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Re: Niger Delta by FirstNg1: 7:18am On Jun 09, 2016
RE: NIGER DELTA

The more important question is: WHAT HAS NIGERIA DONE WT ALL THE OIL MONEY IN THE PAST 50 YEARS OR SO, not what has the NIGER DELTA done wt all their allocation, etc?

Nigerians need to wake up to the reality that our free lunch is over!

The world will not stand by and watch while the Nigerian government kill off a people because they want to acquire their resources.

Nigerians never agreed on a Unitary system of government and it has not worked for the Nigerian people but only a handful.
Without true federalism and resource control,, there is no way forward for Nigeria to make any meaningful progress!

What exactly is the benefit of continuing with a system that is obviously inefficient, unjust and which has failed Nigerian people; but has caused conflict, ethinc mistrust, insurgency, retrogression, etc for more than 50 years - with the people of the Niger Delta it's greatest economic and environmental, etc victim/!!!!

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by geraldmezi(m): 7:38am On Jun 09, 2016
bugari com answer question frm ur manifesto
Re: Re: Niger Delta by blackpanda: 7:49am On Jun 09, 2016
You seem to be placing the blame on federal govt alone, but federalism is not the problem. Rather its greed, corruption and sheer madness. For example look at bayelsa, one of the smallest states and receives one of the highest allocation. But what do we have? Seriaki Dickson is owing workers more than 12months salary. No infrastructure, zero development, zero investments. Will u still blame federal govt?

The truth is that states can not cope with true federalism. Apart from lagos, no other state can exist without allocation. They dont have the capacity or will to create opportunity for themselves except fg intervenes

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by attackgat: 8:12am On Jun 09, 2016
blackpanda:
You seem to be placing the blame on federal govt alone, but federalism is not the problem. Rather its greed, corruption and sheer madness. For example look at bayelsa, one of the smallest states and receives one of the highest allocation. But what do we have? Seriaki Dickson is owing workers more than 12months salary. No infrastructure, zero development, zero investments. Will u still blame federal govt?

The truth is that states can not cope with true federalism. Apart from lagos, no other state can exist without allocation. They dont have the capacity or will to create opportunity for themselves except fg intervenes

You are echoing the sentiments of the OP without knowing it. Don't you know that with true federalism/regionalism/confederation, their will be no 'seriake Dickson' or even 'Bayelsa state' to owe money to? When the regions take form, premiers will be directly in control of their resources and as such, will be held directly accountable to people. Not this stupid unitary system where everyone is waiting for money from Abuja and is accountable to nobody

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by blackpanda: 8:21am On Jun 09, 2016
attackgat:


You are echoing the sentiments of the OP without knowing it. Don't you know that with true federalism/regionalism/confederation, their will be no 'seriake Dickson' or even 'Bayelsa state' to owe money to? When the regions take form, premiers will be directly in control of their resources and as such, will be held directly accountable to people. Not this stupid unitary system where everyone is waiting for money from Abuja and is accountable to nobody

I dont think u got my point. Federalism is good on paper, but impractical in reality (at least in the short run). Federalism is something we work towards not to wake up one morning and tell everybody there is no more allocation. Apart from the economic concerns, there is also the issue of security. Imagine if we were operating strict federalism now, NDA would have overpowered the state govt and taken over. Also remember that in federalism all the states are responsible for their own security. Now tell me, can delta state match the fire power of NDA? Federalism has extensive ramifications that we are not ready for

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by 989900: 8:22am On Jun 09, 2016
Quickies:

Bayelsa 2m population gets more money from the FG, than Lagos.

Akwa Ibom and Rivers state have done far better for themselves even with larger population and land mass than Bayelsa.

Akwa Ibom and Rivers state produces more than Bayelsa and Delta.

The people of Bayelsa and Delta are lazier than the rest of us.

The FG and all oil companies can do better for Delta and Bayelsa, than what they are currently doing.

Glorifying and rewarding militants would never be a lasting solution nor panacea for peace, progress, and development, either as part of the Nigerian state, or an independent sovereign state of Niger Delta!

The elders and leaders of both states have not shown any form exemplary leadership in anyway, rather, they've only been good in tactically impoverishing their own people to the enrichment of their own pockets i.e. Ibori's loot alone is almost equivalent to Anambra's budget of same year.

The same looting leaders impoverishing those communities, ironically, are the heroes of those communities -- I don't know how they do it!


My take: The FG should take the bulls by the horn, and make sure all funds meant for the development of the Niger Delta states, especially Bayelsa and Delta, does not pass through the same old thieving politicians (a brutally tough one). The old way of getting funds to the poor affected people of those communities are not working, a tougher and more direct approach of getting the funds to 'the people' is urgently needed.

Implementing part of the PIB that gives an additional 5%-10% ownership stake in all things oil, from oil wells to pipelines to those communities wouldn't be a bad idea -- it gives the people a sense of ownership, however, disbursing and getting the funds through fraud-tight programs/infrastructural development campaigns to the people would still be key though.

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by 989900: 8:26am On Jun 09, 2016
blackpanda:


I dont think u got my point. Federalism is good on paper, but impractical in reality (at least in the short run). Federalism is something we work towards not to wake up one morning and tell everybody there is no more allocation. Apart from the economic concerns, there is also the issue of security. Imagine if we were operating strict federalism now, NDA would have overpowered the state govt and taken over. Also remember that in federalism all the states are responsible for their own security. Now tell me, can delta state match the fire power of NDA? Federalism has extensive ramifications that we are not ready for

Well said.

I don't get how people think in this state of disarray, economic crunch, BHaram, NDA and co., corruption cases and all, we can have a sit down about restructuring.

You don't re-design the house when it is on fire, you take out the fire first.

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Re: Re: Niger Delta by Nobody: 8:58am On Jun 09, 2016
Bullshit!!! people know the truth but will never say it. The O.P is right. What the ND does with the allocations snt the problem here. The problem is that with or without the allocations, we are running an archaic and medieval system of government that has long neglected the region that has fed this entire country for decades.

Every state, governor, LGA chairman in Nigeria is corrupt so before you ask us what our governors have done, you should also ask what your leaders have done with all the free money they have gotten in past decades. The injustice that has been meted on Niger Deltans must end. And tho in don't support pipeline vandalism, I advocate for equity and justice. Imagine if the SW or North was feeding the entire country and it's region devastated. Y'all should leave sentiments aside and speak the truth.

Justice must be served to the people of the Niger Delta.
Re: Re: Niger Delta by 989900: 9:11am On Jun 09, 2016
Omudia:
Bullshit!!! people know the truth but will never say it. The O.P is right. What the ND does with the allocations snt the problem here. The problem is that with or without the allocations, we are running an archaic and medieval system of government that has long neglected the region that has fed this entire country for decades.

Every state, governor, LGA chairman in Nigeria is corrupt so before you ask us what our governors have done, [b]you should also ask what your leaders have done with all the free money they have gotten in past decades.
The injustice that has been meted on Niger Deltans must end. And tho in don't support pipeline vandalism, I advocate for equity and justice. Imagine if the SW or North was feeding the entire country and it's region devastated. Y'all should leave sentiments aside and speak the truth.

Justice must be served to the people of the Niger Delta. [/b]

You are right about corruption being a nationwide illness, but what is the attitude of the locals to corrupt politicians?

What would be justice for you?

At the emboldened, look at Akwa Ibom:

https://www.nairaland.com/1150784/pictures-developments-akwa-ibom-state

https://www.nairaland.com/2638737/beauty-akwa-ibom-photos
Re: Re: Niger Delta by attackgat: 9:47am On Jun 09, 2016
blackpanda:


I dont think u got my point. Federalism is good on paper, but impractical in reality (at least in the short run). Federalism is something we work towards not to wake up one morning and tell everybody there is no more allocation. Apart from the economic concerns, there is also the issue of security. Imagine if we were operating strict federalism now, NDA would have overpowered the state govt and taken over. Also remember that in federalism all the states are responsible for their own security. Now tell me, can delta state match the fire power of NDA? Federalism has extensive ramifications that we are not ready for

With federalism will come the dissolution of the states and the creation or regions. In the context of Nigeria, the states cannot be the federating units
Re: Re: Niger Delta by blackpanda: 10:19am On Jun 09, 2016
attackgat:


With federalism will come the dissolution of the states and the creation or regions. In the context of Nigeria, the states cannot be the federating units

You shld probably read up the meaning of federalism...it has nothing to do with regions or how the country is divided. Rather how it is run. Nigeria has come a long way from regional government. It will be almost impossible to go back!
Re: Re: Niger Delta by attackgat: 12:53pm On Jun 09, 2016
blackpanda:


You shld probably read up the meaning of federalism...it has nothing to do with regions or how the country is divided. Rather how it is run. Nigeria has come a long way from regional government. It will be almost impossible to go back!

You are right that federalism is not necessarily about regions. America has federalism but has no regions. However, Nigeria is not America. While America is a nation of immigrants, Nigeria is a nation of ethnic nationalities with different norms and customs. The states cannot be the federating unit because they only encourage 'divide and rule'. We must revert back to the regional form of Government. We Igbos will agree to be divided into 'states'. The southern minorities can have their own region(s) if that what the want. The federating units must be amongs the ethnic nationalities who share common norms and value system and not states created by military men.
Re: Re: Niger Delta by blackpanda: 1:17pm On Jun 09, 2016
attackgat:


You are right that federalism is not necessarily about regions. America has federalism but has no regions. However, Nigeria is not America. While America is a nation of immigrants, Nigeria is a nation of ethnic nationalities with different norms and customs. The states cannot be the federating unit because they only encourage 'divide and rule'. We must revert back to the regional form of Government. We Igbos will agree to be divided into 'states'. The southern minorities can have their own region(s) if that what the want. The federating units must be amongs the ethnic nationalities who share common norms and value system and not states created by military men.

Thats both impractical and unnecessary. That is why I always warn against all this massob, ipob etc. Its very easy to disintergrate but virtually impossible to come together. There is no way an anambra man will agree for an ebonyi man to be premier of ur so called "region". Just as u cant merge back edo and delta states, nobody will ever agree. But more importantly, I dont see any advantage to regionalism over what we have now. No benefit whatsoever
Re: Re: Niger Delta by Nobody: 5:00pm On Jun 09, 2016
per the bolded, Good question..

why do other states get to control and take full responsibility of the solid materials and resources in their various states but the Niger Delta can't? it isn't injustice yh?
Justice would be true federalism. This cannot be over emphasized. If this isn't done, the government should expect more sabotage and vandalisms.

Apart from the fact that this is glaringly the only way forward, I'm also advocating for true federalism because of the parasitic north. They populate and fill every nook and cranny with almajiri beggars, sick and disabled people. They add little or nothing to our treasury, are against western civilisation and know nothing except their Qur'an. The Niger Delta cannot continue to feed people whose only goal in life is to overppopulate Nigeria.
989900:


You are right about corruption being a nationwide illness, but what is the attitude of the locals to corrupt politicians?

What would be justice for you?

At the emboldened, look at Akwa Ibom:

https://www.nairaland.com/1150784/pictures-developments-akwa-ibom-state

https://www.nairaland.com/2638737/beauty-akwa-ibom-photos
Re: Re: Niger Delta by 989900: 5:51pm On Jun 09, 2016
Omudia:
per the bolded, Good question..

why do other states get to control and take full responsibility of the solid materials and resources in their various states but the Niger Delta can't? it isn't injustice yh?
Justice would be true federalism. This cannot be over emphasized. If this isn't done, the government should expect more sabotage and vandalisms.

Apart from the fact that this is glaringly the only way forward, I'm also advocating for true federalism because of the parasitic north. They populate and fill every nook and cranny with almajiri beggars, sick and disabled people. They add little or nothing to our treasury, are against western civilisation and know nothing except their Qur'an. The Niger Delta cannot continue to feed people whose only goal in life is to overppopulate Nigeria.

True federalism as it is, is inevitable, but 'timing' is everything.

Doing the right thing at the wrong time can be disastrous.

Let's 'assume' for example Delta state turns to be better than Dubai in the next 10 years (hypothetically), expect all those you described as 'almajiris/parasites' to be your perpetual neighbors, in-laws, and friends . . . the influx 'no go be here' . . . akin to bringing Dubai next door without visa or work restrictions, actually with second class citizen passports to all Nigerians.

Same reason, when people get rich, they move out of their slum neighborhood . . . you get the drift, unfortunately, in this case you can't geographically move a place.

And, still talking about the U.A.E., the other 4 emirates (Ajman, Sharjah, Fujairah, and Umm Al Q) are largely existing due to the benevolence of Abu Dhabi, actually even Dubai too, at least to some extent (you can say now Dubai is all that, but thanks to AD) . . . and the U.A.E practices a form of fully independent Federalism. You can imagine if AD isn't generous . . .



I don't know if you've seen 'The Godfather 3', the part Michael tried to go legit; disassociate himself, and settle other families . . . you remember what happened? Such is life.

My point is, timing is everything, more so now that the economy is in comatose. And those states that can't stand on their own, need to be able to, for the purported true federalism to be a peaceful one.

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