bawomolo:

ha the same God that never changes.  oh wait.

It's funny how muslims don't worship God when Islam comes from the same religious tree as Judaism/Christianity and shares certain religious figures with these guys.

You got to love sectarianism.

You dont understand sectarianism, you're just using bogus words to confuse those as intellectually incapacitated as you.

- Islam does not come from the same religious tree as judaism/christianity, it simply stole a few stories from the bible and basically LIED about its affiliation to judaism.

bawomolo:

as if you don't do the same when it comes to your not so favorite religion.

what a dunce. When they get caught out with their lies and not so original "viewpoints", out come the false attempt at moral equivalence.

Toneyb i feel ya, david why not answer toneyb question. 'so God changed from sacrificing rat to human i.e jesus abi ? From a hostile to a tame God. God !

Abuzola:

Toneyb i feel ya, david why not answer toneyb question. 'so God changed from sacrificing rat to human i.e jesus abi ? From a hostile to a tame God. God !

what a troll. What do you feel?

At least we have a God who we can call Father, better than being a slave to one who had to steal from another's book to make his own.

Father ? Hahahaha. He impregnate your mama and you came into existance ko ? Can you see why it is fools that follow your religion

davidylan:

the "change" is already explained here -

Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Case closed.

So the same all knowing god suddenly realized that human and animal sacrifice was inefficient and decided to try something new . If animal and human sacrifice were not part of the deal why allow people to do it for centuaries before aborogating it?

The passage above are paul's personal opinion of the new god he was preaching about and trying to make people believe in. Jews mostly do not believe in what he was telling them because they know that he was talking about a different god than yahweh of the torah

davidylan:

what a dunce. When they get caught out with their lies and not so original "viewpoints", out come the false attempt at moral equivalence.

what lies? here you go with the insults. carry go mr shot gun 

davidylan:

You dont understand sectarianism, you're just using bogus words to confuse those as intellectually incapacitated as you.

- Islam does not come from the same religious tree as judaism/christianity, it simply stole a few stories from the bible and basically LIED about its affiliation to judaism.

i see all opposition view points are lies to you. not so surprising, orthodox jews have this same view of christianity.

bawomolo:

i see all opposition view points are lies to you.

not all, only those who have no basis for their claims. Just like yours for starters.

davidylan:

not all, only those who have no basis for their claims. Just like yours for starters.

I see, so Islam is not related to Christianity or Judaism. I thought they referenced to the same supreme being?

i was deceived all this while.

toneyb:

So the same all knowing god suddenly realized that human and animal sacrifice was inefficient and decided to try something new . If animal and human sacrifice were not part of the deal why allow people to do it for centuaries before aborogating it?

I'm not sure you even bothered to read what i posted . . . let me repeat it here because the relevant answer to this non-question is there . . .

Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The animal sacrifices were part of the law and VALID! But it was limited to the jews alone, in order for us gentiles to come under the "law", it would have required us to either build our own temples or do yrly pilgrimmages to Jerusalem, consecrate our own levitical priesthood and offer bulls and goats every year. Christ came to abolish this law and institute with His own sacrifice once for all . . . the law of grace and mercy.

Again you commit the error of judging the bible by your own very limited opinions.

toneyb:

The passage above are paul's personal opinion of the new god he was preaching about and trying to make people believe in. Jews mostly do not believe in what he was telling them because they know that he was talking about a different god than yahweh of the torah

This claim here is YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION of what you think God should be. You cant fit Him in your narrow box so as to have an excuse to reject Him.

bawomolo:

I see, so Islam is not related to Christianity or Judaism. I thought they referenced to the same supreme being?

i was deceived all this while.

No they dont and never have. Perhaps you shld pay more attention to facts than just running around saying stuff you have a porous knowledge about. Many of you read internet stuff and then think you're on authority on atheism.

davidylan:

No they dont and never have. Perhaps you shld pay more attention to facts than just running around saying stuff you have a porous knowledge about. Many of you read internet stuff and then think you're on authority on atheism.

so who/what is Allah?

bawomolo:

so who/what is Allah?

Go to the islamic section, make a thread there and stop disturbing us.

davidylan:

Go to the islamic section, make a thread there and stop disturbing us.

who would pay for my security

bawomolo:

who would pay for my security

who cares? coward.

davidylan:

I'm not sure you even bothered to read what i posted . . . let me repeat it here because the relevant answer to this non-question is there . . .

Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The animal sacrifices were part of the law and VALID! But it was limited to the jews alone, in order for us gentiles to come under the "law", it would have required us to either build our own temples or do yrly pilgrimmages to Jerusalem, consecrate our own levitical priesthood and offer bulls and goats every year. Christ came to abolish this law and institute with His own sacrifice once for all . . . the law of grace and mercy.

This is the christian claim and it has no basis in Judaism. The founders of christianity were very much interested in converting new people to their religion(Unlike judaism) and wrote about things that will make the the practice of judaism obsolete. The founders of christianity used the Torah and changed most of its teachings to accomodate their new religion and world view nothing more.

[Again you commit the error of judging the bible by your own very limited opinions.

Not true.

This claim here is YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION of what you think God should be. You cant fit Him in your narrow box so as to have an excuse to reject Him.

The excuse you guys keep throwing around. No god has ever said anything to me personally all there is to show for the existence of god are the writings of other men who always claim to know what their god wants or needs from others. I can not reject what there is absolute no evidence for his existence. If you accept the writings(which are mostly their own personal opinion or the opinions of other people before them) of other men as the evidence for the eixtence of your god then good for you.

toneyb:

This is the christian claim and it has no basis in Judaism. The founders of christianity were very much interested in converting new people to their religion(Unlike judaism) and wrote about things that will make the the practice of judaism obsolete. The founders of christianity used the Torah and changed most of its teachings to accomodate their new religion and world view nothing more.

Again stupid, baseless and completely with no shred of evidence. Paul and co wrote extensively in Romans on the difference between jewish laws of sin and death and the laws of grace under Christ.

Paul also wrote very much in Hebrews (which surprisingly was written to Jews!) on how their laws under Judaism where simply a shadow of things to come under the law of grace. Their laws did not become obsolete . . . the laws that were only able to help them maintain an outward appearance of Holiness but no effect on the depraved heart of man . . . they simply became more spiritually relevant.

For instance:

- Laws on circumcision . . . involved an outward show of the circumcision of the foreskin of every male as a sign of consecration to the Lord. Now under grace, you wont be counted a sinner simply because your general hospital forgot to circumcise you when you were born . . . we are now circumcised by the circumcision made without hands . . . water baptism after repentance.

I dont remember the jews who read hebrews complaining as you do here.

toneyb:

The excuse you guys keep throwing around. No god has ever said anything to me personally all there is to show for the existence of god are the writings of other men who always claim to know what their god wants or needs from others. I can not reject what there is absolute no evidence for his existence. If you accept the writings(which are mostly their own personal opinion or the opinions of other people before them) of other men as the evidence for the eixtence of your god then good for you.

That's your own problem. It has nothing to do with the rest of us who have had personal relationships with God. too bad.

davidylan:

who cares? coward.

oh boy. you are something else

davidylan:

Again stupid, baseless and completely with no shred of evidence. Paul and co wrote extensively in Romans on the difference between jewish laws of sin and death and the laws of grace under Christ.

You have just confirmed what I was talking about, Paul who is one of the founding fathers of christianity was showing the jews the difference between the new god and religion he was talking about and their own religion concerning the laws of sin and death.

Paul also wrote very much in Hebrews (which surprisingly was written to Jews!) on how their laws under Judaism where simply a shadow of things to come under the law of grace. Their laws did not become obsolete . . . the laws that were only able to help them maintain an outward appearance of Holiness but no effect on the depraved heart of man . . . they simply became more spiritually relevant.

Same as above. Paul was preaching a new religion it is expected of him to show some diference between the religion that was already in existence with the new religion he was preaching about no?

For instance:

- Laws on circumcision . . . involved an outward show of the circumcision of the foreskin of every male as a sign of consecration to the Lord. Now under grace, you wont be counted a sinner simply because your general hospital forgot to circumcise you when you were born . . . we are now circumcised by the circumcision made without hands . . . water baptism after repentance.

Grace is a new concept invented by paul as a guy preaching a new religion so it is expected of him to talk about it and how it relates to the old religion that was already in existence. The jews do not believe in any of these things.

That's your own problem. It has nothing to do with the rest of us who have had personal relationships with God. too bad.

The same things you keep telling yourselves so that you will feel happy. Personal relationship is a two way thing no?

toneyb:

Grace is a new concept invented by paul as a guy preaching a new religion so it is expected of him to talk about it and how it relates to the old religion that was already in existence. The jews do not believe in any of these things.

your opinion . . . entirely baseless.

toneyb:

The same things you keep telling yourselves so that you will feel happy. Personal relationship is a two way thing no?

Are you playing your part? Why then do you expect God to play His?

@Poster, God does not, he is always calling them to repentance

bawomolo:

noetic - do you think jews worship God?

is there any reason to believe that they dont?

@ Abuzola

@noetic- you have been shown the truth refuting all what you presume, but your arrogancy won't make you believe nor heed

Whats the truth? and who showed me?

toneyb:

You have just confirmed what I was talking about, Paul who is one of the founding fathers of christianity was showing the jews the difference between the new god and religion he was talking about and their own religion concerning the laws of sin and death.

Same as above. Paul was preaching a new religion it is expected of him to show some diference between the religion that was already in existence with the new religion he was preaching about no?


Grace is a new concept invented by paul as a guy preaching a new religion so it is expected of him to talk about it and how it relates to the old religion that was already in existence. The jews do not believe in any of these things.

The same things you keep telling yourselves so that you will feel happy. Personal relationship is a two way thing no?

It beats me how u try to make sense from ur world view. . . which is usually very very wrong.

how EXACTLY was Paul trying to create a new religion?

The disciples never practice what paul invented in his new religion.

@david, you make laugh, where did jesus said he was sent to all mankind instead of lost sheep of israel, you better stop your blurting without your bible back up.

Abuzola:

The disciples never practice what paul invented in his new religion.

@david, you make laugh, where did jesus said he was sent to all mankind instead of lost sheep of israel, you better stop your blurting without your bible back up.

This guy is a harmless clown.

Mo gbona felifeli ! My questions are shakeable, up till now i have not seen any single person whether a muslim or an atheist that can screw the christian with biblical fact they dare not to reject like me. Your oga mrs osisi have tried but abortive,

it is either you lie to answer my question without quoting from the bible or insult so as to divert the topic of discourse.

smile.

Abuzola:

Mo gbona felifeli  ! My questions are shakeable, up till now i have not seen any single person whether a muslim or an atheist that can screw the christian with biblical fact they dare not to reject like me. Your oga mrs osisi have tried but abortive,

it is either you lie to answer my question without quoting from the bible or insult so as to divert the topic of discourse.

smile.

why do u think most people ignore ur comments but respond to olabowale?

Ignore ? Hulahula, now i see you ignore me abi ? Lol.
Incase you are half blind pls take time and read my penultimate post above. If you talk sensible am gonna do the same and if you turn brutal then am gonna show am more osciliated than your ego. Many christians are pondering about their christianity thanks to me. Many crazy things in the bible

Abuzola:

Ignore ? Hulahula, now i see you ignore me abi ? Lol.
Incase you are half blind pls take time and read my penultimate post above. If you talk sensible am gonna do the same and if you turn brutal then am gonna show am more osciliated than your ego. Many christians are pondering about their christianity thanks to me. Many crazy things in the bible

why not answer my question? are u afraid?

Are you an albino ? Check my post again before blurting.

Abuzola:

Ignore ? Hulahula, now i see you ignore me abi ? Lol.
Incase you are half blind pls take time and read my penultimate post above. If you talk sensible am gonna do the same and if you turn brutal then am gonna show am more osciliated than your ego. Many christians are pondering about their christianity thanks to me. Many crazy things in the bible