cannot eat your cake and have it. Happy new year, even if this is belated.

OLAADEGBU:

Do you believe in the spreading of the gospel at all? If you do I will rather you spend your time and treasure to promote and propagate the good news to the perishing world as our Lord commanded. Tithing and offering may not be right for those who are perishing to pay or give because the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to Him. Tithing to a true and faithful steward of God is an obligation that has to be done as the Lord prospers us. 10% is just a guiding principle that helps us to prioritise our giving and if we truley love God we will not hesitate to serve Him with all of our heart, might and strength, 100% of our resources is not too much, have you heard of the giving of 101%?

OLAADEGBU:

Do you believe that tithing is biblical or unbiblical?

OLAADEGBU:

Tithing to a true and faithful steward of God is an obligation that has to be done as the Lord prospers us.

Joagbaje:

It is the gospel that will help the poor and THE POOR MUST GIVE TO GET OUT OF POVERTY!. 

Joagbaje:

THE POOR MUST GIVE TO GET OUT OF POVERTY!. 
 

Enigma:

This is a false doctrine used by many deceitful prosperity "gospel" fraudsters to perpetrate their fraud (419) of fleecing the flock --- enriching themselves at the expense of their congregations/followers.

Show one example (just one) from the Bible where Jesus Christ, Peter, Paul, James, John (or any other apostle) taught that a poor person should "give to get out of poverty".

EDIT

1. Why did the Apostle Paul ask for a collection to be taken for some poor Christians?

2. Why did he not just tell/teach the poor Christians to "give to get out of poverty"?

3. Perhaps the apostle Paul did not know the "magic formula" that these fraudulent prosperity preachers know?

nuella2:

@ posters all these critics on nairaland are on a mission to fight against what the church of Jesus christ believes, like tithe, miracles, pastors, hell, gift of the spirit,rapture, The organisation they are from they dont beliv such, so they came through nairaland to fight us. I was there so i know them even with thier words. How can someone without the holy spirit test spirits. A man that is lost will do anything to scatter the sheep of the shepherd. A wise man will listen to the holy ghost inside of him and not some confused critics forcing themseves on people. Even if they see red they will insist is yellow. I leave them for the judgement, see you in new earth.

Joagbaje:

We are not complaining.  . Ask yourself if everyone behave like you, will the gospel ever reach africa?.While some of you are still arguing over Ten percent to God others are giving all for the gospel. I don't give ten percent as tithe , I feel it's too small I give twenty or sometimes thirty percent. The inventor of Caterpiller machines attributed his success to his tithting. He started with 10% and later 20% before he died he was giving 90%! and only kept 10% for him self and this  10% was in billions! .These are men that were involved in sponsoring bibles all over the world. Let the the poor men be busy attacking the churches ,spend your whole day in business centres typing rubish . Campaingning for other poor people. There's no amount of money you give a poor man that will suffice. It is the gospel that will help the poor and THE POOR MUST GIVE TO GET OUT OF POVERTY!. Anybody busy doing something will not have time to criticise those who are busy.
 

dupsygal:

ogajim, what about it?

dupsygal:

wish i cld read thru ds thread, but i got the gist from page 1, God help us all, maybe we shld jst read our bibles and practice its simple words rather than trying to coin some of our own